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Driving green means not changing your oil until you need to
Yahoo News ^ | Jan 5, 2012 | John Voelcker

Posted on 01/06/2012 3:07:32 PM PST by Michael.SF.

When was the last time state tax dollars went toward telling you not to do something?

Ads against drunk driving, certainly. Perhaps ads against smoking cigarettes.

But now, California is embarking on a campaign to persuade its citizens not to change their oil so much.

More modern motor oils, better control of the combustion process through vastly more powerful electronic circuitry, and the persistence of generations-old auto advice have combined to lengthen oil-change intervals.

Yet many of us change our oil more often than we need to.

In California, in fact, roughly half of all drivers change their oil every 3,000 miles—or even more often!—despite manufacturers' recommended intervals for new cars that may be a multiple of that number.

And that, says California's Department of Resources, Recycling and Recovery, wastes oil that could potentially have a far longer life.

According to a story in the Los Angeles Times, the department has launched an ad campaign to encourage owners to be aware of the recommended oil-change interval for their car.

The tagline "Check Your Number," is also the domain name for a website that links owners to a website that gives the the carmaker's recommended interval—these days, often 7,500 to 15,000 miles—for their specific vehicle.

That links to some general advice about what the number means, along descriptions of unusual driving patterns that might require more frequent oil changes. Other more standard advice: Keep your tires properly inflated and switch off the engine if the car is stopped for more than a few seconds.

If every driver moved to the recommended oil-change interval, says a department spokesman, 10 million gallons of engine oil could be saved each year.

(Excerpt) Read more at autos.yahoo.com ...


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It is only a matter of time before they set guidelines on how many squares of toilet paper we should use when taking care of business.
1 posted on 01/06/2012 3:07:36 PM PST by Michael.SF.
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To: Michael.SF.

add some Duralube


2 posted on 01/06/2012 3:10:53 PM PST by molson209
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To: Michael.SF.

In California, in fact, roughly half of all drivers change their oil every 3,000 miles—or even more often!—despite manufacturers’ recommended intervals for new cars that may be a multiple of that number.

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I’m calling BS on that. I’m in the automobile remarketing industry. It’s common to see cars that are 5 to 10 thousand miles past the oil change due date.

I see fleet lease cars, rental cars, you name it. NO ONE changes their oil at 3,000.


3 posted on 01/06/2012 3:11:18 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS! This means liberals AND libertarians (same thing) NO LIBS!)
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To: Michael.SF.
It is only a matter of time before they set guidelines on how many squares of toilet paper we should use when taking care of business.

I once encountered an official-looking sign over the TP roll in an Army data center bathroom that read, "Why Use Two When One Will Do?"

4 posted on 01/06/2012 3:12:36 PM PST by Interesting Times (WinterSoldier.com. SwiftVets.com. ToSetTheRecordStraight.com.)
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To: Michael.SF.

I once had a 1992 Ford Escort wagon. I got 123K miles on it and only changed the oil once at about 65K miles. The engine ran like a champ and was getting over 36 mpg on trips just before I sold it. I loved that little car.


5 posted on 01/06/2012 3:12:59 PM PST by Dutch Boy
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To: Michael.SF.
10 million gallons of engine oil could be saved each year.

"If everyone would inflate their tires, and get regular tune ups, we could save as much oil as they want to drill for." Speaking of drops in the bucket...

6 posted on 01/06/2012 3:13:28 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Michael.SF.
In California, in fact, roughly half of all drivers change their oil every 3,000 miles—or even more often!—despite manufacturers' recommended intervals for new cars that may be a multiple of that number.

And that, says California's Department of Resources, Recycling and Recovery, wastes oil that could potentially have a far longer life.

This is BS. The builders started recommending longer intervals back about 1970(a little sooner I think)because they knew most people traded a car in before it wore out. They did it as a selling point, since it was recommended, when I was a boy and young man, that cars changed oil every 1,000 miles. Stating that you could change oil every 6,000 miles made a good selling point. The fact is however that changing oil every 3,000 miles will make your engine last longer. The only time you should go longer intervals is with synthetic oil.

It is none of the governments business how often someone changes oil. Besides, the oil can be recycled and usually is. No one throws oil away these days what with the EPA waiting to throw your butt in jail if you are caught doing it.

To read this article one would think the oil is just dumped instead of recycled.

7 posted on 01/06/2012 3:14:26 PM PST by calex59
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8 posted on 01/06/2012 3:17:03 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: Responsibility2nd
If you go to a quickie oil change place, as many people do, they always put a sticker in your windshield reminding you of your next oil change--at 3000 miles. IDK what fleet managers or rental car managers do, but all those people getting 3000 mile oil changes probably aren't the ones selling or trading in their cars.
9 posted on 01/06/2012 3:17:08 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Responsibility2nd

Being cheap helps. I never change oil until 5000 miles. Over the years have saved lots of money....


10 posted on 01/06/2012 3:17:26 PM PST by goat granny
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To: Michael.SF.

I religiously change the oil on my Silverado 8.1 gas engine before 2000 miles, in the winter some point just after 1500 miles as that is when the oil will break down faster from cold starts and getting a richer fuel content.

And I always use Rotella T-6 full synthetic 5-40. During the winter months I do add one quart of Amsoil 5-20 and a half pint of Marvel Mystery oil to help starting when it gets down below -20F.


11 posted on 01/06/2012 3:17:56 PM PST by Eye of Unk (Castigo Cay by Matt Bracken, check it out. And his other works.)
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To: Eye of Unk

Are there any advantages to synthetic?


12 posted on 01/06/2012 3:20:34 PM PST by ak267
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To: ak267

Yes.

There are several grades of synthetic.

Synthetics have the parrafin filtered out (wax) that will still be in regular motor oils. This helps prevent burning/carbon deposits from building up in the engine. Also the chains of hydrocarbons in synthetics are more or less the same size, versus a lot of varying lengths in regular motor oil, so there is less breakdown of the oil over time and less ‘engine gunk’ created by the breakdown. This can help the oil perform better on startup, and at both temperature extremes.

And if you go over the recommended oil change miles, because of all this, synthetics will offer greater protection and better protection than regular motor oil will.


13 posted on 01/06/2012 3:28:28 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Michael.SF.
My current car recommends oil change every 3000 miles, which I never do.
For a car I had 20 years ago it was every 7500 miles and that's when the oil change places stated to tout their 3000 mile business.
Between the car manufacturers who want to sell cars and the oil companies who want to sell oil, I thought 5000-6000 miles was a reasonable compromise.
Once I had an old car that burned oil so I had to add a quart every 2 weeks.
I figured that was every bit as good as an oil change every 2 months and that worked just fine for several years.

14 posted on 01/06/2012 3:29:55 PM PST by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: ak267

Overall yes, especially in cold climates and extreme hot climates, you really want the straight dope on oil go to

www.bobistheoilguy.com


15 posted on 01/06/2012 3:31:04 PM PST by Eye of Unk (Castigo Cay by Matt Bracken, check it out. And his other works.)
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To: hinckley buzzard

‘Change your oil,’’Inflate your tires’ and ‘wear sweaters.’ Gad, the president’s a JERK.


16 posted on 01/06/2012 3:37:51 PM PST by bboop (Without justice, what else is the State but a great band of robbers? St. Augustine)
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To: hinckley buzzard

‘Change your oil,’’Inflate your tires’ and ‘wear sweaters.’ Gad, the president’s a JERK.


17 posted on 01/06/2012 3:38:08 PM PST by bboop (Without justice, what else is the State but a great band of robbers? St. Augustine)
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To: Dutch Boy
I got 123K miles on it and only changed the oil once at about 65K miles

But admit it, you were adding a quart every 1000 miles or so. It simply isn't possible, even with the best oil for there to be ANY oil left in the crankcase after 65k miles. It will break down and boil off.

18 posted on 01/06/2012 3:38:42 PM PST by Malsua
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To: Michael.SF.
Yikes. An oil thread on Free Republic. I frequent a bunch of car, truck and motorcycle forums and the oil discussions always devolve into pissing contests and last for months.

My 2 cents-Rotella T6 synthetic 5W-40 in the diesel, Mobil 1 synthetic 0W-20 in the Miata, 10W-30 whatever in the old F150. 5,000 mile intervals. The Sportster gets straight 50 weight, changed in spring and fall, regardless of mileage.

Oil is cheap (and it does get recycled) compared to parts and $80 an hour shop rates. Suit yourself.

19 posted on 01/06/2012 3:40:15 PM PST by SnuffaBolshevik (In a tornado, even turkeys can fly.)
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To: Michael.SF.

The Army does not do oil changes based on time or mileage anymore. Oil is sampled and the samples lab tested for contaminates (metal particles in particular). Only when the quality of the oil falls below a certain threshold is the oil changed.


20 posted on 01/06/2012 3:43:00 PM PST by M.K. Borders (All I require of my government is the liberty my Grandfathers were born to.)
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To: BitWielder1

Newer cars say 6000 miles. Places that sell oil changes say 3000. I get a traditional (not synthetic) good quality oil change every 5000 miles in the moderate climate of PA. I change the air filter every other time and I regularly get 100k+ trouble free miles from an engine. As a matter of fact, the decision to get a different car happens despite the fact that the engine works great.


21 posted on 01/06/2012 3:45:40 PM PST by jdsteel (Give me freedom, not more government.)
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22 posted on 01/06/2012 3:52:31 PM PST by loungitude (The truth hurts.)
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To: Responsibility2nd
I’m calling BS on that. I’m in the automobile remarketing industry. It’s common to see cars that are 5 to 10 thousand miles past the oil change due date.

I agree, there's no way 50% of Californians change their oil at the 3000 mile mark.

23 posted on 01/06/2012 3:54:01 PM PST by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: Michael.SF.

10 million gallons of engine oil could be saved each year.


Saved? This author is grade A, 100% stupid.

As long as it’s collected and sent to recycler (and not dumped in the yard, down a drain.. yadda yadda yadda) waste oil is RECYCLED.

They make chainsaw bar oil out of it, tar, hell, Valvoline is making motor oil out of it.

It can also be burned for heating.

Trust me, not a drop is “wasted”


24 posted on 01/06/2012 3:54:43 PM PST by cableguymn
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To: Responsibility2nd

There is alot of calling BS on the FR threads today. I do agree with you because many people rack up 2 to 3ooo miles per month. You know they do not change the oil every month or month and a half.


25 posted on 01/06/2012 4:33:19 PM PST by taterjay
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To: SnuffaBolshevik
Yikes. An oil thread on Free Republic.

Was not intended to be an "oil thread", more of a "Big Brother" thread as another example of government intrusion in our lives.

26 posted on 01/06/2012 4:39:25 PM PST by Michael.SF. (When you hear hooves, think horses, not zebras.)
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To: Dutch Boy

We still have a 1992 Escort LX we bought new. I changed the oil when I got around to it, but I did use synthetic or synthetic blends in it. It now has 322,000 miles on it and it’s the original engine. Other than a puff of smoke when starting and burning a quart of oil every couple of months, the engine runs great. But I think this may be the year we part with it.


27 posted on 01/06/2012 4:41:20 PM PST by Gee Wally
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To: Dutch Boy
I once had a 1992 Ford Escort wagon. I got 123K miles on it and only changed the oil once at about 65K miles. The engine ran like a champ and was getting over 36 mpg on trips just before I sold it. I loved that little car.

I change the oil on my '09 Toyota Sienna every 5000 miles. That's what it calls for and the vehicle is under warranty. I don't want to screw that up.

I had an '89 Ford Ranger that I drove the wheels off of. I never changed the oil in it. I only added oil when it was low. It was beat-up as you can imagine, a perfect A to B work truck. Ran like a champ. Had to sell it when I moved. Sure miss that truck!

28 posted on 01/06/2012 4:48:42 PM PST by Drew68
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29 posted on 01/06/2012 5:02:47 PM PST by RedMDer (Forward With Confidence!)
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To: taterjay

Years and years ago, I had an uncle who towed a travel trailer. He pulled it with a 1968 Buick LeSabre with the 455 cubic inch V8.

He changed his oil every 1000 miles. I laughed at him one time and said; “you’re throwing away perfectly good oil!”

He said no, he really wasn’t. Back in them days, it was common for a power plant like that to burn a quart every thousand miles. And what with towing a trailer, it was recommended that oil be changed every 1000 miles. At least.

I was like “Wow!”


30 posted on 01/06/2012 5:03:08 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS! This means liberals AND libertarians (same thing) NO LIBS!)
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To: Michael.SF.

My 2004 Honda Civic Hybrid’s owners manual recommends 10,000 miles. I {panic} around 8000 miles and break down and get it changed. I hope to get a quarter million miles on her.


31 posted on 01/06/2012 5:44:34 PM PST by FoxPro
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To: FoxPro

My 2004 Honda Civic Hybrid’s owners manual recommends 10,000 miles. I {panic} around 8000 miles and break down and get it changed. I hope to get a quarter million miles on her.


The battery will crap out before the gas engine does.


32 posted on 01/06/2012 7:42:11 PM PST by cableguymn
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To: Michael.SF.

We really need to charge are state legislators every 3000 words of legislation or 3 months.


33 posted on 01/06/2012 8:17:49 PM PST by ThomasThomas (The right has common sense and the OWS folks have common scents.)
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Both of my vehicles (Jeep Liberty, PT Cruiser) use Mobil 1 and Fram extended range filter, change every 10k miles. Cheaper than regular oil. And it’s still clean inside after 10k miles. Mobil 1 says theoretically it could go 50k miles.


34 posted on 01/06/2012 8:53:07 PM PST by bicyclerepair ( REPLACE D-W-S ! http://www.karenforcongress.com)
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To: Malsua

Not much at all. Maybe a few quarts the life of the car. I only sold it because the heater core, tie rods and brakes needed repair all at the same time. I couldn’t see putting more $ in repairs that the car was worth.

When I had a mechanic change the oil at 65K during NYS Safety Inspection and asked him if the oil looked right. He said it looked normal. When I told him how old it was, his jaw dropped.

Meanwhile a guy I worked with at the time bought the same model and new was going through a quart every 750 miles. He was not happy when the dealer told him it was normal. Fortunately that dealer is now out of business.


35 posted on 01/08/2012 7:44:23 AM PST by Dutch Boy
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To: calex59

I smell a plan to start charging money for oil recycling.

Oil is cheeper than engines.


36 posted on 01/10/2012 10:56:02 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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