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Gingrich Calls for U.S. Withdrawal from Afghanistan
WSJ ^ | March 11, 2012, 12:17 PM | Gary Fields

Posted on 03/11/2012 11:27:31 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network

In some of his strongest language about the role of the U.S. in Afghanistan, Mr. Gingrich said on “Fox News Sunday” he had reached the conclusion “frankly about the entire region that is much more pessimistic than Washington’s official position.”

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Hard to disagree with Newt on this.

We cannot police the world.

1 posted on 03/11/2012 11:27:33 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Agree! I hope he does well in the rest of the primaries.


2 posted on 03/11/2012 11:28:47 AM PDT by madison10
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

I agree with Newt. Bring them home to “police” the border.


3 posted on 03/11/2012 11:30:20 AM PDT by max americana
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

No more blood and treasure spilled, dammit. Bring our Troops home! Nuke the place from 7th to 1st century, and turn it into a green ashtray! We’re not a “policeman”.


4 posted on 03/11/2012 11:31:33 AM PDT by carriage_hill
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Bob Woodward’s book Ombama’s Wars (where he had full access to all parties including military people) makes it clear that Biden (who is in charge of Afghanistan) and Obama agree with Newt BUT they lack the guts to pull the plug. Instead, they limit our soldiers with ROE and let them sit there like fish in a barrel, whicle they “negotiate” with Taliban and are prepared to sacrifice the hard earned womens’ rights. Leave! AND do not keep Karzai afloat with Billions of dollars which are already planned.


5 posted on 03/11/2012 11:33:40 AM PDT by shalom aleichem
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Under Obama it is a grave danger to be on foreign soil in anything resembling a military action.

Our troops deserve a Commander In Chief who loves and respects them.

NEWT, 2012 - Born and raised inside the military.


6 posted on 03/11/2012 11:36:29 AM PDT by RitaOK (LET 'ER RIP, NEWT. Newt knows where all the bodies are buried, because he buried them.)
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To: shalom aleichem

Romney would never expose the debacle of Hillary/Obama/Biden
in a general election campaign.

NEWT would win on this alone, aside from his brains and intellect on domestic issues run by Marxists.


7 posted on 03/11/2012 11:38:42 AM PDT by RitaOK (LET 'ER RIP, NEWT. Newt knows where all the bodies are buried, because he buried them.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

NO BLOOD FOR OPIUM!

Newt is right!


8 posted on 03/11/2012 11:39:27 AM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

No matter what you do to or for a muslim, at the end of the day, you are still an infidel and the muslim will still hate you.


9 posted on 03/11/2012 11:41:07 AM PDT by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Afghanistan is one of those situations where we are between a rock and hard place - we cannot dishonor those who have fallen in Afghanistan, and which does that the most, staying at any cost or not staying so we can minimize how many more comrades must be lost in an effort which, at the end of the day, may not produce a government managing a society much better than the Taliban ruled country we invaded to change.

This condition was not inevitable.

It IS nearly inevitable when you fight war not as war but as a police action.

War must be fought as an ultimate fight and it is most frequently won by which side wages that ulitimate fight - which is to keep fighting, no matter what, until your enemy is either totally defeated or gives up. The Taliban have been fighting a war. We have been executing a police action. The Taliaban are neither totally defeated or prepared to give up. Maybe we are.

Had we been prepared to “conquer” Taliban-ruled Afghanistan, and more widely the Taliban, as we did Germany and Japan in World War II, U.S. presidential candidates would not be pondering this question today.


10 posted on 03/11/2012 11:45:32 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: RitaOK; All

Newt is incredibly qualifiyed to be President, but the personal mess of walking away from wives and “ethics” charges which ruined his last days as Speaker, seem to be a huge drag in the primaries. I can’t believe he only got 15% in Ohio while Mitt and Rick got about 38% each. The dog just won’t hunt (I am very sad to say). I can’t figure it out why (other than the stated character issues above and Newt’s claim of Mitt vastly outspending him - which Obama would do also).


11 posted on 03/11/2012 11:46:08 AM PDT by shalom aleichem
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To: Wuli
The Taliban have been fighting a war. We have been executing a police action.Just like the VC and NVA were fighting a war, and we were fighting a police action.

Those who do not learn from history are condemned to repeat it.

12 posted on 03/11/2012 11:47:11 AM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: Wuli

Link: Speaker Gingrich today on Face the Nation

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7401652n


13 posted on 03/11/2012 11:50:25 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network ("The door is open" PALIN 2012)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
And McCain wants to start another war for Syria. No f*ng way!
14 posted on 03/11/2012 11:53:50 AM PDT by McGruff (Sarah Palin: I voted for Newt.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

And in other news, Rick Santorum informs an adoring group of church ladies, “I never sit on a couch with any woman other than my wife”.

Sleep well America!


15 posted on 03/11/2012 12:00:10 PM PDT by conservativejoy ("Where there is no vision, the people perish." Proverbs 29:18)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Keep talking, NG.

We all yearn for a CIC who can rightly command respect from the troops and the citizens as well. A CIC who actually values the lives of those in uniform and who won’t ‘go to war’ willy nilly with only blood and bankruptcy to show for it.


16 posted on 03/11/2012 12:02:28 PM PDT by MichaelCorleone (Stop feeding the beast; spend money only with those who support traditional American values.)
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To: shalom aleichem

Newt spent very little time in Ohio, more or less conceding that state along with Michigan, in the hope that Santorum would prevail against Romney.

At this point, I would welcome an alliance between Rick and Newt, anything to prevent Romney from being the nominee.


17 posted on 03/11/2012 12:04:03 PM PDT by conservativejoy ("Where there is no vision, the people perish." Proverbs 29:18)
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To: Wuli

Sorry, I have to disagree strongly. We would have to have been ready to defeat Islam as we defeated German and Japan in WWII, and we were simply not willing to do this. Not with Dubya proclaiming the peacefulness and friendliness of the religion in the wake of 9/11.


18 posted on 03/11/2012 12:05:14 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Pull them out, dump Agent Orange of the modern defoliants on the poppy fields and let them kill each other.

If any strike/terror is plotted or launched from their soil, glass them. Enough.

Repeat for any other muslim hellhole. Tell the UN to pound sand. We forget too easily that America does not need the world. The world Needs America. 10 years of isolation on our part would be a good start, Israel/Japan and possibly Germany excepted. Then we can talk.

We can restructure business now and take the pain or later and take more pain.


19 posted on 03/11/2012 12:06:01 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

If Santorum had said the same words today, The Newt Freepers would excoriate him.

As a Santo supporter, I agree with Newt that staying there forever doesn’t honor our fallen. No one could ever make anything out of that corner of the world.


20 posted on 03/11/2012 12:07:20 PM PDT by Yaelle (Santorum 2012 - we need a STEADY conservative President)
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To: conservativejoy

After Newt wins AL & MS he will be in Illinois campaigning. :-)


21 posted on 03/11/2012 12:07:23 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: max americana

I agree. Also, this should bring him more votes since most of the people are against the wars.


22 posted on 03/11/2012 12:10:32 PM PDT by apocalypto
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To: Yaelle

I’m not sure that’s true.

Gingrich seems to have taken the mantle of Palin supporters.

Back when Perry and Palin appeared likely to be running against each other in the primary, I read a lot of Perry supporters say that sort of thing. Accusing Palin supporters of having a double standard.

Admitting my bias then yes, but I didn’t really see a double standard.

I saw a little bit of that, but then a disproportionate amount of crying foul, to try to paint Palin supporters as meanies.

I like Santorum, especially his focus on American trade. But I’m not sure he’d be pounced on.

Though this election I’ve seemed to have been 100% wrong about everything I’ve supported since day one, so maybe you’re right.

:D


23 posted on 03/11/2012 12:13:31 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network ("The door is open" PALIN 2012)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

It’s time this country woke up. If muslims don’t have our precious children to kill, they will just kill each other. Look at Syria.

Newt is absolutely correct. Bring our military home from all muslim hell holes. They won’t miss us. They’ll kill each other. The first sacrament of their religion is murder! They stone and behead their own wives and children.

Why, in God’s name, are we protecting any of these people from their own kind?


24 posted on 03/11/2012 12:13:36 PM PDT by abclily
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To: RitaOK

“Under Obama it is a grave danger to be on foreign soil in anything resembling a military action.”

Right. And besides that, we no are no longer serious about destroying the Taliban. So why do we keep hanging around waiting for another soldier to go “offend” Muslims or just go beserk ?

At this point. the place to use troops to protect our National security is on our own southern border.


25 posted on 03/11/2012 12:14:07 PM PDT by haroldeveryman
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To: Norm Lenhart
If any strike/terror is plotted or launched from their soil, glass them. Enough.

"I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit"

Or treat the Middle East like from "Escape from New York" -

"Computer Voice: Attention. You are now entering the Debarkation Area. No talking. No smoking. Follow the orange line to the Processing Area. The next scheduled departure to the prison is in two hours. You now have the option to terminate and be cremated on the premises. If you elect this option, notify the Duty Sergeant in your Processing Area."

26 posted on 03/11/2012 12:22:57 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Wuli

Afghanastan needs to be sterilized.We need to drop one nuetron bomb every twenty miles of that area to be totally free from future problems.

The only terrorist that would survive would be in their tunnels and hiding in Pakistan.


27 posted on 03/11/2012 12:26:09 PM PDT by puppypusher (The World is going to the dogs.)
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To: puppypusher
Let's get out of Afghanistan NOW and expel from USA all the Afghans who came here over the years. Leave the b...s kill each other in their backward forsaken country.
28 posted on 03/11/2012 12:29:12 PM PDT by Marguerite (When I'm good, I am very, very good. But! When I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
It's about time a mainstream called for an outright withdraw.

We should have left by the summer of 2002 after the Taliban had been deposed and 10,000 or so of them were dead.

We have absolutely no strategic interests there. None. They have no resources accessible by sea and we already have a place to stage an Army on Iran's border.

No interests there. None.

29 posted on 03/11/2012 12:33:28 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

We are already trying to figure out how to give it back to the Taliban. Let them have it.


30 posted on 03/11/2012 12:33:50 PM PDT by pallis
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To: Red Steel
Illinois, Newt wading right into the belly of the beast!

I was delighted to watch the post of his speech in Dothan, Al. and that he had been endorsed by the guy who owns Bass Pro Shops. I think that the endorsement of folks like that has a more positive influence than political endorsements.

I know you will keep us apprised of any new polls. Thsnks so much!

31 posted on 03/11/2012 12:34:26 PM PDT by conservativejoy ("Where there is no vision, the people perish." Proverbs 29:18)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
I'm with Newt. Pull out and let the turban heads kill each other. And if they move out of step and we are attacked again, turn Afghanistan to a pile of sand.
32 posted on 03/11/2012 12:38:52 PM PDT by Logical me
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To: Yaelle
I wouldn't have disagreed with anyone speaking up for our troops. We don't have a Commander in Chief now.

As a mom of a fallen hero, my heart bleeds for the men and women still in the battle who must feel such great dispair at the lack of leadership and support.

33 posted on 03/11/2012 12:39:07 PM PDT by conservativejoy ("Where there is no vision, the people perish." Proverbs 29:18)
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To: conservativejoy

I’d vote for the Bass Pro Shop guy before Dole, McCain or any of the other pols the establishment trots out.


34 posted on 03/11/2012 12:41:39 PM PDT by trappedincanuckistan (livefreeordietryin)
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To: FreedomPoster

I am not trying to argue either side of why, why not, or how our leaders could have mounted a WWII style objective, vis-a-vis Afghanistan. My only argument is that that is what it would have taken to not be in the position we are in today - neither failing outright or succeeding outright.


35 posted on 03/11/2012 12:45:33 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: trappedincanuckistan

Yep, he seems like a cool dude. Having four brothers, I used to watch a lot of his fishing shows!:)


36 posted on 03/11/2012 12:48:08 PM PDT by conservativejoy ("Where there is no vision, the people perish." Proverbs 29:18)
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To: conservativejoy

I was an Orlando Wilson/Roland Martin fan.


37 posted on 03/11/2012 12:54:29 PM PDT by trappedincanuckistan (livefreeordietryin)
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To: conservativejoy

Thanks for your take on Ohio. Rick lost by 7-10,000 votes, depedding on what you read. Last time I think Huckabee and McCain colluded to stop Romney (in WVa?). Why do GOP voters support him? It can’t be all money. Of course we need an R for Supreme Court and other judge nominees, but otherwise Mitt is luke warm on all our issues (Healthcare, abortion, Immigration, support for military, downsizing EPA and the rest of Gubmint, etc


38 posted on 03/11/2012 1:02:24 PM PDT by shalom aleichem
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To: Red Steel

Otherwise known as “The preferred option” ;)


39 posted on 03/11/2012 1:03:53 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: trappedincanuckistan

My youngest brother, who looks like Chuck Norris, Lives to Hunt and Fish. He and his three sons have done some pro fishing videos. I tell him that when I get insomnia, I just pop one of them in the player!

That particular brother, whom we call the “Zen Master”, has also taken 3 Boone and Crockett deer with a bow.

I envy him his abiltiy to absorb himself so fully in something that takes him away from the stress of life for a while. BTW, he’s a Newtster, too.


40 posted on 03/11/2012 1:04:25 PM PDT by conservativejoy ("Where there is no vision, the people perish." Proverbs 29:18)
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To: conservativejoy

That reminds me of another fishing show I used to watch! Hank Parker!


41 posted on 03/11/2012 1:06:45 PM PDT by trappedincanuckistan (livefreeordietryin)
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To: conservativejoy

Oh, I forgot to say that according to Ohio papers Mitt took the Catholic vote even tho Rick is Catholic. In my personal talks with Catholics some are quite disturbed about Rick “almost throwing up over JFK’s speach on religion. Rick is a bit too intense for a lot of people. He comes off as a humorless putitan. That’s why Newt should have more appeal, IMHO. I still am baffled by Newt’s lack of resonance.


42 posted on 03/11/2012 1:10:08 PM PDT by shalom aleichem
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To: shalom aleichem

I don’t understand, beyond those of his religion, why people support Romney. How can anyone truly believe that the Presidency is like being a CEO?

Truth be known, Romney has never started a company from nothing, as many think. He has always had the wealth and influence of his father behind him.

As you say, he is also wrong on the issues.


43 posted on 03/11/2012 1:10:14 PM PDT by conservativejoy ("Where there is no vision, the people perish." Proverbs 29:18)
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To: haroldeveryman

I’m going to combine some posts from previous threads to say what I believe is going on:

There is a reason that Bush took on the fight in Iraq. The terrorists went to Iraq to fight us there because that’s where we were, and the choice of Iraq was a much better place than Afghanistan because both the politics of the region, the anger with Saddam Hussein and his atrocities, and the geographic lay of the land made it POSSIBLE to win the battle there. Nobody has ever won in Afghanistan, and we’re finding out all the reasons why.

When Obama took over we were winning in Iraq after proving the hard way (in blood, sweat, and tears) to the Iraqi people that they had to give up the sectarian and/or terrorist stuff and get on board with a western model where justice was sect-blind and basically secular. The terrorists were coming to us there and being defeated. What Obama did from the outset was tell the terrorists and Iran when we’d be leaving there and then moving our troops instead to the impossible scenario of Afghanistan (where Obama could accomplish the 3 objectives:

1. It bleeds out our patriotic troops, money, and ammunition.

2. It provides an opportunity for the Islamist media to use our troops to inflame the Islamists and provide an ultimate excuse for both Pakistan and Afghanistan to reverse their alliance with the US (based on Rumsfeld’s cooperate-or-become-a-glass-parking-lot ultimatum) and instead go full sharia - just like all the other ME countries the Obama regime has supported in their move from being non-sharia US allies to becoming Muslim Brotherhood/Salafist countries who are instituting sharia including annihilation of “infidels” such as Christians. The Egyptian ambassador said on Arab TV that Obama had privately told him (presumably in January of 2010) that he was and still is a Muslim who supports the Muslim agenda. The Muslim agenda - which all branches of Islam agree on - is the destruction of the US and Israel and the institution of worldwide sharia.

3. It ensures that we don’t have enough troops to defend the homeland when the doo-doo hits the fan here - whether that is by black riots pushed by the union heads, by a Hezbollah/Hamas coup following an Iranian EMP attack, by riots following another run on the bank to collapse capitalism and the world economy, or by any other scenario. Obama has said different things that suggest he believes nobody can get him out of office. Which suggests to me that he intends there not to be a 2012 election if it looks like he won’t win it.

When Obama took over we had allies in the War on Terror in Kenya, Libya, Egypt, Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan (among others). Every one of those have now been ceded to the Islamists.

The one country whose resistance Obama did NOT support was Iran. But then, they are already an Islamist sharia state that persecutes “infidels” such as Christians, and the regime was already well on its way to developing a nuclear weapon that would work great for getting the doo-doo to hit the fan in America so that the communist-Islamist coup could finally take place here (with no soldiers here to protect the Homeland).

Obama is owned by George Soros, who has publicly stated that he hopes the US loses the “war on terror” because that would weaken both America and capitalism - which Soros, who seriously believes he is God, has said are the 2 great evils he has to defeat. What’s going on right now is methodical, deliberate, and EVIL. The 2 enemies of the United States (which has always been built on a Judeo-Christian worldview) are joining forces to bring us down.


44 posted on 03/11/2012 1:11:52 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Gingrich should also mention that when he becomes POTUS he will re-evaluate the risk associated with muslim immigration into this country. He should also point out the many muslim-related problems encountered by countries in Europe.

How can the US possibly provide Islam with First Amendment protection when it has clearly stated, on several occasions, that it is Islam’s mission to subjugated the very religions that are protected by that same umbrella?

Whose side are we on? Islam’s?


45 posted on 03/11/2012 1:14:56 PM PDT by 353FMG
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To: trappedincanuckistan

If I remember correctly, Hank was the guy who always reminded me a little bit of Jeff Foxworthy. I may have him confused with another fishin’ dude.


46 posted on 03/11/2012 1:16:59 PM PDT by conservativejoy ("Where there is no vision, the people perish." Proverbs 29:18)
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To: conservativejoy

That’s him.


47 posted on 03/11/2012 1:17:50 PM PDT by trappedincanuckistan (livefreeordietryin)
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To: shalom aleichem

It is hard to fight the smears of the MSM and opponents who lie nonstop. If Newt were to get fair exposure in the midst of the constant shilling by the media for Romney, I think he would be ahead now.


48 posted on 03/11/2012 1:20:40 PM PDT by conservativejoy ("Where there is no vision, the people perish." Proverbs 29:18)
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To: Wuli

“Had we been prepared to “conquer” Taliban-ruled Afghanistan, and more widely the Taliban, as we did Germany and Japan in World War II, U.S. presidential candidates would not be pondering this question today.”

During WWII the US had 16 million in uniform, about 10 percent of the then 160 million population, done partially using the draft.

The US nation no longer likes the draft, and prefers a high tech low manpower military, to mostly shield citizens from the reality of war, warfare.

Hence we fight wars as we did in Iraq, and Afghanistan, and get the results we observe.

In a few years, unless we stay and fight, both will probably revert to Islamic regimes, enemies of the US.

The mentality to bomb Dresden, Hamburg, Berlin and Tokyo, and nuke bomb Japan intending to kill civilians is the way wars get won and settled.

Half measures short of that leave matters unsettled, as we have done.


49 posted on 03/11/2012 1:30:35 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: McGruff

McCain is a total emigma and so are they in AZ who put him in the Senate time and time again. There are too many in this nation with a similar mindset.

No wonder that people like Bambi thrive in this country.


50 posted on 03/11/2012 1:35:42 PM PDT by 353FMG
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