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Tot's tantrum gets family kicked off plane
upi ^ | March. 9, 2012

Posted on 03/10/2012 8:32:14 AM PST by JoeProBono

BOSTON, -- A family returning from a trip to Turks and Caicos said it cost them $2,000 when they were kicked off their flight to Boston due to their daughter's tantrum.

Colette Vieau said she and her husband were on a JetBlue plane preparing for takeoff in February with daughters Natalie, 2, and Cecilia, 3, when the younger girl threw a tantrum and refused to sit down, the New York Daily News reported Friday.

"We were holding them down with all of our might, seat belt on. And I said, 'We have them seated. Can we go now?' (The flight attendant) said the pilot's made a decision to turn the plane around," Vieau said.

She said the plane returned to the gate and her family was forced to spend the night in a hotel and book a new flight, costing them $2,000.

"We did what we were asked to do. We weren't belligerent, drunk, angry or screaming. We were just having a hard time struggling with our children," Vieau said.

JetBlue released a statement saying the flight "had customers that did not comply with crew member instructions for a prolonged time period. The captain elected to remove the customers involved for the safety of all customers and crew members on board."


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To: JoeProBono
She ruined the trip for everyone else. Where is her apology to the other people on the flight?

Looks like it's all about how wonderful she is. She sure didn't give a damn about anyone else.

51 posted on 03/10/2012 9:59:45 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Yaelle
Excellent points. Normal chillun' can have a sudden attack of fear from all sorts of things; the autistic can be worse. Have seen it.

My grandmother had 10 kids. With 30 cousins, all the assorted inlaws, their kids, and so forth, we could have family reunions of several hundred people with no trouble at all.

Sometimes one of the young ones would freak out ~ that's the fear response ~and all it takes is a "group hug" to put an end to that.

The other kind of tantrum? That's somewhat under the child's control, but if it gets a start it reverts back quickly to the "feed me/wet diaper/I itch" response which the kid can't control.

Again, a parental hug is required. Won't stop it instantly, but it will stop it. Strapping the kid into the plane won't work!

Again, first distract the child with a hug. Even a "planned" tantrum will dissolve quickly.

Sometimes, rarely, there really is something wrong. Check for blood!

Note: If most the kids are red heads, check for blood first ~ they play rough.

52 posted on 03/10/2012 10:00:38 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Mikey_1962
When I had just two kids, my wife and I got off a regional jet, I grabbed a bunch of stuff and a stroller, and a kid and my wife told me to go ahead because the kid with me had to go to the bathroom.

When we came out of the bathroom we heard this incredible, yet slightly familiar, screaming coming from the lower level of the concourse where the regionals are parked. Loud enough that everybody in the concourse was looking that way. Then the sound was muffled, then the doors on the elevator opened and my wife was trying to console our 18 month old, who was still screaming.

My wife stormed over to me and gave me the hand of the screamer with a "Here's your son, I'm going to the bathroom" comment. It was awesome.

Nate was at the age where his comprehension way outstripped his ability to talk. Through the tears, crying, gasping, and snot, I gathered that he wanted to take the moving stairs (escalator) instead of the elevator. I remarked that he was in luck because we were in ATL where we were going to get to ride every type of people moving device known to airline passengers. Escalators, moving walkways, and trains. He was immediately quiet and quite content.

My kids have always been really good on airplanes, and now I have three. It is partially due to the type of kids they are, but also with trip prep by me. How many people here hate flying? I do. Sitting in a seat for hours in a small space sucks. For a kid, it isn't much different. Now we are a family of 'i' products, but back when portable DVDs were the rage I carried extra batteries, bought a couple new movies for the trip and everybody was happy.

Regardless of the effectiveness of the parents on a normal basis here are the mistakes I see parents make most.

First, is bringing too much stuff.

Second, getting stressed out makes your kids stress out.

Last, is that they don't tell their kids what is going to happen. If you promised your kid they can watch a movie on the plane, why didn't you tell them that they have to sit quietly until the plane takes off and gets to 10k.

53 posted on 03/10/2012 10:01:08 AM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: EGPWS

Who in their right mind takes a 2 and 3 year old on a trip overseas in the first place?


54 posted on 03/10/2012 10:04:34 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: EGPWS

Who in their right mind takes a 2 and 3 year old on a trip overseas in the first place?


55 posted on 03/10/2012 10:04:42 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: Daffynition

56 posted on 03/10/2012 10:07:09 AM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas gerit ;-{)
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To: christianhomeschoolmommaof3
I wonder if they put her on the plane to fly alone?

I wondered the same thing. People ignore tantrums so often they may miss a kiddo in real distress.

57 posted on 03/10/2012 10:07:09 AM PST by armymarinemom (My sons freed Iraqi and Afghan Honor Roll students.)
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To: Boogieman

No one who can help it.


58 posted on 03/10/2012 10:07:39 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: buffyt
I got on a flight from SeaTac to ATL during Spring Break, which I don't recommend. I was on the aisle, and a family got on board that had been given four rows of the middle and window seat. The way the family split themselves up they put two teenagers together, then two 7-9 year old boys next to me, then fat dad and another fat teenager, and last Mom and Grandma.

WTF

I soon realized that these two next to me would be high maintenance to say the least. Getting them to turn off their gameboys before takeoff, ordering them drinks, helping them with their seat back TVs. I basically became their guardian for the entire flight.

When I went to the bathroom the grandma informed me that one of the kids was ADHD/Hyperactive. Gee, thanks a lot.

59 posted on 03/10/2012 10:10:45 AM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: trussell

You are cruel. Kids with autism can become that upset over something you might not believe. Like a piece of paper they want getting torn. In public. They can’t, as in are unable to, “lean that tantrums don’t pay off.”. They aren’t doing it for attention. They are just that upset.


60 posted on 03/10/2012 10:24:39 AM PST by Yaelle (Santorum 2012 - we need a STEADY conservative President)
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To: EricT.

I did that too, or back to the vehicle depending on where we were...but now there are so many “experts” on child abuse and the consequences are truly scary if you end up on the wrong side of the system.

One day one of my daughters threw a screaming tantrum fit in the doorway lobby of a major store. I was trying to “talk” to her in her ear about the consequences of such behavior- what amazed me was the onlookers- half thought I should be busting her butt already and half seemed to think she was an abused child. Only public tantrum any of my kids ever had- thank goodness.


61 posted on 03/10/2012 10:25:51 AM PST by Tammy8 (~Secure the border and deport all illegals- do it now! ~ Support our Troops!~)
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To: sillsfan

LOL, aren’t you special. We had a 2 1/2 year old just like that. We thought it was because of our awesome parenting. Then came along child number two, who is now 2 1/2. No amount of spanking, holding, yelling or ignoring will help for the first 30 minutes or so of her tantrums. Eventually she will settle down, because we don’t give in. These parents might have been in that first 30 minutes. I’m not holding it against them.


62 posted on 03/10/2012 10:35:48 AM PST by dinoparty
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To: Fast Moving Angel

Or just abort them? Is that what you mean?

Stay childless or stay home....

Hmm.


63 posted on 03/10/2012 10:41:52 AM PST by dinoparty
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To: Yaelle
You sound like the picture perfect "enabler". Every child has the ability to learn by the responses they get from their adults. If the adult rewards them for bad behavior, then they will continue to give bad behavior. If their adult ignores the bad behavior or punishes the bad behavior, then the kid will learn that bad behavior is not acceptable. Even autistic children can learn the difference between bad and good behaviors. Giving in to them just shows them they control their adults and they will be rewarded for being bad.
As for your They aren’t doing it for attention. They are just that upset., what exactly do you think they are trying to accomplish with their tantrum? If they are "just that upset" and they are throwing a tantrum, they expect to be rewarded with something that makes them less upsetor what will make them happy. To me, that is the "attention" they are doing it for.
64 posted on 03/10/2012 10:45:13 AM PST by trussell (I carry because...When seconds count between life and death, the police are only minutes away)
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To: Boogieman

The Carribean is overseas????


65 posted on 03/10/2012 10:50:53 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: trussell

Are you an expert on autism? Do you have an autistic child?


66 posted on 03/10/2012 10:51:08 AM PST by dinoparty
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To: Sacajaweau

A loud child “ruins a trip”? If you are that much of a pansy that a little noise sends your emotions off balance, you have bigger problems.


67 posted on 03/10/2012 10:56:07 AM PST by dinoparty
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To: JoeProBono
She said the plane returned to the gate and her family was forced to spend the night in a hotel and book a new flight, costing them $2,000.

Hotel and flight change fee = 2000 bucks? C'Mon...really?

68 posted on 03/10/2012 11:01:00 AM PST by hattend (Jesus wants me to make churches pay for abortions. - Barack Obama)
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To: dinoparty

I do not have an autistic child but I babysat one for a couple years so the parents could work. He was fairly well behaved and knew that being aggressive around me was not allowed. He respected me and learned how to ask for things he wanted without throwing a fit. He was 3 when I started sitting for him.


69 posted on 03/10/2012 11:04:55 AM PST by trussell (I carry because...When seconds count between life and death, the police are only minutes away)
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To: JoeProBono; SWAMPSNIPER
True story:

My mom was a defacto-single mom a lot of the time during the war years (WWII) and immediately after.

My baby brother came along four years after me (I had older siblings too). By then my mom had learned a lot about raising kids, and a lot about her own level of tolerance (not much) for things she would not put up with.

My baby brother would throw tantrums.

Though only in 1st grade, I walked to and from school and often walked home for lunch. My baby brother was about two years old then.

Twice, I came home for lunch; finding my mom sitting quietly at the breakfast table enjoying her lunch and my little brother lying nearby on the living room rug, breathless, silent and turning blue.

My mom would nonchalantly tell me: “Leave him alone. He threw a tantrum and now he's holding his breath. He'll quit in a minute and start breathing on his own. If I pick him up he'll notice I've rescued him and then he'll expect that holding his breath gets my attention when throwing a tantrum doesn't. I won't do it. He has to quit throwing a fit and he has to stop holding his breath just to get my sympathy. Now, your lunch is here on the table; take off your jacket and go ahead and eat. Your brother will be fine in a minute.“.

It scared the heck out of me and I felt real sorry for my little brother; but each time, sure enough, he'd eventually take a big gulp of air, start breathing and start sobbing softly. He'd crawl or walk over to where my mom sat and sit himself down near her feet, quit sobbing and just sit there, saying nothing, as if to apologize.

I know, as a child, we thought my mom was kinda mean at times, but as time went on we grew to learn she was just smart, and that she had no time for nonsense, for foolishness or for stupidity. When you knew you were to blame for your own trouble you knew you'd get no sympathy from her.

70 posted on 03/10/2012 11:07:39 AM PST by Wuli
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To: Yaelle; dinoparty

You two keep bring up autism as an excuse. Where in the story does it say the child was autistic?

If you have an autistic child who is known to throw fits, maybe you should look at other forms of transportation instead of subjecting your child to the extreme fear of having to sit for hours on a plane. Afterall, isn’t that your biggest concern? Your child’s mental wellbeing? Or is your biggest concern forcing everyone else to recognize that your child has greater needs than most and they need to be compassionate to your child’s needs even if it is an inconvenience?


71 posted on 03/10/2012 11:11:11 AM PST by trussell (I carry because...When seconds count between life and death, the police are only minutes away)
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To: Yaelle
Did the little girl have autism? I flew (sparingly) with my son with autism when he was small and sometimes now, too. When he was old enough to understand, we prepped him as much as possible (images of airports, security, what to expect on the plane, a trip to the airport- to get as close as we could get to see things). When he was young, his doctor prescribed a compound of Benadryl which absorbed into his skin (he wouldn't take meds). Yes, I sedated my son mildly on the airplane, but it was for his own safety (and this was pre-9/11 by a couple of months). We are lucky he was a good traveler (now less so), but we didn't know what to expect in those days.

I have also traveled overseas when my youngest was 2, and she screamed her head off when landing due to ear problems. It was a bit embarrassing, but a baby nearby was also doing the same. A couple of people looked annoyed, but most understood it was pain, not brattiness. (She had tubes- one blocked up.) Some of leisure travel is knowing your kids' ability to cope and making arrangements to deal- or choosing to limit traveling. I feel for the parents, but when my kids were that age, we took car seats, and they were expected to be strapped in, the same as they are when they travel by car.

I am the mother of four, the oldest with autism (and oh boy, have we had some doozy of tantrums, so I won't judge on that) and a middle girl who has some sensory type of melt-downs at times, too. I never judge parents on certain types of tantrums. My kids have had their moments I would rather the earth opened up and swallowed me to save the embarrassment, but some parents refuse to put a foot down and insist their kids learn safety comes first, even for a two year old.

72 posted on 03/10/2012 11:15:32 AM PST by conservative cat
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To: Fast Moving Angel

“Maybe a mild sleeping pill for the kid would be a good idea.”

Juice and vodka — seriously.


73 posted on 03/10/2012 11:17:27 AM PST by Born to Conserve
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To: Wuli

74 posted on 03/10/2012 11:27:16 AM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas gerit ;-{)
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To: JoeProBono

Aaaaand that’s why I will not step onto a plane with my young children. My kids don’t really throw tantrums (on rare occasions,yes) but seeing that kids tend to be chatty (especially my little 20-month old) it may be best to travel in-state for now (ha, not that we can afford to fly anyways!)


75 posted on 03/10/2012 11:49:42 AM PST by Catholickerry
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To: Krankor

No. As far as the airline was concerned, it was the fault of the passengers, so no way would they reimburse. So Solly.


76 posted on 03/10/2012 11:53:51 AM PST by Cyber Liberty ("If the past sits in judgment on the present, the future will be lost." --Winston Churchill)
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To: dinoparty
We're not talking a loud child...we're talking a screaming, raging child...even the mother said so.

Apparently the pilot agrees with me. (I'm 70.)

Take the kids to the local zoo or state park or local beach.

We always took our vacations by car....250 miles to a small, cheap, private campsite in Canada. They could fret all they want.

77 posted on 03/10/2012 12:09:11 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Sacajaweau

78 posted on 03/10/2012 12:11:01 PM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas gerit ;-{)
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To: Catholickerry

79 posted on 03/10/2012 12:12:15 PM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas gerit ;-{)
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To: Sacajaweau

Absolutely! I have not only been tormented on flights - and I mean oversea flights - I have also had many a nice meal ruined by some young family who has decided that THEIR meal out takes priority over other patrons. My mom told me this NEVER happened in the old days and I am sure she is right. When I was a kid (in the 60s), going out to dinner was a rare - and I mean RARE - treat. We knew it was special and were expected to act accordingly. The reality is that movies, restaurants, shopping establishments...all of these places are ruined these days, with little recourse. In fact, I had a baby scream and cry throughout a movie and the usher told me there was nothing he could do but give me a rain check. ARRRGH.


80 posted on 03/10/2012 12:16:20 PM PST by Paved Paradise
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To: buffyt

there was a very funny “America’s Funniest Videos” where the little girl did the same thing and Mom was catching it all on camera.


81 posted on 03/10/2012 12:17:20 PM PST by Paved Paradise
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To: dinoparty
Or just abort them? Is that what you mean?

Don't assume facts not in evidence nor put words in my ... err, keyboard. It's quite a leap of faith from advocating control of an unruly child to abortion. There are many parents in here who can (and do) control their children very well and my hat is off to them for raising their kids right. Those parents (and kids) would be fine to fly with. It's the parents who can't, don't or won't control their kids that are the problem, and for that reason, the crew did exactly the right thing. That's what I mean.

82 posted on 03/10/2012 12:24:47 PM PST by Fast Moving Angel (Newt's not a perfect candidate but Jesus isn't running this year. - shoff)
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To: JoeProBono

Joe, for whatever it’s worth, I’d like to share an experience on here. It might help other people. However, let me first say that as another poster so aptly stated on this thread, sometimes you have to give up (i.e. wait) certain opportunities until your children are older. People can live without flying.

I was 17 the first time I ever flew on a plane. We flew Cleveland to Los Angeles. I think it was a direct flight. The plane was very big and there was this wonderful recreational area with tables and seats, where I ended up spending time playing cards with my dad and brothers. I no longer recall the craft or airline.

Upon descent, I started experiencing terrible pain in my ears and along my jawline & side of my head. Excruciating. The stewardess brought me gum, but none of the usual “tricks” worked. I thought my head would explode. I sobbed in agony while my poor father did his best to comfort me. Meanwhile, I looked around and saw everyone else smiling and normal; and realized I was the only one experiencing this horror. It took a couple of days for my ears to “pop” and return to normal.

I was terrified to return home and - you guessed it - same deal going back. From then on, I dreaded flying, but I did fly a few more times, always experiencing this same situation; of course, none were ever as bad as the CLE-LA flight.

Sometime in 1988, I met a brilliant doctor through my work. I told him of my experience and he talked to me about how they pressurize the cabins and that some airlines were cheap and didn’t pressurize as well, etc. etc. He told me to take antihistamines before flying. He said I was experiencing what a person who would have a bad cold might experience while flying. Anyway, the end of the story is that I have taken Sudafed before every flight I have ever done since then - I take them about 45 minutes b/f the take-off and throughout the flight. They don’t help if I need to sleep, but it sure beats wanting to rip your hair out. I have had some discomfort on a few trips and literally nothing on more. I can’t imagine what my life would be had my friend not told me of this remedy, since I have traveled all over the world.

The reason I share this story is I have often wondered if some of the small children I have seen do not experience what I have, but they are too little to tell their parents.

I’m not saying this is the case of the toddler having a tantrum,since a 2 year old can talk and show that they are in pain, but I’ve seen babies screaming bloody murder and just cringe wondering if the poor thing has my malady. One never knows.


83 posted on 03/10/2012 12:35:08 PM PST by Paved Paradise
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To: Yaelle

Good points, Yaelle. Of course, I don’t excuse people who think their kid’s problem is sacrosanct over the needs of others either.


84 posted on 03/10/2012 12:36:37 PM PST by Paved Paradise
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To: Born to Conserve
Juice and vodka — seriously.

Not a bad idea ... I know that some kids are given mild tranquilizers prior to dentist appointments. No reason why a mild sedative couldn't be given before a stressful airline flight.

85 posted on 03/10/2012 12:48:55 PM PST by Fast Moving Angel (Newt's not a perfect candidate but Jesus isn't running this year. - shoff)
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To: JoeProBono

Good. If the kid isn’t old enough to fly peacefully, stay home. I don’t need to suffer because your brat is a jerk.


86 posted on 03/10/2012 12:51:38 PM PST by muir_redwoods (No wonder this administration favors abortion; everything they have done is an abortion)
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To: Paved Paradise

87 posted on 03/10/2012 1:05:38 PM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas gerit ;-{)
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To: USNBandit

We can just imagine granny had her own problems. You may have lucked out!


88 posted on 03/10/2012 3:10:34 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: trussell

You are a saint.


89 posted on 03/10/2012 3:12:59 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Paved Paradise
I would suggest finding a local doctor that used to be a flight surgeon in the military. If you can't find one then find a local FAA medical examiner. They can explain the physiology of what you are experiencing and maybe give you some strategies for dealing with the issue.

It sounds like you have some unique physiology that make equalizing your ears difficult. Attempting a valsalva maneuver (pinching your nose closed and trying to exhale against it) with your chin tilted up and head leaned away from the offending ear can sometimes help. It straightens the eustachian tube out a bit.

90 posted on 03/10/2012 3:44:41 PM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: EGPWS
but we get to have smelly unshaved, unshowered old men who stagger down the aisle and take 5x the normal in the br...

but lets go after the little ones...

the reason we have such a declining birth rate is because children are not valued, they are often despised....

a 2 yr is a baby...a baby btw who had to have a ticket to sit in her own seat...

maybe the parents should have just lied and said she was under 2 so they could hold her on their lap....

down with children...keep them in cages...yeah, that's the ticket...

91 posted on 03/10/2012 5:23:42 PM PST by cherry
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To: Boogieman
"Who in their right mind takes a 2 and 3 year old on a trip overseas in the first place?"

its called "family time" and its nice to see...

maybe you would have rather they hire a baby sitter for 2 weeks?....then you would condemn them for that...or maybe they should have just drugged the kids,right?.....

lets just face it...conservatives too apparently are anti family in many ways...my kids okay, but not anyone elses...its just the continuation of the anti child anti human attitude of society..

hey...no one likes screaming children....but its a fact of life and you would think adults would understand that...

just like we understand that old people are slow, maybe smelly, hard of hearing, etc...

accept life...accept people....

92 posted on 03/10/2012 5:36:16 PM PST by cherry
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To: JoeProBono

ha ha... loved that.


93 posted on 03/10/2012 6:40:27 PM PST by Paved Paradise
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To: USNBandit

While that’s not a bad idea, I’m content with the “fix” my doctor friend gave me. As for offending ear, it’s BOTH.


94 posted on 03/10/2012 6:41:48 PM PST by Paved Paradise
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To: Daffynition
Heh. Did you know that early flight attendants had to have nursing experience?...that's how far back I go commercial flight.

I'm pretty sure that also goes back to stewardesses on trains, so I'm told.

95 posted on 03/10/2012 7:24:03 PM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Paved Paradise

Do that in each direction and you can probably pop both ears immediately.


96 posted on 03/10/2012 8:32:08 PM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: Moonman62

Next you’re going to tell me, the guy riding shotgun on a stagecoach, had to be an EMT. :-D


97 posted on 03/10/2012 8:37:52 PM PST by Daffynition (On Andrew Breitbart: In his honor, I'll fight harder...He'll be back and he'll be millions.)
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To: Boogieman
Who in their right mind takes a 2 and 3 year old on a trip overseas in the first place?

I was just thinking: Yeah, I really want to take toddlers with me on my vacation to a tropical paradise.

Genius.

98 posted on 03/10/2012 10:53:43 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (If my candidate doesn't win the nomination I'm going to kick my feet, cry like a baby, and stay home)
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To: cherry
its called "family time" and its nice to see..

Family time is at Chucky Cheese, where the toddlers will have more fun than a long trip anyway. Vacations to tropical paradises are to give mommy and daddy a chance to make a brother or sister for the little darlings.

99 posted on 03/10/2012 10:59:38 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (If my candidate doesn't win the nomination I'm going to kick my feet, cry like a baby, and stay home)
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To: cherry
down with children...keep them in cages...yeah, that's the ticket...

Let's not get hysterical now.

100 posted on 03/10/2012 11:01:06 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (If my candidate doesn't win the nomination I'm going to kick my feet, cry like a baby, and stay home)
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