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The sun is still in a funk: sunspot numbers are dropping when they should be rising
watts up with that? ^ | March 2, 2012 | Anthony Watts

Posted on 03/03/2012 7:52:20 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach

The sunspot number for February from SIDC is down again, to 33.1

Here’s the source of that data: http://sidc.oma.be/DATA/monthssn.dat

So far, cycle 24 is significantly lower in SSN number that the last three cycles, in addition to having a delayed start. While the delta of the drop in Feb 2012 is not unusual by itself, it is the lowest observed value of the last three cycles this far into a new cycle.

Compared to the entire data set back to 1749, which I’ve plotted below…

…it shows cycle 24 so far to be on par with cycle 12 and cycle 6 in amplitude.

While this drop in SSN number might appear to some as a signal for a possible peaking of cycle 24, there is other evidence that suggests otherwise. For example the Solar Polar Field Strength. Usually the polarity of the North and South solar hemispheres flips at solar max. As you can see in the graph we are close but not quite there yet. And, it has flattened out compared with previous recent transitions.

Source: http://wso.stanford.edu/gifs/Polar.gif

Leif Svalgaard also tracks this and here are a couple of his graphs:


Source: http://www.leif.org/research/Solar-Polar-Fields-1966-now.png

Source: http://www.leif.org/research/WSO-Polar-Fields-since-2003.png

Leif has previously suggested that he thinks for solar polar field will see the flip later 2012 or early 2013. We don’t have long to wait.

NOAA’s Space Weather Prediction Center (SWPC) has not yet updated their Solar Cycle Progression page, but will in a few days. In the meantime, here are the SSN and Ap index graphs manually updated with SIDC data to give you an idea of what they will look like compared to the forecast (in red):

The Ap Geomagnetic field index, just like the SSN, is down again, suggesting the sun’s magnetic dynamo is not winding up like it did near the peak of cycle 23 and previous cycles.

We live in interesting times.



TOPICS: Conspiracy; Science; Weather
KEYWORDS: catastrophism; climatechange; globalwarming; globalwarminghoax
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To: dalereed

The sun will show us who’s boss come Dec 21st 2012.


21 posted on 03/03/2012 9:03:42 PM PST by hillarys cankles
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To: dalereed

With a star of the sun’s mass, when the hydrogen fusion really starts to slow down, the helium core sets up for ignition. That would not be good.


22 posted on 03/03/2012 9:22:21 PM PST by Fred Hayek (FUBO, the No Talent Pop Star pResident.)
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To: Prospero
And more cosmic rays mean more high level clouds which reflect sun rays...
23 posted on 03/03/2012 9:54:38 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
My knowledge of the science involved is, well, spotty, but I've been under the impression that sustained low sunspot activity continuing on into periodic cycles historically known to indicate a solar maximum means the likelihood of a very noteworthy coronal mass ejection greatly increases.

Actually, what knowledge I do have of sunspots was gained from obscure studies and related literature directed at revolutionaries, directing them to time their agitation to periods of high sunspot activity. It appears that social unrest correlates well with them. I found that odd and fascinating enough to pursue. Not much online that I'm aware, just scattered oblique references.

24 posted on 03/03/2012 10:02:32 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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25 posted on 03/03/2012 10:07:28 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Great Data! Thanks!


26 posted on 03/03/2012 10:11:18 PM PST by Graewoulf (( obama"care" violates the 1890 Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND is illegal by the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: All
From post #25...link to thread at the chaos Manor:

Climate debate

27 posted on 03/03/2012 10:15:23 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free
That said, I would be dandy to live through a cold decade or two to completely bury the AGW theory and make 99% of people realize it is just a lie. I would gladly pay the price of cold winters and getting sick for a few years for that. So bring it on! Good to see we should get some short term cooling and here is hoping for a very speedy death to the support of AGW among the duped Sheeple. May they soon be awakened from their slumber

I appreciate your sentiments however these AGW folks should already have more than enough evidence to discount their untenable assumptions.

Facts alone can't stop the stupid.

28 posted on 03/03/2012 10:28:08 PM PST by infool7 (Thy will be done O Lord)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

I would love to see all those arrogant Canadians buried under glaciers. The good Canadians can move South.


29 posted on 03/03/2012 10:44:25 PM PST by ExpatGator (I hate Illinois Nazis!)
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To: JRandomFreeper

“CQ CQ CQ six meters.”
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As an avid DXer ( DXCC TOP OF THE HONOR ROLL), I lived for
the sunspot maximums.
Those days, however, are “Gone With the Wind”.
I now consider solar activity as the driving force in any climate changes.

If only the Goreons could find a way to get their money out of the sun, they could leave the rest of us alone.


30 posted on 03/04/2012 2:29:47 AM PST by AlexW
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Sending to some weather buffs who can help me understand the science better. Very informative article but a bit over my head!


31 posted on 03/04/2012 3:12:25 AM PST by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Thanks for the post. Sunspot numbers in the teens last month was a good clue.


32 posted on 03/04/2012 3:38:01 AM PST by Techster
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; 75thOVI; agrace; aimhigh; Alice in Wonderland; AndrewC; aragorn; ...

Thanks Ernest.




33 posted on 03/04/2012 5:41:32 AM PST by SunkenCiv (FReep this FReepathon!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Not to worry.

Global warming is not caused by the sun.

</sarcasm>

34 posted on 03/04/2012 7:51:31 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopaths.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; AFPhys; Defendingliberty; TenthAmendmentChampion; SolitaryMan; ...
Thanx for the ping Ernest_at_the_Beach !

 


Beam me to Planet Gore !

35 posted on 03/04/2012 12:57:02 PM PST by steelyourfaith (Expel the Occupy White House squatters !!!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Scary scenarios being developed. RE: "He also noted that the world cooled quickly between January last year and January this year, by about 0.7C."

36 posted on 03/04/2012 2:39:16 PM PST by Marine_Uncle
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To: RegulatorCountry

“It appears that social unrest correlates well with them. I found that odd and fascinating enough to pursue.”

I knew an old, eccentric geologist that had years ago done lots of studies in solar activity and climate and he developed cold-weather plants for crops. He also made the observation that when the solar cycle was low - the price of gold was high.

Too bad he died years ago to see his observations come through again.


37 posted on 03/04/2012 2:55:23 PM PST by 21twelve
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To: hillarys cankles

That’ll be the day after our 32nd anniversary so we’ll either have had a good time or my wife will be mad at me for some reason ... either way I’ll be OK with it ... ;-)


38 posted on 03/04/2012 3:27:51 PM PST by Tunehead54 (Nothing funny here ;-)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Interesting data, Earnest. I usually don’t pull data until the end of March after the winter is over, NOAA has cleaned up its review of hurricane data and SIDC posts their Annual Report.

That said, Looks like a very different sunspot minimum than what I have charted in my work thus far.


39 posted on 03/09/2012 6:32:01 PM PST by Paul Pierett (Paul Pierett)
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To: Paul Pierett

Keep the good work going.


40 posted on 03/09/2012 10:51:29 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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