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Posted on 01/03/2012 10:04:29 AM PST by thefactor
I don't think there are any real articles written about this yet. Seems to have occurred about 11 months ago and is just coming to light. The action occurs at exactly the 1 minute mark.
As many of you know, I'm a cop. I complain about the anti-cop posts and posters, but I also have the responsibility to bring things like this to light. If this went down, this guy needs to be fired and sent to prison. I have also heard that one of the cops is the son-in-law of the new Mayor.
That said, I also would bet that some ambulance-chasing parasite (Lawyer), will NOT sue the cop for the damage to the target accused drug buyer, but rather will cost Taxpayers a ton of money when the City is sued, and the payout comes from the Taxpayer.
In ANY case of LEO malfeasance/criminal activity, I believe ONLY the inividual should be allowed to be held accountable (monetarily), and the Litigation Lotto should NOT be on the backs of Taxpayers.
“and the Litigation Lotto should NOT be on the backs of Taxpayers. “
I’d agree unless they had help committing the crime or in covering it up.
This should be right up your alley. I defend cops all the time, but I try to be fair.
These guys are real criminal geniuses. They cannot even plant evidence without being caught by their own dashcam...
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I saw the video and the officer does appear to pull a baggy out of his pocket and place it in the vehicle. If this is the case, ALL of the previous arrests made by this officer have to be scrutinized. All of his previous sworn testimony has to be scrutinized. Very frightening stuff, the factor and I applaud you for bringing it to the attention of FReepers.
Thank you for the ping!
thanks for posting, hopefully he gets what he deserves
Maybe he was under the influence himself, because that was stupid beyond words to do it right in front of the camera.
No city-supplied lawyer.
Trial.
Prison.
Forfeiture of pension.
Police Officers who do the right thing don’t need to be defended. Their actions speak for them. Its POS’s like these two that give the honest and hard working ones, of which there are few these days, a bad name. All they did was stoke the anti-cop fervor some more.
I’d agree unless they had help committing the crime or in covering it up.
The taxpayers didn't help commit the crime or cover it up. The officer and any accessories should be individually responsible for any civil judgment.
It's attitudes like this that allow goons with badges to get away with this kind of crap.
The elected city officials (read: mayor, city council) hold the cops' leashes.
The taxpayers elect the officials holding the cops' leashes.
If the taxpayers re-elect the officials without holding them personally responsible for cleaning up the dirty police, then the taxpayers should not complain about having to foot the bill when dirty goons with badges commit crimes.
Too many good taxpayers go back to sleep after casting their votes when they should be continually watching the elected officials to make sure the officials they elected are doing the taxpayers' bidding the way the taxpayers want it done.
It's really as simple as that.
May I suggest that you bring this to the attention of local media in Utica?
IANAL, but I believe that the legal principle involved is *respondeat superior*:
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Respondeat+superior
tl;dr: The taxpayers are on the hook.
There has to be a component of individual responsibility. I agree the City Leaders are ultimately responsible but there is already a law against planting evidence. If the cop doesn’t pay a criminal and civil penalty there is nothing to stop them.
The taxpayers hired the cop, trained the cop, and allowed him to carry the authority. The city is certainly part of the equation.
I agree.
It's the elected District Attorney who decides whether or not to file charges and prosecute the case.
If the electors don't hold him responsible, then no one will.
I might also add that his 'brother' goons, er, officers also probably knew about his illegal actions and did nothing.
Oh it has been. You should see the UPD’s facebook page! Ha. People are going off.
Unfortunately they almost always tend to pay a much lesser penalty than any non LEO would caught in similar circumstances.
There is a point of no return - past which an organization built to enforce the law becomes nothing more than an ongoing criminal conspiracy. And those boys in blue look out for their own. By by “their own” they often mean the most reprehensible sort of scum.
UPD says the entire video tells a different story.
Then I hope that is the case. Thanks for that. None of my googling returned that result. Then it just may simply be a case of sloppy evidence handling.
http://www.wktv.com/news/local/FULL-DASHCAM-VIDEO-OF-21111-Utica-traffic-stop-136602198.html
Snippets on youtube NEVER tell the whole story.
So, now that the whole video is out, have you learned anything about making judgments from edited youtube snippets?
Remember, youtube agitators (many affiliated with libertine organizations like occupy wallstreet and copblock) have an agenda, and they will deliberately edit to push an agenda.
Contrary to what people think, videos do lie, and the camera does not always tell the whole story.
Sorry, but the full video is not as clear-cut as you and your Chief would like us to believe.
First, the search was conducted on the extreme left side of the screen. Second, the suspect's jacket blocked most of the view of the search. Third, the cop's left hand was not visible when he placed it inside the pocket, but was when he pulled it out.
I say the cop palmed the evidence going in and exposed it coming out.
Remember, youtube agitators (many affiliated with libertine organizations like occupy wallstreet and copblock) have an agenda, and they will deliberately edit to push an agenda.
And, of course, police officers and their unions don't have an agenda.
Contrary to what people think, videos do lie, and the camera does not always tell the whole story.
Which is why the cops have dashboard cameras in their cars, but arrest people who videotape the cops and charge them with wiretapping?
When Officer Friendly pulls someone over he approaches the car as if every occupant is a hardened cop-killer.
Why should we trust them any more than they trust us?
Video’s don’t lie, they simply show what happened and its up to people to interpret.
People lie, and that includes cops and people who aren’t cops.
My chief? (Oh, I get it... ITS A CONSPIRACY!) Actually, the video is pretty clear cut. However, you were called out, and you want to double down on your agenda. I understand. However, be aware that its obvious what you are doing.
First, the search was conducted on the extreme left side of the screen. Second, the suspect's jacket blocked most of the view of the search. Third, the cop's left hand was not visible when he placed it inside the pocket, but was when he pulled it out. I say the cop palmed the evidence going in and exposed it coming out.
IOW: You got caught making a rush to judgment, you are mad that you got called on it, and now you rush to the last refuge of the internet... "ITS A CONSPIRACY!"
And, of course, police officers and their unions don't have an agenda.
Collective bargaining is illegal for public employees in many states. You know that right? In any case, your argument is pretty sad. Its one thing to point out an agenda when an EDITED snippet of a video is released by the NAACP. The police department released the entire unedited video. If the NAACP didn't have an agenda, and weren't agitating, why didn't they release the whole thing?
Which is why the cops have dashboard cameras in their cars, but arrest people who videotape the cops and charge them with wiretapping?
Or perhaps the particular state law allows for recording by police, but not the other way around? Then its actually a problem with the law, and not the police.
When Officer Friendly pulls someone over he approaches the car as if every occupant is a hardened cop-killer.
So this is really what your veiled anger is all about? I have news for you, an officer has no idea who it is they are dealing with when they approach a car. So yes, you do approach such an unknown risk with a heightened state of awareness. Funny... people who exercise their second amendment rights are told to do the exact same thing. Same for the military.
What this really boils down to is the entitlement culture and the ITS ALL ABOUT ME mentality that is stroked by the internet and the anti-authority libertines and liberals.
I guess Romans 13 can just be cut out of scripture, right?
Why should we trust them any more than they trust us?
If you can't figure out the logical fallacy in this, then you are beyond help.
As I suspected. You are a cop. I know you'll deny it, but your own words betray you. This explains your righteous indignation over your brother officer being accused of planting evidence.
There are two types of cops in this world --those who've been caught in their lies and those who have yet to be caught lying.
Romans 13 assumes that the governing authorities are honest. When you find an honest governing authority, please be sure to let us know.
Nothing can be cut. Read the whole Bible and don’t focus on one verse.
LOL! More libertine foaming at the mouth. And you continue to make assumptions. A textbook example of an internet warrior.
You are desperately trying to deflect from the fact that you got caught in a rush to judgment (lie). It isn't working.
I'm not the one defending the cop who got caught on video planting evidence.
Unfortunately, I can’t see how Romans 13 makes that assumption. The Roman goverment in Judea/Palestine was notoriously corrupt, and extremely hostile to first Jews, then in turn to Christians. Revolts and rebellions were commonplace throughout the region, so Paul’s comments here are difficult to understand except as divinely inspired Scripture. I know some will say that he was a Roman citizen, so he was a Rome-bot, in modern parlance; or alternately that he was so afraid of death, that he could do nothing other than support Rome in writing... but that ignores the divinely inspired nature of Scripture, IMHO. BTW, I would love to make the assumption you state, I just don’t see how it is warranted.
Why would he need to separate them? And why would the back seat of the suspects' vehicle be the place to do that? This still smells very fishy.
Thanks for the information.
This raises an interesting point about the Founding Fathers and the American Revolution, doesn't it?
At what point does one no longer submit to the governing authority?
And you’re a cop-hater. What a douche.
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