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Posted on 03/10/2012 8:32:14 AM PST by JoeProBono
BOSTON, -- A family returning from a trip to Turks and Caicos said it cost them $2,000 when they were kicked off their flight to Boston due to their daughter's tantrum.
Colette Vieau said she and her husband were on a JetBlue plane preparing for takeoff in February with daughters Natalie, 2, and Cecilia, 3, when the younger girl threw a tantrum and refused to sit down, the New York Daily News reported Friday.
"We were holding them down with all of our might, seat belt on. And I said, 'We have them seated. Can we go now?' (The flight attendant) said the pilot's made a decision to turn the plane around," Vieau said.
She said the plane returned to the gate and her family was forced to spend the night in a hotel and book a new flight, costing them $2,000.
"We did what we were asked to do. We weren't belligerent, drunk, angry or screaming. We were just having a hard time struggling with our children," Vieau said.
JetBlue released a statement saying the flight "had customers that did not comply with crew member instructions for a prolonged time period. The captain elected to remove the customers involved for the safety of all customers and crew members on board."
Looks like it's all about how wonderful she is. She sure didn't give a damn about anyone else.
My grandmother had 10 kids. With 30 cousins, all the assorted inlaws, their kids, and so forth, we could have family reunions of several hundred people with no trouble at all.
Sometimes one of the young ones would freak out ~ that's the fear response ~and all it takes is a "group hug" to put an end to that.
The other kind of tantrum? That's somewhat under the child's control, but if it gets a start it reverts back quickly to the "feed me/wet diaper/I itch" response which the kid can't control.
Again, a parental hug is required. Won't stop it instantly, but it will stop it. Strapping the kid into the plane won't work!
Again, first distract the child with a hug. Even a "planned" tantrum will dissolve quickly.
Sometimes, rarely, there really is something wrong. Check for blood!
Note: If most the kids are red heads, check for blood first ~ they play rough.
When we came out of the bathroom we heard this incredible, yet slightly familiar, screaming coming from the lower level of the concourse where the regionals are parked. Loud enough that everybody in the concourse was looking that way. Then the sound was muffled, then the doors on the elevator opened and my wife was trying to console our 18 month old, who was still screaming.
My wife stormed over to me and gave me the hand of the screamer with a "Here's your son, I'm going to the bathroom" comment. It was awesome.
Nate was at the age where his comprehension way outstripped his ability to talk. Through the tears, crying, gasping, and snot, I gathered that he wanted to take the moving stairs (escalator) instead of the elevator. I remarked that he was in luck because we were in ATL where we were going to get to ride every type of people moving device known to airline passengers. Escalators, moving walkways, and trains. He was immediately quiet and quite content.
My kids have always been really good on airplanes, and now I have three. It is partially due to the type of kids they are, but also with trip prep by me. How many people here hate flying? I do. Sitting in a seat for hours in a small space sucks. For a kid, it isn't much different. Now we are a family of 'i' products, but back when portable DVDs were the rage I carried extra batteries, bought a couple new movies for the trip and everybody was happy.
Regardless of the effectiveness of the parents on a normal basis here are the mistakes I see parents make most.
First, is bringing too much stuff.
Second, getting stressed out makes your kids stress out.
Last, is that they don't tell their kids what is going to happen. If you promised your kid they can watch a movie on the plane, why didn't you tell them that they have to sit quietly until the plane takes off and gets to 10k.
Who in their right mind takes a 2 and 3 year old on a trip overseas in the first place?
Who in their right mind takes a 2 and 3 year old on a trip overseas in the first place?
I wondered the same thing. People ignore tantrums so often they may miss a kiddo in real distress.
No one who can help it.
I soon realized that these two next to me would be high maintenance to say the least. Getting them to turn off their gameboys before takeoff, ordering them drinks, helping them with their seat back TVs. I basically became their guardian for the entire flight.
When I went to the bathroom the grandma informed me that one of the kids was ADHD/Hyperactive. Gee, thanks a lot.
You are cruel. Kids with autism can become that upset over something you might not believe. Like a piece of paper they want getting torn. In public. They can’t, as in are unable to, “lean that tantrums don’t pay off.”. They aren’t doing it for attention. They are just that upset.
I did that too, or back to the vehicle depending on where we were...but now there are so many “experts” on child abuse and the consequences are truly scary if you end up on the wrong side of the system.
One day one of my daughters threw a screaming tantrum fit in the doorway lobby of a major store. I was trying to “talk” to her in her ear about the consequences of such behavior- what amazed me was the onlookers- half thought I should be busting her butt already and half seemed to think she was an abused child. Only public tantrum any of my kids ever had- thank goodness.
LOL, aren’t you special. We had a 2 1/2 year old just like that. We thought it was because of our awesome parenting. Then came along child number two, who is now 2 1/2. No amount of spanking, holding, yelling or ignoring will help for the first 30 minutes or so of her tantrums. Eventually she will settle down, because we don’t give in. These parents might have been in that first 30 minutes. I’m not holding it against them.
Or just abort them? Is that what you mean?
Stay childless or stay home....
The Carribean is overseas????
Are you an expert on autism? Do you have an autistic child?
A loud child “ruins a trip”? If you are that much of a pansy that a little noise sends your emotions off balance, you have bigger problems.
Hotel and flight change fee = 2000 bucks? C'Mon...really?
I do not have an autistic child but I babysat one for a couple years so the parents could work. He was fairly well behaved and knew that being aggressive around me was not allowed. He respected me and learned how to ask for things he wanted without throwing a fit. He was 3 when I started sitting for him.
My mom was a defacto-single mom a lot of the time during the war years (WWII) and immediately after.
My baby brother came along four years after me (I had older siblings too). By then my mom had learned a lot about raising kids, and a lot about her own level of tolerance (not much) for things she would not put up with.
My baby brother would throw tantrums.
Though only in 1st grade, I walked to and from school and often walked home for lunch. My baby brother was about two years old then.
Twice, I came home for lunch; finding my mom sitting quietly at the breakfast table enjoying her lunch and my little brother lying nearby on the living room rug, breathless, silent and turning blue.
My mom would nonchalantly tell me: “Leave him alone. He threw a tantrum and now he's holding his breath. He'll quit in a minute and start breathing on his own. If I pick him up he'll notice I've rescued him and then he'll expect that holding his breath gets my attention when throwing a tantrum doesn't. I won't do it. He has to quit throwing a fit and he has to stop holding his breath just to get my sympathy. Now, your lunch is here on the table; take off your jacket and go ahead and eat. Your brother will be fine in a minute.“.
It scared the heck out of me and I felt real sorry for my little brother; but each time, sure enough, he'd eventually take a big gulp of air, start breathing and start sobbing softly. He'd crawl or walk over to where my mom sat and sit himself down near her feet, quit sobbing and just sit there, saying nothing, as if to apologize.
I know, as a child, we thought my mom was kinda mean at times, but as time went on we grew to learn she was just smart, and that she had no time for nonsense, for foolishness or for stupidity. When you knew you were to blame for your own trouble you knew you'd get no sympathy from her.
You two keep bring up autism as an excuse. Where in the story does it say the child was autistic?
If you have an autistic child who is known to throw fits, maybe you should look at other forms of transportation instead of subjecting your child to the extreme fear of having to sit for hours on a plane. Afterall, isn’t that your biggest concern? Your child’s mental wellbeing? Or is your biggest concern forcing everyone else to recognize that your child has greater needs than most and they need to be compassionate to your child’s needs even if it is an inconvenience?
I have also traveled overseas when my youngest was 2, and she screamed her head off when landing due to ear problems. It was a bit embarrassing, but a baby nearby was also doing the same. A couple of people looked annoyed, but most understood it was pain, not brattiness. (She had tubes- one blocked up.) Some of leisure travel is knowing your kids' ability to cope and making arrangements to deal- or choosing to limit traveling. I feel for the parents, but when my kids were that age, we took car seats, and they were expected to be strapped in, the same as they are when they travel by car.
I am the mother of four, the oldest with autism (and oh boy, have we had some doozy of tantrums, so I won't judge on that) and a middle girl who has some sensory type of melt-downs at times, too. I never judge parents on certain types of tantrums. My kids have had their moments I would rather the earth opened up and swallowed me to save the embarrassment, but some parents refuse to put a foot down and insist their kids learn safety comes first, even for a two year old.
“Maybe a mild sleeping pill for the kid would be a good idea.”
Juice and vodka — seriously.
Aaaaand that’s why I will not step onto a plane with my young children. My kids don’t really throw tantrums (on rare occasions,yes) but seeing that kids tend to be chatty (especially my little 20-month old) it may be best to travel in-state for now (ha, not that we can afford to fly anyways!)
No. As far as the airline was concerned, it was the fault of the passengers, so no way would they reimburse. So Solly.
Apparently the pilot agrees with me. (I'm 70.)
Take the kids to the local zoo or state park or local beach.
We always took our vacations by car....250 miles to a small, cheap, private campsite in Canada. They could fret all they want.
Absolutely! I have not only been tormented on flights - and I mean oversea flights - I have also had many a nice meal ruined by some young family who has decided that THEIR meal out takes priority over other patrons. My mom told me this NEVER happened in the old days and I am sure she is right. When I was a kid (in the 60s), going out to dinner was a rare - and I mean RARE - treat. We knew it was special and were expected to act accordingly. The reality is that movies, restaurants, shopping establishments...all of these places are ruined these days, with little recourse. In fact, I had a baby scream and cry throughout a movie and the usher told me there was nothing he could do but give me a rain check. ARRRGH.
there was a very funny “America’s Funniest Videos” where the little girl did the same thing and Mom was catching it all on camera.
Don't assume facts not in evidence nor put words in my ... err, keyboard. It's quite a leap of faith from advocating control of an unruly child to abortion. There are many parents in here who can (and do) control their children very well and my hat is off to them for raising their kids right. Those parents (and kids) would be fine to fly with. It's the parents who can't, don't or won't control their kids that are the problem, and for that reason, the crew did exactly the right thing. That's what I mean.
Joe, for whatever it’s worth, I’d like to share an experience on here. It might help other people. However, let me first say that as another poster so aptly stated on this thread, sometimes you have to give up (i.e. wait) certain opportunities until your children are older. People can live without flying.
I was 17 the first time I ever flew on a plane. We flew Cleveland to Los Angeles. I think it was a direct flight. The plane was very big and there was this wonderful recreational area with tables and seats, where I ended up spending time playing cards with my dad and brothers. I no longer recall the craft or airline.
Upon descent, I started experiencing terrible pain in my ears and along my jawline & side of my head. Excruciating. The stewardess brought me gum, but none of the usual “tricks” worked. I thought my head would explode. I sobbed in agony while my poor father did his best to comfort me. Meanwhile, I looked around and saw everyone else smiling and normal; and realized I was the only one experiencing this horror. It took a couple of days for my ears to “pop” and return to normal.
I was terrified to return home and - you guessed it - same deal going back. From then on, I dreaded flying, but I did fly a few more times, always experiencing this same situation; of course, none were ever as bad as the CLE-LA flight.
Sometime in 1988, I met a brilliant doctor through my work. I told him of my experience and he talked to me about how they pressurize the cabins and that some airlines were cheap and didn’t pressurize as well, etc. etc. He told me to take antihistamines before flying. He said I was experiencing what a person who would have a bad cold might experience while flying. Anyway, the end of the story is that I have taken Sudafed before every flight I have ever done since then - I take them about 45 minutes b/f the take-off and throughout the flight. They don’t help if I need to sleep, but it sure beats wanting to rip your hair out. I have had some discomfort on a few trips and literally nothing on more. I can’t imagine what my life would be had my friend not told me of this remedy, since I have traveled all over the world.
The reason I share this story is I have often wondered if some of the small children I have seen do not experience what I have, but they are too little to tell their parents.
I’m not saying this is the case of the toddler having a tantrum,since a 2 year old can talk and show that they are in pain, but I’ve seen babies screaming bloody murder and just cringe wondering if the poor thing has my malady. One never knows.
Good points, Yaelle. Of course, I don’t excuse people who think their kid’s problem is sacrosanct over the needs of others either.
Not a bad idea ... I know that some kids are given mild tranquilizers prior to dentist appointments. No reason why a mild sedative couldn't be given before a stressful airline flight.
Good. If the kid isn’t old enough to fly peacefully, stay home. I don’t need to suffer because your brat is a jerk.
We can just imagine granny had her own problems. You may have lucked out!
You are a saint.
It sounds like you have some unique physiology that make equalizing your ears difficult. Attempting a valsalva maneuver (pinching your nose closed and trying to exhale against it) with your chin tilted up and head leaned away from the offending ear can sometimes help. It straightens the eustachian tube out a bit.
but lets go after the little ones...
the reason we have such a declining birth rate is because children are not valued, they are often despised....
a 2 yr is a baby...a baby btw who had to have a ticket to sit in her own seat...
maybe the parents should have just lied and said she was under 2 so they could hold her on their lap....
down with children...keep them in cages...yeah, that's the ticket...
its called "family time" and its nice to see...
maybe you would have rather they hire a baby sitter for 2 weeks?....then you would condemn them for that...or maybe they should have just drugged the kids,right?.....
lets just face it...conservatives too apparently are anti family in many ways...my kids okay, but not anyone elses...its just the continuation of the anti child anti human attitude of society..
hey...no one likes screaming children....but its a fact of life and you would think adults would understand that...
just like we understand that old people are slow, maybe smelly, hard of hearing, etc...
accept life...accept people....
ha ha... loved that.
While that’s not a bad idea, I’m content with the “fix” my doctor friend gave me. As for offending ear, it’s BOTH.
I'm pretty sure that also goes back to stewardesses on trains, so I'm told.
Do that in each direction and you can probably pop both ears immediately.
Next you’re going to tell me, the guy riding shotgun on a stagecoach, had to be an EMT. :-D
I was just thinking: Yeah, I really want to take toddlers with me on my vacation to a tropical paradise.
Family time is at Chucky Cheese, where the toddlers will have more fun than a long trip anyway. Vacations to tropical paradises are to give mommy and daddy a chance to make a brother or sister for the little darlings.
Let's not get hysterical now.
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