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Mark Steyn: Ron Paul beckons GOP to Fortress America
The Orange County Register ^ | Jan 13, 2012 | Mark Steyn

Posted on 01/13/2012 4:28:27 PM PST by passionfruit

In the 2010 election the New Hampshire Republican Party took 298 out of 400 House seats, 19 out of 24 state Senate seats, and all five seats on the Executive Council. A little over a year later, in the state's presidential primary, the same (more or less) electorate gave over 56 percent of its votes to a couple of moneyed "moderates," one of whom served in the Obama administration and the other of whom left no trace in office other than the pilot program for Obamacare. Another 23 percent voted for Ron Paul. Supporters of the three other "major" candidates in the race argue that, if only the other two fellows would clear off, a viable conservative alternative to Mitt Romney would emerge. In fact, even if you combine Newt Gingrich, Rick Perry and Rick Santorum's share of the vote, it adds up to a mere 19.5 percent: Were Bain Capital to come in and restructure the "conservative" candidates into one streamlined and efficient Newt Perrtorum, this unstoppable force would be competitive with Jon Huntsman.

According to George Mason University's annual survey of Freedom in the 50 States, New Hampshire is the freest state in the union, so one would expect there to be takers for Ron Paul's message. On the other hand, facing a very different electorate in Iowa, Paul pulled pretty much an identical share of the poll. It may be time for those of us on the right to consider whether it's not so much the conservative vote that's split but whether conservativism itself is fracturing.

(Excerpt) Read more at ocregister.com ...


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1 posted on 01/13/2012 4:28:31 PM PST by passionfruit
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To: JLS

For your Mark Steyn Ping list.


2 posted on 01/13/2012 4:30:20 PM PST by passionfruit (When illegals become legal, even they won't do the work Americans won't do)
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To: william Ington

Another Paul bot election troll !!! Deb 28 2011 !!!
Just signed up to peddle the lies and spin of
Your Jew hating 9/11 truther crackpot leader !!!


4 posted on 01/13/2012 4:44:31 PM PST by ncalburt (NO MORE WIMPS need to apply to fight the Soros Funded Puppet !H)
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To: william Ington
Dr. Paul is delivering a great message.

"It's America's fault" is a great message?

5 posted on 01/13/2012 4:55:35 PM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: passionfruit

“Fortress America”

?? That’s not the message I hear from Paul. I hear “Disarmed America.” Sort of a post-WWII Truman quasi-disarmament approach that left us without the hardware to fight the Korean war.

Disarmed America and Fortress America are two very different messages. Disarmed American is stupid and very naive. Fortress America is probably just naive. Fortress America wont work—it will break down as soon as America is attacked. But at least Paul would be trying to defend us.


6 posted on 01/13/2012 4:56:19 PM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: passionfruit
RON PAUL in ‘38! Go gettem Ron! The treaty of Versailles was really mean to the Germans, so if they're taking a little land, it's really the allies fault for being so mean.
7 posted on 01/13/2012 5:03:01 PM PST by throwback ( The object of opening the mind, as of opening the mouth, is to shut it again on something solid)
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To: passionfruit
Read Steyn's piece through to the last sentence.

Brilliant writing. Not altogether clear where he's headed -- but he gets there and it's worth the read.

8 posted on 01/13/2012 5:19:45 PM PST by BfloGuy (The final outcome of the credit expansion is general impoverishment.)
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To: william Ington

Paulbot Zot!


9 posted on 01/13/2012 5:23:21 PM PST by DarthVader (That which supports Barack Hussein Obama must be sterilized and there are NO exceptions!)
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To: william Ington; darkwing104; 50mm; Old Sarge; 230FMJ; A.Hun; abigailsmybaby; AFPhys; Vendome; ...

Paulbot alert, execute General Order 66 and Zot with extreme prejudice!


10 posted on 01/13/2012 5:34:57 PM PST by DarthVader (That which supports Barack Hussein Obama must be sterilized and there are NO exceptions!)
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To: throwback

Since you raise the issue, the U.S. should never have entered WWI. The legacies of the war were the rise of Hitler, and never-repealed war socialism here in the U.S.


11 posted on 01/13/2012 5:41:22 PM PST by oblomov
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To: william Ington
Talking RuPaulish
12 posted on 01/13/2012 5:51:12 PM PST by 50mm (Trust nobody and you'll never be disappointed.)
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To: ModelBreaker
I have read the books of philosophy that inform Pauls thinking.

Not Fortress America
Not Disarm America

Rather take care of business at home and be open to all trade but no alliances. Defense is rapid and deadly...aimed at heads of state, heads of power who try to attack.

For more info I recommend:
http://www.bluestockingpress.com/
http://www.chaostan.com/

13 posted on 01/13/2012 5:56:19 PM PST by Chickensoup (In the 20th century 200 million people were killed by their own governments.)
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To: ncalburt
The lesson of WWII is that we had to establish martial law for some time in the countries we defeated.

If we are unwilling, or politically unable, to do that now then we shouldn't get into any wars in the future.

If we had gone into Iraq with the 300,000 troops we needed, kept the Iraqi army in tact, and established a military dictatorship until the Iraqis had learned to live with each other, then the sacrifice would have made sense.

But political correctness will forever prevent us from being able to establish military dictatorships for the time necessary to humble our foes.

If we can't win wars, then we should shift to a tactic that seems to be working OK for the Israelis: tit for tat. Any time some group or country hits us, we hit them harder. No more wars, just limited engagements.

14 posted on 01/13/2012 6:05:14 PM PST by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: TheOldLady; Rummyfan; Howlin; riley1992; Miss Marple; Dane; sinkspur; steve; kattracks; ...

Mark Steyn ping.

Freepmail me, if you want on or off the Mark Steyn ping list.

Thanks for the ping passionfruit.


15 posted on 01/13/2012 7:09:55 PM PST by JLS (How to turn a recession into a depression: elect a Dem president with a big majorities in Congress)
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To: passionfruit
You know what gets me about this guy, the fact is, that you can make a GREAT argument FOR isolationism, FOR a Fortress America, FOR a less extensive foreign policy. But Why oh WHY do these crackpots have to go down the "Blame America First" road? There is NO need for that, and the fact that they go there is very, VERY telling.

I voted for Ron Paul years ago for president, and I am glad I did, it was a protest vote against the powers that be. But I would never vote for that guy again. He has lot me with that line of thinking and spouting.

16 posted on 01/13/2012 8:00:48 PM PST by Paradox (The rich SHOULD be paying more taxes, and they WOULD, if they could make more money.)
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To: passionfruit

Off the topic of discussion - why does little New Hampsire have 400 house seats? That is more than any other state by a big margin.
juss askin’.


17 posted on 01/13/2012 8:14:32 PM PST by 1FreeAmerican
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

Bingo. If we aren’t willing to completely crush a country and run things for a generation or so to get the population retrained the way Mark Clark did in Germany and MacArthur did in Japan, then it’s punitive actions only and get the heck out. The limited wars over the last 60 years have not been good for our country, and especially these two in Iraq and Afghanistan. Meals on wheels for Islamic savages is not a smart move.


18 posted on 01/14/2012 3:58:34 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: ncalburt

Did you read the whole article before hacking off? Too many lazy Freepers. (And I’m sure the first thing you did after reading this was to check how long I’ve been here, as if that many jack sh!t.)


19 posted on 01/14/2012 4:23:50 AM PST by PjhCPA (Game On!)
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To: JLS

Put me on the Steyn ping list. He ranks up there with VDH.


20 posted on 01/14/2012 4:25:24 AM PST by PjhCPA (Game On!)
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To: FreedomPoster
Meals on wheels for Islamic savages is not a smart move.

Agreed. Our military should have one purpose and that is to kill countries or entities that attack us or our allies and break all their stuff. Screw this nation building crap. It hasn't worked in 60 years, largely because we don't know how to do it.

Look at Iraq. We aren't even really gone yet and they're already back to killing each other. Ef the lot of them. Either we utterly destroy enemies and those who support them (Saudi Arabia, are you listening?) or we stay the hell out of it.

The US Navy can keep the sea lanes open, that's a vital US interest. But these endless wars with nebulous definitions of victory have to stop. We can't afford them and those savages over their aren't worth another single drop of American blood or another single American nickle.

American foreign policy should be "screw with us and you die". And that doesn't mean privates and corporals, that means the political leadership. Attack America, American interests, or American treaty partners and it's mushroom cloud city.

L

21 posted on 01/14/2012 7:02:23 AM PST by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: 1FreeAmerican

He is talking about the New Hampshire state house of reps. Not the federal. They only have 2 reps, and 2 senators in congress.


22 posted on 01/14/2012 7:34:16 AM PST by passionfruit (When illegals become legal, even they won't do the work Americans won't do)
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To: Lurker

I would disagree. We know how to do it, we did it with Germany and Japan, and what man has done, man can aspire to do.

But we have thrown out reality for a bunch of feelgood politically correct nonsense, and the populace has been dumbed down to buy it all.


23 posted on 01/14/2012 10:03:19 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: passionfruit

http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/New_Hampshire_House_of_Representatives_elections,_2012


24 posted on 01/14/2012 10:57:11 AM PST by 1FreeAmerican
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To: passionfruit
Again just wondering why such a small state has so many state reps. California has 80. Texas - 150. Quite alot of representation. Maybe that's why it is the freeist state.
25 posted on 01/14/2012 11:06:27 AM PST by 1FreeAmerican
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To: Chickensoup

“Defense is rapid and deadly...aimed at heads of state, heads of power who try to attack.”

As I said, “naive.”


26 posted on 01/14/2012 7:08:16 PM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: ModelBreaker
As I said, “naive.”

____________________________

I don't think so, this is the focus of our special forces today. Not naive, but the response of people who know guerrilla warfare. Welcome to Modern Times.

27 posted on 01/15/2012 6:51:42 PM PST by Chickensoup (In the 20th century 200 million people were killed by their own governments.)
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To: DarthVader

Am I too late for the ZOT? I have missed so many of them lately.


28 posted on 01/15/2012 7:35:43 PM PST by Eagle of Liberty (Shaking My Head on a daily basis)
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To: Eagle of Liberty

Yes you were. We have been having a regular shooting gallery around here lately.


29 posted on 01/15/2012 7:40:29 PM PST by DarthVader (That which supports Barack Hussein Obama must be sterilized and there are NO exceptions!)
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To: passionfruit
Superb Steyn, as usual.

Fighting politically correct wars leads us inevitably to politically correct failures.

30 posted on 01/16/2012 8:51:46 AM PST by Gritty ("Fortress America" is less a fortress than a state of denial - Mark Steyn)
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To: Lurker
Agreed. Our military should have one purpose and that is to kill countries or entities that attack us or our allies and break all their stuff. Screw this nation building crap. It hasn't worked in 60 years, largely because we don't know how to do it.

Be careful, you might get branded a "Paulbot" and ridiculed as an "isolationist" because you don't want US troops spread across 135 nations around the globe.

31 posted on 01/16/2012 5:18:24 PM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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