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The Catholic (Santorum or Gingrich) vs. the Mormon (vanity)
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Posted on 01/03/2012 10:45:00 PM PST by MacMattico

Would we have thought that possible a while ago?

As a Catholic, I'm quite proud!

I don't hate Mormons, but how can any reasonable individual believe what Mormons believe?

I am very happy for Rick Santorum today, and glad Newt is going after Romney. I know Romney's religion hasn't come up, but it will in any general election. Really, he has freedom to believe what he wants but it should be vetted if that's what will kill his candidacy in the general.


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To: Scoutmaster

Yes, it seems that no Romney man has ever served our nation in uniform, that is almost 170 years of perfection, yet we have two of them in a row running for President.

That isn’t coincidence, or skipping a generation or two, or three every once in a while, like normal Americans do, that is a perfect record, a deliberate record, a goal.


51 posted on 01/04/2012 7:36:29 AM PST by ansel12
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To: panaxanax; reaganaut

So max, how would Romney be better than BHO, their political governance is nearly identical?
Romney needs to be knocked out in the primary and a conservative (as close as we can get) should be nominated, not BHO lite.


52 posted on 01/04/2012 7:40:17 AM PST by svcw (For the new year: you better toughen up, if you are going to continue to be stupid.)
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To: teg_76

As a Christian you should care.


53 posted on 01/04/2012 7:42:05 AM PST by svcw (For the new year: you better toughen up, if you are going to continue to be stupid.)
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To: svcw

“So max, how would Romney be better than BHO”


You must be kidding.


“Romney needs to be knocked out in the primary and a conservative (as close as we can get) should be nominated...”

We do agree on that point.


54 posted on 01/04/2012 7:55:45 AM PST by panaxanax (0bama >>WORST PRESIDENT EVER.)
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To: panaxanax

No I am not kidding.
Both support abortion.
Both support gun control.
Both support the homosexual agenda.
Both support government mandated health care.
And that’s to just name a few.......
So max why are they different?


55 posted on 01/04/2012 8:01:01 AM PST by svcw (For the new year: you better toughen up, if you are going to continue to be stupid.)
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To: MacMattico
I would vote for Romney over Obama personally, but you will have Obama surrogates calling LDS a cult from coast to coast

Perhaps you should spend some time at the site linked below.

You will likely see this Law of Consecration brought up time and again by the Obama campaign...an oath taken by Romney numerous times in the mormon temple..."You and each of you covenant and promise before God, angels, and these witnesses at this altar, that you do accept the Law of Consecration as contained in the Doctrine and Covenants, in that you do consecrate yourselves, your time, talents, and everything with which the Lord has blessed you, or with which he may bless you, to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, for the building up of the Kingdom of God on the earth and for the establishment of Zion.

Law of Consecration

Mormon’s covenant to put the Church before ALL things.

56 posted on 01/04/2012 8:19:32 AM PST by greyfoxx39 (The Iowa caucuses gave you Jimmy Carter and Barack Obama. You're WELCOME, America.-Iowahawk)
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To: Scoutmaster

Spot on. A person’s religious beliefs tell us a lot about that individual’s world view and what to expect from them. Additionally, how they don’t follow those teachings also tells us a lot. In Romney’s case - all the high falluting ‘boy are we conservative’ commentary from mormon sources go sour quickly in the face of Harry Reid and yes, mitt’s own liberal record in Massachusetts. “Expedient” might be his claim for how he operated in Massachusetts - but compromise is compromise and if he is willing to compromise the core values of his religion - how more easily will he compromise the country as a whole for his own benefit?


57 posted on 01/04/2012 8:38:58 AM PST by Godzilla (3/7/77)
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To: MacMattico
but you will have Obama surrogates calling LDS a cult from coast to coast

Because Mormonism is cult. All Obama would have to do is use historical documents of Joseph Smith, other LDS leaders and use it against the LDS. Truth hurts.

I'm always amazed at how some Catholics want to give Mormonism a pass when it's so clearly a cult.

58 posted on 01/04/2012 8:40:13 AM PST by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
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To: svcw

Romney is not a Communist
Romney is not a Muslim
Romney has not kissed the ring of Saudi Princes
Romney has not apologized for American Excellence
Romney is not connected to The Weathermen (murderers)
Romney has a Birth Certifcate
Romney is an American
Romney is not bi-sexual (Larry Sinclair)
Romney is not a drug user like 0bama (Larry Sinclair)
Romney is not connected to SEIU and America-haters
Romney is not endorsed by the Communist Party/USA
Romney is not endorsed by the Socialist Party/USA
Romney is not endrsed by the Workers World Party/USA
Romney had executive experience before being elected
Romney college records are available
Romney did not endorse Muslim Brotherhood (Egypt)
Romney did not endorse CAIR
Romney showed up for work and made decisions
Romney actually loves America
Etc............Etc........Etc.....

I always thought that you were one of the more intelligent ones in your group of ‘anti-MormonISM’ Freepers. You are one of the few that actually post your opinions on other subjects. I thank you for that, but we all must think about America First this coming election. We cannot survive 4, maybe 12 more years of Socialism/Marxism/Communism and you damn well know it!


59 posted on 01/04/2012 8:45:15 AM PST by panaxanax (0bama >>WORST PRESIDENT EVER.)
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To: panaxanax

You are correct about the things listed.
However that does not address the way they govern, which is nearly identical.
I will not support the liberal no matter which party.
I loath mormonISM and I loath liberals.
Romney is a liberal, I will not support him.


60 posted on 01/04/2012 9:18:49 AM PST by svcw (For the new year: you better toughen up, if you are going to continue to be stupid.)
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To: MacMattico

Some including myself would ask how any people with the power of reason and logic could believe much the catholic tradition/logic. There are plenty reasons to not vote for Mitt without being nasty about his faith.


61 posted on 01/04/2012 9:35:51 AM PST by ThisLittleLightofMine
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To: MacMattico

Some including myself would ask how any person with the power of reason and logic could believe much the catholic tradition/dogma. There are plenty of reasons to not vote for Mitt without being nasty about his faith.


62 posted on 01/04/2012 9:38:23 AM PST by ThisLittleLightofMine
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To: ThisLittleLightofMine

There is nothing wrong with Christians making sure that the media does not advance the Mormon claim that they are
Christians.

All Christian churches agree that Mormonism is it’s own unique religion, not a part of Christianity.


63 posted on 01/04/2012 9:43:39 AM PST by ansel12
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To: Cronos; chuckles

But if he was a real conservative and a Mormon, that would be a different quesiton

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Not for me.


64 posted on 01/04/2012 10:04:21 AM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost, but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: panaxanax; Jim Robinson

American cannot stand 4 years of Romney or Obama. They are the same person, but Romney is paler. They are both bad for America

Ronald Reagan sure as Hell wouldn’t vote for a gun-grabbing, pro-abortion, statist like Romney, and if you think he would you don’t know Reagan.

And I never said I would stay home, like you pathetically assume. I can vote against ROMNEY AND OBAMA both.


65 posted on 01/04/2012 10:17:22 AM PST by reaganaut (If Romney is a conservative then I'm the frickin Angel Moroni.)
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To: panaxanax

Can America survive 4 more years of a Marxist administration that hates our every freedom, wants to take away our guns, shred our Constitution & Bill of Rights?

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You just described Mitt Romney to a ‘T’.


66 posted on 01/04/2012 10:21:01 AM PST by reaganaut (If Romney is a conservative then I'm the frickin Angel Moroni.)
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To: ansel12

There is no way to get Christians to vote for Romney, without first destroying their will to resist the evil of Mormonism
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Which is exactly what SLC is trying to do. They will use Mitt to validate their cult.


67 posted on 01/04/2012 10:39:21 AM PST by reaganaut (If Romney is a conservative then I'm the frickin Angel Moroni.)
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To: panaxanax; ansel12

Given the above factual information that I offered to you, I would think that Mr. Reagan would vote for Romney over the Muslim America-hating Marxist 0bama.

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I agree with ansel’s statement. Reagan would never vote for or support Romney. Romney is Obama in every way, except he is Mormon not Muslim. He may not have spoken ill about Romney, but he wouldn’t have supported him either.


68 posted on 01/04/2012 10:43:45 AM PST by reaganaut (If Romney is a conservative then I'm the frickin Angel Moroni.)
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To: Scoutmaster

Excellent post and spot on.


69 posted on 01/04/2012 10:51:19 AM PST by reaganaut (If Romney is a conservative then I'm the frickin Angel Moroni.)
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To: svcw

Romney needs to be knocked out in the primary and a conservative (as close as we can get) should be nominated, not BHO lite.

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Yeppers


70 posted on 01/04/2012 11:00:29 AM PST by reaganaut (If Romney is a conservative then I'm the frickin Angel Moroni.)
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To: greyfoxx39
... to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints...

That's deceptive right there; as the Organization is NOT a 'church'; but a CORPORATION!!!




Corporation of the President

ARTICLES OF INCORPORATION
of the
CORPORATION OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS
CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS.

UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,

STATE OF UTAH

COUNTY OF SALT LAKE

I, the undersigned, having been duly chosen and appointed President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, in conformity with the rites, regulations and discipline of said Church, being desirous of forming a corporation for the purpose of acquiring, holding and disposing of Church or religious society property, for the benefit of religion, for works of charity and for public worship, under and pursuant to the provisions of Chapter 3, Title 19, of the Compiled Laws of Utah, 1917, on "Churches and Religious Societies," and all acts amendatory thereof and supplementary thereto, for that purpose do hereby make and subscribe, in duplicate, the following

ARTICLES OF INCORPORATION

First: The name of this corporation shall be the CORPORATION OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS.

Second: The object of this corporation shall be to acquire, hold and dispose of such real and personal property as may be conveyed to or acquired by said corporation for the benefit of the members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, a religious society, for the benefit of religion, for works of charity and for public worship. Such real and personal property may be situated, either within the State of Utah, or elsewhere, and this corporation shall have power, without any authority or authorization from the members of said Church or religious society, to grant, sell, convey, rent, mortgage, exchange, or otherwise dispose of any part or all of such property.

Third: The estimated value of the property of which I hold the legal title for the purpose aforesaid, at the time of making these Articles of Incorporation, is One Million, Five Hundred Thousand Dollars.

Fourth: The title of the person making these Articles of Incorporation is "PRESIDENT OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS."

Fifth: The corporation seal shall contain the words, "Corporation of the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints," and an impression thereof is hereto affixed.

[Seal] [Signed] Heber J. Grant
President of the Church of Jesus
Christ of Latter-day Saints.

STATE OF UTAH
SS:
COUNTY OF SALT LAKE

On this 26th day of November, 1923, before me, Arthur Winter, a Notary Public in and for said County, personally appeared HEBER J. GRANT, who is known to me to be the person whose name is subscribed to the foregoing instrument as President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and duly acknowledged to me that he executed the same as such President.

[Seal] [Signed] Arthur Winter
Notary Public
Residing at Salt Lake City, Utah.
My commission expires Dec. 1, 1923.


AMENDMENT TO

ARTICLES OF INCORPORATION
of the
CORPORATION OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS
CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS.

 

 

UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
STATE OF UTAH ss.
COUNTY OF SALT LAKE

HEBER J. GRANT, being first duly sworn, deposes and says:

That he is now and for more than twenty years last past has been the duly chosen and appointed President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and as such President has been since on or about the 26th day of November, 1923, and now is, the legally constituted Corporation of the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter=day Saints, a corporation sole; that under and pursuant to Section 18-7-5 R.S.U. 1933 he hereby amends Article "Fourth" of said Articles of Incorporation as now of record in the proper offices of this and other states, said article as amended to read as follows:

ARTICLE FOURTH

Fourth: The title of the person making these articles of incorporation is "President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints." He and his successor in office shall be deemed and are hereby created a body politic and corporation sole with perpetual succession, having all the powers and rights and authority in these articles specified or provided for by law. But in the event of death or resignation from office of the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, or in the event of a vacancy in that office from any cause, the President or Acting President of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles of said Church, or one of the members of said Quorum thereunto designated by that Quorum, shall, pending the installation of a successor President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, be the corporation sole under these articles, and the laws pursuant to which they are made, and shall be and is authorized in his official capacity to execute in the name of the corporation all documents or other writings necessary to the carrying on of its purposes, business and objects, and to do all things in the name of the corporation which the original signer of the articles of incorporation might do; it being the purpose of these articles that there shall be no failure in succession in the office of such corporation sole.

[Signed] Heber J. Grant
President of the Church of Jesus
Christ of Latter-day Saints,
corporation sole.
[Seal]

Subscribed and sworn to before me this 18 day of June, 1940.
[the name of Notary Public not shown on copy of amendment]

(Original in State of Utah Archives, Salt Lake City, Utah)


ARTICLES OF AMENDMENT
TO THE

ARTICLES OF INCORPORATION
of the
CORPORATION OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS
CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS.


A UTAH CORPORATION SOLE

Pursuant to the provisions of Section 16-7-5 of the Utah Code Annotated 1953 (as amended) relating to amendments of articles of incorporation of corporations sole, the CORPORATION OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS, a Utah Corporation Sole, does hereby amend its Articles of Incorporation by adding an additional Paragraph V thereto as follows:

Upon the winding up and dissolution of this corporation, after paying or adequately providing for the debts and obligations of the corporation, the remaining assets shall be distributed to a nonprofit fund, foundation or corporation, which is organized and operated exclusively for charitable, educational, or religious and/or scientific purposes and which has established its tax-exempt status under Section 501(c)(3) of the Internal Revenue Code.

IN WITNESS WHEREOF, the undersigned has caused these presents to be executed this 19th day of November, 1973.

CORPORATION OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE
CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY
SAINTS, a Utah Corporation Sole

By: [signed] Harold B. Lee
Harold B. Lee, Corporation Sole

STATE OF UTAH ) ss:
County of Salt Lake )

HAROLD B. LEE, being first duly sworn, deposes and says: That he is now and ever since July 7, 1972, has been the duly chosen and appointed President of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints and, as such president, is now and ever since said date has been the legally constituted CORPORATION OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS, a Utah Corporation Sole; that the original Articles of Incorporation of said Corporation Sole were executed by Heber J. Grant, President of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints; that he, Harold B. Lee, is the successor in office to the said Heber J. Grant; that he, Harold B. Lee, executed the foregoing Articles of Amendment as said Corporation Sole.

[signed] Harold B. Lee

SUBSCRIBED AND SWORN to before me this 19th day of November, 1973.

[signed] Wilford W Kirton, Jr
NOTARY PUBLIC
Residing at Salt Lake City, Utah
My commission expires:
2-3-77


Articles of Incorporation as amended:

ARTICLES OF INCORPORATION

First: The name of this corporation shall be the CORPORATION OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS.

Second: The object of this corporation shall be to acquire, hold and dispose of such real and personal property as may be conveyed to or acquired by said corporation for the benefit of the members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, a religious society, for the benefit of religion, for works of charity and for public worship. Such real and personal property may be situated, either within the State of Utah, or elsewhere, and this corporation shall have power, without any authority or authorization from the members of said Church or religious society, to grant, sell, convey, rent, mortgage, exchange, or otherwise dispose of any part or all of such property.

Third: The estimated value of the property of which I hold the legal title for the purpose aforesaid, at the time of making these Articles of Incorporation, is One Million, Five Hundred Thousand Dollars.

Fourth: The title of the person making these articles of incorporation is "President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints." He and his successor in office shall be deemed and are hereby created a body politic and corporation sole with perpetual succession, having all the powers and rights and authority in these articles specified or provided for by law. But in the event of death or resignation from office of the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, or in the event of a vacancy in that office from any cause, the President or Acting President of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles of said Church, or one of the members of said Quorum thereunto designated by that Quorum, shall, pending the installation of a successor President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, be the corporation sole under these articles, and the laws pursuant to which they are made, and shall be and is authorized in his official capacity to execute in the name of the corporation all documents or other writings necessary to the carrying on of its purposes, business and objects, and to do all things in the name of the corporation which the original signer of the articles of incorporation might do; it being the purpose of these articles that there shall be no failure in succession in the office of such corporation sole.

Fifth: Upon the winding up and dissolution of this corporation, after paying or adequately providing for the debts and obligations of the corporation, the remaining assets shall be distributed to a nonprofit fund, foundation or corporation, which is organized and operated exclusively for charitable, educational, or religious and/or scientific purposes and which has established its tex-exempt status under Section 501(c)(3) of the Internal Revenue Code.

Sixth: The corporate seal shall contain the words, "Corporation of the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints," and an impression thereof is hereto affixed.

71 posted on 01/04/2012 11:08:58 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: ThisLittleLightofMine

How much do you know about Mormonism?


72 posted on 01/04/2012 11:50:18 AM PST by reaganaut (If Romney is a conservative then I'm the frickin Angel Moroni.)
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To: reaganaut; ETL

“They [Romney & Obama] are both bad for America.”
_______________________________

Agree.
______________________________

“Ronald Reagan sure as Hell wouldn’t vote for a gun-grabbing, pro-abortion, statist like Romney, and if you think he would you don’t know Reagan.”
_______________________________

I worked for Mr. Reagan in 1970 during his campaign for Governor. Having done that, meeting him and speaking with him on more than one occasion and having read EVERYTHING written about him, I can tell you that he would NOT cast his vote to the wind (third party) and allow a Communist (Obama) to be elected. He loved our country from the bottom of his soul and heart. He hated every aspect, every form of Communism.

Think what you want. There is nothing I can do about your political views and what you think is good for America.

Ronald Reagan would NOT vote for anyone that ‘earned’ the endorsement of the CPUSA, like Barack Obama has. (see below)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2788200/posts

We can ALL only hope that Romney will not be the GOP candidate. All of us are looking for a ‘real’ Conservative to get behind. It is very frustrating when there is nobody among the present field that qualifies as a Conservative. Romney ain’t it, but a Romney presidency would be much better than another round with the zer0.


73 posted on 01/04/2012 12:42:12 PM PST by panaxanax (0bama >>WORST PRESIDENT EVER.)
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To: flaglady47
Romney has one Iowa by 14 votes. Just announced on Fox.

And when the less voted for folks decide to drop out; do you think that their voters will swing towards Romney or away from him?

74 posted on 01/04/2012 12:45:09 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: panaxanax
You are one of the few that actually post your opinions on other subjects.

Speaking of opinions...

It seems that some LDS leaders expressed their OPINIONS on the state of Christians and of ALL of Christianity.

When MORMONs on FR are asked whether they SUPPORT or REJECT those well documented statements; they NEVER have expressed THEIR opinions.

I, for one, am wondering why that is?


The MORMON staements are as follows:



Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).
Joseph Smith: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).
 
 
 
Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).
 
 
 
Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).
 
 
 
Orson Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses
, vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses , 18:172).
 
 
President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses , 10:127).
 
 
 
James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).
 
 
 
President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).
 
 
 
More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).
 
 
 
President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).
 
 
President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 2, p.196).

75 posted on 01/04/2012 12:51:55 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: restornu; Saundra Duffy

You two are prompted; once more; to not comment on the above...


76 posted on 01/04/2012 12:53:04 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: ThisLittleLightofMine
There are plenty reasons to not vote for Mitt without being nasty about his faith.

HMMmmm...

I wonder if MITT would AFFIRM or DENY the above???

77 posted on 01/04/2012 12:54:33 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Elsie; restornu; Saundra Duffy

Not only did I accept it when I was Mormon, and not only did I admit it, I was proud of those statements by the prophets. I just didn’t brag about it to ‘gentiles’ because it might make ‘The Church’ look bad.


78 posted on 01/04/2012 1:00:03 PM PST by reaganaut (If Romney is a conservative then I'm the frickin Angel Moroni.)
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To: MacMattico
Someone needs to ask Romney serious questions about his religion-- beliefs that nobody not here know much about--yet.

What rock you been living under?

I'm not interested in the Rev Wright vs Joseph Smith election!

Actually I would.....Nobody really in the Commie Media....looked hard at the Rev Wright..and the Obama's going there for 18-20 years. The only guy I recall...doing much was Hannity!

79 posted on 01/04/2012 1:08:46 PM PST by Osage Orange (HE HATE ME)
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To: panaxanax; ansel12

I believe there is a quote by Reagan about not letting RINOs take over the party.

If the GOP nominates Romney the the GOP is no longer home to conservatives.

And given Reagan, I would be willing to bet that he would be leading the charge for a 3rd (conserative) party and let the GOP go the way of the Whigs.

It is time to stand on principles - apparently you don’t have any.


80 posted on 01/04/2012 1:11:36 PM PST by reaganaut (If Romney is a conservative then I'm the frickin Angel Moroni.)
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To: panaxanax
Can America survive 4 years with yet another RINO Republican?

YES, WE CAN!

Can America survive 4 more years of a Marxist administration that hates our every freedom, wants to take away our guns, shred our Constitution & Bill of Rights?

NO, WE CAN’T!

I'm way past the point....where I don't think...in the long run...there's much difference between the two.

81 posted on 01/04/2012 1:22:24 PM PST by Osage Orange (HE HATE ME)
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To: panaxanax
I know plenty of lib's......that don't do any of those things.

But their still radical liberal socialist's......

In my mind Romney and Obama ain't much different..in how they would/will govern.

Frankly I TRUST Romney less...because I know exactly what Obama thinks. Romney is like the wind...you never know from day to day...which way it's going to blow.

82 posted on 01/04/2012 1:35:50 PM PST by Osage Orange (HE HATE ME)
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To: teg_76

“I’m a Christian, but if a Buddhist believed in traditional values, smaller government and freedom of religion I’d vote for them.”

I’m with you 100% on that. The strictest (is that a word?) Constitutionalist is what’s important. Religion should not be a factor. This was the firm belief of the leader of the Baptists in Virginia while the Constitution was being written, John Leland. It would be nice if the President were a born-again Christian (in my opinion), but it’s most important that the President stands firm on all the freedoms outlined in the Constitution.


83 posted on 01/04/2012 1:49:24 PM PST by MayflowerMadam
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To: panaxanax; Colofornian

Romney is not a Communist...but he does support socialised medicine and wrote the pattern for Obama care with MASSCARE

Romney is not a Muslim...but he is part of a religious cult that believes Jesus and Satan and YOU and ME are literally brothers or half brothers in the pre-existence

Romney has not kissed the ring of Saudi Princes...but he has kissed the rings of democrats in compromise

Romney has not apologized for American Excellence...nor has he promoted it

Romney is not connected to The Weathermen (murderers)...but his religion is connected to the Mountain Meadows Massacre

Romney has a Birth Certifcate...So does michele Bachmann

Romney is an American...single point, so was Bill Ayers

Romney is not bi-sexual (Larry Sinclair)...but he supports gay causes and gay rights and gay marriage

Romney is not a drug user like 0bama (Larry Sinclair)...are you sure he never did?

Romney is not connected to SEIU and America-haters...as former Gov of Mass, he never had fights with Unions, did he?

Romney is not endorsed by the Communist Party/USA...not yet

Romney is not endorsed by the Socialist Party/USA...noot yet

Romney is not endrsed by the Workers World Party/USA...not yet but all the three above LOVED Obama care which was based on ROMNEY CARE

Romney had executive experience before being elected...yeah, talking out of both sides of his mouth

Romney college records are available...so are Bill Ayers

Romney did not endorse Muslim Brotherhood (Egypt)...not yet he didn’t

Romney did not endorse CAIR...not yet he didnt

Romney showed up for work and made decisions...all liberal in scope and conclusion

Romney actually loves America...a socialised medicine America...

Etc............Etc........Etc.....


84 posted on 01/04/2012 3:10:09 PM PST by RaceBannon (Ron Paul is to the Constitution what Fred Phelps is to the Bible.)
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To: RaceBannon

Yup


85 posted on 01/04/2012 3:25:32 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: RaceBannon

Nice list.


86 posted on 01/04/2012 3:53:30 PM PST by svcw (For the new year: you better toughen up, if you are going to continue to be stupid.)
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To: MayflowerMadam

Show me in the constitution where I am not permitted to use whatever criteria I choose when voting.
You are confusing the government verses the individual.
A persons belief system is the core of who they are, it is an important factor.


87 posted on 01/04/2012 3:55:57 PM PST by svcw (For the new year: you better toughen up, if you are going to continue to be stupid.)
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To: RaceBannon

Excellent post. Well done.


88 posted on 01/04/2012 4:11:22 PM PST by reaganaut (If Romney is a conservative then I'm the frickin Angel Moroni.)
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To: RaceBannon

Lame rebuttal.

Bill Ayers is not running for president.


89 posted on 01/04/2012 4:57:09 PM PST by panaxanax (0bama >>WORST PRESIDENT EVER.)
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To: panaxanax

Endorse
or
Repudiate??

#175


90 posted on 01/04/2012 6:35:06 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: RaceBannon
Romney did not endorse Muslim Brotherhood (Egypt)...not yet he didn’t Romney did not endorse CAIR...not yet he didnt

Well...hit the rewind button...previous election: Remember when Romney said he wouldn’t put a Muslim in the cabinet? He made his Mormonism relevant

Romney said then he wouldn't have a Muslim in his cabinet.

If religion was relevant then, why not now?...And why then isn't Romney's Mormonism likewise relevant?

91 posted on 01/04/2012 6:49:29 PM PST by Colofornian (Martyrs don't die in shootouts Sacrificial lambs aren't armed J. Smith fired 1 of 2 guns as he died)
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To: MayflowerMadam; svcw
Religion should not be a factor.

You are aware, aren't you, that the statement "Religion should not be a factor" -- is itself a statement from a specific religious vantage point.

IOW, your religious worldview, whatever it may be, informs you that you don't want to integrate religion into at least some of your political worldviews.

Therefore, your religious worldview of compartmentalization is a factor in your considerations.

Why? Why is it "A-OK" for your religious worldview that attempts to hermetically seal these things; but it's "not 'OK'" for somebody who integrates these things?

92 posted on 01/04/2012 6:54:28 PM PST by Colofornian (Martyrs don't die in shootouts Sacrificial lambs aren't armed J. Smith fired 1 of 2 guns as he died)
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To: svcw; panaxanax

When I listen to Gingrich today I said i heard that before oh yes he is being coach or reads FR


93 posted on 01/04/2012 9:33:18 PM PST by restornu (Love One Another)
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To: svcw

Well I don’t, but thanks for your opinion.


94 posted on 01/04/2012 11:18:27 PM PST by teg_76
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To: dragonblustar

I’m just trying to be civil.


95 posted on 01/04/2012 11:59:43 PM PST by MacMattico
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To: ThisLittleLightofMine

Yes there are but a Catholic is considered a member of a mainstream religion by a majority of Americans while many, many consider LDS a cult and won’t vote for a cult member.


96 posted on 01/05/2012 12:05:27 AM PST by MacMattico
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To: restornu
When I listen to Gingrich today I said i heard that before oh yes he is being coach or reads FR

Lots read: few ANSWER!


Endorse
or
Repudiate??

#75

97 posted on 01/05/2012 4:33:15 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: MacMattico; restornu; Saundra Duffy
... many, many consider LDS a cult and won’t vote for a cult member.

They DO?

I wonder WHY??



With a Stepford Wife stare; MORMONs will claim the "Personages standing in the Light" were NOT demonic beings!

Galatians 1:7-10
7. Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
8. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
 
 
2 Corinthians 11:14-15
14. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.
15. It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.
 
Revelation 13:13-15
13. And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14. And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
 
http://scriptures.lds.org/en/js_h/1/19#19
17 It no sooner appeared than I found myself delivered from the enemy which held me bound. When the light rested upon me I saw two Personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the other—This is My Beloved Son. Hear Him!
18 My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong)—and which I should join.
19 I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: “they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.”
20 He again forbade me to join with any of them; and many other things did he say unto me, which I cannot write at this time. When I came to myself again, I found myself lying on my back, looking up into heaven. When the light had departed, I had no strength; but soon recovering in some degree, I went home. And as I leaned up to the fireplace, mother inquired what the matter was. I replied, “Never mind, all is well—I am well enough off.” I then said to my mother, “I have learned for myself that Presbyterianism is not true.”
 
It appears that EXPERIENCES can be deceiving...
 
If one believes the Bible is correct, then, by that Standard, Mormonism fails the test.
If, however, you are convinced that the Bible is either in error, been corrupted or mis-interpreted, then you are free to believe whatever you wish.

98 posted on 01/05/2012 4:39:08 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: panaxanax

Perhaps #98 is more to your liking.


99 posted on 01/05/2012 4:40:15 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: MacMattico
Yes there are but a Catholic is considered a member of a mainstream religion by a majority of Americans while many, many consider LDS a cult and won’t vote for a cult member.

I'm not sure I'd classify them as a cult, but then again, I'm not sure how I'd classify mormons. I do think that you have to be really naive to believe the nonsense about their book's origin. Or just plain stupid. Sorry mormons.
100 posted on 01/05/2012 4:44:41 AM PST by ZX12R (FUBO GTFO 2012 !)
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