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Posted on 02/03/2012 7:07:30 PM PST by bauerpauer

Hi Freepers, I'm currently at a community college looking into 4-year colleges/universities outside California and wanted your opinions/suggestions. Here are my criteria: -Conservative (or relatively right-leaning) school. -A state and/or school that allows some sort of open carry or concealed carry permit (on campus if possible). -A good computer science or computer forensics program. -Interested in profiling but not sure which departments teach it. -Core curriculum not overrun by communists/Marxists.

I love Texas.

Questions in criteria are welcome.

Thanks.


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1 posted on 02/03/2012 7:07:41 PM PST by bauerpauer
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"Conservative (or relatively right-leaning) school, state that allows concealed carry"

Considering these criteria, llow me to heartily urge you to stay away from Umass.

2 posted on 02/03/2012 7:11:28 PM PST by NakedRampage (Puttin' the "stud" in Bible study)
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To: bauerpauer

Go to your local jr college. Duh...


3 posted on 02/03/2012 7:12:44 PM PST by goseminoles
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To: bauerpauer

Hillsdale College. Hillsdale MI. My son is attending his second year and loves it. So do we.


4 posted on 02/03/2012 7:13:47 PM PST by carjic (I've always been taught to respect my elders.... but it's getting harder to find any!)
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To: bauerpauer

I live in the San Jaoquin valley and it is conservative. But the universities are all Marxist. Go to Texas. But the schools like UT Austn are crazy liberal too.


5 posted on 02/03/2012 7:14:28 PM PST by whitedog57
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To: bauerpauer

Auburn University

War Eagle!


6 posted on 02/03/2012 7:14:59 PM PST by Jemian
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To: NakedRampage

Texas A&M University, College Station, Texas hands down. But you must be a good and well-prepared student,


7 posted on 02/03/2012 7:19:07 PM PST by yetidog
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To: bauerpauer

There are 5,000 colleges in this country and besides Hillsdale, I doubt I could fit any in that category


8 posted on 02/03/2012 7:20:30 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: bauerpauer

Occidental College!

Io Triumphe!
Tiger, Roar!


9 posted on 02/03/2012 7:23:43 PM PST by Fiji Hill
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To: bauerpauer
TAMU at College Station. Stay the hell away from UT. You can thank me later.

Gig 'Em

10 posted on 02/03/2012 7:25:19 PM PST by TADSLOS (There's 46 more reasons for Newt to stay on the attack!!)
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To: bauerpauer
Texas A & M, Grove City College or Wheaton, maybe?
11 posted on 02/03/2012 7:25:27 PM PST by MacMattico
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To: bauerpauer
In some ways going to a “regular” college with its infestation of liberal thought and action is best to prepare you for adult life. It presents an opportunity for you to hone your skills at subtrefuging liberals and their looniness. Also, it readies you for the reality of most urban living and surviving with asshat coworkers and moonbat neighbors. Most likely you will have to go urban for your early- and mid- career years.
12 posted on 02/03/2012 7:28:17 PM PST by hal ogen (1st Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: bauerpauer

Hillsdale
Liberty
Asbury
Wheaton
BYU
Oral Roberts

For technical
Colorado School of Mines
Rensellear Polytecnic
DeVry
Or, just take SAP and PeopleSoft classes, Agile and PMP training and go for certification. SAP and PeopleSoft programmers can earn $175/hour.

Whatever you do, do NOT go to state universities. They are completely Marxist.


13 posted on 02/03/2012 7:30:29 PM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: bauerpauer
An essential reference book which you should consult is Choosing the Right College 2012-2013 (Grand Rapids, Mich., Eerdmans, 2011). This is published by the Intercollegiate Studies Institute (ISI), a conservative think tank. Check Worldcat to see if it is at a library near you. Earlier editions can be found at many public libraries. You might also check out Collegeguide.org, a pay site apparently affiliated with ISI.

You might also check out the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education, which is concerned with issues such as free speech and academic freedom. The home page includes a search box in which you can type in the name of a school or search for schools by state. When its page comes up, the school is given a rating (red light for being bad on academic freedom/free speech issues, green for good, yellow for in between), as well as a collection of hypertext links to articles about the school. My own alma mater, Occidental College, didn't fare so well.

14 posted on 02/03/2012 7:50:10 PM PST by Fiji Hill
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To: bauerpauer

Texas A&M
Texas Christian University
Baylor

Not University of Texas


15 posted on 02/03/2012 7:55:07 PM PST by FryingPan101 (My taglines always lose.)
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To: bauerpauer

My daughter went to George Mason U. in Fairfax, VA. This school is striving to be a more conservative influence. Rush substitute Walter Williams was the former head of their economics dept and now they have the Mercatus Institute there, which is doing a lot of good eco research from a definitely more conservative/libertarian point of view.

Yes, it IS in the DC area, but that has a lot of good points to it, which I will not belabor here.

Her former bf got a degree in IT from there and he’s got a good job now. So does my kid also, not in IT though.

It is a huge school, with a lot of communter/adult students, it has sororities and frats, but if you are looking for that old school feeling this might not be the place for you.

It might be worth checking out.


16 posted on 02/03/2012 8:00:48 PM PST by jocon307
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17 posted on 02/03/2012 8:02:17 PM PST by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die!)
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To: bauerpauer

Grove City has an excellent computer department. That or Hillsdale. Bring money for both....


18 posted on 02/03/2012 8:12:48 PM PST by Wingy (Don't blame me. I voted for the chick. I hope to do so again.)
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I have another college related question:

I'm not from what you would call a "college family". I am the first in my family to obtain a college degree, and I was able to get that degree only because I joined the U.S. Army right out of high school, got training that landed me a good job, and used my employer's tuition assistance benefit to go to school.

I have a son that just turned 22 years old today. We didn't prepare, during his childhood, for him to go to college. He never had a desire to go to college. As I said, I'm not from a "college family". Though preparation from the start and an expectation of college is natural for many families, it never has been in mine.

Now, my son wants to go to college and get a mechanical engineering degree.

Where do I start?
I'm by no means rich. I'd like him to take care of as much of the financial responsibility as he can (as a 22 year old with little to no credit history)?
What loan/grant/tuition programs have any of you used in a similar situation to send a kid to college/technical school?

19 posted on 02/03/2012 8:14:01 PM PST by Washi (Surviving the Zombie Apocalypse, one head-shot at a time.)
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To: combat_boots
Good starter list. You can find more by entering "good colleges for conservatives" in the search box at yaf.org.

College of the Ozarks, Grove City and St. Vincent's also deserve good looks.

My daughter works at a correctional facility associated with St. Vincent's. About 70% of the kids who go through their program do not go back to crime, compared with 30% in the standard prison system. Nice campus and nice kids. We're always impressed when we attend an event there.

20 posted on 02/03/2012 8:18:06 PM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Washi

My son intends to major in mechanical engineering too. We are beginning to look around. Do you have any universities nearby? Our oldest daughter is a bio major at University of Delaware - about 30 minutes away from home and I hope my son gets into there as well since it allows for the family to still be a major touchstone week to week and would allow for commuting from home if needed. I really like the campus and I have worked with several engineers who graduated from UD as well as those fom other engineering schools.


21 posted on 02/03/2012 8:42:25 PM PST by Domestic Church (AMDG ...)
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To: bauerpauer

Northern Arizona is not bad.


22 posted on 02/03/2012 8:51:00 PM PST by dog breath
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To: bauerpauer

I’d like to suggest my Freshman year alma mater - Virginia Military Institute, where Stonewall Jackson once taught, and whose cadet corps fought in the Battle of New Market: I’d like to suggest it, but it’s been co-opted by flaming Libs now as well. Utterly worthless. Sad.

I have second-hand knowledge from a Coast Guard Academy grad, and slightly more indirect knowledge about the other academies, that those once-august bastions of the values you seek are simply jokes in recent decades.

I hear very good things, indirectly, about Hillsdale college, and don’t know of any that are better reputed.


23 posted on 02/03/2012 8:51:18 PM PST by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: bauerpauer

Texas A&M - College Station, Texas
Baylor - Waco, Texas
Le Tourneau - Longview, Texas (small Christian university)

STAY AWAY FROM UT-AUSTIN - Very, very liberal!

On behalf of A&M, I would state though there are liberals there, the vast majority of students are conservative.


24 posted on 02/03/2012 8:51:32 PM PST by Texas56
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To: Washi

I would absolutely suggest you visit your local community college. I’ve worked with and hired many engineers who took their first two years of pre-engineering work at a community college and they are among the best, most practical, and first chosen for jobs. Don’t let anyone kid you, the first two years are the same anywhere, unless you count partying, screwing off, hanging around a dorm or frat, etc as “educational”. Many CC students live in or near home and this helps hold down expenses, and most class sizes are smaller and tutors are available if they need a little help.

After 2 years, the Pre-E credits from an accredited CC will transfer anywhere, and the student will probably have better study habits and a good track record to hit the next 2 or 3 years running. And employers don’t care much about where an applicant earned a BSME or MSME degree, but more about how capable they are of working in a team environment, having good communications skills, being good problem-solvers, etc. Good luck.


25 posted on 02/03/2012 8:51:37 PM PST by bigbob
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To: Washi
I'm way out of touch, since I graduated 50 years ago - but back in my day, you could go to an engineering school with a co-op plan and earn most of the money for tuition after the first year. I did that, but then I lived at home and commuted into Philadelphia to Drexel.

26 posted on 02/03/2012 8:57:21 PM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (DRAFT PALIN)
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To: Domestic Church
Going to Delaware and NOT majoring in Chemistry?

Oh, that's right, didn't DuPont to into genetics and biology in a big way?

Cheers!

27 posted on 02/03/2012 8:57:38 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Washi

FReepmail.


28 posted on 02/03/2012 8:59:36 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Washi; bigbob

I’m with bigbob on the Community College question. It’s THE best option for almost any student, especially one who’s chosen to attend college later, and who doesn’t come from a monied family.

Your son should go talk to someone at the local community college about what courses he will need to take to transfer to a 4-year in his intended major. He won’t waste time and money taking courses that don’t lead to that end.

Everything bigbob said is right on. Credits are easily transferred, cost is lower. Your son can continue to live at home, or wherever he’s now living, and can possibly keep his job, at least on a part time basis. Down sides are hard to find.


29 posted on 02/03/2012 9:00:37 PM PST by EDINVA
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To: bauerpauer

If you were to follow thru on the advice to go to Texas A&M or George Mason or any other state school, you’d be wise to move to that area and work for a year while establishing residency. Tuition is less than half for in-state students.


30 posted on 02/03/2012 9:03:16 PM PST by EDINVA
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To: bauerpauer

Hillsdale.......truly independent...... (’64)


31 posted on 02/03/2012 9:12:53 PM PST by Flpoop (play it where it lies)
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To: Washi

One way to fight the cost factor of college is to attend community college and get as many basic courses out of the way as possible at a much reduced fee compared to university level.

Another way to defray the cost of college is RENTING books rather than buying new or used ones. The costs of renting is MUCH less expensive than buying new or used ones. Plus the on-line sites have given us free return shipping as long as we get the books returned or postmarked by the return date.


32 posted on 02/03/2012 9:16:59 PM PST by Texas56
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To: goseminoles

He’s already in community college - sophomore year.

Disclosure: bauerpauer is my son and a solid young conservative


33 posted on 02/03/2012 9:21:24 PM PST by bootless (Never Forget. Never Again. (PursuingLiberty.com))
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To: Fiji Hill

Fiji Hill,

That’s an excellent resource, thanks! Full disclosure: bauerpauer is my son.:)

He’s considering LEO work, which requires a four-year degree. He’s also done an awesome job with the local libs/progressives/Marxists since middle school - one of his high school history teachers was openly, but honestly (!) liberal, and required that he back his opinions with facts. It was an excellent course and a good experience. The teacher learned a few things from him, too.

Given the potential unrest that’s coming up, I’d prefer that he not hone his skills in a large, Marxist blue, thug-ridden city.

Thanks again for the terrific information!


34 posted on 02/03/2012 9:25:50 PM PST by bootless (Never Forget. Never Again. (PursuingLiberty.com))
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To: bauerpauer

You are going to have to be your own boss in college on an ethical and practical level - I’m sure you know this. Stand out from the herd and be who you are and know right from wrong no matter the ethical and mental gymnastics you see and observe around you. You are not a child. Be an adult to and with yourself and help the lost souls when you can.

UT Austin is big, liberal but wonderful. Better than the East and West coast hard core Marxists and the wannabes in the midwest. UT is not so easy to herd. Come to Austin.

Avoid the drugs and drinking. Enjoy the music; Austin launches bands. Be your own man/woman. It’s a big place and you will get lost if you are in need of hand holding. Don’t waste time hanging out in political and dorm social herds. Pray every day; be close to God and don’t let anyone stupid, but who claims to be “smart”, mess with your soul just because they don’t know they have one. If you have extra time, get a job and start building a network and mentors in the real world. Major in something that is employable and useful.

If you can, don’t go into debt. Work and go to school if you must; you are not in a race to finish college. Try to stay free of debt. It’s important to stay independent and free from the beginning; now more than ever. It is cheaper to go to college in your state and even cheaper to do two years in a community college and then transfer to and graduate from UT or another four year college. God bless you.


35 posted on 02/03/2012 9:29:16 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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Hey bigbob,

Thanks and you’re absolutely right. He’s gotten a terrific education in his first two years at the community college - this is his last semester. I’ve been very impressed - and they offer “Personal Protection” classes on the weekends. It’s time to transfer to a four-year for junior/senior years.


36 posted on 02/03/2012 9:29:42 PM PST by bootless (Never Forget. Never Again. (PursuingLiberty.com))
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To: grey_whiskers

Well, her roommate is a chem engineering major and the first two years they have many of the same courses except for their honors courses.


37 posted on 02/03/2012 9:30:29 PM PST by Domestic Church (AMDG ...)
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To: EDINVA

Absolutely right. CC has been a great choice.


38 posted on 02/03/2012 9:30:35 PM PST by bootless (Never Forget. Never Again. (PursuingLiberty.com))
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To: NakedRampage

Haha, my dad went to UMass... he’s a democrat.


39 posted on 02/03/2012 9:36:52 PM PST by bauerpauer ("All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."-Edmund Burke)
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To: carjic

Thank you for the suggestion.


40 posted on 02/03/2012 9:38:48 PM PST by bauerpauer ("All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."-Edmund Burke)
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To: Jemian

Hm, didn’t consider that one, thanks.


41 posted on 02/03/2012 9:42:02 PM PST by bauerpauer ("All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."-Edmund Burke)
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To: bauerpauer

Anyplace your conservative friends are going. College these days is political group think. Good luck on finding a direction not entirely political toward Marxism.


42 posted on 02/03/2012 9:47:05 PM PST by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)/?)
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To: Fiji Hill

No, thanks.


43 posted on 02/03/2012 9:48:19 PM PST by bauerpauer ("All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."-Edmund Burke)
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To: hal ogen

Thanks, but I’ve had my fair share of that in Bay Area public schools. Skills are honed.


44 posted on 02/03/2012 9:51:15 PM PST by bauerpauer ("All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."-Edmund Burke)
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To: Washi

If he waits until he’s 24 he is independent for financial aid purposes and if he doesn’t have a good paying job he may get a lot. Before people scream at me “he should pay his own way”, just know that colleges get a certain amount of aid and if he doesn’t get it someone else will. If he worked p/t and took some community college courses (gen Ed stuff usually needed everywhere) until he were 24 he’d have a leg up and could apply to a 4 year school and get some good aid.


45 posted on 02/03/2012 9:54:13 PM PST by MacMattico
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To: bauerpauer
No Catholic universities especially Jesuit, Georgetown, Boston College, San Francisco, Holy Cross and my school Fairfield. they are really Marxist and extremely liberal.
46 posted on 02/03/2012 9:57:56 PM PST by Kozy (Calling Al Gore)
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To: Texas56

Thank you, I’m seriously considering Texas A&M or Baylor.


47 posted on 02/03/2012 9:58:46 PM PST by bauerpauer ("All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."-Edmund Burke)
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To: carjic

I’m a Hillsdale alum and I enthusiastically recommend it.


48 posted on 02/03/2012 10:25:19 PM PST by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: carjic

33 E. College St.
Hillsdale, MI 49242
(517) 437-7341
http://www.hillsdale.edu


49 posted on 02/03/2012 10:27:10 PM PST by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: MacMattico; Texas56; EDINVA; grey_whiskers; conservatism_IS_compassion; bigbob; Domestic Church; ...
Thank you, everyone, for your advice.

It seems that the prevailing thought is that community college is a good place to start with his core educational / pre-engineering courses.

I wasn't aware of the 24 year old financial aid issue. I can likely help him get through two years of community college and then let him secure his own federal education loan for whichever engineering school he attends.

I'll be sending him to the community college adviser on Monday.

50 posted on 02/03/2012 10:50:28 PM PST by Washi (Surviving the Zombie Apocalypse, one head-shot at a time.)
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