Free Republic
Browse · Search
General/Chat
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Gingrich and Reagan (Newt's repeated personal insults of Reagan and his successful policies)
National Review ^ | January 25, 2012 4:00 A.M. | Elliot Abrams

Posted on 01/25/2012 9:52:02 AM PST by T. Jefferson

In the increasingly rough Republican campaign, no candidate has wrapped himself in the mantle of Ronald Reagan more often than Newt Gingrich. “I worked with President Reagan to change things in Washington,” “we helped defeat the Soviet empire,” and “I helped lead the effort to defeat Communism in the Congress” are typical claims by the former speaker of the House.

The claims are misleading at best. In the Reagan years I was an assistant secretary of state — Mr. Gingrich voted with the president regularly, but equally often spewed insulting rhetoric at Reagan, his top aides, and his policies to defeat Communism. Gingrich was voluble and certain in predicting that Reagan’s policies would fail, and in all of this he was dead wrong.

President Reagan is clearly failing.” Why? This was due partly to “his administration’s weak policies, which are inadequate and will ultimately fail”; partly to CIA, State, and Defense, which “have no strategies to defeat the empire.” “The burden of this failure frankly must be placed first on President Reagan.” Our efforts against the Communists in the Third World were “pathetically incompetent.”

Gingrich’s called Reagan’s meeting with Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev “the most dangerous summit for the West since Adolf Hitler met with Neville Chamberlain in Munich.”

Far from becoming a reliable voice for Reagan policy and the struggle against the Soviets, Gingrich took on Reagan and his administration. It appears to be a habit: He did the same to George W. Bush when Bush was making the toughest and most controversial decision of his presidency — the surge in Iraq. Here again Gingrich provided no support for his party’s embattled president, testifying as a private citizen in 2007 that the strategy was “inadequate,” contained “breathtaking” gaps, lacked “synergism” (whatever that means), and was “very disappointing.”

(Excerpt) Read more at nationalreview.com ...


TOPICS: Cheese, Moose, Sister
KEYWORDS: gingrich; reagan; sovietunion; surge; zot
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-97 next last

1 posted on 01/25/2012 9:52:06 AM PST by T. Jefferson
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: T. Jefferson
As someone else pointed out about this, Gingrich attacked Reagan from the right, Romney from the left. In Gingrich's defence, there was so much classified stuff Reagan was doing behind the scenes that even Congress wasn't privy to. Much of it has only been declassified in the last decade. Some of it hasn't even been declassified yet. The book Crusader highlights this.
2 posted on 01/25/2012 9:56:10 AM PST by Thane_Banquo
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: T. Jefferson
Reagan's Young Lieutenant
3 posted on 01/25/2012 9:57:57 AM PST by MissMagnolia (Being powerful is like being a lady. If you have to tell people you are, you aren't. (M.Thatcher))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: T. Jefferson

Hey, do you remember when the National Review as a conservative publication? Neither do I.


4 posted on 01/25/2012 9:59:17 AM PST by Timaeus (Willard Mitt Romney Delenda Est)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Timaeus

“Hey, do you remember when the National Review as a conservative publication? Neither do I.”

Hahahaha. That was so long ago that is is now ancient history. It has certainly moved to the left. GO NEWT GO!


5 posted on 01/25/2012 10:01:31 AM PST by Parley Baer
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: Thane_Banquo

NRO is in the tank for Romney. I don’t really know what the author’s agenda is here. Newt, in my opinion, has the energy and clear headed thinking of a conservative similar to REagan when he campaigned against FORD. He was at the top of his game then. He still was four years later, but his energy decreased in the second term.

It’s more than funny, that Romney is non stop attack mode against Newt. Not one iota of comment against Obama. Newt is focused on Obama, Romney is focused on Romney.

A real eye opener. I’m shocked that he has the endorsement of McCain. Surprised that Huckabee hasn’t come out for Newt yet.

Anyway, next Tuesday can’t come fast enough.

PS-Hey, Rick Santorum. Tell us WHY? WHY are you still in this?


6 posted on 01/25/2012 10:01:51 AM PST by nikos1121
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: T. Jefferson
Photobucket
7 posted on 01/25/2012 10:01:58 AM PST by ZX12R (FUBO GTFO 2012 ! We should take off and Newt washington from orbit.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

Comment #8 Removed by Moderator

To: T. Jefferson

Gee, I guess we better vote for ROmney then, huh?

NOT!


9 posted on 01/25/2012 10:02:04 AM PST by Grunthor (I don't vote for Democrats, this includes Mitt Romney.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: T. Jefferson

Nice History re-write, Elliott you hack, establishment whore!


10 posted on 01/25/2012 10:02:55 AM PST by LALALAW (one of the asses whose sick of our "ruling" classes)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: T. Jefferson

Eliot Abrams??? How many moldy oldies from the Establishment GOP will come out against Newt this week? Santorum is my candidate, but the way the EGOP is hyperventilating, I’m reconsidering.


11 posted on 01/25/2012 10:06:09 AM PST by txrefugee
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: nikos1121
PS-Hey, Rick Santorum. Tell us WHY? WHY are you still in this?

Because so far every anti-Romney candidate who has taken a lead has imploded. And Newt has a history of impulsive behavior and decisions.

12 posted on 01/25/2012 10:09:46 AM PST by colorado tanker
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: T. Jefferson

Early yearsAbrams was born into a Jewish family in New York. His father was an immigration lawyer. He attended Harvard College in the late 1960s and was a roommate of Steven Kelman, founder of the Young People’s Socialist League campus chapter. Together they penned an article on the 1969 Harvard strike for The New Leader, “The Contented Revolutionists.”.[9] Abrams received his bachelor of arts from Harvard College in 1969, a master’s degree in international relations from the London School of Economics in 1970, and his J.D. from Harvard Law School in 1973.

He practiced law in New York in the summers for his father, and then at Breed, Abbott and Morgan from 1973 to 1975 and with Verner, Liipfert, Bernhard and McPherson from 1979 to 1981.

Abrams worked as an assistant counsel on the Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations in 1975, then worked as a staffer on Senator Henry “Scoop” Jackson’s brief campaign for the 1976 Democratic Party presidential nomination. From 1977 through 1979, he served as special counsel and ultimately as chief of staff for the then-new senator Daniel Moynihan.

Through Senator Moynihan, Abrams was introduced to Rachel Decter, the stepdaughter of Moynihan’s friend Norman Podhoretz, editor of Commentary. They were married in 1980. The couple has three children: Jacob, Sarah, and Joseph.[10
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elliott_Abrams
Has East Coast HACK written ALL over HIM!


13 posted on 01/25/2012 10:10:29 AM PST by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: nikos1121

“I’m shocked that he has the endorsement of McCain.”

Really? Why?


14 posted on 01/25/2012 10:10:39 AM PST by Grunthor (I don't vote for Democrats, this includes Mitt Romney.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: T. Jefferson

National Review seems to be about knee deep in RINO excrement. Now, all decisions of Reagan are sacrosanct? Newt was right to question and indeed force the vetting of untested plans.


15 posted on 01/25/2012 10:12:26 AM PST by Steamburg (The contents of your wallet is the only language Politicians understand.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: T. Jefferson

The problem NRO, Talk Radio hosts, and many others in the GOP have is they worship a Reagan that never existed.

In his 2nd term Reagan did a bunch of stuff that pissed off Conservatives. Tax hikes, Spending increases, Amnesty etc. What Gingrich was saying about him was mild compared to what most on the Right were saying about him in 1986-89.

I would love to see what NRO’s editorial board was writing about Reagan in 1986-1987-1988.

I am betting it a lot harsher then anything Newt ever said about Reagan.


16 posted on 01/25/2012 10:12:30 AM PST by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: T. Jefferson; Old Lady; Dark Wing

IATZ

Don’t remember who keeps the ZOT ping list.


17 posted on 01/25/2012 10:12:44 AM PST by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political party's in the long run gave away our liberty.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Timaeus
I'm not a Romney fan, and I'm voting for Newt, but did Gingrich make those statements, or not? If he did, then I'm not sure why it makes someone not a conservative to bring those up if they're being quoted accurately.
18 posted on 01/25/2012 10:14:45 AM PST by Bruce Campbells Chin
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: US Navy Vet

bttt


19 posted on 01/25/2012 10:15:34 AM PST by Matchett-PI ("One party will generally represent the envied, the other the envious. Guess which ones." ~GagdadBob)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: colorado tanker

WLS Radio’s John Dempsey Reports

CHICAGO (WLS) - Indiana U.S. Senator Dan Coats says the Republican party could lose to President Obama this fall, because of the weaknesses of the leading Republican Presidential candidates.

Coats made this statement during his appearance on WLS Radio’s Don Wade and Roma Show, “I think there’s some names out there that maybe we ought to give second thought to, just given the fact that the vulnerabilities of some of our leading candidates here might cause us to lose the election in November.”

LISTEN: U.S. Senator Dan Coats With Don Wade and Roma - Click Here

Coats also says the Republican Party should have an open convention where other candidates can present their credentials.

“And I’m beginning to wonder if maybe we shouldn’t take a second look at a convention process that will at least give us the opportunity to weigh some other alternatives.”

http://www.wlsam.com/Article.asp?id=2380328&spid=


20 posted on 01/25/2012 10:20:49 AM PST by KeyLargo
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: T. Jefferson

So the NRO thinks the base is going to be upset that Gingrich was taking stances to the right of Reagan himself? LOL! Alrighty then.


21 posted on 01/25/2012 10:20:59 AM PST by Blackyce (President Jacques Chirac: "As far as I'm concerned, war always means failure.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: WOBBLY BOB

I smell ozone.


22 posted on 01/25/2012 10:21:44 AM PST by Yankee (ANNOY THE RNC AND THE MEDIA: NOMINATE NEWT GINGRICH!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: T. Jefferson

National review LOL

Yea the establishment rag, maybe you forgot the sarc tag


23 posted on 01/25/2012 10:22:36 AM PST by manc (Marriage is between one man and one woman.Trolls get a life, I HATE OUR BIASED LIBERAL MEDIA.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: T. Jefferson

http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/post?id=2837668%2C1

please read and you’ll see the National review is a RINO rag and full of lies to help their elitist establishment pal Romney


24 posted on 01/25/2012 10:26:32 AM PST by manc (Marriage is between one man and one woman.Trolls get a life, I HATE OUR BIASED LIBERAL MEDIA.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: T. Jefferson
Gingrich’s called Reagan’s meeting with Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev “the most dangerous summit for the West since Adolf Hitler met with Neville Chamberlain in Munich.”

Gingrich was 180-degrees wrong. It was a master stroke and huge victory for Reagan.

25 posted on 01/25/2012 10:27:02 AM PST by montag813
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: txrefugee

Yes, my thought as well. I wonder what role Elliot Abrams had in the 76 Reagan Campaign?


26 posted on 01/25/2012 10:27:31 AM PST by MSF BU
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: T. Jefferson

Elliott Abrams might have worked in two republican administrations but he’s a democrat through and through. One those warmongering democrats who never saw a war he didn’t like, or a country he didn’t want to attack. Most democrats like Willard the liberal, he’s one of them.


27 posted on 01/25/2012 10:27:36 AM PST by NKP_Vet (creep.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: MSF BU

Don’t you mean Abrams role in the 1976 Jimmy Carter campaign?

Here is some of Abrams pedigree-—
Abrams worked as an assistant counsel on the Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations in 1975, then worked as a staffer on Senator Henry “Scoop” Jackson’s brief campaign for the 1976 Democratic Party presidential nomination. From 1977 through 1979, he served as special counsel and ultimately as chief of staff for the then-new senator Daniel Moynihan.

Through Senator Moynihan, Abrams was introduced to Rachel Decter, the stepdaughter of Moynihan’s friend Norman Podhoretz, editor of Commentary. They were married in 1980. The couple has three children: Jacob, Sarah, and Joseph.[10
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elliott_Abrams
Has East Coast HACK written ALL over HIM!


28 posted on 01/25/2012 10:30:14 AM PST by Presbyterian Reporter
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: MNJohnnie

“In his 2nd term Reagan did a bunch of stuff that pissed off Conservatives. Tax hikes, Spending increases, Amnesty etc. What Gingrich was saying about him was mild compared to what most on the Right were saying about him in 1986-89.”.
You want to know WHY “In his 2nd term Reagan did a bunch of stuff that pissed off Conservatives”? I think that President Reagan knew he was starting to have to initial phases of Alzheimer’s Disease and he was starting to “let” VP George HW Bush have more and more day to day control of things. Alot of the BS that President Reagan “approved” in his 2nd term have GHWB RINO fingerprints ALL OVER THEM.


29 posted on 01/25/2012 10:30:26 AM PST by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: All

Don't Be Fooled In 2012!!
Keep Up With The REAL News
Conservatives Need From FR
Help Keep It Going !!

Sponsoring FReepers are contributing
$10 Each time a New Monthly Donor signs up!
Get more bang for your FR buck!
Click Here To Sign Up Now!


30 posted on 01/25/2012 10:33:58 AM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: MNJohnnie

“I would love to see what NRO’s editorial board was writing about Reagan in 1986-1987-1988.

I am betting it a lot harsher then anything Newt ever said about Reagan.”

That would be interesting to see. That would be a worthwhile project that probably wouldn’t take too long.

Any takers?


31 posted on 01/25/2012 10:34:57 AM PST by publius321
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: T. Jefferson
What's your point? Romney or Santorum good, Newt bad?

This is one of the poorest written articles I have read in ages. Why you find the need to soil this forum with this kind of demagoguery is beyond me.

Newt was one of Reagan's best advocates during both of his terms. AND YOU KNOW IT!

So, if the hair starts to stand up on the back of your neck any time soon, find shelter immediately. It is usually the first sign that a bolt of lighetning is headed your way.

32 posted on 01/25/2012 10:35:22 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: T. Jefferson
What's your point? Romney or Santorum good, Newt bad?

This is one of the poorest written articles I have read in ages. Why you find the need to soil this forum with this kind of demagoguery is beyond me.

Newt was one of Reagan's best advocates during both of his terms. AND YOU KNOW IT!

So, if the hair starts to stand up on the back of your neck any time soon, find shelter immediately. It is usually the first sign that a bolt of lightening is headed your way.

33 posted on 01/25/2012 10:35:36 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: US Navy Vet

You know, that really makes a lot of sense. Parts of the 2nd Reagan term sure do look like GB the 1st one term from 1989-1993.


34 posted on 01/25/2012 10:36:17 AM PST by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: PSYCHO-FREEP

His point seems to be that Newt needs to be watched closely because his judgement is somtimes questionable, other times wrong and sometimes visioary. He was wrong to attack Reagan many years ago on the Soviet union and he was wrong today on univision pandering to illegals. But follow blindly if you must.


35 posted on 01/25/2012 10:40:03 AM PST by jwalsh07
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 33 | View Replies]

To: T. Jefferson

Gingrich was the Congressional Reagan.

Mitt Romney whose famous political family are the Mormon Bushes of the Republican party, despised Reagan and the right so much that he left the Republican party.

Romney only came went back into the GOP when he was ready to start the process of taking over the party.


36 posted on 01/25/2012 10:41:02 AM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: MNJohnnie

I never thought we’d start allowing people to attack Reagan to defend a less conservative candidate here.

Personally, I don’t mind people expressing opinions, even wrong ones, but this place does zot people for attacking conservative icons. And apparently, Gingrich.


37 posted on 01/25/2012 10:42:22 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: MNJohnnie

The President Reagan of 1981-1985 would NEVER have APPOVED a BS “Scheme” like “Iran-Contra”. CIA Director Casey would have NEVER gone along w/ it either.


38 posted on 01/25/2012 10:42:32 AM PST by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 34 | View Replies]

To: MNJohnnie

Gee, it wasn’t that long ago that YOU were posting articles attacking Gingrich. Now that you have switched candidates, you are going to attack Reagan and claim he ceded his presidency to Bush, just to defend Gingrich?


39 posted on 01/25/2012 10:46:42 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 34 | View Replies]

To: T. Jefferson

Military leaders and even Margret Thatcher thought Reagan was not taking a hard enough line with the Soviets

He had to fight borh ends —those in the Left that wanted him to make concessions and those on the right that wanted a tougher stance


40 posted on 01/25/2012 10:49:35 AM PST by uncbob
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: T. Jefferson

Don’t ask NRO about Newt’s Reagan credentials. Ask Reagan Nat’l Security Advisor Bud McFarlane: http://bit.ly/zd9eAF

Don’t ask NRO about Newt’s Reagan credentials. Ask Reagan Economist Art Laffer: http://bit.ly/xEDETi

Don’t ask NRO about Newt’s Reagan credentials. Ask Reagan WH political director Jeffrey Lord: http://bit.ly/zw2ZMb

Don’t ask NRO about Newt’s Reagan credentials. Ask Reagan Policy Analyst Peter Ferrara http://bit.ly/zq1QxI

Don’t ask NRO about Newt’s Reagan bonafides. Ask Reagan media consultant Richard Quinn: http://on.msnbc.com/y2sPM2

Don’t ask NRO about Newt’s Reagan credentials. Ask Reagan’s older son Michael Reagan: http://bit.ly/yYVy7L


41 posted on 01/25/2012 10:51:57 AM PST by Josh Painter ("The only thing these 'investments' will get us is a bullet train to bankruptcy." - Palin)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: uncbob
“Military leaders and even Margret Thatcher thought Reagan was not taking a hard enough line with the Soviets”

I don't know which “military leaders” you have in mind, but the Joint Chiefs of Staff were well-aware of Reagan's internal NSC directives in the first two years of his administration to take on the Soviets through economic warfare, covert operations, and increased defense spending.

42 posted on 01/25/2012 10:55:52 AM PST by riverdawg
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 40 | View Replies]

To: 50mm; darkwing104

IATZot ping


43 posted on 01/25/2012 10:57:49 AM PST by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political party's in the long run gave away our liberty.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: Josh Painter

Great job Josh. Everyone should copy and paste your aggregation and post it all over the Net where Romulans are propigating their lies.

It would be great if Ronald Reagan’s other son endorsed Romney. That would be fitting. LOL.


44 posted on 01/25/2012 11:00:47 AM PST by publius321
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 41 | View Replies]

To: Thane_Banquo

There is no defense for how Gingrich handled his opposition to Reagan and his policies.

As a Congressman, he knew very well that the President was working with the knowledge of a great deal of classified information to which he, Gingrich, was not privy.

There are ways to voice “concern” and even opposition, while still respecting the President, the leader of your party, and the fact that he, not you, have more information.

Gingrich chose another way. He always has.


45 posted on 01/25/2012 11:09:49 AM PST by fightinJAG (So many seem to have lost their sense of smell . . .)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Josh Painter

So when I hear Newt say that “the era of Reagan is over” with my own two ears should I stand up and cheer?


46 posted on 01/25/2012 11:10:50 AM PST by jwalsh07
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 41 | View Replies]

To: Timaeus

What specific facts do you dispute in this article?

I understand that you assume the author’s conclusions are biased. Fine. But are or are not the major facts accurately stated?

For example, did Gingrich say the things he is quoted as saying?


47 posted on 01/25/2012 11:11:28 AM PST by fightinJAG (So many seem to have lost their sense of smell . . .)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: nikos1121

Have you not heard or seen the ads Newt is running against Romney? One was so bad that Newt had to take it down because Senator Rubio criticized it.


48 posted on 01/25/2012 11:13:47 AM PST by fightinJAG (So many seem to have lost their sense of smell . . .)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: MissMagnolia

Oh, my. I can’t thank you enough for posting that link! I would have missed the article/thread, and it’s one of the best I’ve seen in days.


49 posted on 01/25/2012 11:13:57 AM PST by lonevoice (Klepto Baracka Marxo, impeach we much.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: txrefugee
Eliot Abrams??? How many moldy oldies from the Establishment GOP will come out against Newt this week? Santorum is my candidate, but the way the EGOP is hyperventilating, I’m reconsidering.

Indeed. The smell of sheer terror and desperation coming out of D.C. should cause reasonable people to stop for a minute and wonder why. I've never seen anything like this.

50 posted on 01/25/2012 11:18:36 AM PST by lonevoice (Klepto Baracka Marxo, impeach we much.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-97 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
General/Chat
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson