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Romney would do worse than Santorum in a General Election - [Vanity]
Vanity ^ | 1/11/2012 | Self

Posted on 01/11/2012 10:24:07 AM PST by PieterCasparzen

Interesting map at as it pertains to Mittens and Santorum.

If things played out according to the map and NO "Strong Dem" states went Repub, a Republican would have to win the following "Barely Dem" states:

MT = 3 MO = 10 IN = 11 OH = 18 NC = 15 FL = 29

And then they'd need 17 electoral votes out of 4 states that are "weak Democrat":

NH = 4 CO = 9 IA = 6 VA = 13

Mittens would win NH, but that only buys 4.

Santorum was strong in IA, would stand a good chance there.

They have an advantage over other Repubs because Romney and Santorum both have home states that are strong Democrat.

However, PA has 20 electoral votes and MA just 11.

It's fairly safe to assume that they would both win in their home states.

So if things played out according to that map, Santorum would not need the 17 "Weak Dem" electoral votes if he already had 20 from winning PA.

Mittens, however, would have 11 from MA and 4 from NH, so he would need 2 more, meaning he would have to beat Obama in either CO, IA or VA.

Of course, I'm assuming that all the Repub states on the map go Repub against Obama, which for Mittens may be a tall order, considering the states are:

AZ = 11 ND = 3 SD = 3 GA = 16 SC = 9

So SC may well be a bellweather as to how well Mittens might fare if he somehow makes it past conservatives in the Repub primary.

FL may choose Mitt over Santorum in the Primary, but in the General election, IMHO, both would have a good chance of beating Obama there.

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To: FreedomProtector; PieterCasparzen
"This election cycle, Santorum would absolutely crush Obama in Pennsylvania and Ohio."

That could bring another intangible factor into play. PA and OH not only hold a nice chunk of electoral votes, but are both in the eastern time zone. A strong, clear showing there by Santorum would reflect in early exit polls that could discourage a lot of dem voters out west.

41 posted on 01/11/2012 8:04:38 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem. meum)
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To: rintense
You do not advance conservatism by becoming more liberal.

What I was saying is that the conservative base will still be intact. Romney may move policies to the left but the conservatives will not support him in that.

42 posted on 01/11/2012 8:37:37 PM PST by Mind-numbed Robot
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To: DallasSun

You are very sweet. Maybe one day. I’d love to even be an intern for free for a speechwriter.

And thanks for the offer of arms in the night. Good thing babies are so utterly precious, because some days or nights are hard. Still, now that she’s almost 5 months, most days and nights are getting pretty good. As long as you don’t expect to get much done. :)

43 posted on 01/12/2012 12:25:22 AM PST by Yaelle
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To: Mind-numbed Robot
Just curious. What policy that has been moved to the left has ever been moved back to the right? One of the main reasons we're in the mess we are now is because of FDRs entitlement programs- programs that were supposed to be temporary.

This is the primary reason we need a conservative President who will kill healthcare. Once the masses are full insured, there will be no turning back.

44 posted on 01/12/2012 3:17:04 AM PST by rintense
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To: PieterCasparzen; All
Someone has brought it to my attention that my posts are not pleasing, instructive or kind....

...and I realize this is true.

I apologize to any and all for unkind posts.....

...I have become very opinionated through the years and it doesn't reflect my love for Christ.

I need to donate today...

..and then I probably will leave FR.

FR is great......!!!

I am not.

45 posted on 01/12/2012 4:42:43 AM PST by Guenevere (....We press on.....)
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To: Guenevere
...I have become very opinionated through the years and it doesn't reflect my love for Christ.

Don't be hasty...Revelation 3: 15-16...I believe He is calling on us to take a firm stand; one way or the 'moderates'. :-)

46 posted on 01/12/2012 5:03:49 AM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the
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To: who knows what evil?
I agree!....but I have become so cynical in my responses and to have someone call me out was an exhortation I needed!

I'm still opinonated.....and don't hold with compromise, especially in politics.

But I have lost the ability, I fear, to express my opinons succinctly but kindly.

47 posted on 01/12/2012 5:18:08 AM PST by Guenevere (....We press on.....)
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To: PieterCasparzen; onyx
I strongly disagree.

Santorum is a better MAN than Romney, I have no quibble with that.

It's important to be clear about what elections have become - a cross between American Idol, the Oscar Show, and Jackass.

There is NO POSSIBILITY WHATSOEVER that a candidate who has discussed (on an intellectual and spiritual plane) contraception or fornication can be elected to any statewide or national office in this country at the present time, given the degraded state of the culture.

On top of that, Santorum comes across, on TV (which is where the battle is gong to be fought) as a little boy, and also as one who lacks confidence.

Neither Romney nor Santorum has a prayer vs. Obama, given the nature of the process and the team they are fighting against.

I thought the Palin CIABN (campaign in all but name) had found the seams in the Obama defense, so as to simultaneously a) Have good visuals, b) Stick up for the little guy, c) Take down Obama by telling the truth about him, and d) Symbolize the nation's core population and values by her very existence, without ever speaking a word.

Unfortunately, IMO, we have no replacement who can perform all of these tasks, and all will be required for victory.

48 posted on 01/12/2012 5:27:49 AM PST by Jim Noble ("The Germans: At your feet, or at your throat" - Winston Churchill)
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To: Jim Noble; PieterCasparzen

Romney is a certain loser, and thanks to Romney for his scorched earth, attack ads on Newt Gingrich, Romney made it possible for Santorum to surge in Iowa.

The GOP isn’t called the stupid party without good reasons. OPEN primaries wherein same day registration is permitted and Independents are allowed to vote, along with democrats registering Republican at the door, has to be the most insane policy ever.

No wonder Romney and Ron Paul are are coming in first and second! Close the primaries to Registered Republicans who have previously voted in the last election and we will get a wholly different result.

Jim, you’re right about Sarah Palin, but she didn’t run and Todd told Greta he’s happy she’s sitting this one out. The lamestream and GOP-E have their guy, Romney and the money is behind him. Nobody else need apply, thankyouverymuch. Even Faux News is in the tank for Romney. Can’t upset the apple cart. Go-along-to-get-along. Sarah Palin wouldn’t stand for that and Newt Gingrich won’t either.

Newt is bloodied, but he’s a fighter. I think he’d fare best against Obama. Santorum is a losing senator from PA, but he’d fare better than Romney. Perry is bloodied, but he’d fare better than Romney.

Romney will send the GOP the way of the Whigs and that’s the silver lining.

Thanks for pinging me.

49 posted on 01/12/2012 6:23:26 AM PST by onyx (PLEASE SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC - DONATE MONTHLY! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, let me know!)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot
Slick Mitt would set the conservative movement back for at least a decade.

How? Conservatives have core values that don't change over time or because of the candidate. How is Mitt going to affect that? Do you think the Tea Party Movement will not be as interested this time as last?

Making a slick, oily, arrogant, politician who ran to to left of Ted Kennedy the face of conservatism will set the conservative movement back for at least a decade.

50 posted on 01/12/2012 6:46:02 AM PST by FreedomProtector
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51 posted on 01/12/2012 6:58:00 AM PST by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: Guenevere


Take time to edit them in a text editor.

Then let that sit there for a while. Then go back and edit it some more.

I know I need to do that or my posts would be much worse than they are.

52 posted on 01/12/2012 7:50:15 AM PST by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves.)
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53 posted on 01/12/2012 9:39:13 AM PST by Guenevere (....We press on.....)
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To: Jim Noble


Politics is not binary as the media projects and many believe. Within left and right there are factions with their own interests. Often the factions co-opt the brands of “left” or “right”, kind of hiding inside them, unbeknownst to their rubes and footsoldiers, and go along for a low-cost political ride so to speak.

What the left is saying internally, of course, is very telling about a Republican candidate’s chances.

It is rather like wallowing in the slop to read it, but nonetheless it is very telling.

I found an interesting article on a far-lefty site that was quite in-depth and very revealing.

I would suggest reading the whole story at this link...

but I’ll excerpt here and ruin the ending for you...

“Per­haps the Club for Growth is right when it says San­to­rum is bend­ing to “po­lit­i­cal ex­pe­di­ency” when he talks about re­new­ing man­u­fac­tur­ing. But it is a bow that is rooted in re­al­ity: there re­ally is a 99 per­cent out there, and they are not in­ter­ested in or sat­is­fied with Mitt Rom­ney’s Bain Cap­i­tal­ism. To the ex­tent that San­to­rum suc­ceeds in pre­sent­ing even an al­ter­na­tive mes­sage, he has the po­ten­tial to con­nect with blue-col­lar con­ser­v­a­tives in com­mu­ni­ties that have been aban­doned by pres­i­den­tial con­tenders and pres­i­dents of both par­ties.

That’s a po­ten­tial that should con­cern San­to­rum’s fel­low Re­pub­li­cans. And it should con­cern De­mo­c­ra­tic strate­gists as well. Mitt Rom­ney is not going to ap­peal to blue-col­lar vot­ers and work­ing fam­i­lies in hard-hit fac­tory towns. He’s one of the peo­ple who hit them. But when San­to­rum talks about run­ning as “some­one who can go out to west­ern Penn­syl­va­nia and Ohio and Michi­gan and In­di­ana and Wis­con­sin and Iowa and Mis­souri and ap­peal to the vot­ers that have been left be­hind by a De­mo­c­ra­tic Party,” he is po­si­tion­ing him­self as a very dif­fer­ent can­di­date than Rom­ney and the other Re­pub­li­cans. And that dif­fer­ence ex­plains much of his ap­peal.”

Of course the 99% concept is a fraud, there are really those who pay and those who take, it’s more like 65% and 35% than 1% and 99%.

The simple fact is that Romney’s background is the quintessential target for Democrats - they have to be positively salivating at the thought of running the big Zero against him. A word to the wise is sufficient - IMHO, Republicans look to be setting up for an epic disappointment if they are banking on Romney beating Obama with his staunch “I feel very strongly both ways” moderation.

IMHO, while crony capitalism only pretends to be conservative, true conservatism appeals to everyone.

Romney is currently scrambling to raise as much as he can from big donors since at some point he will be faced with the fact that his true support with Republican voters is very underwhelming.

Perhaps I’ll post that article in a separate thread.

IMHO, if the “smart money” of big capital was indeed smart, they’d think twice about throwing any more good money after bad towards the Romney campaign.

The continued bailouts they believe that Romney would provide for them is, in the big picture, a business plan that will ultimately fail, while Santorum’s vision of actually, oh, I don’t know, rebuilding the American economy using real productivity instead of debt and foreign investment, will ultimately pay off tremendously well for big capital. It’s not like foreign investment must be completely avoided, to a certain extent it makes sense. But like most human “herds”, when foreign investment became the watchword, capital lost all it’s brains and flew out of America like a gold rush. Large swings and sways like that, based on hype, invariably tarnish the luster of the best investment ideas.

Once a few more of the “powers that be” give up on beating the dead horse of bailouts that Bush started (gasp !) and the Holy Grail of investing exclusively overseas (gasp!) - to the point of starving American entrepreneurs for equity investment - and look for a new face not in the Republican line of succession (eek !)...

conservative elites and Republican-brand die-hards can perhaps begin a sheepish stroll away from Prince Romney and back towards reality.

There is a large portion of the Democratic party that is comprised of working families, the stereotypical “working-class”. They make a good living, go to Church, save for their own retirement, etc. They simply vote Democratic most of the time because grandpa did and perhaps they’re in a union - including cops, firefighters, etc. Even in big cities and suburbs. These folks typically do NOT think that immorality is fine - many of them are completely sick of the indoctrination of public schools. They certainly do not buy into the left’s notion of moral relativism.

Perhaps in this election even “moderate Republicans” might even admit that good morality is not evil. /partsarc

I understand they’ve been bullied into uttering the oath that morality is “relative” by the left - in hopes of the left not taking their lunch money or giving them wedgies quite as often. But they’ve been sulking at the lunch table with nothing to eat and their underwear waistband up around their chest for quite a time now, so perhaps such an admission would give some much needed exercise to their delicate spines.

Nothing sells like success. If an “evil Christian” with all those “evil morals” got America on a winning track - even though they resurrected some of those old “morals” - it would suddenly be hip to be square again, despite what America is bombarded with on TV and in the newspapers.

54 posted on 01/12/2012 10:24:19 AM PST by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves.)
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To: onyx; Jim Noble

I agree.

55 posted on 01/12/2012 10:36:53 AM PST by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves.)
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To: Joe 6-pack

You make an excellent point. I shall not quote Lott again. What was I thinking?

56 posted on 01/12/2012 1:14:22 PM PST by DallasSun (Courage~Fear that has said its prayers.)
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To: Guenevere

Truce it is. And I apologize to you for getting so upset.

57 posted on 01/12/2012 1:15:39 PM PST by DallasSun (Courage~Fear that has said its prayers.)
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To: DallasSun

No apology needed! :)

58 posted on 01/12/2012 1:22:37 PM PST by Guenevere (....We press on.....)
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To: FreedomProtector

Wow! Calm down. I hope you didn’t hurt your vocal cords.

Do you truly think that Romney would become the voice or representative of conservatives? If so, you totally misunderstand the Tea Party Movement and underestimate conservatives.

59 posted on 01/12/2012 7:32:24 PM PST by Mind-numbed Robot
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