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Titanic disaster blamed on Moon
telegraphuk ^ | :41PM GMT 06 Mar 2012 | By Nick Collins, Science Correspondent

Posted on 03/06/2012 8:07:52 PM PST by BenLurkin

Although a collision with a vast tower of ice ultimately brought the passenger liner to its sticky end, it was a freak lunar event three months earlier that put the obstacle in its path, a new study claims.

An incredibly rare combination of astronomical factors including the closest approach of the moon to Earth in 1,400 years caused an unusually high tide in January 1912, researchers found.

This once-in-a-lifetime swell would have swept a vast field of icebergs from their normal resting place off the coast of Canada and caused them to drift further south.

It would have taken them almost exactly three months to reach the shipping lanes where the Titanic sank on April 14 at a cost of 1,500 lives, the scientists reported in Sky & Telescope magazine.

Unusually high tides known as spring tides are caused when the moon and sun line up in a way that means their gravitational pulls are enhanced.

On January 4, 1912 the Moon came closer to Earth than at any point in the previous 1,400 years, and reached its nearest point within just six minutes of a full moon.

This rare coincidence happened just a day after the Earth made its closest annual approach to the sun, and the freak combination of factors against overwhelming odds caused a record spring tide.

This would have been enough to dislodge huge numbers of icebergs from the shallow waters around Labrador and Newfoundland and sweep them into southward currents, leaving them just enough time to reach the Titanic’s path by April, the researchers said.

Prof Olson added: “We don’t claim to know exactly where the Titanic iceberg was in January 1912 – nobody can know that – but this is a plausible scenario intended to be scientifically reasonable.”

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Science
KEYWORDS: catastrophism; godsgravesglyphs; iceberg; ismay; moon; seadisaster; sinking; tides; titanic; whitestar

1 posted on 03/06/2012 8:07:55 PM PST by BenLurkin
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Always another theory.


2 posted on 03/06/2012 8:08:35 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: BenLurkin

Some “professors” don’t have enough to do.


3 posted on 03/06/2012 8:12:48 PM PST by Some Fat Guy in L.A. (Hope springs eternal - maybe the Bucs will break .500 this year)
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To: BenLurkin

Thank Heavens it is Bush’s fault!


4 posted on 03/06/2012 8:14:01 PM PST by Islander7 (There is no septic system so vile, so filthy, the left won't drink from to further their agenda)
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To: BenLurkin; DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis; stylecouncilor; the OlLine Rebel; kalee; Vigilanteman; ...
This is certainly interesting enough to merit a mention to all on the Titanic Ping List. If you wish to be added to (or removed from) the list, please FReepmail me. We're rapidly approaching the 100th Anniversary of the RMS Titanic disaster and interest is increasing.

It's also been documented that the extraordinarily eerie, flat calm conditions of that night contributed to the inability to spot the berg.

5 posted on 03/06/2012 8:16:44 PM PST by re_nortex (DP...that's what I like about Texas.)
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To: BenLurkin

BLEW IT UP!!!

That’ll stop all the werewolf attacks, too.


6 posted on 03/06/2012 8:18:15 PM PST by Thorliveshere
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To: BenLurkin

Did the Moon cause the shoddy rivets and overall poor shipbuilding as well?


7 posted on 03/06/2012 8:20:40 PM PST by frogjerk (OBAMA NOV 2012 = HORSEMEAT)
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To: frogjerk
Did the Moon cause the shoddy rivets and overall poor shipbuilding as well?

Here's an article addressing your point concerning the materials and workmanship, albeit from The New York Times: In Weak Rivets, a Possible Key to Titanic’s Doom.

8 posted on 03/06/2012 8:25:11 PM PST by re_nortex (DP...that's what I like about Texas.)
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To: BenLurkin

Are there grants involved??


9 posted on 03/06/2012 8:29:27 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: BenLurkin

Sometimes God uses a bank shot!


10 posted on 03/06/2012 8:33:11 PM PST by The Shrew (www.wintersoldier.com; www.tstrs.com; The Truth Shall Set You Free!)
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To: frogjerk

I thought global warming was to blame. :)


11 posted on 03/06/2012 8:40:01 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: 75thOVI; agrace; aimhigh; Alice in Wonderland; AndrewC; aragorn; aristotleman; Avoiding_Sulla; ...

Thanks BenLurkin.
An incredibly rare combination of astronomical factors including the closest approach of the moon to Earth in 1,400 years caused an unusually high tide in January 1912, researchers found. This once-in-a-lifetime swell would have swept a vast field of icebergs from their normal resting place off the coast of Canada and caused them to drift further south.
Apropos of nothing, aluminum foil is on sale this week.

Everyone knows the Joooos were behind the Titanic disaster.




12 posted on 03/06/2012 8:40:41 PM PST by SunkenCiv (FReep this FReepathon!)
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To: BenLurkin
The whole story is bull $hit !!! If we had a little global warming in 1912, that ice wouldn't have even been there, as it would have been melted. But, there still would have been a problem....the ship would have run into tens of thousands of floating dead polar bears and probably would have sunk anyway. Hey, I know my stuff...I didn't spend 21 years in the Navy for nothing.

By the way, did I ever tell you about the time I was on an around-the-world cruise and we ..........oh, never mind, it's time to let the pups out, so I'll tell you next time. : )

13 posted on 03/06/2012 8:47:22 PM PST by jmax (SLUTS SUCK WHILE MAKING IT ON SLEEP NUMBER BEDS)
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To: jmax

Ah yes...the Titanic disaster...or as the offspring of the Lobsters scheduled to be steamed for dinner that night call it “the miracle of 1912”.


14 posted on 03/06/2012 8:54:26 PM PST by DJlaysitup
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To: frogjerk; re_nortex

and the low water tight locky things/walls...

Because they werent high enough the water was able to reach and flow over into the next room and the next etc very quickly and sank the ship faster...

suposedly it would have stayed afloat longer if that hadnt happened...

Oh and a lack of lifeboats didnt help either...


15 posted on 03/06/2012 8:55:18 PM PST by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: DJlaysitup

Way toooooooooooo funny. LOL


16 posted on 03/06/2012 9:20:09 PM PST by jmax (SLUTS SUCK WHILE MAKING IT ON SLEEP NUMBER BEDS)
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To: re_nortex

I wasn’t aware of the rivet issue (had seen a previous issue on steel quality, with magnesium or manganese content being much higher, causing brittleness in cold water). It is fascinating, thanks

“And the bow, as fate would have it, is where the iceberg struck. Studies of the wreck show that six seams opened up in the ship’s bow plates. And the damage, Dr. Foecke noted, “ends close to where the rivets transition from iron to steel.””

The Carpathia was less than a day away (it arrived the afternoon after the ship had sunk, iirc), so the issue about time-to-sink is pertinent.


17 posted on 03/06/2012 9:55:57 PM PST by WoofDog123
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To: WoofDog123

also, the California was within visual distance of the Titanic, but had its radio off overnight...so as morning came and the system was manned, it may have been relevant also.


18 posted on 03/06/2012 9:56:55 PM PST by WoofDog123
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To: re_nortex
It's also been documented that the extraordinarily eerie, flat calm conditions of that night contributed to the inability to spot the berg.

Ah, but it WAS spotted. The problem was that the captain had ordered top speed through a known ice hazard area, so by the time it was spotted, there was no time to miss it.

Ironically, had it impacted the berg dead-on, it would not have sunk.

Which was probably the idea behind the whole set-up, since the "Titanic" that sunk was actually the Olympic that was previously damaged. Had it smacked the berg straight, the forward sections would have crumpled but the ship would not have flooded over the sequential compartments that the side-rip allowed. Then the claim that the ship was "unsinkable" would have been proven, and they would have collected the insurance money for the "Titanic" for icebergs that they couldn't have collected for the Olympic simply smacking into another ship through negligence.

But they had really GOOD lookouts that night, who were on the ball and spotted the berg JUST far enough out to avoid a head-on collision, and enable the slow turning of the ship to juuuuusst rip along the side...

19 posted on 03/06/2012 10:13:53 PM PST by Talisker (He who commands, must obey.)
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To: BenLurkin; SunkenCiv; no-to-illegals; blam; decimon; All

A more likely theory is that excessive cold caused by air borne ash from Katmai/Novarupta in Alaska made for unusually heavy sea ice formation. Of course a very high tide could have contributed to the problem. That year, a major attempt for the south pole was also foiled by unusually cold Antarctic summer weather probably from the same volcanic cause.


20 posted on 03/06/2012 10:59:00 PM PST by gleeaikin
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To: Talisker
The problem was that the captain had ordered top speed through a known ice hazard area, so by the time it was spotted, there was no time to miss it.

The matter of the rate of Titanic's speed is interesting. J. Bruce Ismay, director of the White Star line is often depicted as the villain in the whole affair. Such was the case in James Cameron's film portraying Ismay pressuring for a record.

A view to the contrary suggests that his demonetization came about from William Randolph Hearst.

One way or another, the fact that this was Captain E.J. Smith's "retirement" trip has long intrigued me. What a terrible way to wrap up what had been such a distinguished career.

21 posted on 03/06/2012 11:06:35 PM PST by re_nortex (DP...that's what I like about Texas.)
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To: gleeaikin
Good investigative work.

I like these sorts of 'connections.'

22 posted on 03/06/2012 11:23:24 PM PST by blam
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To: SunkenCiv
Apropos of nothing, aluminum foil is on sale this week.

Apropos of nothing, aluminum foil is on sail this week. There. Fixed it.

23 posted on 03/07/2012 4:27:48 AM PST by bigheadfred
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To: BenLurkin

This is also the cover story for the April, 2012 issue of Sky and Telescope. The article there goes into much more detail.


24 posted on 03/07/2012 5:35:59 AM PST by Roccus
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To: DJlaysitup

‘as the offspring of the Lobsters scheduled to be steamed for dinner that night call it “the miracle of 1912”.’

ROFL!


25 posted on 03/07/2012 11:44:45 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: re_nortex

The last Titanic program I saw was from “Seconds from Disaster” (which I highly recommend) last month.

This show was the 1st 1 I remember to bring up the rivet material quality (mentioned here a few times).

It also went over issues such as the “vain speed” theory. Basically it said what Capt. Smith and Ismay were doing was not unusual at the time even in ice fields. Essentially they exonerated Smith for sure; don’t recall much about Ismay.


26 posted on 03/07/2012 11:52:37 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: BenLurkin

 GGG managers are SunkenCiv, StayAt HomeMother & Ernest_at_the_Beach
Note: this topic is dated 3/6/2012.

Blast from the Past.

Thanks BenLurkin.
Exceptionally strong tides in early 1912 may have brought the iceberg into the doomed ship’s path.
Just adding to the catalog, not sending a general distribution.

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.


27 posted on 03/15/2013 7:27:07 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: SunkenCiv

I don’t remember posting this.


28 posted on 03/15/2013 7:29:53 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: SaraJohnson

Gotta be! Couldn’t be anything else except maybe imprudent speed, lack of awareness of sea conditions or reckless pursuit of the Atlantic crossing speed record could it.


29 posted on 03/15/2013 7:42:39 PM PDT by Calamari (Pass enough laws and everyone is guilty of something.)
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