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Missing ATVers found dead in Mojave Desert
CNN ^ | 12/22/11 | Tracy Sabo

Posted on 12/26/2011 11:15:57 AM PST by ColdOne

(CNN) -- The bodies of two ATV enthusiasts missing since Sunday in California's Mojave Desert were found Thursday after a massive search, authorities said.

Kern County, California, sheriff's Lt. Steve Hansen said the bodies of Daniel Preddy Carbonaro, 27, and Chris Wayne Rice, 29, were found and the search was ended. He had no additional details.

Carbonaro and Rice, both of Santa Barbara, California, had traveled to a remote corner of the desert with their girlfriends, hoping to test out Rice's new 2011 Polaris ATV, family members said. The area is popular with "off-roaders," campers and recreational enthusiasts.

"I am so sad to report it is official, Dan and Chris were found deceased," said the search's Facebook page, "Friends of the Chris Rice and Dan Carbonaro search." A memorial fund was set up on the site.

The two young men left a Randsburg, California, hotel about 2:30 a.m. Sunday, telling their girlfriends where they were headed and saying they'd be back within a few hours.

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1 posted on 12/26/2011 11:15:58 AM PST by ColdOne
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To: ColdOne

Very sad. Plunged hundreds of feet into a blind ravine in the dark.


2 posted on 12/26/2011 11:20:03 AM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture (Could be worst in 40 years))
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To: ColdOne
" ... traveled to a remote corner of the desert with their girlfriends, ... "

And that's the last of the gf's the article mentions.

Test for recent sexual activity, test to see if DNA matches the two dead guys.

Just sayin'

3 posted on 12/26/2011 11:20:58 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: ColdOne

The night swallows up headlights out there. Great for astronomy, but not for night riding.

I’ll never forget the first time I was going to ride my souped up rice rocket motorcycle down the 395/14 at night through there. For some stupid reason I had pictured myself being able to open it up because there’d be nothing for miles. But once I got going I realized that you can’t see anything out there at night... high-beam schmigh-beam. I crawled along at about 50 mph.


4 posted on 12/26/2011 11:28:24 AM PST by MarineBrat (Better dead than red!)
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To: knarf
The two young men left a Randsburg, California, hotel about 2:30 a.m. Sunday, telling their girlfriends where they were headed and saying they'd be back within a few hours.
5 posted on 12/26/2011 11:29:28 AM PST by WOBBLY BOB (Congress: Looting the future to bribe the present.)
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To: knarf

I don’t know what you think may have happened? Do you suspect that the two bodies aren’t the missing men but other guys?


6 posted on 12/26/2011 11:30:31 AM PST by momtothree
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To: WOBBLY BOB

That doesn’t sound like. “traveled to a remote corner of the desert with their girlfriends”, unless that’s a Hotel California” type.


7 posted on 12/26/2011 11:31:45 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: momtothree
No, the girls set the two up.

I've read nothing but the article cited in the post.

Was it a full moon?

Why are a couple of guys goin' to try out a new ATV at 230-3 AM ?

How loaded were they?

Meet a mule in the desert?

8 posted on 12/26/2011 11:38:36 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: momtothree
I don’t know what you think may have happened? Do you suspect that the two bodies aren’t the missing men but other guys?


9 posted on 12/26/2011 11:38:57 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

Now you just stop it, dfwgator!! LOL!


10 posted on 12/26/2011 11:40:07 AM PST by momtothree
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To: ColdOne

Many years ago, I used to hunt in that area. It was not a place where they should have been riding on a dark night. Full moon, clear sky - maybe.

Rest in peace.


11 posted on 12/26/2011 11:40:07 AM PST by EagleUSA
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To: knarf
Why are a couple of guys goin' to try out a new ATV at 230-3 AM ?

They just needed some alone time.

12 posted on 12/26/2011 11:41:56 AM PST by bigheadfred
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To: knarf

I am all for a good “Murder She Wrote” mystery but this sounds pretty clear cut. Two young guys on an ATV... driving in a desert in the middle of a night and plunge off a cliff. Now... if during the autopsy, the ME finds bullet wounds... my spider senses will start tingling.


13 posted on 12/26/2011 11:43:25 AM PST by momtothree
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To: EagleUSA
Many years ago, I used to hunt in that area. It was not a place where they should have been riding on a dark night. Full moon, clear sky - maybe.

I used to hunt and explore down there back in the late '60s and early '70s. I would never ride an ATV around there in the dark, lots of old open mine shafts around Randsburg.

14 posted on 12/26/2011 11:44:39 AM PST by Inyo-Mono (My greatest fear is that when I'm gone my wife will sell my guns for what I told her I paid for them)
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To: knarf

I try not to assume a conspiracy with something that can be chalked up to stupidity.

You don’t go screeming through the desert in the middle of the night.

Dark is different in the desert. I’ve hiked a lot in the early hours to avoid the heat. I’ve darn near walked off cliffs just walking in areas I didn’t know.

Chalk this up to darwin.


15 posted on 12/26/2011 11:45:23 AM PST by maine yankee (I got my Governor at 'Marden's')
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To: ColdOne
Three guys in the lake house next to ours decided to take a midnight ride in their speedboat and went under a dock cable at forty miles an hour.

They were beheaded.

I didn't think of turning it into some kind of conspiracy.

Maybe I missed something?

16 posted on 12/26/2011 11:46:43 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (FOREIGN AID: A transfer of money from poor people in rich countries to rich people in poor countries)
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To: MarineBrat
The night swallows up headlights out there. Great for astronomy, but not for night riding.

Same thing at Cape Hatteras, NC. Back in the days when you could drive off-road vehicles down to the point. (before the Audubon society and anti-development {expletives} made excuses to close the beaches - thanks to a lawsuit made possible by a $20M donation from Toyota, FUT) We used to lose a few vehicles into the surf every season. People would get rippin' along at night, headed south down the hard-pack sand, come over the rise at the point (where the beach turns sharply westward) and be irretrievably into the surf before the could hit the breaks. Out-driving their lights...

17 posted on 12/26/2011 11:47:43 AM PST by ThunderSleeps (Stop obama now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: knarf
No, the girls set the two up.

I don't understand. There's nothing in the article that suggests foul play. How did the girls set them up?

18 posted on 12/26/2011 11:50:49 AM PST by GreenHornet
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Why did they decide to take a midnight ride in a speedboat?

Was it a full moon?

Are you sure it was forty miles per hour... could it have been 38 miles per hour?

Was the dock cable always there or did YOU put it there? YOU had the lake house next door. What was your beef with them? Well... we’re waiting....


19 posted on 12/26/2011 11:55:15 AM PST by momtothree
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To: GreenHornet

Randsburg is an old mining town that is now an in-place for desert off-roaders. Lot’s of open desert and few roads. I really don’t see anything too unusual in this story except the absence of a mention of alcohol.

Oldplayer


20 posted on 12/26/2011 11:56:01 AM PST by oldplayer
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To: steve86

They did WHAT???????????? Holy Crapazolla!


21 posted on 12/26/2011 11:56:09 AM PST by Doc Savage ("I've shot people I like a lot more,...for a lot less!" Raylan Givins)
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To: ColdOne

They were so young. How sad.


22 posted on 12/26/2011 11:56:14 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: dfwgator

they got their Polaris confused.


23 posted on 12/26/2011 11:57:43 AM PST by WOBBLY BOB (Congress: Looting the future to bribe the present.)
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To: steve86

“Very sad. Plunged hundreds of feet into a blind ravine in the dark.”

You put it more succinctly than the article. Terrible end to couple of young men. Yes, very sad.


24 posted on 12/26/2011 11:58:21 AM PST by Beowulf9
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To: GreenHornet

Read between the lines if not the girls maybe George Bush?


25 posted on 12/26/2011 12:04:38 PM PST by JIM O
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To: steve86

I live in the Mo Jave desert for 4 years!!!


26 posted on 12/26/2011 12:05:18 PM PST by tallyhoe
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To: GreenHornet
Well ... having nothing to go on except MY spidey sense ... (and disregarding, but only for argument's sake ... 'cause you guys make sense too .. the comments about hiking in the desert and kids can be stupid ) ...

Let's assume a drug deal (the time is to THIS Pennsyvanian, a little suspicious ... but someone's pointed out it ain't such a bad time in the desert)

And let's assume there's enough money for a couple of girls to get ideas ..

And let's suppose those girls know the guys that are the other end of the deal

And let's suppose those other guys are more ambitious and blingy than THESE two ...


OK ... I'm gettin' slaughtered here ... you're all right .. and I'm wrong ... I confess ... I am guilty of responding to a headline without using MY head.

I'm STILL gonna' continue drinking this day and I'm STILL gonna' feel good about myself tonight ....



toMORROW, on the other hand ... may be questionable.

27 posted on 12/26/2011 12:06:21 PM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: steve86

looks like candidates for the Darwin award.


28 posted on 12/26/2011 12:14:12 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied.)
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To: knarf
Let's assume a drug deal (the time is to THIS Pennsyvanian, a little suspicious ... but someone's pointed out it ain't such a bad time in the desert)

And let's assume there's enough money for a couple of girls to get ideas ...

And let's suppose those girls know the guys that are the other end of the deal

And let's suppose those other guys are more ambitious and blingy than THESE two ...

I kept hearing Lt. Columbo's voice as I was reading your comments. Interesting theory. I still think it was death by stupidity. Desert or otherwise, who goes out riding an ATV at 2:30 in the morning if they're sober?

Stay well.

29 posted on 12/26/2011 12:19:34 PM PST by GreenHornet
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To: knarf

“... you’re all right... and I’m wrong.... “

You aren’t totally wrong. I am still keeping my eye on E. Pluribus Unum!


30 posted on 12/26/2011 12:19:47 PM PST by momtothree
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To: momtothree
"You aren’t totally wrong"

perhaps not, but I have been imbibing since ... Ohhhh ... I dunno' ... half-assed Coors o'clock.

31 posted on 12/26/2011 12:23:40 PM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: bigheadfred

Brokeback Ravine scenario?


32 posted on 12/26/2011 12:24:04 PM PST by Molon Labbie (Occupiers- The world is watching....and alternatively laughing and vomiting)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

33 posted on 12/26/2011 12:25:50 PM PST by AAABEST (Et lux in tenebris lucet: et tenebrae eam non comprehenderunt)
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To: Beowulf9
“Very sad. Plunged hundreds of feet into a blind ravine in the dark.”

"Recalculating..."

34 posted on 12/26/2011 12:26:24 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network ("FREE TRADERS": Self-loathing Americans)
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To: knarf

So, you’re celebrating! Nothing wrong with having a few cocktails... as long as you keep your tushy off an ATV! LOL!


35 posted on 12/26/2011 12:27:22 PM PST by momtothree
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To: MarineBrat

I just came back from Death Valley and I totally agree. Night time driving is completely different in the desert. Contrary to popular belief, the desert is not flat but rather pretty diverse in elevation differences. For the geographically challenged the largest escarpment is between Bad Water and Telescope Peak. From -282 to 11,495 feet in a matter of miles. Granted this is the extreme, but it is not uncommon to have cliffs drops of hundreds of feet.

These OTV’ers remind me of Darwin rules.


36 posted on 12/26/2011 12:38:33 PM PST by Psycho_Runner (I never voted for change, I prefer folding money.)
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To: MarineBrat

And that story reminds me of a idiot I went to school with. We were driving down a back road(all roads in that county were more or less back roads at that time,1959), there were about 6 or us in the car and the idiot was driving. There was a bright full moon and the idiot says, “I bet I can drive with the lights off”, and promptly turns off the lights, he thought it was great until another car,who also had their lights off, passed us going the opposite direction. That ended the great night driving experiment as the guy setting next to him turned the lights back on and we all threatened the idiot with physical harm if the turned them off again.:)


37 posted on 12/26/2011 12:52:30 PM PST by calex59
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To: knarf

Coors? Now that is hard to believe. Getting drunk on Coors just doesn’t pass the believability test.

Stuff is like water.


38 posted on 12/26/2011 12:59:46 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: ColdOne

As far as abandoned mines and mine shafts go, they are often near invisible deathtraps.

Many old shafts were just covered with boards, that with a good layer of dust, and maybe even a plant or two growing in the dust are indistinguishable from ordinary ground, even though stepping on the now rotten boards means you die. If you are alone, they might not find your body for years.

And that’s just death from falling. Commonly, poisonous gas is in old mines, so that even if you survive the drop, you suffocate in seconds.


39 posted on 12/26/2011 1:13:24 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: driftdiver

’ Like making love in a canoe.’


40 posted on 12/26/2011 1:17:39 PM PST by Leavemealone
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To: EagleUSA; ColdOne; All

Sunday, close to new moon, almost no moon light, don’t know about clouds and stars.


41 posted on 12/26/2011 1:17:39 PM PST by gleeaikin
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To: knarf

Scooooby!!!


42 posted on 12/26/2011 1:19:15 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: gleeaikin; EagleUSA; ColdOne; All

Sorry, reread story, last Sunday, not this, was a 1/2 moon.


43 posted on 12/26/2011 1:19:31 PM PST by gleeaikin
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To: driftdiver
The beauty of being essentially a non-drinker is ... I'm a cheap date.

I drink perhaps a six-pack a year.

I'm in the mood to be a little over indulgent and I feel fine.

Maybe I'll sleep, maybe I'll puke and maybe I'll have wonderful experiences with my wife ....



I don't own an ATV, so .....


/8^)

44 posted on 12/26/2011 1:19:57 PM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: Psycho_Runner

Totally agree. I’ve hiked solo and been stuck hoofing it back to my car in the dark.

I slow way down.

Too easy to step into holes, slip over a rock and break an ankle.

Depth perception and contrast are just way different when it’s dark.


45 posted on 12/26/2011 1:23:15 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: driftdiver

Tastes like water infused with cigarette ashes to me.


46 posted on 12/26/2011 1:23:57 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: momtothree
I lived in nearby Ridgecrest in the late 70's for a few years. Randsburg has an old Salon that we visited a few times. Suspect the two spent time in the Salon and dropped the women off at the motel after it closed before their ill advised adventure. It can be real cold in that area this time of the year, especially if the wind is blowing.

Also seams like I recall the adjacent city of Red Mountain was notorious for its cat houses in the old mining days. Some existed until the 1950's I've been told.

47 posted on 12/26/2011 1:25:20 PM PST by TruthWillWin (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples money.)
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To: WOBBLY BOB
The two young men left a Randsburg, California, hotel about 2:30 a.m. Sunday, telling their girlfriends where they were headed and saying they'd be back within a few hours.

My guess is a drug rendezvous/pick-up in the desert in the wee hours of the night gone wrong........

48 posted on 12/26/2011 1:26:25 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Santa missed my house again....or maybe he's stuck in the chimney. I'll go look.......)
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To: knarf
Why are a couple of guys goin' to try out a new ATV at 230-3 AM ?

Drug rendezvous gone wrong.......

49 posted on 12/26/2011 1:28:18 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Santa missed my house again....or maybe he's stuck in the chimney. I'll go look.......)
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To: knarf

I don’t drink much either, which is why you have to make it worthwhile.

A good bottle of scotch will last me more than a year. But its good stuff.


50 posted on 12/26/2011 1:31:11 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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