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'Dude, Where's My Lifeboat?'
NRO ^ | 1/17/2012 | Rich Lowry

Posted on 01/17/2012 8:36:16 PM PST by Patrick1

When they make the movie about the Costa Concordia, the cruise ship that grounded off the coast of Tuscany, there won’t be romantic tales about its captain. Italian authorities immediately arrested him on suspicions of manslaughter and abandoning ship prematurely. He might have been the skipper of the ill-fated vessel in all senses of the word.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: costaconcordia; hopeandchange
Courage, Honor and Chivalry in the age of Obama.
1 posted on 01/17/2012 8:36:29 PM PST by Patrick1
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To: Patrick1

Just hypothetically speaking, in the age of complete equality what justification is there for letting women go first? Isn’t this actually an insult to their sex?


2 posted on 01/17/2012 8:52:49 PM PST by DManA
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To: DManA

When there’s 200 people on a ship...fine. When there’s 4000...the object is to keep order...not line up by sex...


3 posted on 01/17/2012 8:55:50 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Sacajaweau

I really wonder how I would have acted if I’d been on that ship. I think I’d have put my life jacket on and made a swim for shore.


4 posted on 01/17/2012 8:59:31 PM PST by DManA
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To: DManA

I would agree, but it doesn’t explain the treatment of the children.


5 posted on 01/17/2012 9:04:55 PM PST by Patrick1 (" Let's all pray Kim Kardashian's divorce won't have an impact on her craft.")
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To: Patrick1

Of course children have to be THE priority.


6 posted on 01/17/2012 9:06:43 PM PST by DManA
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To: Patrick1
This Captain is a real class act.


7 posted on 01/17/2012 9:25:35 PM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: Lazlo in PA

Unless you’ve been tested you really don’t know what your made of.


8 posted on 01/17/2012 9:29:46 PM PST by DManA
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To: DManA

Well it would appear that Captain Spaghetti of the SS Upside Down is made of some very weak and brittle material.


9 posted on 01/17/2012 9:38:14 PM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: Lazlo in PA

This is a frascinating question to me. Someone was charged with the responsibility of picking someone to take charge of a half $billion mobile asset. I wonder if it was my job how would I make that decision?

Have him take psychological tests? Have psychiatrists interviews him? What did they do?


10 posted on 01/17/2012 9:47:12 PM PST by DManA
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To: DManA

I would like to know the same thing. I know that the crew is populated with ne’er do wells and miscreants judging by some of the stories you hear coming from these cruises, but the Captain is supposed to be a top man. From reading the transcript of the Coast Guard trying to get this Captain to collect himself and get back on board to help save lives and the footage of this guy making dangerous grand stand maneuvers with the vessel, one can see he was lacking in the responsibility needed to keep passengers safe.


11 posted on 01/17/2012 9:56:01 PM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: Patrick1
I would agree, but it doesn’t explain the treatment of the children.

Did you mean to say:

I would agree, but it doesn’t explain the treatment of the children burdens.

12 posted on 01/17/2012 10:03:08 PM PST by null and void (Day 1092 of America's ObamaVacation from reality [Heroes aren't made, Frank, they're cornered...])
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To: DManA
Just hypothetically speaking, in the age of complete equality what justification is there for letting women go first? Isn’t this actually an insult to their sex?

I suppose so. Hypothetically speaking. As someone who has been chewed out for opening a door for a female I mistook for a woman. I suppose it could happen. Theoretically.

13 posted on 01/17/2012 10:06:50 PM PST by null and void (Day 1092 of America's ObamaVacation from reality [Heroes aren't made, Frank, they're cornered...])
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To: All

14 posted on 01/17/2012 10:30:39 PM PST by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: Patrick1

Here in the US,the Coast Guard requires life boat drills before the ship sets sail. I read reports that this ship planned to do it after leaving port.


15 posted on 01/17/2012 10:43:53 PM PST by razorback-bert (Some days it's not worth chewing through the straps.)
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To: Lazlo in PA

“I know that the crew is populated with ne’er do wells and miscreants judging by some of the stories you hear coming from these cruise”

Either that, or the cruise lines are taking on high school kids part time to pilot cruise ships during holiday break.

Fox News (Cavuto) played this little piece of telephone dialogue between the captain and the port authority:

Port Authority: Go, call me when you are on board. My air and rescue team is there. He is at the bow. Get going. There are already corses. Move!

Captain Schettino: How many dead are there?

Port Authority: I don’t know. One I am aware of. You need to be telling me this. Christ!

Captain Schettino: But are you aware that it is dark and we can’t see anything?

Port Authority: And what do you want? To go back home Schettino? It’s dark and you want to go back home? Get on the bow of the ship and tell me what can be done, and how many there are, and what they need. Now!


16 posted on 01/17/2012 11:38:06 PM PST by haroldeveryman
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To: Patrick1; Travis McGee
i think one can rightly claim that the quality of ship captains closely apes the same nationality of whichever ships classification system is supported
british lloyds...norske veritas...deutsche lloyds...nedlloyd...and the rare vessel with US class

all have the best and most reliable captains regs too

anyone Captain who got his docs from the Brits..Norway...Dutch...German...or the US unlimited tonnage with passengers is likely to be on par same as the respective ships class

Italian class...Italian captain...nuff said

17 posted on 01/17/2012 11:53:17 PM PST by wardaddy (I am a social conservative. My political party left me(again). They can go to hell in a bucket.)
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To: Patrick1

In the captain’s defense, maybe he doesn’t know how to swim.


18 posted on 01/18/2012 12:12:19 AM PST by Razzz42
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To: Patrick1

Women and children first is GONE....thanks to the feminists who wanted to be treated EXACTLY like men.....well, this is what happens.


19 posted on 01/18/2012 1:34:37 AM PST by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Patrick1

Children are now just chattel to be ABORTED.......this is the result of that.


20 posted on 01/18/2012 1:35:42 AM PST by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Lazlo in PA

Been on dozens of cruises, and the crews have always been friendly and VERY HARD WORKING for the most part.


21 posted on 01/18/2012 1:37:00 AM PST by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: DManA

This was an Italian cruise ship. I doubt seriously if any psychological tests were offered to him. They probably had him walk in with a suit on....make sure he looks like a fancy cruise captain, can dance, and can drink with the best of them. You would find a more responsible captain onboard a Mobile shrimp boat, and that’s a sad thing.

My suggestion is to require the first officer to have a pistol and if necessary...shoot the captain in the leg if he shows any weakness...just to encourage him to act the way he’s supposed to act.


22 posted on 01/18/2012 2:48:17 AM PST by pepsionice
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To: haroldeveryman
As you can see or guess from the photos, the Captain can see and tell more from the shore.

The idea that the Captain should be counting bodies at that point in time is ridiculous.

I think you're going to find a totally different story as this progresses.

Had the Captain not grounded this ship AFTER hitting rocks....miles before....and run it out to sea, that ship would have sunk a lot quicker.

23 posted on 01/18/2012 5:01:25 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Lazlo in PA

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20001567-503544.html

Rep. Hank Johnson (D-Ga.) is raising some eyebrows with a comment he made about the U.S. territory of Guam during a House Armed Services Committee hearing last Thursday.

In a discussion regarding a planned military buildup on the Pacific island, Johnson expressed some concerns about the plans to Adm. Robert Willard, head of the U.S. Pacific fleet.

“My fear is that the whole island will become so overly populated that it will tip over and capsize,” Johnson said.

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The SS Upside Down is the size of an island. I believe this is what happened to Captain Spaghetti of the SS Upside Down…Too many people. Doesn’t it make sense now? : )

The SS Upside Down just went BLOOP! and went over like a roach on its back.


24 posted on 01/18/2012 5:42:33 AM PST by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer) (Y)
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To: Sacajaweau

Yep.


25 posted on 01/18/2012 6:04:03 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Patrick1

More appropriate: Dude, where is my life jacket?

Watching this tragedy, I see something really wrong here:

Life Jackets stored & only available in staterooms are a death trap! Going back to your stateroom to get your life jacket can kill you! Getting to your cabin to get your life jacket may be impossible.

In a ship of such large size & with so many passengers & crew, it makes no sense in an emergency to tell them to go to their cabins to retrieve their life jacket. This becomes instant chaos as 4000+ terrified people all dash for their cabins. And while in their cabins, people are inclined to waste critical time collecting personal belongings.

It seems more logical to store the life jackets on open decks, to be dispensed to anyone who comes on deck. In an emergency, passengers & crew should immediately go to an open deck & get a life vest. Being on an open deck is far safer than being inside the ship, life jacket or not.


26 posted on 01/18/2012 6:19:54 AM PST by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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The latest: Costa Concordia: captain ‘says he tripped and fell into lifeboat’

Mr Schettino told investigating magistrates in Grosseto, on the Italian mainland, that he ended up in the lifeboat by accident.

During three hours of interrogation on Tuesday, he reportedly said: “The passengers were pouring onto the decks, taking the lifeboats by assault. I didn’t even have a life jacket because I had given it to one of the passengers. I was trying to get people to get into the boats in an orderly fashion. Suddenly, since the ship was at a 60 to 70 degree angle, I tripped and I ended up in one of the boats. That’s how I found myself there.”

27 posted on 01/18/2012 7:00:11 AM PST by Daffynition (When I was a chiId was told that anybody could become President; I'm beginning to believe it)
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To: Daffynition
Mr Schettino told investigating magistrates in Grosseto, on the Italian mainland, that he ended up in the lifeboat by accident.

Sheesh. You'll find this guy's picture in future dictionaries next to the word "pathetic".

28 posted on 01/18/2012 8:16:33 AM PST by transducer
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To: Sacajaweau

“I think you’re going to find a totally different story as this progresses.”

Thanks. This could be interesting.


29 posted on 01/18/2012 2:39:44 PM PST by haroldeveryman
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To: Daffynition
The passengers were pouring onto the decks, taking the lifeboats by assault. I didn’t even have a life jacket because I had given it to one of the passengers. I was trying to get people to get into the boats in an orderly fashion. Suddenly, since the ship was at a 60 to 70 degree angle, I tripped and I ended up in one of the boats. That’s how I found myself there.”


30 posted on 01/18/2012 2:45:31 PM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: dead
HAHAHA!


31 posted on 01/18/2012 2:49:19 PM PST by Daffynition (When I was a chiId was told that anybody could become President; I'm beginning to believe it)
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To: DManA
I really wonder how I would have acted if I’d been on that ship. I think I’d have put my life jacket on and made a swim for shore.

The water temperature was reportedly 57F. That is rather cold. Only a strong swimmer could safely make that trip. A few people did it.

It would not have been my first choice.

32 posted on 01/18/2012 2:52:55 PM PST by flamberge (What next?)
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To: DManA

“All societies are based on rules to protect pregnant women and young children. All else is surplusage, excrescence, adornment, luxury, or folly, which can — and must — be dumped in emergency to preserve this prime function. As racial survival is the only universal morality, no other basic is possible. Attempts to formulate a “perfect society” on any foundation other than “Women and children first!” is not only witless, it is automatically genocidal.”
- Heinlein


33 posted on 01/18/2012 3:01:27 PM PST by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com/)
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To: ctdonath2
Common sense says anyone that has a child goes first.

The idea of wives leaving their husbands (or whatever) to be first off is ridiculous.

34 posted on 01/18/2012 4:07:54 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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