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Enlistment Advice Needed For Son
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Posted on 12/26/2011 8:59:45 AM PST by PUGACHEV

I've been here ten years and this is my first post. I know many here have experience in the different services, but I have none. My son, who is 24, wants to enlist and make the military a career, but does not know which branch to enlist in. He has a high school diploma, no involvement with drugs, and no criminal record except, unfortunately, a DWI and several traffic related misdemeanors. He is intelligent, fit, athletic, and handsome. His interests are ice hockey, video games, and girls, in that order. He is a quiet person with a low arousal type personality who is very tough and self possesed. He is completely unflapable. He has good manners, no meanness in him, and makes friends easily. He has no particular work-related skills or aptitudes. His grandfather on his mother's side was in the British army from Dunkirk to the end of the war, so maybe there is some military talent lurking in his genes somewhere.

My son is looking to me for advice, and he will follow it. My questions are: (1) What branch would have him with the DWI on his record; (2) What branch would best suit his personality; and, if he had a choice, what speciality might be good for him. My first thought was the Navy, but I really don't know.


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1 posted on 12/26/2011 8:59:49 AM PST by PUGACHEV
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To: PUGACHEV

I’m told that a DWI is a mandatory “ particular work-related skill or aptitude” for the Navy! //extreme sarc (but a kernel of truth)


2 posted on 12/26/2011 9:03:17 AM PST by pingman (Durn tootin'; I like Glock shootin'!)
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To: PUGACHEV

go Navy, that way he won’t get shot.


3 posted on 12/26/2011 9:03:36 AM PST by brivette
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To: PUGACHEV

I am ex-Navy, but I think he might be happier in the Army ...


4 posted on 12/26/2011 9:07:07 AM PST by Ken522
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To: brivette

Navy/Air force if he wants to do technical stuff. Make sure that what ever deal he makes with the enlister he gets it in writing.


5 posted on 12/26/2011 9:07:09 AM PST by Mmogamer (I refudiate the lamestream media, leftists and their prevaricutions.)
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To: brivette

...except for the fact that I worked with a small boatload of Navy folks on a recent tour to Afghanistan...


6 posted on 12/26/2011 9:07:40 AM PST by castlebrew (Gun control means hitting where you're aiming!)
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To: PUGACHEV
All of the services are positive - they are simply different in terms of mission, history, and some service culture.

It depends on what he wants to do, and what service he wants to be a part of.

Have him go on the services website, explore what missions they perform, and talk to others already in the service about specific jobs he might want to make his career.

As far as the DWI goes, tell him to never lie about it, but be truthful.

I am not certain, but I think he can certainly overcome that.

7 posted on 12/26/2011 9:08:00 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: PUGACHEV
My first choice would also be the senior service as the most intellectually rigorous and scientifically oriented of the services. The fields of specialization is extremely broad including land, sea, air, under the sea, space, radio, radar etc. In other words, if he learns a skill in the Navy it is more likely to be something useful in the civilian world upon his discharge.

He's likely to stay warmer, dryer, cooler, and be better fed. The uniform doesn't hurt with the girls either.

Good luck!


8 posted on 12/26/2011 9:08:28 AM PST by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: PUGACHEV
His interests are ice hockey, video games, and girls, in that order.

Man, times have changed.

9 posted on 12/26/2011 9:08:55 AM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: PUGACHEV
He has no particular work-related skills or aptitudes

I don't believe that.

Send him to the US Sub Fleet, they will find his aptitudes.

He sounds as if he is pretty level headed, he may just need something to be proud of.

You may also see if the USN has CT ratings available. If so he could volunteer for sub service as a Direct support element.

Barring that, I would look to the Airforce or the Marines. Airforce is great for skills, Marines are great for building mental acumen.

That's my 2 cents

10 posted on 12/26/2011 9:09:16 AM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: PUGACHEV; Travis McGee

BTTT


11 posted on 12/26/2011 9:09:28 AM PST by EdReform (Oath Keepers - Guardians of the Republic - Honor your oath - Join us: www.oathkeepers.org)
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To: PUGACHEV
1) DWI is an easy work around. The recruiter will work with him on that.

2) He needs to follow his passion. For instance, if he has a love for airplanes. Then I would suggest Air Force or Navy.
Only HE can decide this.

Good luck!

12 posted on 12/26/2011 9:09:52 AM PST by Sprite518
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To: PUGACHEV

,,, looking at the same issue for a bored 16 yo two years from now...have him take as many free personality/career tests which give an idea of aptitudes and then look for a guaranteed training school in that area, even if he doesn’t love it, knowing a trade will allow him to pursue what he does love in free time. Also suggest the small book Strength Finder by Gallup which helps him hone in on strengths to be sharpened and will are help him to shine as a star in an area where he has skills and interests, I think it runs $20, and the testing is online with a key from the book. I would suggest looking at Air Force and Navy and getting the most technical training possible, then you are less likely to get RIF’d in the distant future of smaller military footprint...
Good luck,

ymmv


13 posted on 12/26/2011 9:10:38 AM PST by ElectionInspector (Molon Labe...)
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To: central_va
Man, times have changed.

They sure have. In the '60s, my interests were girls, roller hockey, and ham radio. In that order.

/johnny

14 posted on 12/26/2011 9:11:29 AM PST by JRandomFreeper (gone Galt)
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To: PUGACHEV

Marines - no, if he doesn’t already want to be a marine he probably wouldn’t have the motivation to make it through basic

Army - Maybe, does he like to play in the dirt? Some good technical training in the Army but also a lot of more generic army stuff.

Air Force - maybe, although the DWI will limit his choices. Good technical training but also a fair amount of playing in the dirt.

Navy - Maybe, does he like the water? Good technical training but will be away from home a lot.


15 posted on 12/26/2011 9:12:52 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: PUGACHEV
What does he ultimately want to do with his life, career-wise? If he can find training for his career in the military, my top two choices are USMC and the U.S. Navy. He needs to find out what he wants to do and go visit either of those recruiters and get that job classification guaranteed in writing from them.

I spent eight years in the Navy and got great job training, which I used to further my civilian career and I traveled all over the world. I enjoyed every place I was stationed, I still miss my shipmates and I sometimes wish I'd stayed for the full 20. Serving my country has been the greatest honor of my uneventful life.

16 posted on 12/26/2011 9:12:53 AM PST by rabidralph
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To: PUGACHEV

Tell him to investigate his likes and dislikes. (Land, sea, air, flying, airplanes, boats, etc.)

The military will give him a battery of tests to find out what field of expertise suits his aptitudes, abilities and personality. The tests, as far as I know, are pretty standard throughout the military. (ASFABS ?)

Any old boatswain’s mate will know all about that stuff.

(As far as prior DWI, unknown.)

(Good luck and Godspeed.)


17 posted on 12/26/2011 9:13:04 AM PST by ripley
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To: PUGACHEV

What I told my nephew, who wanted to go Army like his uncle(me), be hardcore and go Marines, but your candy-behind better go Air Force, with no offense meant to the Air Force Personal, it’s just was my conception on basic training several years ago.

And on second thought I now advise the younger folks, go get a 2 year college degree, and then if you still want to go in the service, go. Then, if and when you get out you’ll only need 2 more years of college for a 4 year degree.

Good luck gentlemen, and thank God there are brave men and women who do serve!


18 posted on 12/26/2011 9:13:11 AM PST by Son House (The Economic Boom Heard Around The World => TEA Party 2012)
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To: PUGACHEV
I was a Naval Officer and have observed many different enlisted ratings. The easiest are the technical ratings. They go in as E-3's, come out of school a senior E-4, never having been to sea. They get to E-5's real easy. Things may have changed but that is what I saw. Oh, did I tell you about the re-enlistment bonuses?

The only problem the politics are getting real bad. Add faggotry to the mix and I think I would pass the whole deal now. I couldn't work for a CO that was an out of the closet queer. I'd resign.

19 posted on 12/26/2011 9:14:00 AM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: ElectionInspector
knowing a trade will allow him to pursue what he does love in free time.

Darn Good Advice.

20 posted on 12/26/2011 9:14:24 AM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: PUGACHEV

This is a difficult situation regarding your son’s aspirations for a military career and In the past I would have said Go For It.But with the Present administration doing what it will to destroy this country militarily and economicly,I would have to say Don’t do it.

I’m tired of seeing our troops throwing their lives away for the piece of trash in the white house.Not to forget the trash in the house and Senate.

If you could I would convince your son to hold off making a decision untill well after the Presidential election in 2012 to see what direction the country is going.

Right now the country is going down the sewer and that’s putting it nicely.

If things do get better with better support for our military I’d say GO Air Force.


21 posted on 12/26/2011 9:14:56 AM PST by puppypusher (The World is going to the dogs.)
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To: Ken522

My only knock against the Army is that they have crappy duty stations or at least, places I did not want to visit while I was on active duty: korea, Germany.


22 posted on 12/26/2011 9:15:05 AM PST by rabidralph
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To: PUGACHEV

The military is more particular about a DUI then say 10 years ago. There are plenty of assessments that will categorize his interests. What ha he been doing since high school??


23 posted on 12/26/2011 9:15:15 AM PST by goseminoles
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To: PUGACHEV
My questions are: (1) What branch would have him with the DWI on his record; (2) What branch would best suit his personality; and, if he had a choice, what speciality might be good for him. My first thought was the Navy, but I really don't know.

I hate to break it to you but a DWI might be a deal-breaker for the Navy these days. Only a recruiter would know for sure. The Navy is currently "overmanned" and is kicking people out left and right. In fact, with the economy in tatters, all branches of the military are enjoying the unique opportunity to only pick from the top while easily meeting enlistment quotas.

I was able to enlist in the Navy with a DWI on my record but this was 2003. A much different time and a time when the military couldn't afford to be picky.

24 posted on 12/26/2011 9:16:31 AM PST by Drew68
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To: JRandomFreeper

My interests were girls, women and females. In that order.


25 posted on 12/26/2011 9:16:38 AM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: PUGACHEV

If he’s good at video games, or has the dedication to master those skills, he should consider training to be a UAV operator. I heard an Air Force general say that UAV’s are way cheaper than manned aircraft and provide way more actionable information. Financial pressures on the military will make UAVs a high growth area.


26 posted on 12/26/2011 9:16:48 AM PST by vajimbo
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To: PUGACHEV

The Army treated me right. If my girls go in....and they’ve both had some interest, I suggest the Air Force.

Your son....I think the army could benefit from his joining it.


27 posted on 12/26/2011 9:16:56 AM PST by Grunthor (Do you worship the State or do you worship the Lord? There is no middle ground.)
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To: nathanbedford
As a former zoomie, I would have to agree with you. Not that the other services aren't intellectually rigorous, but in the Navy, you can strike for a rating. In the AF, you are stuck with your AFSC for quite a while before crosstraining.

BTW, as a manager at a telecom manufacturing company, I once hired a clutch of young Marines that were all mustering out at the same time... 4 or 5 of them. I watched 2 of them hack through the firmware password of a Sparc 5 in about 7 minutes. Dummies don't do that.

They were some of the best employees I had.

You just had to be careful about expressing your desires, or the division director would be complaining to you about hi-jacked equipment and offices. ;) But they sure could get things done.

/johnny

28 posted on 12/26/2011 9:18:19 AM PST by JRandomFreeper (gone Galt)
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To: PUGACHEV

Having spent 24 years in the Navy 1960/1984, I hesitate to recommend the Navy as it has gone PC off the charts as have all the services. I have one grandson that is a combat medic sargent in the army and another that is a junior in the Coast Guard academy,they both seem to like what they have chosen the political correctness notwithstading.


29 posted on 12/26/2011 9:19:34 AM PST by anchorclankor (From the main part of Missouri)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Amen! Marines are damn sharp!


30 posted on 12/26/2011 9:20:26 AM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: JRandomFreeper
LOL!


31 posted on 12/26/2011 9:22:44 AM PST by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: PUGACHEV

Congratulations to your son on his decision.

(1) What branch would have him with the DWI on his record; A. It depends upon the service. All services are in a draw down right now. In that case they may be more choosy when it comes to recruits. Simply Ask the recruiter.

(2) What branch would best suit his personality; and, if he had a choice, what speciality might be good for him.

A. Not sure that each service may lend itself to a particular personality type, however certain MOS/AFSC to indeed have certain mindsets i.e., Infantrymen have a different culture from the Military Intelligence troops.

I think the most important question would be what can the individual service offer me? It helps if your son has a particular interest in a career field.

I believe that the Army can and does offer more opportunity over the long run by virtue of being the biggest service. I was in the Air Force and Army.

Whichever service your son chooses he will have made a great step for himself.


32 posted on 12/26/2011 9:23:22 AM PST by fightin kentuckian
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To: JRandomFreeper
They sure have. In the '60s, my interests were girls, roller hockey, and ham radio. In that order. /johnny

Ditto, since I was old enough to know they were different, my choice has always been girls first and whatever else after that(one of my interest being ham radio).

33 posted on 12/26/2011 9:24:22 AM PST by calex59
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To: PUGACHEV
One point he needs to be aware of...at age 24, his peers - as well as those constantly ordering him around - will all be 18 or 19.

Seriously, he really needs to think that aspect through.

34 posted on 12/26/2011 9:25:40 AM PST by ErnBatavia (Obama Voters: Jose Baez wants YOU for his next jury pool.......)
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To: JRandomFreeper

I was working on some Sigint/Elint systems for the Army and the Marines.

The army guys were intelligent, but seemed very limited in problem solving or ambition.

The Marine guys were immediately like, Can we run this thing on the move at 70 mph in the dark with night vision?

And I would be like.. Lets find out!


35 posted on 12/26/2011 9:26:06 AM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: ripley

ASVAB. There’s even study guides at the bookstore.


36 posted on 12/26/2011 9:26:06 AM PST by rabidralph
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To: PUGACHEV

What? Nobody’s recommending the Coast Guard?


37 posted on 12/26/2011 9:26:15 AM PST by outofsalt ("If History teaches us anything it's that history rarely teaches us anything")
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To: PUGACHEV

I sent you at length FReep mail. Check that out. Details on what they are doing to we retired foks now. It ain’t what your son is going to like hearing.


38 posted on 12/26/2011 9:27:07 AM PST by RetiredArmy (The End of Days draws near. In this time, you should be drawing closer to the Lord Jesus Christ.)
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To: brivette
go Navy, that way he won’t get shot.
Is that right? Ever hear of the USS Pueblo, USS Liberty, USS Cole ... ?
39 posted on 12/26/2011 9:27:52 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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Adapt and improvise...


40 posted on 12/26/2011 9:28:06 AM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: rabidralph

GERMANY! kkkkrapy!?? You gotta be kidding me. That place rocks. Good food, great beer, beautiful country with great big....mountains. Yea, that’s it, mountains.


41 posted on 12/26/2011 9:28:06 AM PST by fightin kentuckian
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To: PUGACHEV

It may be a good idea to discuss what he wants to do in the long term, for the rest of his life. Really think about that. Just give him a realistic assessment that what a recruiter promises may not be what he experiences in the branch he chooses. He may be told glorious stories about sitting in Nevada basically playing ‘video games’ by flying UAVs around the world but after basic, he is stuck as a cook depending on what ‘potential’ others see in him.


42 posted on 12/26/2011 9:29:25 AM PST by mnehring
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To: oh8eleven

Pueblo was my community.


43 posted on 12/26/2011 9:30:09 AM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife
And I would be like.. Lets find out!

LOL, if you ever want someone to come up with the biggest challenge for you to overcome, ask a Marine.

44 posted on 12/26/2011 9:31:30 AM PST by mnehring
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To: mnehring

My recruiter, and I still remember her name to this day, Lied her ass off to me in 1979 LoL


45 posted on 12/26/2011 9:31:30 AM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mnehring

I like the way they think!


46 posted on 12/26/2011 9:32:08 AM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: PUGACHEV
From your description, Navy is the service that best fits his personality. Big concerns are interests and aptitude.

He needs to personally and independently assess those two before he speaks with recruiters. Then their sessions can be realistic and productive.

I recommend that before enlisting he mentally commits himself to maximum effort for one enlistment. This effort should integrate being a superb seaman with professional development (school, qualifications, etc.). In this fashion at the end of his first enlistment he will be poised to make the decision for a Naval career or transition to civilian employment (taking full advantage of the GI Bill).

Final thoughts; historically the Navy has been the most stable of services for retaining its personnel, and with the world on the verge of major financial meltdown being in one of the services will be very important.

47 posted on 12/26/2011 9:33:41 AM PST by DakotaGator (Weep for the lost Republic! And keep your powder dry!!)
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To: PUGACHEV
"traffic related misdemeanors" ??

Misdemeanors?

48 posted on 12/26/2011 9:33:53 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Son House

When I was in Basic in 1974 Air Force P.T. Was No cake walk.We had to run a mile and a half on a concrete Running track in combat boots.

I’ll tell you,I thought that damn run would kill me and I was on my track and field team running the 1 and 2 mile runs.

Today the guys train in sneakers and sweats.They seem to have it much better then we did then.


49 posted on 12/26/2011 9:36:14 AM PST by puppypusher (The World is going to the dogs.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

I hope the USMC doesn’t go Galt. Least likely due to integrity, most likely due to ability.


50 posted on 12/26/2011 9:37:35 AM PST by King Moonracer (Bad lighting and cheap fabric, that's how you sell clothing.....)
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