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Rock art discovery could shed light on when New World was settled
Telegraph UK ^ | February 23, 2012 | Fiona Govan

Posted on 02/27/2012 4:15:29 PM PST by SunkenCiv

The outline of a figure scratched into a cave in Lapa do Santo in central-eastern Brazil is believed to be between 10,000 and 12,000 years and has been dubbed "the horny little man" because of its oversized phallus.

The team of archaeologists from the University of Sao Paulo in Brazil made the discovery during excavations in 2009 but unveiled their findings in this month's PLoS ONE scientific journal.

"It shows that about 11,000 years ago, there was already a very diverse manifestation of rock art in South America, so man probably arrived in the Americas much earlier than normally is accepted," explained Walter Alves Neves, the archaeologist and biological anthropologist leading the team.

The figure, which appears to be squatting with his arms outstretched, is about 12 inches tall from head to feet and about 8 inches wide. The phallus is about 2 inches long, about the same length as the man's left arm.

"The figure, which we named 'the horny little man', is probably linked to some kind of fertility ritual," Mr Neves said.

Carbon dating and other tests of the sediment covering the petroglyph suggest the engraving dates between 10,000 and 12,000 years old -- making it the oldest reliably dated example of such rock art found yet in the Americas.

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


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The figure, dubbed 'The little horny man' because of the huge phallus, was discovered in Lapa do Santo, eastern central Brazil, and is thought to be between 9,000 and 12,000 years old. Photo: NEVES WA/ARAUJO AGM/BERNARDO DV

Rock art discovery could shed light on when New World was settled

1 posted on 02/27/2012 4:15:34 PM PST by SunkenCiv
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To: Renfield; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; decimon; 1010RD; 21twelve; 24Karet; ...

 GGG managers are SunkenCiv, StayAt HomeMother & Ernest_at_the_Beach
To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.


2 posted on 02/27/2012 4:17:39 PM PST by SunkenCiv (FReep this FReepathon!)
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To: SunkenCiv

Wow...Talk about imagination. What a bunch of ahs


3 posted on 02/27/2012 4:19:54 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: SunkenCiv
"The figure, which we named 'the horny little man', is probably linked to some kind of fertility ritual"

Ancient porn.

4 posted on 02/27/2012 4:21:41 PM PST by YHAOS (you betcha!)
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To: SunkenCiv

5 posted on 02/27/2012 4:23:22 PM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas gerit ;-{)
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To: SunkenCiv

Somebody’s really reaching on that one. I’d be more impressed with the duck bill, if I werre them. Not as titillating as a “huge phallus,” I guess.


6 posted on 02/27/2012 4:23:29 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: YHAOS

Why would anyone even consider that it is a picture of MAN...why not a lizard....which would make a lot more sense.


7 posted on 02/27/2012 4:24:20 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: RegulatorCountry

It seems to be raised...not carved...????


8 posted on 02/27/2012 4:26:05 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Sacajaweau

Damp environment, something akin to calcification? It does look like an accumulation of some sort.


9 posted on 02/27/2012 4:29:36 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: SunkenCiv
I saw the exact same thing....at work, after someone left the coffee pot run dry...

The crud in the bottom...looked just like that!!!

10 posted on 02/27/2012 4:30:56 PM PST by Osage Orange (E tan e epi tas)
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To: Osage Orange

Tner was a lizard man with a duck bill and a huge phallus in the bottom of your coffepot, lol?


11 posted on 02/27/2012 4:33:58 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: Osage Orange
Dating the sediment covering the "picture"...I would say all the sediment in the cave was of the same date...Kinda like a duh....not like they hauled in new stuff...

These people are paid big bucks!!

12 posted on 02/27/2012 4:38:23 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: RegulatorCountry
If you were tripping....like Janis Joplin, sure maybe.

All I saw was black boiled dried bubbled something............

13 posted on 02/27/2012 4:39:01 PM PST by Osage Orange (E tan e epi tas)
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To: JoeProBono
Looks like moose drool.
14 posted on 02/27/2012 4:40:04 PM PST by HereInTheHeartland (I love how the FR spellchecker doesn't recognize the word "Obama")
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To: Sacajaweau

Obviously a gecko...what GEICO ads looked like 11,000 years ago.


15 posted on 02/27/2012 4:42:16 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: SunkenCiv

From reading the excerpt I was sure they had discovered a picture of my ancestor, but after seeing the ‘horny little man’ I have regretfully concluded that this figure isn’t part of my family tree at all.

Looks more like a duck-billed platypus exulting over catching a clam.

(You know something. I have enough wild imagination that I could probably have been successful as a grant-eating archeologist)


16 posted on 02/27/2012 4:44:54 PM PST by wildbill (You're just jealous because the Voices talk only to me.)
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To: Osage Orange

It actually looks like som sort of insect or worm built it with secretions, like termites or “dirt dauber” wasps do, now that I’ve looked at it a while.


17 posted on 02/27/2012 4:46:00 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: Sacajaweau

I wonder why it never occurs to them that maybe some of the stuff they find are just doodles...


18 posted on 02/27/2012 4:46:10 PM PST by visualops (artlife.us)
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To: SunkenCiv
I think it's stretching to think that this looks like a guy with a dork. It looks more like a variation on the squatting man figures (thousands found worldwide) that are representations of one particular type of plasma instabilities seen in a high current Z-pinch aurora that occurred some 20,000 years ago PDF available here.

These images were adapted from Peratt's research by another group whose interpretation of the phenomenon Peratt disavows. The image in the upper left is of a plasma phenomenon that would have been visible worldwide and reproduced at various declinations depending on latitude of observation. The other images are of rock art from around the world that are believed to depict the plasma phenomenon. You can see more examples of other plasma instabilities and their representation in similar rock art in the above-linked PDF by Peratt.


19 posted on 02/27/2012 4:48:27 PM PST by aruanan
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To: SunkenCiv
It's a tail.


20 posted on 02/27/2012 4:49:25 PM PST by Leroy S. Mort
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To: SunkenCiv

Looks like a map to me.


21 posted on 02/27/2012 4:49:46 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Would you sing if someone sucked YOU up the vacuum cleaner hose?)
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To: RegulatorCountry

Psychiatrist: You seem to have a sexual fixation.

Patient: Hey! You’re the one with the dirty pictures.


22 posted on 02/27/2012 4:52:45 PM PST by DManA
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To: SunkenCiv

That’s one strange looking “ man “ ......someone has a very vivid imagination


23 posted on 02/27/2012 4:53:27 PM PST by Popman (America is squandering its wealth on riotous living, war, and welfare.)
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To: YHAOS

;’)


24 posted on 02/27/2012 4:58:57 PM PST by SunkenCiv (FReep this FReepathon!)
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To: aruanan; SunkenCiv
I need to check the date in the PDF. I think it may be a lot more recent that 20k bp. Okay, from the second paper (IEEE TRANSACTIONS ON PLASMA SCIENCE, VOL. 35, NO.4, August 2007, Characteristics for the Occurrence fo a High-Current Z-Pinch Aurora as Recorded in Antiquity Part II: Directionality and Source, Peratt AL, McGovern J, Qoyawayma AH, Vander Sluijs MA, and Peratt MG) I read Neolithic, Early Bronze Age.
25 posted on 02/27/2012 4:59:48 PM PST by aruanan
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To: RegulatorCountry

That or the baked drool of Obama supporter’s after a night of gay sex and tequila shooters.


26 posted on 02/27/2012 5:15:56 PM PST by Osage Orange (E tan e epi tas)
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To: SunkenCiv

Paleoporn?


27 posted on 02/27/2012 5:17:34 PM PST by eCSMaster (Conservatives, Rise up!)
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To: eCSMaster

There is evidence worldwide of something in human history as awesome as a huge Z-pinch aurora caused by a massive solar storm that probably had lasting effects on civilization and myth and all they can see in the rock art are schlongs?


28 posted on 02/27/2012 5:20:48 PM PST by aruanan
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To: eCSMaster

Paleoporn?


Porn for paleoconservatives?


29 posted on 02/27/2012 5:27:53 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: aruanan; Fred Nerks; Renfield

Thanks aruanan.


30 posted on 02/27/2012 5:31:32 PM PST by SunkenCiv (FReep this FReepathon!)
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To: SunkenCiv

Neck too long to be man.

Three digits, no man I know, but a bird maybe.


31 posted on 02/27/2012 5:36:44 PM PST by Battle Axe (Repent, for the coming of the Lord is nigh.)
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To: Popman

They call that big???

Snicker


32 posted on 02/27/2012 5:40:08 PM PST by Steve Newton (And the Wolves will learn what we have shown before-We love our sheep we dogs of war. Vaughn)
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To: SunkenCiv

It looks like a map of a series of canals to me. Who says it’s a man? That’s just pure fantasy and speculation.


33 posted on 02/27/2012 6:00:24 PM PST by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: SunkenCiv

34 posted on 02/27/2012 6:01:39 PM PST by Beowulf9
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To: SunkenCiv

Scribbles from one species of scribbly gum moth on the trunk of a eucalypt

Scribbly gums: interpreting their scribbles

It's a snake with wings!

35 posted on 02/27/2012 6:25:29 PM PST by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: aruanan
I have a collected a large number of these representations - of what? They appear all over the world, in the Alps, on Easter Island, on the African continent - and here's one from CARAL in Peru:


36 posted on 02/27/2012 6:54:40 PM PST by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: Sacajaweau
"Why would anyone even consider that it is a picture of MAN...why not a lizard...."

Uhhh . . . hyper imagination?

37 posted on 02/27/2012 6:55:55 PM PST by YHAOS (you betcha!)
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To: SunkenCiv
Well . . . it is.
Maybe . . .
38 posted on 02/27/2012 6:58:44 PM PST by YHAOS (you betcha!)
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Could have been a cartoon character, or maybe an early version of Kokopeli?
39 posted on 02/27/2012 7:02:43 PM PST by SunkenCiv (FReep this FReepathon!)
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To: SunkenCiv

40 posted on 02/27/2012 7:39:18 PM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas gerit ;-{)
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To: SunkenCiv

Boy that’s really astute, yes it really could.


41 posted on 02/27/2012 8:01:33 PM PST by Beowulf9
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To: SunkenCiv

When is a tail a phallus? Answer, when you are a Freudian psychologist.


42 posted on 02/28/2012 7:22:39 PM PST by LoneRangerMassachusetts (The meek shall not inherit the Earth)
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To: Fred Nerks; SunkenCiv; eCSMaster; Sacajaweau; YHAOS; JoeProBono; RegulatorCountry; Osage Orange; ...
Look at those Peratt papers.

Here are the links to the PDFs of three papers dealing with it. In a previous post I thought I had linked to the first (look at figures 36 and 37, for examples of human forms and faces and their similarities to different types of plasma discharges, eg. Kokopeli figures are found around the world, not just in the American Southwest), but it was to the second paper (look at Fig. 68 for an example of a figure with a face). The third paper is more of an amalgam of the first two but with additional material (see Fig. 13 for another type of face and a possible corresponding plasma source):

Characteristics for the Occurrence of a High-Current Z-Pinch Aurora as Recorded in Antiquity, Peratt AL, et al, IEEE TRANSACTIONS ON PLASMA SCIENCE, VOL. 31, NO. 6, DECEMBER 2003.

Characteristics for the Occurrence of a High-Current Z-Pinch Aurora as Recorded in Antiquity Part II: Directionality and Source, Peratt AL, et al, IEEE TRANSACTIONS ON PLASMA SCIENCE, VOL. 35, NO. 4, AUGUST 2007.

Evidence for an intense solar outburst in prehistory, AL Peratt, WY Yao, Phys. Scr. T131, 2008
43 posted on 02/29/2012 4:18:09 AM PST by aruanan
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To: RegulatorCountry

———I’d be more impressed with the duck bill-——

To me it looked more dinosaurish than human.

My first impression was that it was a map, a cave map


44 posted on 02/29/2012 4:21:52 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ..... Crucifixion is coming)
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To: bert

Why is he holding Pacman?


45 posted on 02/29/2012 4:24:47 AM PST by Larry Lucido (My doctor told me to curtail my Walpoling activities.)
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To: Beowulf9

I’ve always found it to be an annoying decorating motif, but...


46 posted on 02/29/2012 4:32:26 AM PST by SunkenCiv (FReep this FReepathon!)
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To: JoeProBono; Godzilla
It's an ancient, baby Godzilla! And very happy about something, I see.  
47 posted on 02/29/2012 5:28:14 AM PST by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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It's an ancient, baby Godzilla! And very happy about something, I see.

Eye roll


48 posted on 02/29/2012 9:05:18 AM PST by Godzilla (3/7/77)
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To: Godzilla

Ooooooh!!! Thank you for the Godzilla Eyeroll graphic! Totally cool.


49 posted on 02/29/2012 9:13:02 AM PST by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: Godzilla
Here:


50 posted on 02/29/2012 9:23:06 AM PST by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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