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Vanity | 12/26/11 | pgkdan

Posted on 12/26/2011 9:31:41 AM PST by pgkdan

I need a little advice and would appreciate any input. My laptop recently died and I'm in the market for a replacement. My problem is that I can't decide if I want a tablet or another laptop. Tablets appeal to me because of their size and weight and great portability but I'm concerned about what the limitations might be versus a laptop.

Specifically, can I browse the internet easily with a tablet? Will I be able to view movies and video? What about using office apps like excel or power point. I probably wouldn't be using a Tablet to create documnets but I would definately use it to view them. I also need to be able to access my company network via Citrix.

If you think a tablet would do the trick any thoughts about Apple vs a Galaxy?

Any thoughts? Again...your input and advice would be greatly appreciated.


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1 posted on 12/26/2011 9:31:44 AM PST by pgkdan
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To: pgkdan
Title Fail!I'm not looking for any advuce but would appreciate any advice!
2 posted on 12/26/2011 9:32:51 AM PST by pgkdan ("Make what Americans buy, Buy what Americans make, and sell it to the world" Perry 2012)
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To: pgkdan
Title Fail!

I'm not looking for any advuce but would appreciate any advice!

3 posted on 12/26/2011 9:33:00 AM PST by pgkdan ("Make what Americans buy, Buy what Americans make, and sell it to the world" Perry 2012)
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To: pgkdan

Tablets are meant for browsing, watching video, listening to music, reading books. Essentially they’re media machines. But if you want do office functions and such, you’ll have to use a ‘phantom’ keyboard or buy a keyboard to attach to the tablet. IOW, they’re more entertainment driven than business driven. Make up your mind what your real needs are then buy accordingly. To me, you still can’t beat a laptop for a full function machine.


4 posted on 12/26/2011 9:35:37 AM PST by bcsco
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To: pgkdan

I don’t like the virtual keyboard on a tablet for starters - if I was given one maybe, but I would still prefer a laptop


5 posted on 12/26/2011 9:36:14 AM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: pgkdan
My large engineering company says Citrix doesn't play nice with IPad's. Don't know about Galaxy products from Samsung.

I also haven't been able to make a new iPad 2 get email from my company email system. Even though - with the EXACT same settings in my iPhone 4, I have no problem getting emails from the same server.

My IT folks at work do NOT have to offer any help/support for Apple products, either.

FWIW. . . .

6 posted on 12/26/2011 9:37:54 AM PST by willgolfforfood
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To: pgkdan

The ipad 3 is due out on Feb 24th. If you can wait 60 days, it will blow away any other so called competitor.

Now, realize that any pad is good for email and web. But few are good for any serious applications, except the iPad. That one can create docs, edit video, and even remotely control a full PC across the net.

The number one problem people have with any pad is getting used to typing words without a keyboard. There are accessories for the ipad which have keyboards built into the notebook style case too if you need that.

But, unless you are doing extensive processing, a pad will outdo any cheap netbook and be far faster too with instant on, no boot times.

Enjoy.


7 posted on 12/26/2011 9:38:18 AM PST by Waywardson (Carry on! Nothing equals the splendor!)
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To: pgkdan

Check out the Asus transformer. It’s an Android pad that you can get with a removable keyboard. It gives you a netbook and pad in one.


8 posted on 12/26/2011 9:39:01 AM PST by Stirner
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To: bcsco

Look on Ebay.

There are usually 27,000 laptops listed.

Don’t bid high.

If you get outbid, another identical one will be about a half later.


9 posted on 12/26/2011 9:39:35 AM PST by Dan(9698)
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To: pgkdan

Bite the bullet and go to the closest Apple Store and get a MacBook or MacBook Pro. You will never regret it. Period.

You’ll hear from all sorts of people now, that Mac is a cult etc. I was a PC only guy for many years and just got tired off all the Windows BS!

Get a Mac, they just work!!


10 posted on 12/26/2011 9:39:44 AM PST by GRRRRR (He'll NEVER be my President, FUBO! Treason is the Reason! Impeach the Kenyan)
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To: pgkdan
My only advice is to move your right hand slightly to the right and back over the home position on the keyboard. ;)

Seriously... my brother uses his tablet for business. He also uses it to take pictures of deer that he is stalking to send to me while he's in the field. For a non-tech guy, he's sorta fallen in love with the thing.

/johnny

11 posted on 12/26/2011 9:39:55 AM PST by JRandomFreeper (gone Galt)
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To: willgolfforfood

Citrix has worked on the ipad since 2010. Google it.


12 posted on 12/26/2011 9:40:19 AM PST by Waywardson (Carry on! Nothing equals the splendor!)
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To: Waywardson

Do you know if the the new iPad will support Flash?


13 posted on 12/26/2011 9:40:24 AM PST by pgkdan ("Make what Americans buy, Buy what Americans make, and sell it to the world" Perry 2012)
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To: pgkdan

I use this iPad for exactly those things.

I use it to VPN into my work network then use Anyconnect to go directly to my desktop machine in my office. As a result, I don’t have to worry about compatibility (Excel, Word etc) when I need to use docs such as those. It is as if I am sitting at my desk.

Videos on the iPad are a bit hit and miss. Some are still flash based and need an app to run but the industry is moving away from flash so that may not be a big issue going forward.

All in all, I am extremely pleased with the iPad. It does nearly everything I would like it to do with the exception of not having a USB port to move data around easily. That being said, that issue does just not come up that much.

Cheers,

Knewshound


14 posted on 12/26/2011 9:41:31 AM PST by knews_hound (Credo Quia Absurdium--take nothing seriously unless it is absurd. E. Clampus Vitus)
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To: pgkdan
If you do anything more than view content (emails, web pages, photos and videos), a tablet is probably not suitable as your only computer.

Tablets, in particular the iPad, are appliances. They only do the things that the manufacturer has decided to allow them to do. They may have some (very simplified) versions of the programs you are used to, but those versions are very limited.

If you used the keyboard on your old computer much at all, you probably wouldn't be happy with nothing more than a tablet. If you limited yourself to "point & click" type actions, then you might find a tablet good enough.

Hope this helps!

15 posted on 12/26/2011 9:43:14 AM PST by Johnny B.
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Never. Flash is an ancient not pad workable architecture. Flash requires “mouse over” code for most applications to work. Thus the only flash that is even able to run on any pad is flash video which no one uses. Youtube is all h264 codex now anyway or html 5. Flash is very vulnerable to viruses and exploits too, which is why Apple refuses to stay in the 90s and use it. What other possible use of flash is there anymore?


16 posted on 12/26/2011 9:43:50 AM PST by Waywardson (Carry on! Nothing equals the splendor!)
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To: pgkdan

Probably the only advantage to the tablet is greater portability.

Excel and Power Point are Microsoft products. You need the right OS to run them.

Tablets are relatively expensive and don’t come with keyboards or screens large enough for windowing.

Hope that’s more in the nature of advice than advuce. ;-)


17 posted on 12/26/2011 9:43:59 AM PST by decimon
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To: pgkdan

I went over to the dark side a few yrs. ago..Mac. :)Don’t regret the move one bit.
Now that is out of the way.

We own 2 iPads. Love them. Surf, pics, etc.
But, if you plan to do word processing get a laptop.

The virtual keyboard is too sensitive, the slightest touch activates whatever you’re over.
I have a case w/ a built in bluetooth keyboard and it’s an improvement but lack of numbers, no mouse makes it unfriendly for serious typing.
JMO.


18 posted on 12/26/2011 9:44:52 AM PST by Vinnie
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To: Johnny B.; All
Thanks everyone...just got a call and have to go out for a while but I appreciate all the advice and will check in when I get back.

Dan

19 posted on 12/26/2011 9:45:37 AM PST by pgkdan ("Make what Americans buy, Buy what Americans make, and sell it to the world" Perry 2012)
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>>>Do you know if the the new iPad will support Flash?

No need - Flash for mobile devices is dead. HTML5 replacing it.


20 posted on 12/26/2011 9:46:15 AM PST by Keith in Iowa (No Mit Sherlock. No Mit, not now, not ever. | FR Class of 1998 |)
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To: Dan(9698); pgkdan

I think you meant this for pgkdan. I have two pretty new laptops. Don’t need another...


21 posted on 12/26/2011 9:47:43 AM PST by bcsco
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To: pgkdan

With tablets, the major distinction will be going either Android or Apple. Apple is good if you like simplicity, however, it has a major drawback when it comes to the ability to view Flash content. (movies, animations, some websites, using some forms, etc). Apple right now has more apps but frankly, I don’t think you’ll have any problem finding a specific type of app either way you go.

Androids are more complicated, allow for more custom configurations, and will allow you to view more content types on the net, such as Flash content.

If you have a large iTunes music or movie library, it is easier to manage with an iPad. It isn’t impossible to convert them over to an Android tab though.

I’ve chosen a Droid tab (Xoom) myself and my wife has an iPad. I am about to get a Droid Xyboard for work.


22 posted on 12/26/2011 9:48:12 AM PST by mnehring
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To: decimon

>>>Excel and Power Point are Microsoft products. You need the right OS to run them.

iPad versions said to be coming soon.


23 posted on 12/26/2011 9:48:23 AM PST by Keith in Iowa (No Mit Sherlock. No Mit, not now, not ever. | FR Class of 1998 |)
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To: pgkdan

...oh, and FReeping is easy on either. This is probably the best site for any type of mobile device. A lot of other forums are a headache on tablets or smartphones.


24 posted on 12/26/2011 9:49:13 AM PST by mnehring
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To: GRRRRR; pgkdan
Get a Mac, they just work!!

I'll second that.!!

Just spent 2 evenings trying to get past the BSoD on my daughter's PC. Finally gave up and got her a new (used) box.

25 posted on 12/26/2011 9:50:25 AM PST by Vinnie
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To: pgkdan

...and office apps are easy on both (the apps just have different names). However, to make it easier, if you are just doing basic stuff, you may want to look at something like Google Docs.


26 posted on 12/26/2011 9:50:34 AM PST by mnehring
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To: Keith in Iowa
>>>Excel and Power Point are Microsoft products. You need the right OS to run them.

iPad versions said to be coming soon.

Good for people who need it but creating a spreadsheet with an iPad can't be fun.

27 posted on 12/26/2011 9:52:11 AM PST by decimon
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To: GRRRRR

Love my MacBook Air!


28 posted on 12/26/2011 9:52:43 AM PST by donozark (Ron Paul! You magnificent bastard! I read your book! (cook book that is))
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To: Keith in Iowa; pgkdan

HTML 5 is still a few years out from being widely accepted and there are very few development programs available right now. Adobe is working on a major update for Flash’s backbone, AS4 which will make it more friendly to mobile devices. I wouldn’t count Flash out. Adobe is too engrained to be left by the wayside. It is also going to take many years for Flash to be replaced, if it is, which means if you buy a tablet tomorrow, are you really wanting to wait three or more years to view and work with some sites?


29 posted on 12/26/2011 9:56:29 AM PST by mnehring
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To: pgkdan

Love my Xoom. 10.1 screen is plenty big. I do use my laptop at home for the most part, but anywhere else, my Xoom goes with me. I watch videos etc. Haven’t used any wp or other office apps. Maybe I will go load one now!
Apple folks will swear by their products. I just am not a fan and never considered an IPad. JMHO.


30 posted on 12/26/2011 9:58:48 AM PST by ozaukeemom (Is it 2012 yet?)
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To: mnehring

I can do everything I need to do on a tablet device on my iPad. Flash be damned - I don’t do anything on it that needs Flash. The “no Flash” issue is one manufactured by marketing hype, and kept alive by those bigoted against anything with an Apple name on it.


31 posted on 12/26/2011 10:00:14 AM PST by Keith in Iowa (No Mit Sherlock. No Mit, not now, not ever. | FR Class of 1998 |)
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To: Waywardson
The ipad 3 is due out on Feb 24th. If you can wait 60 days, it will blow away any other so called competitor.
According to some unnamed source on a rumor site.

Just a few months ago, all the rumor sites were talking about how wonderful the new iPhone 5 was going to be. Turned out that they were all wrong.

Since the original poster is looking for a replacement for his broken laptop, I doubt very much that he is interested in waiting 2 months (or maybe more if the rumor site is wrong) for a replacement unit.

32 posted on 12/26/2011 10:03:30 AM PST by Johnny B.
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To: pgkdan

http://techland.time.com/2011/12/26/how-the-ipad-2-became-my-favorite-computer/


33 posted on 12/26/2011 10:20:36 AM PST by Keith in Iowa (No Mit Sherlock. No Mit, not now, not ever. | FR Class of 1998 |)
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To: GRRRRR

I have a MacBook Pro and I love it, but I rarely use the CD/DVD drive. I used to make DVD’s of family events, but now I just put them up on YouTube.

When I’m ready for an upgrade, I will seriously consider the MacBook Air. But I might miss my 17” monitor screen.


34 posted on 12/26/2011 10:24:30 AM PST by randita (If you supported Palin, there's no way you can support Newt. They don't agree on much.)
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To: Swordmaker

ping


35 posted on 12/26/2011 10:25:06 AM PST by randita (If you supported Palin, there's no way you can support Newt. They don't agree on much.)
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To: Keith in Iowa

“>>>Excel and Power Point are Microsoft products. You need the right OS to run them.

iPad versions said to be coming soon.”

There are also Pages and Numbers for iOS which I believe let you work with MS formats, at a very reasonable price.


36 posted on 12/26/2011 10:34:47 AM PST by PreciousLiberty (Pray for America!)
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To: PreciousLiberty

Not to mention Open Office which is free.


37 posted on 12/26/2011 10:36:10 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: pgkdan
Get both!

Eee Pad Transformer


38 posted on 12/26/2011 10:45:25 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Some folks need an education...don't give up or we'll lose the Nation - Grand Funk Railroad)
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To: pgkdan

You’re looking for advuse??? this is hugh and series..


39 posted on 12/26/2011 10:47:46 AM PST by joe fonebone (Project Gunwalker, this will make watergate look like the warm up band......)
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To: pgkdan

Last I heard HP was offering a tablet for $99 if you purchased a laptop. Problem solved you get both.


40 posted on 12/26/2011 10:53:55 AM PST by notpoliticallycorewrecked (According to the MSM, I'm a fringe sitting, pajama wearing, Freeper)
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Sorry, correction, the tablet is $150 with the purchase of a laptop.


41 posted on 12/26/2011 10:55:26 AM PST by notpoliticallycorewrecked (According to the MSM, I'm a fringe sitting, pajama wearing, Freeper)
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To: notpoliticallycorewrecked

$99 and $150 are both available, amount of memory.


42 posted on 12/26/2011 10:58:36 AM PST by ThomasThomas ( If you can't laugh at your self, I will for you.)
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To: mnehring
HTML 5 is still a few years out from being widely accepted and there are very few development programs available right now.

If you are curious about how well your browser and computer support HTML5 video, you can go to Youtube's HTML5 trial page and opt in (or out). If you are in the trial, most or all of your Youtube videos will be served in HTML5 WebM/VP8/Vorbis format instead of Flash.

Over the past year or so, Youtube has been in the process of transcoding their H.264 videos to VP8/WebM format (Flash needs H.264; HTML5 uses VP8). It's a big job. Youtube gets about six years a day in uploads, but the load is uneven, so they use their servers for the conversion job during the lighter dayparts.

Taking Flash and Adobe out of the web ecosystem will be a worthwhile improvement. Simpler is always better.

43 posted on 12/26/2011 11:09:46 AM PST by cynwoody
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To: pgkdan

My advice?

Get both; a tablet and a laptop.

For the price of an iPad, you can get a good $200 tablet, and with the remaining $300-$600, you can get a pretty good laptop. Best of both worlds for the price of an overpriced iPad which is really a media consumption device with productivity as an afterthought. With a tablet you can have the media you want, and with your laptop, you can have it all in one neat single package. The tablet can be used when you want your media to be portable, and the laptop can be used for media consumption and for productivity, and you’ll still have the complete computer experience in your hands.

If your budget is for less than $500, then the iPad is out of the question, but you can still get a very portable and lightweight laptop computer that can do it all and much better than any tablet and without having to get any separate attachments, like you’d have to do with a tablet.


44 posted on 12/26/2011 11:17:44 AM PST by adorno (<)
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To: pgkdan

I’d buy a laptop myself , huge storage options , heck, a lot of options out there, tablets have sure mucked up the digital scene, but as long as you have a set of good ports, decent battery life.. for less than $1000 , help keep Microsoft alive. :-) wifey is the apple owner here, no ipad yet.. itouch ipod iphone itunes..

I went with a 10’ inch Thrive android tablet before our cruise... mainly used for photo moving/stowage via the usb ports and SD slot and light browsing.. some good deals are out there , a lot of new 7 inchers

Good luck !


45 posted on 12/26/2011 11:22:24 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. Obama: Epic Fail or Bust!!!)
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To: pgkdan

Need a rig? Buy a Lenovo. Wipe out DRIVE FIRST! DONT USE STORE PREINSTALLED OS! Very Bad!

Install Fresh copy of Win XP (It will be supported till Windows 9 will come out). Update it, get nice firewall and Malwarebytes paid version. You good!

DONT USE STORE PREISTALLED OS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


46 posted on 12/26/2011 11:39:32 AM PST by trotskylvalia (where nose meets the grindstone)
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To: pgkdan

I’ve been using an iPad for a little over a month, and have worked with a Galaxy around Christmas (getting it set up for someone). Bear in mind, I’m proficient in the Microsoft world and other environments, but new to the Apple and Android worlds.

The iPad is real handy for checking email, reading documents, even taking notes during a meeting. Instead of setting up my laptop at home, booting it up, and logging into email I pick up my iPad and am reading email in seconds. I answer emails using the on-screen keyboard ... that’s a bit slow if it’s a response of more than a few lines. A Bluetooth keyboard is available, and would make this much more usable.

I can log onto our mainframe at the office, but I wouldn’t even consider writing more than 1-2 lines of code with it.

Going through Citrix works fine. You just need to make sure the apps your wanting to run are available on your Citrix server.

You can view Word and Excel and PDF documents fine. Editing Excel files is problematic. I’ve picked up a couple of spreadsheet apps, but none of the ones I’ve gotten are useful for anything more than the most basic spreadsheets. Some FReeper will probably tell us both the name of a good app for spreadsheets.

I’ve not attempted to edit any Word documents.

The email app on the iPad is quite nice. In some ways it has advantages over Microsoft Outlook.

There is a plethora of applications on the Apple store, and they are easy to download. Might be a plethora and a half. A surprising number of them are free, and they are Apple certified to be safe.

If you want to print from an iPad, you’ll want a wireless printer. They are easy to configure for each other.

I’m a little concerned about how fragile the iPad appears to be. It’s a whole lot of exposed glass. You definitely want a protective cover for the thing.

I think Apple’s real value shines if you have multiple Apple devices that can access the Cloud. Things automagically sync between devices without effort on your part.

All in all, I think I can do about 80% of my tasks that don’t require programming or intense writing with the iPad and no external keyboard. For my line of work, I still need my laptop. But it is nice to have around.

Now, the Galaxy: I was able to navigate around on the Galaxy, and most of the advantages above seemed to apply. I did find it much more difficult to safely shop for applications. No matter what online store I’ve shopped at, almost everything I was interested in could not be certified. And syncing between devices was relatively simple for me, but is not going to be simple for my son. Remember I’m a certified computer geek.

Neither environment is great on documentation. I expected such in the Android world ... it’s a geek’s domain. But I really expected Apple’s documentation to be easy to follow. I worked on two Apple devices over the holidays and documentation may as well have been non-existent. For the iPad I found some videos, but it wasn’t clear what the user did to make it perform some of its magic. I eventually discovered most of what I was seeing, but that was a disappointing level of support.


47 posted on 12/26/2011 12:18:10 PM PST by gitmo (Hatred of those who think differently is the left's unifying principle.-Ralph Peters NY Post)
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To: pgkdan

You want another laptop. I have an ipad here and it is really just an incredibly cool toy. Laptop is a real computer for normal computer tasks.

And, as others have said... do consider Apple.


48 posted on 12/26/2011 12:52:42 PM PST by Rio
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To: pgkdan

Go to Toshiba Direct on the internet. They have some entry level laptops at very good prices ($329).

Then buy a ergonomic wireless keyboard/mouse (around $80) to avoid the ridiculously small keyboard and touchpad and you have desktop level performance with portability.

I take my keyboard and mouse with me when I go anywhere if I’m gonna be doing anything serious.


49 posted on 12/26/2011 1:22:09 PM PST by wildbill (You're just jealous because the Voices talk only to me.)
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To: pgkdan

Virtual keyboards are a turn off for me. You can get keyboard attachments for tablets, but if you’re gonna do that, just get a laptop instead. Keyboards aren’t an optional accessory on a laptop.


50 posted on 12/26/2011 1:32:41 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper (You have entered an invalid birthday)
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