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Narrows Bridge tolls poised for big jump in July
Kitsap Sun ^ | Jan 12, 2012 | Ed Friedrich

Posted on 01/12/2012 4:52:01 PM PST by dragonblustar

GIG HARBOR — Tacoma Narrows Bridge tolls were always going to increase. Bond payments were set up that way.

The questions are when and how much. Preliminary answers from a workshop Wednesday night are July 1 and a lot.

Department of Transportation experts kicked off the toll-raising process by updating the bridge's citizen advisory committee with the latest traffic and revenue numbers. They also provided four toll scenarios. In them, the electronic rate would jump from $2.75 to $4.25 or $4.50, the manual rate from $4 to $5.50 or $6, and the photo tolling rate from $5.50 to $7 or $7.50.

Toll payers have avoided an increase since 2008 through various means, and it's caught up to them.

Because of the recession, traffic has flattened out at 14 million transactions a year instead of the forecasted 16 million, meaning less money is coming in. Bond payments rise each of the first 17 years of the 30-year payment schedule. In December, tolls must start repaying sales taxes on construction — $5.7 million a year for 10 years — that were deferred for the first five years. A $5.3 million startup loan from the state's gas tax account also must be repaid.

Read more: http://www.kitsapsun.com/news/2012/jan/12/narrows-bridge-tolls-poised-for-big-jump-in-july/#ixzz1jIJNq9L9

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TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Local News; Miscellaneous; Outdoors
KEYWORDS: bridge; liberals; tacoma; toll

1 posted on 01/12/2012 4:52:21 PM PST by dragonblustar
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To: dragonblustar

Didnt realise Bob McDonnell was also governor of WA


2 posted on 01/12/2012 4:54:58 PM PST by wolfman23601
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To: dragonblustar

I will not be surprised to see it reach $10 at the rate things are going.


3 posted on 01/12/2012 4:56:31 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: dragonblustar
My brother and huge number of others that work at the shipyard in Bremerton have to cross it everyday.

The toll on the Narrows is only when returning to the Tacoma side though, unlike the Seattle 520 floating bridge where they hit you both ways.

4 posted on 01/12/2012 5:00:53 PM PST by NavyCanDo
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To: dragonblustar

Nobody wanted the bridge esp. those living in Gig Harbor. Secondly the bridge was built using Korean steel. It also was supposed to be a mirror image of the original bridge. And finally it has not relieved traffic as it was supposed to. So the less people start using it the revenue is not there so they’ll raise the toll some more, fewer people will use it, etc.


5 posted on 01/12/2012 5:04:58 PM PST by SkyDancer ("If You Want To Learn To Love Better, You Should Start With A Friend Who You Hate")
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To: NavyCanDo
The toll on the Narrows is only when returning to the Tacoma side though, unlike the Seattle 520 floating bridge where they hit you both ways.

Don't give them any ideas.....

6 posted on 01/12/2012 5:05:07 PM PST by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine
I will not be surprised to see it reach $10 at the rate things are going.

Yeah, I can see that too. Its going to hit some people hard.

7 posted on 01/12/2012 5:08:01 PM PST by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
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To: dragonblustar

According to authorities, the tolls will finance a project to widen the Narrows Bridge!


8 posted on 01/12/2012 5:08:17 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: Ironclad

Ping!

Wait until they decide to hit you both ways!


9 posted on 01/12/2012 5:18:46 PM PST by Henchster (Free Republic - the BEST site on the web!)
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To: dragonblustar

That’s mere ‘chump change’.....try NY’s Verrazano bridge toll extortion at $13.00 a pop.


10 posted on 01/12/2012 5:29:42 PM PST by tflabo (Restore the Republic)
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To: dragonblustar
Narrows Bridge trolls poised for big jump? Who cares? Who likes trolls? Let 'em jump!

But . . . will they jump with bungee cords or parachutes? Inquiring minds need to know!

11 posted on 01/12/2012 5:34:02 PM PST by Hawthorn
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To: dragonblustar

Is there a surcharge for not having the bridge collapse in high wind while you’re crossing it?


12 posted on 01/12/2012 5:49:10 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: dragonblustar

I sure hope you IDIOTS that thought that the tolls would ONLY go for the expenses involved with building the bridge are finally GETTING IT.

Once government is permitted to set up a tolling structure on vehicles, they will TOLL THROUGH THE TEETH, many times more than the road (often fully paid off) costs. Why - because people will pay WHATEVER is charged, and IDIOT LIBERTARIANS will call the super-high tolls “market forces”.


13 posted on 01/12/2012 5:51:05 PM PST by BobL ("Heartless" and "Inhumane" FReepers for Cain - we've HAD ENOUGH)
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To: tflabo
Here is something for you to chew on, some statistics on the Verrazano Bridge:

In 2008, about 190,000 vehicles used the bridge per day on average.

As of December 2011, the one-way toll (paid westbound into Staten Island only) in cash is $13 per car or $5.50 per motorcycle. E-ZPass users with transponders issued by the New York E-ZPass Customer Service Center pay $9.60 per car or $4.18 per motorcycle; a five-axle truck pays $70, or $47.26 with NY E-ZPass. Holders of transponders issued elsewhere get no discount

I figure that to a be minimum of 80,000 tolls collected each day at $13+ or $1,040,000/day in toll collections.

14 posted on 01/12/2012 6:25:11 PM PST by Woodman
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To: BobL
If you look at my post 14, you will notice that the Verrazano Bridge in NY alone sucks about 1/2 billion dollars a year out of the economy. If you added all the TBA and PA crossings into the mix, it is probably well over a billion dollars a year being redistributed in the NY metro area.
15 posted on 01/12/2012 6:29:45 PM PST by Woodman
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To: Woodman

“If you look at my post 14, you will notice that the Verrazano Bridge in NY alone sucks about 1/2 billion dollars a year out of the economy. If you added all the TBA and PA crossings into the mix, it is probably well over a billion dollars a year being redistributed in the NY metro area. “

Yea, you don’t have to tell me. Delaware has a 9 mile stretch of Interstate 95, and they collect something like 45 cents per mile on it. If tolls were limited to the cost of highways they would be something like 5 cents per mile (with half of that paying for the tolling system - LOL), at most. Here in Houston, they’re simply open about the fact that Harris County tolls now are used for “high-priority” county projects (i.e., general fund). At 15 cents per mile, they collect WAY MORE money than they ever needed for the highway, even before they paid it off.

It’s just a crying shame that something like half of the FReepers are fine with toll roads, under then DELUSION that the money is used just for that road.

The next step will be mandatory transponders in cars with GPS tracking. I know that Governor Perry has looked into that (but thankfully hasn’t proposed it yet), and that the Libertarians think it’s the greatest thing since sliced bread. The idea that some central authority can locate your vehicle anywhere in the world, charge you mileage fees based on where you drive, what you drive, when you drive, and maybe what you make, just doesn’t seem to raise an eyebrow with them...just as the laws in the early 1930s most likely didn’t bother the Jews that much.


16 posted on 01/12/2012 6:50:20 PM PST by BobL ("Heartless" and "Inhumane" FReepers for Cain - we've HAD ENOUGH)
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To: BobL
Once government is permitted to set up a tolling structure on vehicles, they will TOLL THROUGH THE TEETH, many times more than the road (often fully paid off) costs.

I agree. What ticked me off was the ass sniffing liberals on T.V. saying it was a good idea to raise the costs.

17 posted on 01/12/2012 7:40:29 PM PST by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
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To: SkyDancer
Geez I live there and find I am in amazement at your statements.
18 posted on 01/12/2012 8:10:25 PM PST by Pilated
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To: SkyDancer
Geez I live there and find I am in amazement at your statements.
19 posted on 01/12/2012 8:11:51 PM PST by Pilated
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To: dragonblustar

“I agree. What ticked me off was the ass sniffing liberals on T.V. saying it was a good idea to raise the costs.”

I expect that from them - I’m just surprised they haven’t gotten much further in this Orwellian ‘utopia’. But I don’t conservatives to piss away their privacy and freedom in support of some kind of utopian ‘road management’.

Just like this, NOW people are just starting to figure out just what “Smart Meters” mean for their privacy and freedom...3 years after the Dems got it through in their ‘Stimulus’. At the time, the Dems were suprised that the Republicans rolled over so easy...so I guess when you have IDIOTS as Republican ‘leaders’ you get this crap.


20 posted on 01/12/2012 9:28:04 PM PST by BobL ("Heartless" and "Inhumane" FReepers for Cain - we've HAD ENOUGH)
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To: BobL
I expect that from them - I’m just surprised they haven’t gotten much further in this Orwellian ‘utopia’. But I don’t conservatives to piss away their privacy and freedom in support of some kind of utopian ‘road management’.

Just like this, NOW people are just starting to figure out just what “Smart Meters” mean for their privacy and freedom...3 years after the Dems got it through in their ‘Stimulus’. At the time, the Dems were suprised that the Republicans rolled over so easy...so I guess when you have IDIOTS as Republican ‘leaders’ you get this crap.

I agree.

21 posted on 01/12/2012 9:36:28 PM PST by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
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To: dragonblustar

I thought it fell down?:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mclp9QmCGs


22 posted on 01/12/2012 9:39:24 PM PST by HereInTheHeartland (I love how the FR spellchecker doesn't recognize the word "Obama")
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To: dragonblustar

They should have hired those Publishers Clearing House guys to figure out the payments.


23 posted on 01/12/2012 9:52:02 PM PST by Kickass Conservative (Liberals, Useful Idiots Voting for Useless Idiots...)
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To: dragonblustar

Don’t these idiots realize that by raising the tolls they will further reduce usage, thereby requiring another increase?


24 posted on 01/12/2012 10:11:26 PM PST by paul544
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To: dragonblustar
"instead of the forecasted 16 million,"

Which no doubt was wildly inflated so it would sound better.

Let's see, we also have them demolishing the viaduct and replacing it with a tunnel at the Seattle waterfront. The most expensive of all possible options.

25 posted on 01/12/2012 10:28:56 PM PST by moehoward
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To: Pilated

Why? I read it in the Tacoma News Tribune.


26 posted on 01/13/2012 7:11:59 AM PST by SkyDancer ("If You Want To Learn To Love Better, You Should Start With A Friend Who You Hate")
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