Skip to comments.BYU study: Guns don't give people advantage during a bear encounter
Posted on 03/08/2012 10:58:38 PM PST by Zakeet
Conventional wisdom isn't always based on common sense, and sometimes isn't even based on real data, especially when it comes to animals of mythological proportions like bears.
BYU wildlife biologist Tom Smith wants to change that.
A new study suggests that one of the most commonly suggested deterrents against bears in the wild guns actually won't protect people any better than not using a gun.
"It really isn't about the kind of gun you carry, he said. It's about how you carry yourself. We need to respect an animal that could potentially take our lives."
This isn't the first time Smith has had a study showing that guns aren't as effective against bears as generally believed. In 2008, Smith released a study saying that bear spray is more effective than guns.
Part of the problem is that shooting accurately is very difficult in a terrifying situation like having a giant animal charging at you. Even if you do kill the bear, that's still a problem, given declining populations and the the loss of what a bear can contribute both economically and ecologically.
"It's a conservation issue in that we'll see needless bear mortalities," Smith said.
(Excerpt) Read more at deseretnews.com ...
I’ve never fired one of those, but I saw a YouTube video of an idiot almost getting a split forehead. Was he just being an idiot and limpwristing it?
I have pretty strong hands and wrists but wanted to know about the recoil...guess the only way is to rent one!
Nothing's *ever* wrong with my graphics....quitchercomplainin'!!! :D
Do you know where can I get a full size image of that page?
This page, near the bottom..right click..choose save as :-)
wonder how long the mama bear is going to nap beside him...its not sleeping because of bear spray...someone shot that sucker...
LOL why did your grandfather shoot a jar of mayonnaise?
you are bad.......but funny....:O)
I am much more concerned with bipeds than I ever will be with bears.
I taught one of my goats to shake hands like you do a dog, but that woman is a genius...
Pit bulls don’t get over about 70 pounds.
However it is neat to call every scary dog a pit bull.
Your 100lb. german shepard might actually be a poodle.
Years back when I worked at an innercity hospital my husband bought me a small can of mace that went on your key chain....the directions were to periodically test it to make sure it was still working....I wish you would have told me about wind direction....I maced myself twice, damn wind blowing in the wrong direction...it smarts the eyes real good...back then you could carry real mace..
Elsie, that sweet animal will not hurt you, see that idiot researcher was right....:O)
There is a breeder of pits that has a web site (which I have long ago lost) and brags about his 130 to 150 pure bred pit bulls...with pictures. Been breeding large to large.
Because it lost to the bear, silly! LOL.
Apparently, I mis-spoke in my last post. I do not recommend using illegal aliens as bear bait. This would be a clear-cut violation of Fish and Game Laws.
Go pound sand. How’s this, if I would have had my pistol on me, I woulda shot the thing dead hwere it stood.
It’s Frontiersman Bear Attack Deterrent.
Furthermore, where precisely did I call “every scary dog a pit bull”.
I called the dog that menaced me a pit bull, which it was.
Are you illiterate or something, or do you just read what you want to read?
Although the perfesser might be a bear-worshipping idjit, he still has a good point: having your wits about you is the key factor in not having inappropriate carnivorous connection with bears.
I’ve encountered dozens of black bears over the years and only really sweated it once.
The only two people I know personally who survived bear attacks(one black, one grizzly), were saved by their loyal labradors diverting the bear enough to allow escape with only bites and scratches.
In conclusion, take a dog. ;^)
Regardless of what anyone posts it wasn’t a pit bull if it dwarfed your 100lb dog. It might have been a rott or a Shetland pony but it wasn’t a pit.
Pits are the most misidentified breed in the world and both my pit and I are tired of it.
I'll bet you're right. What mama bear would lie docile like that, while some human is touching her cubs?
or a Jupiter stone...
I figgered you for a FAST learner!
LOL! That sounds like something I would do. :)
...how’d the dogs fare?
Try bein' a guy with a screen name of ELSIE!
I use to think so also....LOL
Yes, thats the one...those that say no pit weights 100 pounds are not really up on information on pits...
But we only have the writters word for them being temp. disabled.
link to 150 pound pits at #130
“Got menaced up close and personal bout 3 months back down a lonely road by a massive pitbull that made my 100lb. german shepard look small.”
Never said it dwarfed my dog, never said it weighed 100 lbs. I said my dog weighed 100 lbs.
It could have weighed less than 100 lbs and made my dog look small based upon muscle mass.
As I suggested before you should read what is acutally there, not what you think is there.
It was a pit, I could tell by its markings, its wide jaw, the muscles around its jaw, and its other dense muscles, sorry.
Perhaps the reason these dogs enjoy a bad rep is because their owners let them run free terrorizing people with dogs on leashes like me.
Dunno what else to tell you, it is what it is.
Had a good laugh myself
In my case a model 94 Winchester 30/30 solved my problem nicely.
I see that you took my overly-critical post (I’ve got to get over that tendency) in good humor. I am sorry, though, really, since I had “misremembered” what I had seen, i.e., the photo with the caption under it stating that the animals had been temporarily disabled. I thought it was in the original post and it tweren’t.
As for them being “temporarily disabled,” yep, we only had the writer’s word, and that might be wrong. Could be.
"On one side, human safety is a huge issue. On the other, we're having bears blown away for no good reason," he said.
This moron clearly has an agenda, and his top priority obviously isn't protecting human life.
One of many possible explanations for his blatantly false conclusion aside from his bias is that he relied solely on reported attacks. Most people have enough common sense that they are unlikely to report a self-defense incident that ended up in a dead bear and no human injuries. There are simply too many eco-freak idiots in authority, like this "researcher", to put oneself in peril of legal persecution. A dead human-attacking bear means that the problem has been solved. Shoot, shovel (optional), and shut-up.
Be on the look out for EPA as well. Seems such feeding may be considered “point source pollution”.
When I first got it, I bought two hundred 350 grain factory loads. After less than half those rounds one afternoon, I literally thought I had broken bones in my wrist. It took over a month before I no longer felt pain in my hand. I subsequently invested in a pair of jack hammer gloves which make it tolerable. I put a scope on it and those same rounds broke the reticle loose inside the tube so with every round, you could see the cross hairs rotate a little more. I have since loaded up some less brutal ammo that doesn’t break wrist bones or scope reticles. I’m looking at getting some 440 grain projectiles next though. That’s equal to a 1 ounce shotgun slug flying out the end of the barrel. Eventually, I want to do some penetration tests with some max loads and see if this thing will shoot through IIIA body armor the way I think it will. BTW DJ, the .500 develops significantly more muzzle energy than a 45/70. I think it would easily crack an elephant’s skull and shred its brain but you would have to be one ballsy SOB to go on that hunt. I think it would be particularly effective out of a rifle barrel however. you would be looking at energy levels in the 4000-5000 ft/lbs level with a rifle length barrel. I have been keeping my eyes open for a lever gun chambered in .500 SW mag.
no problem, don’t be so hard on yourself..Lots of times I don’t read article unless freeper replies make it sound interesting....(I am a lazy freeper) “O)
The dogs were fine...and well-loved by their masters!
“Even if you do kill the bear, that’s still a problem, given declining populations and the the loss of what a bear can contribute both economically and ecologically.”
Die you flukers..bears are important not humans.
The caption says that they were "knocked out"; it doesn't say they were knocked out with the spray. I'd suspect that they were shot with tranquilizer darts.
I thought it was a spray, and that was the point that he was making that one need not have a gun to stop a bear.
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