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1 posted on 02/18/2012 8:42:05 AM PST by occam's chainsaw
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Tell them:

“Birth control is not a right. Anyone choosing to use birth control should spend their own money on it.”

or,

“I should not be taxed to pay for someone else’s birth control.”

Keep it simple. This should not be on your dime. It is wrong to force you to pay for it.


2 posted on 02/18/2012 8:45:39 AM PST by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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birth control ONLY wedges out liberals who want all their free stuff but don't want to pay more taxes. And those are the only people upset, and they are not needed.
3 posted on 02/18/2012 8:45:49 AM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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I always squelch such arguments by saying “I don’t see why women get the right to commit murder out of convenience and men don’t.”


4 posted on 02/18/2012 8:50:03 AM PST by GenXteacher (He that hath no stomach for this fight, let him depart!)
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This is sleight of hand...obama has focused our attention on this ridiculous issue when the object is to get rid of him administration, and obamacare will go along with it...THAT will solve the problem.

Otherwise it's just being used as another pinprick to try and villify those "nasty republicans".

We need to learn to ignore his minutia and focus on the big picture...all of these problems will dwindle in importance if we get the "king" off his throne in November.
5 posted on 02/18/2012 8:51:30 AM PST by FrankR (You are only enslaved to the extent of the entitlements you receive.)
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Dude - the women you describe were NEVER going to be pulling the Republican lever anyway.


6 posted on 02/18/2012 8:52:04 AM PST by rhinohunter (Not voting for RINO Romney...no way...no how)
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we should be asking...”why not just throw in a requirement to pay for abortions too?”. By the left’s logic, a woman has a right to an abortion, therefore, why shouldn’t a religious organization be forced to pay for that too? ...please explain the difference!

That’s where I’d like to take the discussion...it’d separate those with no problem on the “paying for contraception” but oppose abortion and those that have no problem with either.


7 posted on 02/18/2012 8:53:26 AM PST by fuzzylogic (welfare state = sharing consequences of poor moral choices among everybody)
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I reject the premise of the title. What makes you think this is a successful wedge issue?

I don't think American women are as foolish as you're implying...

8 posted on 02/18/2012 8:54:13 AM PST by sargon (I don't like the sound of these "boncentration bamps")
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I got a chuckle from a liberal after I posted on my Facebook page that I wanted to vote for a candidate who would force PETA to pay for my pastrami.

Analogy works well.


12 posted on 02/18/2012 9:00:48 AM PST by Claud
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“Now that the left is successfully employing this wedge argument “

What are you talking about ?????????????


13 posted on 02/18/2012 9:01:11 AM PST by UB355 (Slower traffic keep right)
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Pass along the article by Democrat Dick Morris calling out this strategy to try to blur the lines between birth control and abortion. It is pretty damning they are trying to manipulate people. People on all sides should be insulted by this.

http://www.newshounds.us/dick_morris_abc_s_george_stephanopoulos_is_a_paid_democratic_hit_man_02162012

Considering this was one of Clinton’s advisers, you can use the issue to actually turn off Clinton Democrats to Obama.


15 posted on 02/18/2012 9:03:06 AM PST by mnehring
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I would ask questions on the comments and get them to state whatever false claim they are making, then knock it out of the park. There is no issue at hand to ‘take away contraception’. It is purely manufactured. This is low hanging fruit for our side to return the discussion to Obamacare. Whatever BS they state, bring it back to the fed govt control issues. Don’t make it about social issues or personal beliefs. That is what the left is banking on.


18 posted on 02/18/2012 9:09:29 AM PST by ilgipper (Everything you get from the government was taken from someone else)
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Facebook friends are going CRAZY over this isssue. One comforting another saying this will be good for O as the “enlightened” women will be supporting him in droves.
They are up in arms about the women being refused to speak (when the hearing was about Presidential overreach) not women’s rights.
They don’t want to hear anything but what fits with their agenda.
So I continue to ruffle their feathers with my conservative perspective. Enlightened Californians VS. hick town gal...


19 posted on 02/18/2012 9:12:58 AM PST by kactus
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The answer is simple. We tell the truth. We expose the lies. We stand up for strong principles and we don’t let this distract us from the important issues.


20 posted on 02/18/2012 9:15:13 AM PST by detective
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There are good arguments to advance, but there has to be someone at home inside the brain in order to benefit.

Sounds like the comments you read were mostly from women who choose not to think or can’t, even if they meant to.

I would go after Obama and the Dems, straightway, and don’t bother to pass “go”.

What gives the Federal Government the power that they are claiming under Obamacare, to force others...whether religious organizations or insurance companies or whatever, to ORDER someone to pay for another’s birth control???

I would tell them the power to do so is being usurped...the Constitution does not empower this and it’s against everything America stands for and its military has fought and died for.

That a government powerful enough to force someone else to pay for your birth control, whether the someone else is a private insurance business or a religious institution who opposes it on religious grounds, is powerful enough to inspect your child’s sack lunch at school and tell them their mommy didn’t pack a good enough lunch, eat the government’s lunch instead.

I would tell them Obama and the Dems believe they are stupid, or else they wouldn’t try to get their votes by bribing them with a government guarantee of “free” birth control.

I would tell them to vote on the basis of the economy and the debt and that we are becoming Greece, and that Obama knows it and is fine with our system collapsing...in fact, that’s what he plans to feed off of to gain even more power.

But if I have to explain any of that to them, is there anyone at home in their brains?

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***I support Newt Gingich, btw, since I believe he is so much better positioned to handle this hogwash and whatever else they throw at us.***


21 posted on 02/18/2012 9:17:40 AM PST by txrangerette ("HOLD TO THE TRUTH...SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR" - Glenn Beck)
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There are a couple issues here. If someone is trying to tell you that Santorum is against birth control, tell them that this is a media gotcha concoction. Santorum does not support any banning of birth control. And if he lives a personal lifestyle that is without birth control, well, every president we’ve ever had comes with a lifestyle, and we are under no obligation to follow them, no matter how kinky...

And if they are talking about the catholic church and birth control on their health insurance palette, remind the person that birth control is easily available and isn’t expensive. We don’t need to pay through our premiums for other people’s sex lives. Just as we don’t need government or insurance companies to cover our tooth or hair products, we don’t need them to cover our sex products.

The religious issue is that it is anti-Christian in particular and anti- Constitutional overall. Asking Catholic institutions to cover birth control is like forcing mosques and synagogues to offer bacon. Obama would NEVER force a mosque to serve pork.


22 posted on 02/18/2012 9:18:28 AM PST by Yaelle (Go Santorum!)
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I support Newt Ging(r)ich...


24 posted on 02/18/2012 9:21:29 AM PST by txrangerette ("HOLD TO THE TRUTH...SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR" - Glenn Beck)
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With the help of the media the administration has switched the argument from health care to birth control. Birth control pills are not a prescriptive health remedy. They are a lifestyle choice. If it is right to make health insurers pay for birth control pills, why not mandate that auto insurers pay for tires?


25 posted on 02/18/2012 9:26:54 AM PST by Baynative (Please check this out - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFIcZkEzc8I)
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I don’t know that it’s successful. Are you thinking it’s successful because the MSM is talking about it? If so, why bother? That will never change.


27 posted on 02/18/2012 9:30:50 AM PST by BfloGuy (The final outcome of the credit expansion is general impoverishment.)
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The “right” to free birth control is predicated on the notion that sex is an entitlement in this country.
Think about it.
It therefore follows that sex should be (must be) without consequences and birth control must be free to all. After all, how else are you going to make abortion “rare”?
Since these women believe that sex is a right, I think the arguement is lost, unless we can convince them that if free birth control for necessary sex is a right, then free food is also a right.


28 posted on 02/18/2012 9:30:50 AM PST by Wiser now (Socialism does not eliminate poverty, it guarantees it.)
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They are trying to pretend that being against something being free is the same thing as wanting to outlaw it.

Simply point out the idiocy of this logic.

People with two brain cells in a row will recognize the idiocy.

The others are incapable of rational thought, so there is no point in bothering with them further.

31 posted on 02/18/2012 9:40:00 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the fascists.)
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