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**RIFLE VANITY** Long-Distance Shooting and Hunting
12/17/2011 | Moi

Posted on 12/17/2011 9:34:30 AM PST by rabidralph

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To: MileHi
That is the same bullet I use. In fact, the Nosler Partition is my favorite hunting bullet for all my rifles. I do use a Barnes 300 grain solid for dangerous game with the partitions as back ups in the 375 H&H, though.
101 posted on 12/17/2011 12:52:10 PM PST by Glennb51
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To: rabidralph

Try looking here. The guy has a good reputation.
http://macsgunworks.com/default.aspx


102 posted on 12/17/2011 12:54:00 PM PST by fudimo
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To: ottbmare
Dude, no, you misunderstand...
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...great fun if it goes the right way."

Now that, right there, is funny. You have just described every "emacs v.s. vi," "UNIX v.s. VMS," "PC v.s. Mac," and "Chevy v.s. Ford" argument I have ever seen.

I guess some truths are universal...
103 posted on 12/17/2011 12:55:08 PM PST by Peet (Cogito ergo dubito.)
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To: rabidralph

The .375 H&H—depending on the bullet used you can drop a small deer with little damage or kill dead an elephant before it hits the ground.

Not exactly a sniper weapon but maybe the best “all round” game rifle on any continent.


104 posted on 12/17/2011 12:55:22 PM PST by Happy Rain ("Having A Communist Joke In The White House Takes Graveyard Humor To New Heights.")
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

I agree on limiting range with ultralight rifle. I hunt in forested areas not subject to longer ranges. In target shooting the ultralight barrel heats up very fast after a few shots, but for my use its perfect on normally one shot kills.

Good points on long barrels, although noting that the Mil Sniper models seem to have somewhat long barrels, also undersatnding that a true sniper rifle will have the most precise machine work and bedding which should reduce the long barrel “play” you mentioned.


105 posted on 12/17/2011 12:56:53 PM PST by X-spurt
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To: Glennb51
In fact, the Nosler Partition is my favorite hunting bullet for all my rifles.

Agreed. I use the 140gr in a 6.5x55 and the 200gr in a .300 H&H.

106 posted on 12/17/2011 1:00:28 PM PST by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: rabidralph
Here's a fun little high value COTS rifle that I'd recommend if you decide on 308. It's very accurate and has very little recoil.

http://www.gunblast.com/Remington-700VTR.htm


107 posted on 12/17/2011 1:02:27 PM PST by Errant
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To: American in Israel

My friend has an M1A that he absolutely loves! This is him posing with it. They are beautiful rifles, no matter what the furniture. I would not turn my nose up at the M1A :-) Thanks for the animal-to-caliber comparison.

108 posted on 12/17/2011 1:03:25 PM PST by rabidralph
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To: Glennb51

For Brown Bear, I favor controlled expansion myself. I prefer the Barnes 350 Gr. RN/FB. (Soft core, 50 thousanths pure copper jacket.) They retain over 95% mass even in full body penetrations. What is more impressive though, is their ability to break bone structure on dangerous game.


109 posted on 12/17/2011 1:06:18 PM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: macquire
600 yards is the outside limit for trained USMC “Dedicated Marksman” with some of the best most expensive & excellent equipment.

Actually, 600 yards is when the snipers begin to utilize the ballistic advantage of long distance shooting. The 600 yard zero is standard.

Heck, my wife uses iron sights with her M1A1 and places holes in the X ring at 600 yards, my eyes being a tad weak, i've went to glass for same.

When we go to depredate the local coyotes, unless we use a call, we don't see them very close in the open fields, but we know where the marker stakes are.

I do agree closer is better for the larger animal if using .308.

But if the round used will deliver the energy and transfer it, and the shooter is capable, the distance is really not consequential. Well, other than you must then go fetch the game that far away and back again!

110 posted on 12/17/2011 1:10:26 PM PST by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: ottbmare
LOL..you *nailed* it! :)


111 posted on 12/17/2011 1:11:15 PM PST by Daffynition ( *Socialism, has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore it*)
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To: X-spurt
You are well versed brother. We used longer barrels for targets over 1000 meters because of the need to carry as much velocity as possible, to increase bullet performance at extreme ranges.

I did not mean to mislead anyone in comparing a sporter barrel to a military grade sniper rifle. Since most military barrels are chromed and use a completely different kind of stability medium. Sporter riflings are extremely damaging to bullet flight and there is no comparison.

You know your stuff for sure.

112 posted on 12/17/2011 1:15:44 PM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: going hot

[Actually, 600 yards is when the snipers begin to utilize the ballistic advantage of long distance shooting. The 600 yard zero is standard.]

You have that right! 600 is like Fish in a barrel, barndoor close for most trained Army Snipers. That is where we begin!


113 posted on 12/17/2011 1:20:13 PM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: ottbmare

Funny stuff. I’m still chucklin’.


114 posted on 12/17/2011 1:21:48 PM PST by Godebert
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To: seton89

Who or what is that?


115 posted on 12/17/2011 1:24:38 PM PST by rabidralph
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To: rabidralph
Russian countersniper who patiently stalked and shot a famous german sniper sent out to get him.

He got up before sunrise and into his hide, then waited all day until the sun was at his back, then scoped the glint off the other sniper's glass, and put a hole in it.

116 posted on 12/17/2011 1:35:27 PM PST by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: going hot

I think that story has been proven false tho the Russian sniper was real and really did kill a lot of Germans.


117 posted on 12/17/2011 1:40:13 PM PST by yarddog
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To: satan69

7.62x? Thanks for the recommendation. I’ve noticed that the various offerings are fairly inexpensive. Do you recommend one in particular?


118 posted on 12/17/2011 1:41:14 PM PST by rabidralph
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To: IMR 4350

Wow! I will keep that in mind.


119 posted on 12/17/2011 1:42:07 PM PST by rabidralph
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To: ottbmare

LOL! Well stated! This thread is well on its way!


120 posted on 12/17/2011 1:43:45 PM PST by rabidralph
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

Thank you for your service and I appreciate your advice.


121 posted on 12/17/2011 1:48:09 PM PST by rabidralph
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To: rabidralph

I have 2 of the old WWII Russian ones with no rubber butt.. Kicks like a mule.. I paid $140 for each of them... You can find them listed on the internet!


122 posted on 12/17/2011 1:48:25 PM PST by satan69 (garden)
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To: 2111USMC

Thanks. I shot a friend’s Nagant last month and absolutely loved it and I have put it on my list becasue it is so inexpensive to own and shoot. I wasn’t sure if it would be suitable to do what I want or not.


123 posted on 12/17/2011 1:50:56 PM PST by rabidralph
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

Well you didn’t read my original post clearly as I’ve said throughout this thread that I am not shooting at animals at 600 yards. I just enjoy target practicing at post-600.


124 posted on 12/17/2011 1:52:51 PM PST by rabidralph
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To: rabidralph
I have several 700’s. I love every one of them. Especially the 7mm Ackley. (280 Rem. ballistics identically) I have to score it on 5 individual targets, since it virtually shoots into the same hole at 100 meters. Deviation over 5 rounds loses less than ten to 15 one hundredths total, off DCZ.

And it cost me around 500 bucks to build it.

125 posted on 12/17/2011 1:58:58 PM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: ottbmare

LMAO!!


126 posted on 12/17/2011 1:59:05 PM PST by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: Lurker

Wow! Thank you for posting that. I’d never heard of him. What a legend he was!


127 posted on 12/17/2011 1:59:18 PM PST by rabidralph
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To: lgjhn23

Knowing the combo that works for you is the most important thing. I do appreciate all of the advice and info from everyone. Thanks for the recommendation.


128 posted on 12/17/2011 2:01:58 PM PST by rabidralph
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To: rabidralph

I would choose the Rock River .308, of the choices you posted. I have and had many accurate bolt guns, but love shooting semi-autos more. The RRA will deliver bolt gun accuracy and the .308 is more than adequate for North American deer/Elk out to 300 yards.

Some of these post are hilarious in their silliness...


129 posted on 12/17/2011 2:02:38 PM PST by Double Tap
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To: MarkL

Thanks. I’ll do some checking on that.


130 posted on 12/17/2011 2:03:08 PM PST by rabidralph
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To: 41Thunder

Lucky!


131 posted on 12/17/2011 2:04:57 PM PST by rabidralph
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To: IMR 4350

What were the specifics of the charges and what was he using?


132 posted on 12/17/2011 2:07:10 PM PST by Double Tap
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To: rabidralph

No, I read your original post. I gathered that. Read all of my posts to others on this thread. I point out how you can easily take those kind of shots. I have taken countless 600 plus shots at Caribou, Elk, Deer, Sheep, etc. The only exception to that would be Bear.

Many times, a client would take the leg off an animal from closer range, and I would have to stop it from getting away. I have taken shots at 1,000 before. A good range finder is worth it’s weight in Gold.

I always stalk to at least 200 though. It’s the only ethical thing to do.


133 posted on 12/17/2011 2:07:27 PM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: Happy Rain

Thank you. I will check that out.


134 posted on 12/17/2011 2:12:04 PM PST by rabidralph
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To: Errant

My Remington M700 .308 with the 5R MilSpec barrel groups like yours. Great rifle - mine likes the Sierra 168 HPBT match at around 2650 fps.


135 posted on 12/17/2011 2:12:20 PM PST by 2nd Bn, 11th Mar (The "p" in Democrat stands for patriotism.)
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To: Melinator

You should chunk your MOA calculator and get a new one.


136 posted on 12/17/2011 2:12:28 PM PST by Double Tap
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To: Double Tap

Obviously, you have very little “Bolt gun” experience.

If what you said were true, then the best shooters at Camp Perry would surely be using them. But last time I checked, about all you would get from a claim like that on the range at Camp Perry, would be uncontrollable laughing.


137 posted on 12/17/2011 2:13:13 PM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: going hot

I see. I love stories like that.


138 posted on 12/17/2011 2:15:33 PM PST by rabidralph
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To: Double Tap

Thanks. I’m enjoying some of these answers.


139 posted on 12/17/2011 2:17:41 PM PST by rabidralph
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To: 2nd Bn, 11th Mar
Is that “MilSpec” barrel, a chromed Helical type? Or is it straight rifled?

I have always had great results from a #5 in the .308. But for 7mm, it seems like a #6 works better. Something to do with harmonics.

140 posted on 12/17/2011 2:19:32 PM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: Errant

Thanks, I’ve been looking at the Remingtons at their website. They have so many to choose from as 700s.


141 posted on 12/17/2011 2:22:43 PM PST by rabidralph
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To: ottbmare

Your post gets funnier each time I read it! Thanks for the great laugh!


142 posted on 12/17/2011 2:24:54 PM PST by rabidralph
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To: Double Tap
I don't remember what he was using and as far a specific charges I wouldn't have the slightest idea what is was. He just said he was fined for using an undersized round and they had kept his gun.

He told me he had bought a new gun. I asked him what he got and IIRC it was a .338. I asked him why he got it, and that's what he told me.

143 posted on 12/17/2011 2:29:15 PM PST by IMR 4350
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

Never heard of Service Rifle, huh?

And once again, reading comprehension is really lacking here. Nowhere did Ralph say he was going to compete at Camp Perry, or anywhere else. I like that choice because it will outshoot most out of the box bolt guns and it is something different.

As to some of your other comments about light rifles and accuracy and range... Yeah, you probably haven’t read as much as you think.


144 posted on 12/17/2011 2:33:03 PM PST by Double Tap
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To: calex59
I use it in the 06 and it's also my powder of choice in the 7x57.
145 posted on 12/17/2011 2:39:16 PM PST by IMR 4350
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To: rabidralph
On thing to remember about buying a factory rifle. Today, you will pay a grand of better for a 700. And they are still very crude and mass produced.

Years ago, I started going to gun shows, used gun shops, etc, and bought good sound actions all by themselves, without paying for cosmetics. Or I would look for a rifle with a badly beat up stock and barrel, with a very good action. (Learn what to look for)

Then, buy the action at a rock bottom price, (under 150 dollars.) Take it to a good gun smith who charges reasonable prices, have them accurize the bolt, locking lugs, rebarrel it in a target grade model, and chamber it for what ever your heart desires. Then bed it in a super hot camo composite with matching pattern on the barrel.

There you have it, a custom tack-driver for under a grand. And it will be built to fit you. It's the only way I will go, and it cannot be beat by any mass manufacturer. Period.

146 posted on 12/17/2011 2:44:05 PM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: Double Tap

Oh no, I have the service record to prove what I know about Ballistics and shooting platforms. And you might take your own advice in regards to “reading comprehension”.


147 posted on 12/17/2011 2:48:20 PM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: rabidralph
Just to reiterate what others have said....

300 Win Mag is good for LR....or use 308 with 200+ grain bullet.

148 posted on 12/17/2011 2:49:10 PM PST by CAluvdubya
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To: CAluvdubya

Bookmark


149 posted on 12/17/2011 2:50:22 PM PST by Publius6961 (My world was lovely, until it was taken over by parasites.)
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To: rabidralph

What you need is the Glock “Bambi Maker” in .45 ACP magnum magnum, with dilithium crystal sights, and integral forward assist Arabic language translator.

I’d tell you to reload the brass to keep costs down, but if you ever obtained the security clearance high enough to learn how, you’d have to kill me for suspecting it can be done.


150 posted on 12/17/2011 2:50:44 PM PST by papertyger (What has islam ever accomplished that treacherous, opportunistic, brutality couldn't do on its own?)
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