VANITY: Is Mormonism Christian or is it not?

Vanity ^ | 2-10-2012 | Vanity

[OKSooner]

Is it a fair question to ask... Is Mormonism Christian or is it not?

If you care enough to respond and tell me it's not a fair question, please explain why not.

[sickoflibs]

I see you DID have an opinion on this question LOL

[sickoflibs]

I see you DID have an opinion on this question LOL

[AnTiw1]

Let's broaden it some more, then...

Was Joseph Smith a pedophile? (Seven wives under the age of eighteen, youngest was fourteen years old)

[LomanBill]

"...who, being themselves but fallible and uninspired men, have assumed dominion over the faith of others, setting up their own opinions and modes of thinking as the only true and infallible, and as such endeavoring to impose them on others, hath established and maintained false religions over the greatest part of the world, and through all time;

 

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 that it is time enough for the rightful purposes of civil government, for its officers to interfere when principles break out into overt acts against peace and good order; and finally, that truth is great and will prevail if left to herself, that she is the proper and sufficient antagonist to error, and has nothing to fear from the conflict, unless by human interposition disarmed of her natural weapons, free argument and debate, errors ceasing to be dangerous when it is permitted freely to contradict them. "

 

"I HAVE SWORN UPON THE ALTAR OF GOD ETERNAL HOSTILITY TO EVERY FORM OF TYRANNY OVER THE MIND OF MAN"

--The Virginia Act For Establishing Religious Freedom
--Thomas Jefferson, 1786

http://religiousfreedom.lib.virginia.edu/sacred/vaact.html

 

[AnTiw1]

The mormon brain trust is having unforeseen technical difficulties. Please try your call again later.

[Tennessee Nana]

fso: If upon hearing the Gospel Message from a Mormon missionary”.

Nana: So lets hear it so we can judge for ourseves...

fso: Since I’m not a Mormon missionary, I can’t say but from Brigham Young’s website, I find the following:

The gospel or doctrine of Christ teaches that salvation is available through his authorized servants to all who will (1) believe in Christ; (2) repent of their sins; (3) be baptized in water as a witness of their willingness to take his name upon them and keep his commandments; (4) receive the Holy Ghost by the laying-on of hands; and (5) endure to the end.

I see no problem with any of that serious enough to say such believer is not a Christian.
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Well fso391 and OKSooner lets see what a Mormon leader sai8d about the Mormon idea of salvation...

as you will read it does not agree with the Christian Bible...

“Salvation can not be gained except through baptism of water and the spirit, nor can exaltation be achieved except through temple endowments and the sealing of families together for eternity. These saving and exalting ordinances are performed vicariously in temples for the worthy dead who did not have the opportunity to receive them in this life. We are commanded to go with our might, collect all the accurate genealogical data we can, and perform these saving and exalting ordinances for our worthy ancestors. Obviously, due to the frailties, incapacities, and errors of mortal men, and because the records of past ages are often scanty and inaccurate, this great work can not be completed for every worthy soul without assistance from on high.

The millennial era is the time primarily, when this assistance will be given by resurrected beings.

Genealogical records unknown to us will then become available. Errors committed by us in sealings or other ordinances will be rectified, and all things will be arranged in proper order. Temple work will be the great work of the millennium.”

Joseph Fielding Smith- Doctrines of Salvation Vol. 2 P.P. 251-252

[narses]

jukeman says:

“Pray to the Pope? Not I. Nor will I pray to “Mother Mary”.”

Could you say a prayer for me?

[NYer]

The Catechism of the Catholic Church states: “The Lord himself affirms that baptism is necessary for salvation” [John 3:5] (CCC 1257). Through baptism men and women are freed from sin, are reborn as children of God, and, configured to Christ by an indelible character, are incorporated into the Church (Can. 849). The Sacrament of Baptism makes you a Christian.

The validity of this sacrament depends on the following requirements:

1. The correct matter (water)
2. The correct form (baptizing in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit (Matthew 28:19)
3. The correct intention (to do what the Church does)

In July 2001, the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith gave a negative response to the validity of Baptism conferred in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

Father Luis Ladaria, S.J. says in summary:

“The Baptism of the Catholic Church and that of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints differ essentially, both for what concerns faith in the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, in whose name Baptism is conferred, and for what concerns the relationship to Christ who instituted it. As a result of all this, it is understood that the Catholic Church has to consider invalid, that is to say, cannot consider true Baptism, the rite given that name by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latterday Saints."

It is worth noting that the Catholic Church recognizes baptism from most christian churches but not from the Mormon Church.

[NYer]

The Catechism of the Catholic Church states: “The Lord himself affirms that baptism is necessary for salvation” [John 3:5] (CCC 1257). Through baptism men and women are freed from sin, are reborn as children of God, and, configured to Christ by an indelible character, are incorporated into the Church (Can. 849). The Sacrament of Baptism makes you a Christian.

The validity of this sacrament depends on the following requirements:

1. The correct matter (water)
2. The correct form (baptizing in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit (Matthew 28:19)
3. The correct intention (to do what the Church does)

In July 2001, the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith gave a negative response to the validity of Baptism conferred in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

Father Luis Ladaria, S.J. says in summary:

“The Baptism of the Catholic Church and that of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints differ essentially, both for what concerns faith in the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, in whose name Baptism is conferred, and for what concerns the relationship to Christ who instituted it. As a result of all this, it is understood that the Catholic Church has to consider invalid, that is to say, cannot consider true Baptism, the rite given that name by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latterday Saints."

It is worth noting that the Catholic Church recognizes baptism from most christian churches but not from the Mormon Church.

[RIghtwardHo]

Absolutely.

[whattajoke]

Is that kinda like a paraplegic watching porn?

Yes. It is. It's frustrating as hell knowing the actors on the screen are not really enjoying what they're doing (arguing about religion), the climax is fake (heaven or hell or becoming a god on your own planet) and I can't do a damn thing about it.

[Elsie]

If the Christian Mormon bashers on this thread are right, we have an obligation to work at saving the souls of our lost Mormon brothers and sisters with LOVE like JESUS taught us, not venom like I see here.

If you are going to accuse me of being UNLOVING; then at LEAST get the OBJECT of my hatred right!

It's mormonISM!

[Elsie]

Was this a big announcement? Memos to the wards? Did anyone object?

It really doesn't matter; for in the future, it would be referenced by ANTIs for some reason or another, and a future wannabe MORMON apologist would complain: "That's not SCRIPTURE; but mere opinion of man."

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They really DO want it both ways!

[OKSooner]

I'd like to thank everyone who has constructively contributed to this thread and also I'd like to clarify something:

I am not a Mormon, nor am I a "Romneybot".

I am New Testament Christian who believes and tries to live by the Nicene Creed.

I have been supporting Newt in the Republican primary but with Rick's recent surge I am giving him a second look. I will vote for one of these two in "my state's" primary on March 6th.

There is at least one insane person on this thread who seems to have convinced herself otherwise, along with apparently some sort of other delusion of a more personal nature, which have both been posted publicly on this thread. I hope there's only one individual suffering this way and no more.

Thanks again to the overwhelming (sane) majority who have offered constructive comments.

[Elsie]

Doctrine and Covenants
Section 132:66

And now, as pertaining to this law, verily, verily, I say unto you, I will reveal more unto you, hereafter; therefore, let this suffice for the present.

MORMON 'scripture' says "VERILY" a lot...

[Elsie]

If you read the Book of Mormon you’ll find that the central message is that Jesus is the Christ, the Savior and Redeemer of the world

Of COURSE it is; since the BoM has HUNDREDS of KJV lifted verses in it.

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If you were REALLY a MORMON; you'd see that NO MORMON doctrine comes from the BoM.

You'd ALSO see that NONE of the Temple Rituals® come from ANY MORMON scripture; but from the mind of man.

[Elsie]

still out there, still cluttering the forum with bigotry, still viewing the world through a bigot filter, still hyping drivel.

BERT, Bert, bert...

Still getting upset over the posting of MORMON scripture?

[Elsie]

Respectable? You don’t bother anyone, deal honestly, obey the law, and pay your taxes. Any religion where most of the flock does this is usually considered OK.

Nice virtues; but WHERE is the RELIGION part?

[Elsie]

Yes, I broadened the thread didn’t I. If you have a problem with that, simply ignore me.

Ignore you?

Why?

I just merely pointed out the TACTICS that some folks use to let MORMONs off the hook.

I hope you have no problem with that...

[Elsie]

The gospel or doctrine of Christ teaches that salvation is available through his authorized servants to all who will (1) believe in Christ; (2) repent of their sins; (3) be baptized in water as a witness of their willingness to take his name upon them and keep his commandments; (4) receive the Holy Ghost by the laying-on of hands; and (5) endure to the end. I see no problem with any of that serious enough to say such believer is not a Christian.

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