Skip to comments.Fierce sheepdogs alarming tourists in SW Colorado
Posted on 01/30/2012 9:35:38 AM PST by Daffynition
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“The land isnt leased, the grazing rights are.”
then I guess no matter how cute the dogs are if they really are threatening tourists with aggressive behavior
instead of just barking as I suspect they are. barking to tell the ontruders to stay away from their flock
the dogs will lose.
Bery tough situation for the ownders who lose so much money everytime a sheep is killed.
If they have “ grtazing rights” is that confined to a particluar area? could they put up signs?
>Probably taken from the AKC standard, and he probably reads from that too, so yes, right on. :)<
The Akbash is neither in AKC recognized breeds nor in the Foundation Stock Service. Being a valuable working dog, I doubt the keepers of its pedigrees want to open up the Pandora’s box that is breeding for a physical standard.
Livestock guardians must possess certain behaviors. If the sire and dam are not specifically chosen for the characteristics that make the dog an effective LGD, it will become yet another big white breed of dog and nothing else.
Anatolian people are already seeing what happens when they do not work their breeding stock.
Lots of pertinent info at this Anatolian specialist’s website:
Who would be reluctant to feed their sheep dog?
The pit bull itself should not be blamed. Go after the breeders. They are the ones that are messing up the breed by breeding too much aggression into the lines. They are the ones that should be held accountable along with people that don’t know how to handle them or shouldn’t have them.
The dog has a job. Let them do it. We have a Great Pyrenees down from us. He just plays and plays with my 27 lb dog. They have a lot of fun.
(what does THAT stand for???)
The kids were more interested in going to the lake, not for the swimming, boating, fishing, as they were to see Herbie and Jocko. Good memories. Beautiful animal.
You first,, what does your “bfl” mean?
Oh pardon me.
Put a pic of the muzzie Zer0 on the board to scare the animals.
Bump for later! (my abbreviation for, you know, “place mark”)
Little is known about the ancient origins of the Turkish Akbash Dog or its white guarding cousins. There are, however, clear historical reasons to link the Turkish Akbash Dog to its Hungarian, Italian and other relatives. Cynologists argue over whether the Akbash Dog was the progenitor of the other white sheepguarding breeds of Europe and whether the Romans brought the Akbash Dog from Asia Minor to Italy. However, it s clear that the white sheep guardians have existed as distinct breeds in their own countries for many centuries.
There is limited translated literature available that refers to the ancient dogs of Turkey. We do know that Evliya Celebi (1614-1682) recorded in his Seyahatname (Book of Travels) that the 17th century Ottomans recognized two distinct breeds of agricultural guard dogs. He briefly described both breeds and noted that they were used as livestock guardians.
Two distinct breeds of agricultural guard dogs still exist in Turkey today: the Akbash Dog and the Kangal Dog. While there is some controversy over whether these two dogs are separate breeds, history clearly shows that Turkey supported more than one breed of sheep-guarding dog for centuries. Some people believe that the Akbash Dog and the Kangal Dog are color or regional variants or one all-encompassing Turkish sheepdog breed. However, differences in conformation and temperament of the Akbash Dog and the Kangal Dog indicate that each deserves separate breed status. The Kangal Dog, esteemed as "the National Dog of Turkey," is supported by government breeding programs and export restrictions, and is considered by the Turkish people as an endangered species.
A KANGAL dog...
thnx for the link.
Now I have another breed for future acquisition.
The city who wants to prevent the sheep raiser from using dogs to protect his sheep.......Sorry, I thought I made that clear.
Sounds like a good dog to have around.
How would you suggest this farmer protect his herd from grizzlies?
I love this story and this lucky dog felt worthy. He had a job.
What are your thoughts about this naive question of mine: I imagine these Akbash dogs are away from hearth and home for weeks at a time; since the herds they tend are scattered far and wide...how do you suppose the dogs feed themselves except to scavenge? Do you think the rancher drives out to the dog w/ the main herd and brings it dinner every night?
How long do you suppose that free ranging of herds has been going on? You think it's a recent phenomenon?
And this remarkable working dog Juno...every photo of her shows that she is *on duty*.
Easy fix. Place warning signs for stupid hikers, Pass at your own risk, dogs guarding sheep against anything that moves that is not a sheep...
The guy we use to take our mohair to for weight and shipping to Texas had one of these dogs..beautiful. One shearing season when we went their dog had a large cast of its back leg...someone shot it, but the vet dug the bullet out and the dog was getting along fine with the cast. He had a lot of property and a very large flock of Angoras. His wife is the one that taught me to skin a goat using an air compressor and razor blade. Easy to do...her husband hated skinning a goat if they found one dead in the pasture....so she had to figure out a way to do it herself..
In my world, the dog would easily come “home” to chow (and drink) up daily.
We’d communicate daily and then go about our business as a team/pack.
I have spent a lot of time on public lands in the west weeks at a time.
Being mindful is one thing being attack by an animal is another.
Being an old farm boy I know a bit about stock.
I own and trained working dogs for close to 40 years now.
Your dog needs to be properly trained and under control.
If someone is on public land, road right away or what ever and your dog attacks. You are at fault and your dog is at fault.
I will not stand by and get bite by a untrain, uncontroled dog.
Then if your dog does bite me I’ll do every thing in my power to see that you are charged properly and sued to pay for the medical bills and other costs.
It is easy keep your dogs properly trained and under control and you will not have a problem
BLM and NF sevice land is open to the public and you can be armed on it.
I would think you are far more likely to encounter a cougar than a guard-dog.
You don’t have to tell me about wolves I live with them. I have had them walk through my yard I have seem them on a regular basis.
I know people who have lost dogs and live stock to them.
But that still doesn’t any ones dog the right to attack a person on public land.
Could very will be bears are more likely then cougars ect.
Well [you’ll pardon me] this didn’t stop this reporter from *crying wolf* when there have been no incidents of guard dogs biting anyone.
>>”We don’t need dangerous animals in the backcountry,” trustee Karla Safranski said.<<
There are plenty of dangerous critters in the back county bears ,cougars, wolves and things.
Dosen’t stop me from living there, hiking, camping ect.
I have come face to face with many of them of over 55 years of living, hiking, camping, hunting, fishing in the country.
I have hiked, hunted, camped in many of the western states along with AK and Canada.
I have no problem with stock dogs but If I am on public land and one attacks me it well be delt with in a swift manner.
More likely she is a Anti’s and this is just another attack on ranchers ect.
**White wool was favoured in Roman times and consequently dogs were selected for white colour, leading to breeds such as the Kuvasz and Pyrenean Mountain Dog, typically of 35-65 kg (de la Cruz 1995). Lucius Junius Moderatus Columella in res Rustica (65 CE) and Macius Terentius Varro in Res rusticae (36 BCE) wrote that white dogs were preferred as they could be distinguished from wolves and other predators; modern authors have suggested that coloured dogs pre-dated the ability to wash white wool and dye it in various colours. There is evidence, though, that livestock themselves may have been at least partially involved in selecting the dogs that guarded them, as they were seen to be more comfortable with the dogs that most resembled them in appearance (reviewed in Taylor 2000).**
This other video [click #8]seems to be from China, showing Kangal dogs herding lions and tigers...about 3/4 mins in, see what happens when they throw some raw meat into the enclosure.
There's another vid in that string of a Kurdish Kangal pulling a tractor. Impressive animals.
We then had a huge dog that looked like a overgrown german shepard start to cross out property daily...When hubby went out to the barn he took a shot gun with him, we didn't know who the dog belong to...
I happen to see him crossing our lawn one day and start to trot down the road...I got in the car and followed him...He lived about 1/2 mile away and just went up his driveway and laid down beside his dog house...When I pulled in he came to check out the car and that SOB could look in the window of the car without jumping up on it...I tooted my horn until a woman came to the door, I asked it that was her dog and she said yes.....I informed her he was prowling about my animals and its legal to shoot stray dogs in Michigan and if we say him again, he wouldn't be coming home. Put the car in reverse and left...
I had to drive by her home to get to the road in town and for the next 2 weeks the dog was chained up. He then disappeared...I can honestly say it wasn't us, but someone else got pissed off at that dog...City people move into the country and think its fine to let their dogs roam free...Lots of dogs get the S.S. and shut up treatment...
If I was out west, don't shoot the wolves at first, shoot the idiots that put them there, than shoot the wolves...Animal rights people need to get a life...
Mountain bikers are a pain in the butt. They make a damn racket in the woods and tear up the lnadscape creating gullys and turned up soil which leads to erosion.
And is somebody is leasing land to graze his livestock, he has a right to protect them.
Democrat response is typical. Regulate,control TAX.
Just one more instance of the government reaching too far. ;(
Shepherd with his horse and dog on Gravelly Range Madison County, Montana, August 1942. Reproduction from color slide. Photo by Russell Lee. Prints and Photographs Division, Library of Congress
beautiful, just made it my new wallpaper on my computer TY
Many more here... link sent to me by a FRiend...http://extras.denverpost.com/archive/captured.asp
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