Posted on 02/19/2012 3:57:01 AM PST by Chance Hart
First off, I am a conservative and have spent countless hours listening to and reading the books of all these men. Reading Levin's Liberty and Tyranny was compelling, as were many of the publications of these Patriots. With the VAST amount of Constitutional research accumulated in order to write these best sellers, there is and has always has been one important fact known to ALL these men to be a Constitutional FACT missing. That non negotiable FACT is that according to the Constitution, Barack Hussein Obama is NOT eligible to be placed on the ballot, let alone occupy his present position as President of the United States of America! Obama himself touts the fact that his father was a British Subject at the time of his “BHO 2’s” birth, making him at the very least a duel citizen and not eligible to hold the office as president. Furthermore, Daddy was NEVER a citizen of the United States, again making Jr. ineligible with that fact alone. None of these men (as far as I know) served in the military for whatever reason and I think there may be some suppressed guilt because of that when I hear their accolades regarding current and former Men of Honor. As they refer to many of their callers and guests as “Brother”, they at the same time have never felt compelled to commit the heroic act of jumping on a Firecracker, let alone a Grenade to help save their “Brothers” and in the end help save this Nation. Levin is the one that has disappointed me the most when I heard him disenfranchise many of his loyal listeners on Jan 19th, 2010 (may have been the 20th) by referring to those that even questioned the eligibility issue as (paraphrasing) ignorant and foolish. He followed that comment by saying that Obama was of course eligible to be President. He, in my opinion is an expert on the Constitution and knows full well that his statement was an out and out lie. When the truth finally reveals itself, I can almost hear the excuses from these Less than Honorable radio and TV Patriots now – 1. I was given strict orders from station bosses not to bring up or allow discussion on the eligibility issue and to refer to those that do bring it up as ignorant Birthers. 2. Yes, I of course knew the simple truth, but decided it was the wrong approach to be honest when the proper way to handle this was at the Ballot Box. 3. Book sales were BOOMING and I was too GUTLESS to show the Courage that I ask my listeners to display on a daily basis. 4. There are a few in the business that are standing their ground on this issue and Liberals are calling them names. Sticks and Stones will break my Bones and even Words would really hurt me because I AM A COWARD! By the way, there are thousands of these Cowards walking the halls of Congress and other places that have at least to this point failed to MAN UP. All this makes me admire all the more the few that in their heart really do trust God Almighty and FEAR NO EVIL.
Everyone has their own battles to fight. If this is the battle you want to fight, you fight it. Don’t expect others to fight it for you.
Do you think that maybe they didn’t go down this path because there are so many jokers and pranksters messing with it, it is hard to tell real from fiction? Think about all the phony ‘Kenyan Birth Certificates’ or stories thrown on the public as a joke (example, the red background one that was a joke Something Awful that is still going around).
They fight the battles they choose, you fight the battle you choose.
But until a keyboard warrior does a fraction of what they do, I would suggest holding off on calling them a coward. It reminds me of the guy sitting in front of his TV with the game on who ‘knows more than the coach’ (sic).
” Jan 19th, 2010 (may have been the 20th) by referring to those that even questioned the eligibility issue as (paraphrasing) ignorant and foolish.”
I listen to Mark Levin every day, and he never said this. Produce evidence or quit misrepresenting Mark.
He has explained why HE does not beat the issue to death, and it is because, in his estimation, it will not remove Obama from office.
He NEVER said the issue was unimportant or that those who believe it is important are fools.
And if you can suggest better spokesmen and advocates for conservatism than Mark Levin and Rush Limbaugh, please do. Put up or shut up.
“Less than Honorable”????
You are a little hysterical there.
It also sets a precedent of making this void in the future.
There is great power behind him in order to scrub and keep his background hidden.
It helps explain many things that are lawless with this administration.
Breitbart on why the media tends to ignore Fast and Furious
...Fast and Furious happened, Breitbart explained, “for the purposes of creating a narrative that they could use in America to try and thwart our Second Amendment constitutional rights. I don’t think the most sinister screenwriter could imagine a government that would abide by that, let alone the media to cover that up.”
The arguments are pretty simple, until case law language is cherry-picked.
The intention of the clause in the constitution is to limit the presidency to those who have undivided loyalty, from birth, to the US. There is a risk inherent in giving the presidency to a person having dual or divided citizenship.
The prevailing legal "wisdom" is that a child born in the US, to two non-citizen parents, who is raised in a foreign country by those foreigners, is a natural born citizen. The logic is that the ONLY factor that matters is location of birth. This, they say, is what the Constitution intends by the words "natural born citizen." The allegiance and citizenship of the parents is irrelevant, according to the prevailing legal "wisdom."
What have you imbeciles ever done for conservatism on the level of Mark Levin or Rush Limbaugh? Nothing.
You sound like a bunch of Paultards or “Weiner Nation” fans.
>>But until a keyboard warrior does a fraction of what they do, I would suggest holding off on calling them a coward. It reminds me of the guy sitting in front of his TV with the game on who ‘knows more than the coach’ (sic).<<
AMEN. Can you believe these idiots?
All of the figures that you mention have looked into it, thought about it critically, weighed the “evidence” and decided that there is nothing to it.
The way to get rid of Obama is the old fashioned way- vote him out. If we can't do this, and the country actually wants this guy, the problem is a lot bigger than Obama and where his father was born. The problem is that the populous is irreversibly lost.
There is a possibility that you have not considered.
All of the figures that you mention have looked into it, thought about it critically, weighed the “evidence” and decided that there is nothing to it.
The way to get rid of Obama is the old fashioned way- vote him out. If we can’t do this, and the country actually wants this guy, the problem is a lot bigger than Obama and where his father was born. The problem is that the populous is irreversibly lost.
I trust the 80% of non liberal/progressive to do right things.I don't trust the liberatard demoRats or Publicans.
What "evidence" did they look at? Zero has successfully sequestered any and all records pertaining to his past. So what "evidence" did they look at?
“...just curious, why would you dismiss the court cases sited to back up two parent NBC”
There are not any. Minor said two parent NBC was agreed, but that others had a broader definition, and that they would not try to settle it.
The problem is that, at the time of the approval of the Constitution, NO ONE had suggested two citizen parents were a requirement. All the law prior used the phrase ‘natural born subject’ - and that phrase was used interchangeably with natural born citizen for at least a few years after the Constitution.
All agree that the definition of natural born subject included those born to alien parents. The first suggestion otherwise appeared in a poor translation of Vattel 10 year AFTER the Constitution, when ‘indigenes’ was translated ‘natural born citizen’ - although indigenes is an English word as well as French, with the same meaning in both languages.
The WKA decision has a long discussion of the meaning of NBC, and birth citizenship. While many here dislike the decision, it certainly has been an influential one. It won’t be overturned by people who ignore what it says. You can read the full text here:
http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/historics/USSC_CR_0169_0649_ZO.html
“It doesn’t help that birthers on this thread have made dishonest statements that they know are dishonest.” / “Care to list them? Just a few, maybe.”
Sure. In post 16, Spaulding wrote, “Of course all of our Senators signed SR511 in April 2008, all acknowledging that a natural born citizen is born to two citizen parents (though the testimony showed some sophistry by never citing Supreme Court cases and by citing the 1790 Nationality Act without noting that it was entirely replaced with no mention of natural born citizenship.”
Now, what Spaulding knows - because it has been pointed out to him many times - is that SR511 dealt with children born overseas to American parents. He pretends it means that all NBC require two citizen parents, even tho he knows that was not the subject of SR511. That is dishonest. Nothing in SR511 in any way applied to those born in the USA.
Frankly, there is a stronger case for Obama being a natural born citizen than there was for McCain. There has been legal doubt all along concerning those born to US citizens abroad. The confusion caused by the mistranslation of Vattel in 1797 was settled by the WKA decision in the 1890s, but the case for McCain is weaker.
Rush has slyly hinted at it (not eligible) but not often. They have been warned off. Even palin pooh poohed the issue.
I do not have to worry too much about some one slandering my reputation because i do not know that it is very good to begin with,
and i do not have millions in my bank account so they would not be able to take much from me on those points so that makes me pretty brave.
And also i have to wonder if they do not know any more than the rest of us, but considering the fact that they do not say what we think they should say makes me wonder if they know so much that it literally scares the hell out of them even more than we think.
Your thoughts are as good as mine.
Maybe all these “cowards” know that the end result of unleashing a “constitutional crisis” of this magnitude might not be the best thing for the country since the usurper in office is almost gone....and it might not be worth whatever forces are unleashed....there is a serious under current of unrest in this country just waiting for a reason to cause mayhem
I’m not the smartest guy in the room but I would bet a lot of money..... The country would be FAR worst off if the birther movement actually achieved it’s goal.... Even though I agree Zero is not eligible
Please read post #4. It is now in readable paragraphs and worth the effort to read it.
I've got my copy of the Constitution her in my den and upon reading it, I can't find the definition of natural born citizen {which I assume is the FACT that you refer to}.
There have been several SC cases but no solid definition of natural born citizen that eliminates a person that is born on US soil from being a natural born citizen.
Your FACTS are at best opinions and in dispute, so maybe you should tread a little lightly on the COWARD bit.
“Whereas he ignores the plaintiff’s argument and proof that obozo was born to a foreign father, therefore has dual citizenship/loyalty, not a nbc and not qualified to be on the ballot!”
He did not ignore that argument, but he rejected it - based on the WKA decision & Ankeny. Had he done otherwise, he would have been promptly overturned as an incompetent judge for ignoring the law.
“There are more than three balances of power ( congress, the administration, the courts). There are really **six**!...
4.Honest elections and the people’s will to elect competent and honest representatives.
5.The military and their loyalty and oath to defend the Constitution.
6.The Second Amendment.”
Consider adding a seventh: Right to a Trial by Jury.
“What “evidence” did they look at? Zero has successfully sequestered any and all records pertaining to his past. So what “evidence” did they look at?”
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Then what the hell are you talking about? IF there is no “real” evidence then this is a discussion about UFOs or the Loch Ness Monster. For cryin’ out loud, no wonder these right-media folks want nothing nto do with it. IF you ever have anything, then come forward if not then perhaps you’d be better off hunting Sasquatch.
All of that said, why the insults and name calling and insults? Disagree, ok, but calling some of these guys, especially Levin, are anything but cowards.
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