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Red Tails: Film Review [Hollywood re-writes history again!]
The Hollywood Reporter ^ | 7:53 PM PST 1/18/2012 | Todd McCarthy

Posted on 01/19/2012 6:23:52 AM PST by Bender2

Red Tails: Film Review
7:53 PM PST 1/18/2012 by Todd McCarthy

The Bottom Line: Action-and-effects version of the Tuskegee airmen's story flies only when it's off the ground.

The George Lucas-produced labor of love stars Cuba Gooding Jr. and Terrence Howard as Tuskegee airmen in World War II.

The experience of black American aviators in World War II gets a whitewash in Red Tails. The story of the 996 pilots (and some 15,000 ground personnel) who distinguished themselves in the air in the face of institutional racism is a great one and, at least, will come to the attention of more people due to this long-gestating project from Lucasfilm. But every character here is so squeaky clean, and the prejudice as depicted is so toothless and easily overcome, that the film feels like a gingerly fantasy version of what, in real life, was an exceptional example of resilient trail-blazing. The tale's considerable built-in inspirational value will move and impress black audiences of all ages and would do the same to a wider public if sufficiently promoted, but the determinedly simplistic approach will curtail interest among any viewers hungry for some real history. The anticipated low interest level for this material overseas is cited as a major reason the project took so long to get off the ground.

A key signal of how much you can trust any contemporary movie about either of the 20th century's world wars is how, and even if, it depicts smoking; if, like this one, it buckles to current fashion and scarcely depicts soldiers smoking at all in a period when cigarettes were part of ration kits, then it's frankly not to be trusted in any other respect either.

(Excerpt) Read more at hollywoodreporter.com ...


TOPICS: History; Military/Veterans; TV/Movies
KEYWORDS: airmen; godsgravesglyphs; tuskegee; worldwareleven
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Nowadays, Hollywood cannot be trusted... to show anything historically correct--
1 posted on 01/19/2012 6:24:00 AM PST by Bender2
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To: Allegra; big'ol_freeper; Lil'freeper; TrueKnightGalahad; blackie; Cincinatus' Wife; Larry Lucido; ..
Was going to see this next Monday... but I'll go see Haywire instead--

If I may paraphrase the reviewer... this film gives 'whitewash' a totally new meaning!

2 posted on 01/19/2012 6:25:27 AM PST by Bender2 ("I've got a twisted sense of humor, and everything amuses me." RAH Beyond this Horizon)
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To: Bender2

I’m not trying to diminish the contribution of these brave men, but they’ve already made a movie about the Tuskeegee Airmen. I believe it came out in 1995 which is fairly recent.


3 posted on 01/19/2012 6:28:18 AM PST by VA_Gentleman ("Poor Al Gore. Global warming completely debunked via the very internet you invented." -Jon Stewart)
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To: Bender2

I heard Lucas in an interview about this film and he was quite honest: (summary) “this is for the 10-year-old in me: it is about fast planes and cool dogfights. Yes, the racism story is interesting but I just use it as a platform for the fun stuff.”

Remember folks, Han shot first...


4 posted on 01/19/2012 6:28:53 AM PST by freedumb2003 (Spoiler Alert! The secret to Terra Nova: THEY ARE ALL DEAD!!!)
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To: Bender2
The anticipated low interest level for this material overseas is cited as a major reason the project took so long to get off the ground.

What? I thought every country loved watching movies about how racist white people are!

5 posted on 01/19/2012 6:33:49 AM PST by Junior_G (Funny how liberals' love affair with Muslims began on 9/11)
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To: Bender2

Any movies about the brave men who fought in the Korean War?


6 posted on 01/19/2012 6:34:29 AM PST by ConservativeStatement (Obama "acted stupidly.")
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To: Bender2
I will see any WWII movie that comes out. I even went to see "The Thin Red Line" and wanted that particular two hours of my life back.

I think I'll miss this one. Unless the reviews change my opinion, it appears to me that the only thing that this movie has in common with history is the actors were black.

Honestly, I think that it looks pretty disrespectful to the *real* Tuskeegee Airmen.

7 posted on 01/19/2012 6:34:29 AM PST by wbill
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To: freedumb2003
I heard Lucas in an interview about this film and he was quite honest: (summary) “this is for the 10-year-old in me...

I think all Lucas' films are made for ten-year-olds.

8 posted on 01/19/2012 6:35:01 AM PST by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: Bender2

Another movie about evil white racists....

I gotta say, I just don’t care anymore. Seriously. I’m burned out on it. Take your little racism theme I’m supposed to feel guilty about and shove it.

And after watching the RedLetterMedia reviews of Star Wars, I won’t ever knowingly step within a block of any movie theater screening a Lucas project. The man’s an epic moron.

Very successful....but amazingly stupid.


9 posted on 01/19/2012 6:35:45 AM PST by Psycho_Bunny
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To: freedumb2003

Yeah, and from the teasers on TV those planes don’t look like P-47’s either.


10 posted on 01/19/2012 6:36:02 AM PST by OKSooner (Today's new tagline. Tomorrow's new tagline pending.)
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To: Bender2

“Yes, the racism story is interesting..”

####

Yes, whites just adore being beaten over the head daily with the “racism” sledgehammer.

Its a gas.


11 posted on 01/19/2012 6:38:10 AM PST by EyeGuy (2012: When the Levee Breaks)
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To: wbill

I agree with you on both movies. Thin Red Line was terrible.


12 posted on 01/19/2012 6:38:25 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer ("Climate Change" my a.... All weather is local.)
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To: VA_Gentleman

—I’m not trying to diminish the contribution of these brave men, but they’ve already made a movie about the Tuskeegee Airmen.—

I own it. It’s pretty good but comes off a little like a TV movie. I saw the previews to this one and I really want to see it, but just for the flying scenes. I’ve been a huge WWII air war buff since the late 1960’s and have spent thousands of hours on internet WWII simulators, flying pretty much everything every used in the war from every country.

I’ve learned to not expect Hollywood to get it right. I mean, in Gone With the Wind, the women of the civil war had 1930’s hairstyles..

I saw a poster for this movie a couple weeks ago and saw the mustang with a red tail and said to my wife, “must be about the Tuskegee Airmen.”

I’ll wait for it to come out on Blue Ray at redbox before I watch it though. I’ve discovered the movies are actually BETTER at home now then at the theater.


13 posted on 01/19/2012 6:39:23 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: wbill

The promos for the movie are insulting enough.The movie looks like a video game.


14 posted on 01/19/2012 6:39:47 AM PST by Dr. Ursus
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To: OKSooner

I think they started with P47 but ended flying P51s.
I also seem to remember they never lost any bomber they were escorting.
There is a reference to “squeak clean”, personally I don’t think any fly boys in WWII were squeaky clean.


15 posted on 01/19/2012 6:41:45 AM PST by svcw (For the new year: you better toughen up, if you are going to continue to be stupid.)
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To: OKSooner

I am surprised Hollywood did not put them in jets.


16 posted on 01/19/2012 6:42:07 AM PST by Freedumb
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To: Bender2

Sounds to me like if you treat this like you would watching your typical 80’s action film with Arnold or Bruce Willis in it, you’ll like it.


17 posted on 01/19/2012 6:42:33 AM PST by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: FlingWingFlyer
I agree with you on both movies. Thin Red Line was terrible.

I've never regretted sitting through an entire movie more than I did when I watched The Thin Red Line. It was like watching war through the eyes of a high school art fag.

18 posted on 01/19/2012 6:43:51 AM PST by Junior_G (Funny how liberals' love affair with Muslims began on 9/11)
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To: OKSooner
Yeah, and from the teasers on TV those planes don’t look like P-47’s either.

They flew those, but were more closely associated with the P-51. The planes in the trailers appear to be the P-51D variant, which I what I've always associated with the Red Tails.

19 posted on 01/19/2012 6:46:01 AM PST by IYAS9YAS (Rose, there's a Messerschmitt in the kitchen. Clean it up, will ya?)
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To: wbill
Re: I will see any WWII movie that comes out. I even went to see "The Thin Red Line" and wanted that particular two hours of my life back.

Gadzooks, wbill! How can... you say that???

When the heroic left handed lefty George Clooney... appeared in the last reel to save the day and now that we mention it, pick up a very healthy paycheck?

20 posted on 01/19/2012 6:47:49 AM PST by Bender2 ("I've got a twisted sense of humor, and everything amuses me." RAH Beyond this Horizon)
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To: Dr. Ursus
The movie looks like a video game.

Given how long CGI has been around, I always thought they'd have improved it by now to the point where it no longer looked like CGI. I was wrong.

21 posted on 01/19/2012 6:50:20 AM PST by Junior_G (Funny how liberals' love affair with Muslims began on 9/11)
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To: Bender2

Why, with the timing of this movie, you’d almost suspect we had a black Democrat running for re-election.


22 posted on 01/19/2012 6:51:04 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Bender2

It looks like a full length version of the History Channel’s “Dogfights”. I wonder if they will portray the Germans as 20 yr. olds with about 40 hrs of flying time? Would they have survived against Hartmann?


23 posted on 01/19/2012 6:51:30 AM PST by Bringbackthedraft ( WHO YOU ELECT IS NOT AS IMPORTANT AS WHO THEY APPOINT!)
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To: VA_Gentleman
I was honored to have known one of the Tuskeegee Airmen, who was a member of my VFW lodge. He has now passed away. I think
Doesn't bother me one bit about them making a second movie about them. How many movies did they make about D-day, or Peal Harbor, or many of the other battles of WWII. Some good some bad.
I think I will like the original Tuskeegee Airmen movie better, only because from what I see in the trailer, of this new one it looks a little too CG. Still I will never pass up a good war movie even if the story has been done.
24 posted on 01/19/2012 6:53:38 AM PST by NavyCanDo
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To: ConservativeStatement

“Any movies about the brave men who fought in the Korean War?”

One day I was scrounging around in the bargain video bin at Wal-Mart. I found and bought a Korean War video. It was about artillery spotting aircraft (L17? L19?) My favorite part is where a young impetuous pilot wants to strike back at the enemy. He lashes some bazookas onto the wing strut so he can take out a tank.

The Red Chinese in the movie fly P-51 Mustangs. Can’t remember the title. I’ll have to look it up when I get home.


25 posted on 01/19/2012 6:53:38 AM PST by CFIIIMEIATP737
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To: Bender2
EVERY REVIEW of this film should include at least a nod to the following troubling event.

A few months after Obama usurped the Office, he ordered a terror attack by Air Force One upon downtown Manhattan.

The purpose? Almost certainly it was related to this film.

See comment from "mm" at Althouse blog: May 10, 2009

26 posted on 01/19/2012 6:54:33 AM PST by bvw
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To: FlingWingFlyer

I saw the trailer for “Red Tails” in the theater, and knowing nothing about the airplanes of the era, I wondered if those types of planes would be capable of the speed and maneuvering depicted in the film.
Other than that, it looked pretty terrible.
Too bad, because those men deserve so much better.


27 posted on 01/19/2012 6:56:25 AM PST by Radagast the Fool ("Be Brave! Be Brave! Be Brave!" -"War Horse")
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To: Bender2
"Thin Red Line" is what you get when a bunch of Anti-American, Military-Hating Leftists make a war movie about what they think the military is really like.

:-)

However, occasionally, Hollywood gets it right.

I was reading about "A Bridge Too Far" (good flick, if you've not seen it). Michael Caine played the Colonel who was leading the initial attack. The scene before the attack had him making this "rah rah, three cheers for the home team, go out and kill some Nazis" chest-thumping type speech to the troops.

Fortunately, the *real* Colonel (Col. J.O.E. Vandeleur) was on set that day, and Caine asked him what he really said before the attack. A plain, straightforward "OK, Let's Go", or somesuch, was the answer. And, that's what made it into the movie.

So, occasionally, Hollywood gets it right. At least, by accident. :-)

28 posted on 01/19/2012 6:58:11 AM PST by wbill
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To: Bender2
A key signal of how much you can trust any contemporary movie about either of the 20th century's world wars is how, and even if, it depicts smoking; if, like this one, it buckles to current fashion and scarcely depicts soldiers smoking at all in a period when cigarettes were part of ration kits, then it's frankly not to be trusted in any other respect either.

The writer has a valid point.
29 posted on 01/19/2012 7:03:41 AM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: Psycho_Bunny

Racism did exist in the armed forces; it was part of the background of society at the time, though it probably wasn’t malevolent. I know my uncles, who were all vets (Army Ranger, Merchant Marine, and two Army Air Force), had attitudes running that way when I talked to them after the war. It wasn’t intentional; no one knew different then.


30 posted on 01/19/2012 7:06:09 AM PST by GAB-1955 (I write books, serve my country, love my wife and daughter, and believe in the Resurrection.)
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To: Bender2

I knew this movie was BS when they had the trailer showing the P-51 Mustangs flying around the B-17s shooting at the Luftwaffe planes. The escort pilots learned quickly that the gunners in the B-17s would shoot at anything so the escorts never went into the actual bomber formations.


31 posted on 01/19/2012 7:06:43 AM PST by C19fan
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To: ConservativeStatement

The Korean War? You mean the one where they drank Martinis and chased Nurses named Hot Lips?

Dad was in the 25th Tropic Lightning at the Yalu River.


32 posted on 01/19/2012 7:06:55 AM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Bender2

Is it a hollywood movie produced to generate revenue or a documentary?


33 posted on 01/19/2012 7:08:05 AM PST by stuartcr ("In this election year of 12, how deep into their closets will we delve?")
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To: Bender2

You have to understand- Lucas is the King of PC. He is also a perpetual 10 year old, mentally, albeit one with billions. The man is pathologically immature and is surrounded by ‘yes’ men . He WON’T grow up and he’s pushing 70. Adult maturity is foreign to him- adult themes are ‘icky’. At least he didn’t WRITE any of this film, did he? If so- it’s doomed.
Oh- Lucas also announced hes retiring from filmmaking. Thank the Maker- hopefully he won’t trash the SW universe anymore!


34 posted on 01/19/2012 7:08:59 AM PST by ClearBlueSky (Whenever someone says it's not about Islam-it's about Islam. Jesus loves you, Allah wants you dead!)
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To: massgopguy
About three years ago, I spoke to someone who told me she was a school teacher who taught American history. I asked her about recent events or even the 20th century. She told me current issues were avoided. WW2 was discussed. WW1, not so much. I asked her about the Korean War and was told “We focus on American history...” Um, got it! From there, I think we spoke of the weather and what a lovely summer day we enjoyed.
35 posted on 01/19/2012 7:14:04 AM PST by ConservativeStatement (Obama "acted stupidly.")
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To: OKSooner; svcw; IYAS9YAS
Re: OKSooner's Yeah, and from the teasers on TV those planes don’t look like P-47’s either. svcw's I think they started with P47 but ended flying P51s. and IYAS9YAS's They flew those, but were more closely associated with the P-51.

If my memory serves me correctly, the Tuskegee Airmen started out flying Curtiss P-40 Warhawks...

Then briefly with Bell P-39 Airacobras...

Very briefly with Republic P-47 Thunderbolts...

And finally with North American A-36 Apache (listed in some sources as "Invader") the ground-attack/dive bomber version of the P-51...

And finally with the P-51-D Mustang...

But then again, why quote history... when Hollywood and George Lucas knows best?

36 posted on 01/19/2012 7:14:49 AM PST by Bender2 ("I've got a twisted sense of humor, and everything amuses me." RAH Beyond this Horizon)
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To: Bender2

I’ll probably wait for the movie to come to Netflix, but the Hollywood Reporter’s issues with historical correctness seem rather nitpicky to me.

There is smoking, but not enough and the wrong kind of smoking? If that is worst historical inaccuracy in the film, it is probably the most accurate film in history.


37 posted on 01/19/2012 7:14:58 AM PST by Above My Pay Grade
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To: ConservativeStatement

Nowadays the only thing they teach about WWII is Hiroshima, Nagasaki and Dresden.


38 posted on 01/19/2012 7:15:36 AM PST by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: Psycho_Bunny

What was the conent of the review? I would be interesting in reading it.


39 posted on 01/19/2012 7:16:18 AM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: Psycho_Bunny

What was the conent of the review? I would be interested in reading it.


40 posted on 01/19/2012 7:16:28 AM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: blueunicorn6

“...you’d almost suspect we had a black Democrat running for re-election....”

I wonder when the first flick about that disaster will come out and how accurate it will be.


41 posted on 01/19/2012 7:16:38 AM PST by NCC-1701 (In Memphis on January 20, 2009, pump price were $1.49. We all know what happened after that.)
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To: cuban leaf
"I’ve discovered the movies are actually BETTER at home now then at the theater."

What? How could not like the constant buzz of cell phones, the migrating light of smart pones, the constant conversations of rude patrons, crying babies, coughing and hacking sick people and the occasional outburst of violence?

42 posted on 01/19/2012 7:17:13 AM PST by Baynative (The penalty for not participating in politics is you will be governed by your inferiors.)
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To: Bender2

It can’t possibly be as bad as U-571, I mean Jon Bon Jovi???? Really?!?!?!


43 posted on 01/19/2012 7:17:54 AM PST by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: wbill

The great British actor Christopher Lee, who often played Dracula, was an RAF fighter pilot in the Battle of Britain. He auditioned for the movie “The Battle of Britain” and was rejected as being “too tall to be a pilot.”


44 posted on 01/19/2012 7:19:32 AM PST by LS
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To: GAB-1955
Racism did exist in the armed forces; it was part of the background of society at the time, though it probably wasn’t malevolent. I know my uncles, who were all vets (Army Ranger, Merchant Marine, and two Army Air Force), had attitudes running that way when I talked to them after the war. It wasn’t intentional; no one knew different then.

"It was a different time, you understand." - Wallace "Suitcase" Jefferson

45 posted on 01/19/2012 7:20:15 AM PST by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: dfwgator

quote-Nowadays the only thing they teach about WWII is Hiroshima, Nagasaki and Dresden.-end quote

How true. And, of course, it was those nasty, rich, racist, old white men who were responsible and, of course, “war criminal” Harry Truman.


46 posted on 01/19/2012 7:22:21 AM PST by Radagast the Fool ("Be Brave! Be Brave! Be Brave!" -"War Horse")
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To: Bender2

The trailer for the movie that I see on TV has killed the movie for me.

According to the trailer, the only people fighting were the Red Tails. They saved America.

Their actual contributions were great, but this movie appears to be a travesty.


47 posted on 01/19/2012 7:23:31 AM PST by Venturer
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To: dfwgator
Liberals dominate pop culture and the education system. It's a deadly mixture of brainwashing. It's nauseating enough to so many yoots who can't get through a sentence without saying “like” a minimum of three times.
48 posted on 01/19/2012 7:24:29 AM PST by ConservativeStatement (Obama "acted stupidly.")
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To: Bender2

will george lucas follow the path of speilberg and change history to have airplanes with wing mounted walkie talkies?


49 posted on 01/19/2012 7:25:28 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Venturer
According to the trailer, the only people fighting were the Red Tails. They saved America.

Them and of course, the Red Army.

50 posted on 01/19/2012 7:25:51 AM PST by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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