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Adultery was his thing Harry Mount reviews John F. Kennedy by Robert Dallek
the Telegraph ^ | 31 Aug 2003 | Harry Mount

Posted on 01/22/2012 2:51:32 AM PST by RC one

We all know that JFK was a ladies' man but it's never boring to remind ourselves quite how many ladies the man had, continuously - he told Harold Macmillan he got a headache if he didn't go to bed with someone once every three days - and from a young age.

Here he is at 19, writing to a friend about how his father's private secretary had, on a holiday in Cape Cod, "got us some girls thru another guy - four of us had dates and one guy got f---ed 3 times, another guy 3 times (the girl a virgin!) plus myself twice."

After he married, the compulsion for quick, random sex continued unabated. A woman friend said he was as "compulsive as Mussolini. Up against the wall, Signora, if you have five minutes, that sort of thing." Another woman he dated just before he became president was told, "I wish we had time for some foreplay."

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JFK...he committed adultery on a regular basis and he got put on the 50 cent piece.
1 posted on 01/22/2012 2:51:40 AM PST by RC one
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To: RC one

So that’s our standard now—a democrat did it, so what’s the big problem?

Do we stand for ANYTHING, or are we just on the other side of certain issues?

This is depressing...


2 posted on 01/22/2012 2:54:45 AM PST by Darkwolf377 ( It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies.--C.S. Lewis)
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To: Darkwolf377

I’ll tell you what depresses me, that we’re 15 trillion dollars in debt, mired in high inflation and unemployment, falling into a socialist abyss, and rapidly declining as a nation yet we’re all talking about adultery like it’s even an issue. There are a lot of Republicans with a seriously screwed up set of priorities. Let me be clear here in case you missed it, I do not care about this issue at all.


3 posted on 01/22/2012 3:06:44 AM PST by RC one (the majority of republicans agree, anyone but Romney.)
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To: RC one

Just goes to show. Serial adulterers with a sex addiction, mistresses etc. should not hold positions of high power. They become blackmailable and could be potential security risks. No thanks. We are not Europe. I think we should stand for more. This is the traditional CONSERVATIVE position...has been for years.


4 posted on 01/22/2012 3:12:11 AM PST by AmericanInTokyo (Better to have a conservative lifeboat once all the dirt REALLY comes out on Gingrich pre-Florida)
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To: Darkwolf377

Where is this period you think we should go back to? That had your high ideals? If it was ever there it’s long gone. You need a reset on the possibility, not the mythology, of America and Christianity. I’ve finally learned it on this board. Get off your holier than thou. You ain’t.


5 posted on 01/22/2012 3:16:44 AM PST by TwoSwords (Romney is Crassus. Newt is Parthian.)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

Actually, Conservatives have been falling short of the values they run on for years. This remains a non-issue to me. Newt made mistakes and sought forgiveness. End of story. Time to move on because this is way past stupid.


6 posted on 01/22/2012 3:18:37 AM PST by RC one (the majority of republicans agree, anyone but Romney.)
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To: RC one

Who said anything about Gingrich?


7 posted on 01/22/2012 3:33:04 AM PST by AmericanInTokyo (Better to have a conservative lifeboat once all the dirt REALLY comes out on Gingrich pre-Florida)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

ah. my bad.


8 posted on 01/22/2012 3:34:43 AM PST by RC one (the majority of republicans agree, anyone but Romney.)
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To: Darkwolf377
Easy Darkwolf. Newt has said he regrets his errors in the past and believes God has forgiven him.

Kennedy, nor Clinton, nor any of the Democrat sex fiends has ever said anything like that.

9 posted on 01/22/2012 3:38:00 AM PST by eCSMaster (Democrats:always looking for someone else to blame)
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To: TwoSwords
Where is this period you think we should go back to? That had your high ideals? If it was ever there it’s long gone. You need a reset on the possibility, not the mythology, of America and Christianity. I’ve finally learned it on this board. Get off your holier than thou. You ain’t.

LOL I have never cheated on two different wives, taken money from the corrupt Fannie Mae, or like JFK screwed around constantly while presenting a fantasy of marital bliss to others. I never said about 'a period we should go back to' because honor, honesty and respecting promises given are timeless attributes, not fantasies. Also, I'm not a Christian, so you come in for a big fat zero on the perception part, my friend.

It's so funny to see how telling someone they're not 'holier than thou' is the ultimate of 'morality' now. That's the New Age 'ethics' of today--not honesty, not standing up for what's right, not walking the walk instead of just talking the talk to get something, no, the height of ethics is the whine of "Don't be judgemental!"

Yes, how dare one have ideals, how offensive! LOL! What a joke. A pathetic, cynical joke.

10 posted on 01/22/2012 3:43:25 AM PST by Darkwolf377 ( It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies.--C.S. Lewis)
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To: RC one

JFK
had money lots of it.

Anyone with money and Power is bound to be set upon by women who want to be close to it. Turning down sex is not as easy as those who never had to turn any down believes it is.

Certainly living a loose life is not the moral thing to do, but it happens. Does it mean that person is unfit for office? If it does then most people in office are unfit.

We can usually afford to make some moral judgements about who we vote for.Not sure that is possible this time.


11 posted on 01/22/2012 3:43:55 AM PST by Venturer
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To: RC one
I’ll tell you what depresses me, that we’re 15 trillion dollars in debt, mired in high inflation and unemployment, falling into a socialist abyss, and rapidly declining as a nation yet we’re all talking about adultery like it’s even an issue. There are a lot of Republicans with a seriously screwed up set of priorities. Let me be clear here in case you missed it, do not care about this issue at all.

Whew! Well said! Time for a lot of folks to look around and take a reality check.

12 posted on 01/22/2012 3:45:51 AM PST by expat1000
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To: eCSMaster

So if one just says “I regret my sin and God has forgiven me” that’s it?

If Obama, Ted Kennedy, Barney Frank, John Edwards, Jimmy Carter—if they said that, then everything is fine?

Is saying it in public the key? How do we know Clinton or any of the rest haven’t asked for forgiveness from God? Where is it written that this is required? (I’m asking, I don’t know.)

Sorry, I’m an atheist, so I don’t care in the first place. In the second place, I have called Romney “evil” here, yet he is a man who has been with the same woman for years, stood by her when she got ill, brought up a family of (I have it from folks who’ve experienced this first-hand) people who genuinely help others and are decent, and Romney isn’t just attacked for his politics, which is of course fine, he’s bashed as a human being. (He’s also donated tons of money, both in and outside of his religion.)

I just don’t get it.

My way of looking at it is that Gingrich may be forgiven by his God, but where does it say that means those past sins are just gone like they never happened? Did his judgement suddenly get better?

We really want a thrice-married guy who cheated on his wives for LONG periods, who has cozied up with Global Warming kooks, who praised Romneycare...THIS is who we’re going to say is our conservative standard-bearer?

This is what happens when one drinks the Kool-Aid, to use the cliche. Suddenly, it doesn’t matter that Obama had only teaching and government experience in his past—because now OUR guy is the same. Suddenly, things have been very quiet about Fannie/Freddie around here—because OUR guy was involved. Suddenly, we don’t hear talk about Democrat philandering...

I don’t understand it. Flame away, but I can’t just un-learn everything I’ve learned about this guy because people are in a fever waiting for a debate with the guy who hugged John Kerry he debated him on Global Warming.


13 posted on 01/22/2012 3:52:55 AM PST by Darkwolf377 ( It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies.--C.S. Lewis)
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To: Darkwolf377

I respect, then, your high ideals. My compliments. Too bad you’re not Christian. We could use someone of your timber.


14 posted on 01/22/2012 4:01:51 AM PST by TwoSwords (Romney is Crassus. Newt is Parthian.)
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To: RC one

“Not all monkeys live in the zoo.” Mother Maybolt, 1929-2008


15 posted on 01/22/2012 4:05:34 AM PST by urbanpovertylawcenter (where the law and poverty collide in an urban setting and sparks fly)
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To: RC one

That gives him two things in common with Ben Franklin.


16 posted on 01/22/2012 4:35:45 AM PST by mainevet (Get an M1911 or two or three or four)
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To: Darkwolf377

“those past sins are just gone like they never happened?”
To Christians before God yes that is exactly right.


17 posted on 01/22/2012 4:51:36 AM PST by bluecollarman (Wanted....witty tagline.)
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To: RC one
From the article - “All in all, the Kennedys come across as a horrible, spoilt bunch..”

That's because by and large they are. I don't want to sit in judgement of anyone, but that's not the major point here. I don't care that they have money. I just don't like the deification with which the left, and society in general treat people like the Kennedy clan.

What I think is important is for society to stop glorifying public figures and making celebrities out of politicians. A good rule of thumb is that politicians are not to be trusted. Any of them. That doesn't mean they are all untrustworthy, but it really doesn't matter. The stakes are too high.

18 posted on 01/22/2012 4:59:52 AM PST by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: bluecollarman

All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. Let us judge them by there works and not there words for there will be in these times false prophets.


19 posted on 01/22/2012 5:02:32 AM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: RC one

Harry Mount? Sounds like a Porno name.


20 posted on 01/22/2012 5:04:58 AM PST by csvset
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To: RC one

Ahh - Camelot, American royality, liberal wet-dreams, so on, and so forth.


21 posted on 01/22/2012 5:38:17 AM PST by AD from SpringBay (We deserve the government we allow.)
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To: RC one
John F. Kennedy, the myth, stands as one of the greatest hoaxes perpetrated on any culture in modern times. We conservatives ought to step back and look at the history of the Kennedy myth to learn the lessons to save us from the electoral damage caused by the utterly predictable mythologizing of leftist candidates and the equally predictable demonizing of conservative candidates.

I am referring for these purposes not so much to the sentimental inflation of his reputation after his assassination but to the carefully contrived myth which got Kennedy elected and would likely have gotten him reelected in 1964. By the time of his assassination, John F. Kennedy was a drug addict, a sex addict and terminally ill. None of this was made known to the American people yet much of it was current among intimate members of the elite media.

The parallels to the election of Barack Obama are so obvious that they do not need to be recounted here. Essentially Barack Obama's radical Marxist/terrorist associations would have debarred him from the presidency had they become generally known. This knowledge was not nearly as closely guarded as Kennedy's liabilities, they were known to the conservative media and in the blogosphere and well-known, of course, on FreeRepublic. Yet, the elite media spiked any investigation into the radical associations of Barack Obama.

In other words, the media engaged in the hagiography of Barack Obama just as they had mythologized John F. Kennedy. Except in the case of Barack Obama the media could no longer plead ignorance of the facts, they were known to those who sought them out. The media, unable to plead ignorance, is guilty of willfully slanting coverage to advance a candidate. At best they did so believing that they were making history by supporting the first black president, more likely that rationalization is but an excuse enabling them once again to push the country to the left.

If in 1960 the elite media believed that it was advancing the first Roman Catholic president while saving America from a demagogue named Richard Nixon, it is clear that the media ever since has arrogated unto itself the God-playing moral right to determine what is best for America and the power to feed America the myths calculated to manipulate the electorate.

We conservatives must understand that we have been the victims of this scenario time after time after time. The treatment of Martin Luther King Jr. is but one more illustration of the rule.

In this context the significance of Newt Gingrich's stunning victory in South Carolina becomes plain: Republicans, at least, do in fact understand how they have been victimized in this process and they are not going to stand for any longer. I can recall in the run-up to the 2008 election screaming on these threads that John McCain was certainly destined to lose the election if he did not morally destroy Barak Obama. As we know, McCain did not even attempt to do so.

Now Gingrich has done so. He has done so brilliantly and in a stroke he has catapulted himself to the head of the pack. He has done so by attacking the mythologizing and demonizing excesses of the elite media. That alone is a sweet irony.

But there is a greater irony here, Gingrich has done so as the man who stands in the shoes of John F. Kennedy, Martin Luther King Junior, Robert Kennedy, and Lyndon Johnson all of whom have been mythologized by an elite media which ignored their sexual peccadilloes. The media has certainly not ignored Gingrich's shortcomings but they have been prevented from driving him from the field.

It is a sign of Gingrich's political genius that he has converted this liability into a masterstroke.

To those conservatives who have doubts about Gingrich's ability to beat Obama take note of the fact that he just beat the combined efforts of the Republican establishment and the Democrat media in a stroke. You are not dealing with a candidate who will campaign back on his heels defending his "baggage." You are dealing with a candidate who can do, and will do, what John McCain could not do, or would not do.

You are looking at a candidate who just kicked over the table and declared that the game will not be dictated by any establishment. He will set the rules of the game which he can win.

While we ponder this sweet irony and the power it implies to win the election, we might also consider why Gingrich is the only choice for someone who will actually kick over the table and really restore our Constitution and our government to us.


22 posted on 01/22/2012 5:40:11 AM PST by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: nathanbedford

“...we might also consider why Gingrich is the only choice for someone who will actually kick over the table and really restore our Constitution and our government to us...”


Gingrich is succeeding because he has very clearly demonstrated he’s the only one of the pack ready to bare-knuckle brawl with Obama and his sycophant media minions.


23 posted on 01/22/2012 5:49:37 AM PST by nesnah
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To: RC one

I’d like to know what kind of sex he had with a back problem so bad he had to have it braced up so much that when he got shot in the neck in Dallas he couldn’t duck down to avoid the coup de grace.


24 posted on 01/22/2012 6:03:03 AM PST by AU72
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To: nathanbedford

Excellent post! I wish that I had written it, but I am glad you did!


25 posted on 01/22/2012 6:11:38 AM PST by marktwain
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To: nathanbedford

Great writing! Thanks for sharing your insights.


26 posted on 01/22/2012 6:16:19 AM PST by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: RC one

It’s because it was what the women were worth.


27 posted on 01/22/2012 6:16:19 AM PST by Vaduz
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To: nathanbedford

Brilliant,sir. But I have one disagreement:

At best they did so believing that they were making history by supporting the first black president, more likely that rationalization is but an excuse enabling them once again to push the country to the left.

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Beyond a desire to push the country to the left, many of the progressive elites are overcome with a fervent fantasy of collapsing the republic and are counting on BHO to now complete the process that he has begun so well.


28 posted on 01/22/2012 6:16:55 AM PST by Bigg Red (Pray for our republic.)
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To: Darkwolf377

I agree with you on nearly everything you have said on this thread.

I would much prefer to vote for someone who has shown more moral rectitude, but, unfortunately, I will feel compelled to vote for Gingrich in the general because the alternative is just too horrible to contemplate.


29 posted on 01/22/2012 6:21:48 AM PST by Bigg Red (Pray for our republic.)
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To: RC one
Wait now...tell me once again... What were they saying about an open marriage?
30 posted on 01/22/2012 6:41:31 AM PST by Savage Beast (Only a powerful intellect and internal moral compass can resist the incessant barrage of propaganda.)
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To: AU72

According to what I have read, standing up against a wall and in a bathtub.


31 posted on 01/22/2012 6:45:39 AM PST by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: Darkwolf377

“So that’s our standard now—a democrat did it, so what’s the big problem?”

Nope. But I don’t believe the Newt of the 80s is the Newt of the 2110s. I think a man who converts in his 60s, and who knows he probably has 15-20 years of life left, and perhaps 10 in which he can make a serious difference, thinks differently than a man in his 40s.


32 posted on 01/22/2012 7:00:58 AM PST by Mr Rogers ("they found themselves made strangers in their own country")
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To: RC one
The verdicts Dallek returns on those decisions are the conventional ones: Bay of Pigs - unmitigated disaster;

Correct. Stabbed the men on shore right in the back.

civil rights - cautious progress, which wasn't surprising in a man who had only met blacks as chauffeurs or valets;

Saint Jack was dragged kicking and screaming to the civil rights movement. His brother and Hoover were set to put the political shiv to MLK before Papa Joe discovered the benifits of being on the right side of history.

domestic reform initiatives - limited, because none of them became law, although several came to fruition under Lyndon Johnson;

Yeah, thanks Lyndon you POS.

Vietnam - not his fault;

Bwahaha!

handling of the Cuban missile crisis and US-Russia relations - masterly;

Pure BS! We had tactical nukes in Turkey and Saint Jack made a deal to remove them in return for the Ruskies taking theirs out of Cuba. IOW, we had the middle east and the Russians surrounded fifty years ago.

his "Ich bin ein Berliner" speech and the inauguration address ("Ask not what your country can do for you…") - triumphs.

"Ask not..." one of the great socialist statements of our time.

Funny how these authors and historians keep finding their myth still basically intact.

Phooey!

33 posted on 01/22/2012 7:08:08 AM PST by metesky (Brethren, leave us go amongst them! - Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond, The Searchers)
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To: RC one
"I’ll tell you what depresses me, that we’re 15 trillion dollars in debt, mired in high inflation and unemployment, falling into a socialist abyss, and rapidly declining as a nation yet we’re all talking about adultery like it’s even an issue."

Yeah, I remember 1992 too...

34 posted on 01/22/2012 7:19:31 AM PST by StAnDeliver (=)
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To: AD from SpringBay

From the article:

“if he hadn’t been wearing the brace for his bad back which meant he couldn’t duck by the time of the third and fatal shot, it’s unlikely that any of us would be much interested in the B-movie politician with the A-movie looks.”


35 posted on 01/22/2012 7:20:47 AM PST by BwanaNdege (Man has often lost his way, but modern man has lost his address - Gilbert K. Chesterton)
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To: AD from SpringBay

From the article:

“if he hadn’t been wearing the brace for his bad back which meant he couldn’t duck by the time of the third and fatal shot, it’s unlikely that any of us would be much interested in the B-movie politician with the A-movie looks.”


36 posted on 01/22/2012 7:20:58 AM PST by BwanaNdege (Man has often lost his way, but modern man has lost his address - Gilbert K. Chesterton)
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To: RC one

Evidently Camelot was really came-a-lot.


37 posted on 01/22/2012 7:41:25 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: nathanbedford
"I am referring for these purposes not so much to the sentimental inflation of his reputation after his assassination but to the carefully contrived myth which got Kennedy elected and would likely have gotten him reelected in 1964."

Would he really? From reading about the events of November 1963, I get the impression that he was rapidly losing support in key circles...indeed, that the whole reason he had gone to Dallas was because he was in serious danger of losing Texas.
38 posted on 01/22/2012 8:57:21 AM PST by M1903A1 ("We shed all that is good and virtuous for that which is shoddy and sleazy... and call it progress")
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To: AmericanInTokyo

To me, Romney’s sins are much greater than anything Newt Gingrich has ever done. If you’re pushing Mitt Romney based on morality you’re in the wrong place.


39 posted on 01/22/2012 9:02:20 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: M1903A1
The difficulty in Texas was an inner family quarrel in the Democrat party. He still had Lyndon Johnson to deliver the state. He was a president riding an upswing in the economy, enjoying all of the advantages incident to incumbency and his reputation had been greatly enhanced by the Cuban missile crisis.

I doubt if he would've had a serious problem being reelected in the normal course. In the context of this discussion, the normal course was an election structured by a complaisant media


40 posted on 01/22/2012 9:05:53 AM PST by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: nathanbedford

Excellent post. I wonder, do you think Gingrich is aware that this is what he is doing? I have always wondered why it is no one watched Palin and learned from her that you can take everything the establishment and the left has — and still come out the other end in tact. He, ofcourse, takes it a step further than Palin and has twice her intellect though none of the packaging she is blessed with.


41 posted on 01/22/2012 11:27:48 AM PST by riri
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To: Darkwolf377

Excellent response...excellent post. Dead on right.


42 posted on 01/22/2012 9:16:36 PM PST by Outlaw Woman ( Hello, Hello...Remember me...I'm everything you can't control...)
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