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Use Raised Garden Beds to Battle Deer and Dirt
The How Do Gardener ^ | March 10, 2012 | Rick Bickling

Posted on 03/15/2012 4:40:37 AM PDT by orsonwb

One of the best ways to combat the deer, the dirt, and freezing temperatures, while optimizing your available garden space, is with the use of raised garden beds...

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KEYWORDS: gardening; raisedbeds; soil; squarefoot
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Never thought of using PVC pipe to make a frame that I could put deer net over on my raised beds. Think I'll try it.
1 posted on 03/15/2012 4:40:42 AM PDT by orsonwb
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To: orsonwb
I use an electric fence, works great.

The cost of PVC pipe and a net to cover a 30 X 80 foot garden would be prohibitive.

2 posted on 03/15/2012 4:46:57 AM PDT by Yooperman (Yooperman)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

Garden ping list?


3 posted on 03/15/2012 4:51:03 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: orsonwb

Instead of landscape fabric at the bottom, use cardboard or several layers of newspaper. There are a couple of advantages over LF.

You do not have to till or remove the grass. Just plop it right on top of the grass.

Also, the LF will prevent earthworms from accessing your garden from beneath. The NP or CB will allow the worms to till the soil for you by working their way from below.

Less work and a better garden. :-)


4 posted on 03/15/2012 5:06:47 AM PDT by alnick
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To: orsonwb

Wife has constructed a 2” PVC pipe frame and plastic deer netting to keep deer out of the veggie garden. We’re starting seeds this week.


5 posted on 03/15/2012 5:08:25 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Beware the Sweater Vest)
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To: alnick

I’ll try the newspaper. Less work is always good. Thanks for the tip.


6 posted on 03/15/2012 5:15:55 AM PDT by orsonwb
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7 posted on 03/15/2012 5:18:49 AM PDT by JustaDumbBlonde (Don't wish doom on your enemies ... plan it.)
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To: Yooperman

Can you give a few details of the fence (especially since it is working)? We have deer .... and groundhogs. I’ve been using a portion of my sister-in-law’s raised bed garden next door - they have a dog that keeps the deer & chuckies away. This year, I’m putting the garden on my property, closer to the house... no dog ... so I need to plan for 4-legged invaders.


8 posted on 03/15/2012 5:25:18 AM PDT by MissMagnolia (Being powerful is like being a lady. If you have to tell people you are, you aren't. (M.Thatcher))
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To: orsonwb
Construct a little greenhouse using wood posts and plastic sheeting. I found some super cheap plastic at Kmart...heavy duty..... works for a lot of things. If you get tired of gardening (ridiculous) you can turn it into a dog pen or a children's area (strawberries growing in their sandbox??)

My bro put in "old wallpaper" in his paths. works great.

9 posted on 03/15/2012 5:25:43 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: alnick

I used several layers of cardboard/newspapers right over the grass, and then heaped with compost, to make raised bed. Worked great, few or no weeds, and so easy.


10 posted on 03/15/2012 5:27:04 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("The first duty of intelligent men of our day is the restatement of the obvious." George Orwell)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

I’m looking for someone who would be willing to send me a few (10-20) seeds for mimosa trees.

Anyone on the gardening list have some pods laying around?

We can make arrangements so that I can pay for the stamp.


11 posted on 03/15/2012 5:28:43 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Yooperman

I’ve heard the secret of keeping deer out is to play upon their natural fears of being enclosed.

Sure, they can jump a 6 ft fence,
but if, in doing so, they are in an enclosure that bothers their “claustrophobic” tendencies, they won’t do it.

So, for fruit trees, a 5 ft fence far enough back from the tree that they can’t reach over, but close enough to be “confining”, will deter them.

But, so will a Great Pyrenees.


12 posted on 03/15/2012 5:31:52 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Yooperman

More info on the fence, please?


13 posted on 03/15/2012 5:37:45 AM PDT by magslinger (If I wanted to vote for a Commie I would vote for Obammie. He has a chance of winning.)
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To: alnick

How does newspaper keep the deer out?


14 posted on 03/15/2012 5:40:23 AM PDT by Lee'sGhost (Johnny Rico picked the wrong girl!)
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To: orsonwb

Thanks. I’ve been thinking of trying this.
What about racoons?


15 posted on 03/15/2012 5:40:39 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: Lee'sGhost

“How does newspaper keep the deer out?”

It has nothing to do with the deer. It’s a weed blocker that’s cheaper to use than landsacpe material.


16 posted on 03/15/2012 5:42:17 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: MissMagnolia

Hmmmm.... roast chuckie would go good with fresh garden vegetables.

CCI mini caps make little noise. Just sayin’, whenever Grover Groundhog shows up.


17 posted on 03/15/2012 5:55:00 AM PDT by elcid1970 ("Deport all Muslims. Nuke Mecca now. Death to Islam means freedom for all mankind.")
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To: nuconvert
>>What about racoons?<<

Plant cucumbers around the circumference of the garden. Raccoons will not cross because the prickly vines hurt their sensitive feet.

18 posted on 03/15/2012 5:55:45 AM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: CynicalBear

ah. thanx


19 posted on 03/15/2012 5:57:24 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: MrB

I had some, will have to check. In any event, I’ll be happy to send you some. May have to wait until next pods if I can’t find the ones I had.


20 posted on 03/15/2012 6:05:05 AM PDT by JustaDumbBlonde (Don't wish doom on your enemies ... plan it.)
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To: orsonwb

I’ve seen deer jump a five foot fence with no problem. I’ve heard that if a deer cannot see what is on the other side of a fence, they won’t jump.


21 posted on 03/15/2012 6:07:05 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (Dear God, thanks for the rain, but please let it rain more in Texas. Amen.)
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To: MrB

I may be able to find some mimosa seed pods. There may still be a few in the yard.


22 posted on 03/15/2012 6:09:21 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (Dear God, thanks for the rain, but please let it rain more in Texas. Amen.)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

A deer in the freezer won’t eat your garden.


23 posted on 03/15/2012 6:11:27 AM PDT by bgill (Romney & Obama are both ineligible. A non-NBC GOP prez shuts down all ?s on Obama's admin)
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To: Arrowhead1952; JustaDumbBlonde

I bought some on ebay from a mexico supplier and they wouldn’t sprout, they just molded in the starter soil.

I don’t blame the supplier so much - I waited too long to try to sprout them.

I appreciate your willingness to help out.
When you know for sure that you can do it, we’ll work it out via FReepmail.


24 posted on 03/15/2012 6:12:47 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: MrB

We have mimosas all over the place. They are not native to Missouri but have taken off since being imported.
I cut down a large mimosa that had died for unknown reasons and was amazed at the wood. It is very dense, almost like walnut.
When do the seeds drop ?


25 posted on 03/15/2012 6:12:47 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Beware the Sweater Vest)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Good to hear that. I’m in the NE Ks area. The folks at Powell Gardens (mid mo) were skeptical that these trees would survive our winters.
The Ozarks aren’t that much milder, to be sure.


26 posted on 03/15/2012 6:14:54 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: CynicalBear

Great advice - anyone confirm that this works?
Might be a great barrier around a chicken coop as well, eh?


27 posted on 03/15/2012 6:16:39 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: MrB
We have a six foot, chain link fence that encloses about a quarter acre. We have never had deer inside the fence, but we have had wild turkeys. Generally, nothing comes into our yard, probably because we have four hounds. Unfortunately, locating the garden there is impractical, because the hounds like to eat plants.

We do grow lots of chives, sage, rosemary, parsley, basil and hot peppers in flower "boxes" on the deck. The "boxes" hang over the outside of the railing, about ten feet off the ground, are somewhat difficult for the dogs to reach, and completely safe from deer.

28 posted on 03/15/2012 6:23:53 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: orsonwb

bttt for later reading—this is quite intriging.

So you don`t have to construct something out of wood, you can just put down cardboard, newspapers, soil and compost? Wow. That is amazing.

I’ve got seeds but was not looking forward to backbreaking work. I’m getting too old for that! :)

I’ll check back here when I have more time.


29 posted on 03/15/2012 6:26:47 AM PDT by proud American in Canada
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To: MrB
The Lake of the Ozarks has about the same wx as Wichita. Hot, humid but without the KS wind that seems to blow all the time.
Be careful with mimosas; they do spread like weeds.
30 posted on 03/15/2012 6:27:53 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Beware the Sweater Vest)
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To: alnick
I used several layers of cardboard under my raised beds and also under the paths between. The cardboard was from shipping boxes left at our plant by a customer that has gone out of business. The boxes were too large to be used for anything else.

The garden is in its third year and doing fine. Weeds have not been a problem in my beds, although I get them in the paths a little bit. I have mats made out of recycled tires rolled out to cover the paths between the beds. What weeds do come up are easily pulled.

I have a 6 foot wire fence around the garden. The deer broke in the first winter -- not over the fence, right through the gate. (The latch had rusted). They damaged the fence trying to get out. My husband straightened it up, and I tied flourescent streamers around the top. We've had no more trouble with those varmints. Woodchucks have not bothered the garden, although we have them here. I do have a layer of rabbit fencing around the bottom.

This is a picture taken last year at the height of the growing season.

You can see the crimps in the fence used to straighten the wire where the deer bent the fence trying to get out. In the first picture, you can see the gate "latch" I constructed to keep the gate closed after the deer broke the latch on the arbor gate. Actually the latch rusted through and broke right off allowing the deer access. They did the damage to the fence trying to get out.

31 posted on 03/15/2012 6:31:08 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: orsonwb
I triede everything to keep deer out of my garden.

Irish Spring soap in a bag.

Coyote urine (Yes, it is sold in bulk)

Fencing

"Deer-proof" flowers (They just bit off the flowers and spit them out)

Scarecrow

BUT....The ONLY thing that worked 100% was human hair!

Every time I got a haircut I would replenish it.

Worked like a charm!

32 posted on 03/15/2012 6:34:49 AM PDT by N. Theknow (Kennedys=Can't drive, can't ski, can't fly, can't skipper a boat, but they know what's best for you.)
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To: proud American in Canada
So you don`t have to construct something out of wood, you can just put down cardboard, newspapers, soil and compost?

That's called "lasagna gardening". Look it up on the web. You'll find lots of information.

33 posted on 03/15/2012 6:38:28 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: MrB

Yea I can confirm it works. I always plant cucumbers around my patch of sweet corn. I have never had loss due to raccoons but my neighbors have. The idea comes from the Indians. It’s called the “three sisters”. They planted corn with beans and cucumbers. The corn needs nitrogen, the beans put nitrogen into the ground and surrounded by the spreading cucumbers kept the raccoons out of the corn. I have always had an overabundance of cucumbers but the local grocery stores purchase some and food banks are appreciative.


34 posted on 03/15/2012 6:39:10 AM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: MrB

I’ve heard the secret of keeping deer out is to play upon their natural fears of being enclosed.

MrB,

I’ve had a 5’ fence around my 40x60 garden for several years and have never had any deer jump into the garden even though we see 6-10 deer at the nearby feeder every evening. Many times my wife and I will be working in the garden while the deer are at the feeder 50’ away.


35 posted on 03/15/2012 6:40:09 AM PDT by SailormanCGA72
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To: CynicalBear

Great, thanks.

A couple more things about the “3 sisters” -

the corn provides a climbing stalk for the pole beans,
and the broad leaves on the squash provide weed denying ground cover.


36 posted on 03/15/2012 6:47:19 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: magslinger

I built a fence around my raised garden with pallets, drove rebar inside them to keep them in place. I’ve stapled cheap plastic garden fence to the insides to keep out ground squirrels, and provide trellis.
I have a disgarded tube frame from a portable canapy over the top with camoflage netting to provide a bit of shade and let the wind through.
Spinach survived frost, snow and cold all winter. Salad greens would have survived, but the birds ate them.


37 posted on 03/15/2012 6:57:33 AM PDT by WestwardHo
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To: Yooperman
I use an electric fence, works great.

An elderly man shared a tip with me regarding using an electric fence to keep agressive deer out of the garden. He said to smear peanut butter in several locations on the electric fence (be sure to turn it off first :-)). Since deer are attracted to peanut butter, when they stick their nose or tongue to the wire, they get the shock of their life and won't ever come back.

My brother watched a doe do this last fall when he employed the trick. He said when the doe stuck her nose to smell the peanut butter, he saw the blue zap hit her in the nose, and said she did a double back flip and flew past him at blazing speed. He still laughs when he talks about it.

38 posted on 03/15/2012 6:58:48 AM PDT by OB1kNOb (The prudent see danger and take refuge, but the simple keep going and pay the penalty. - Prov 22:3)
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To: Yooperman

4 row electric fence around our 75’ x 75’ garden is worthless against our deer. But then we live in the woods and often have 9 or 10 grazing below our deck first thing in the morning.....


39 posted on 03/15/2012 7:03:08 AM PDT by Arlis (.)
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To: orsonwb

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40 posted on 03/15/2012 7:03:12 AM PDT by dubyagee ("I can't complain, but sometimes I still do.")
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To: N. Theknow

Yup, human hair works...but it’s quite a job keeping it fresh (only lasts a few weeks) on a 75’x 75’ garden.......


41 posted on 03/15/2012 7:09:03 AM PDT by Arlis (.)
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To: orsonwb

A 30-30 works well, also!


42 posted on 03/15/2012 7:10:52 AM PDT by Redleg Duke ("Madison, Wisconsin is 30 square miles surrounded by reality.", L. S. Dryfus)
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To: orsonwb

A good read. But contrary to the article, you can use the current pressure treated wood. Copper arsenic is no longer used for pressure treating and the current chemicals pose no threat to your garden. This is from the horticulturalist who taught my Master Gardeners class last year. I used 5/4” x 6” decking planks for my new raised beds built last year. I think its more sturdy, and certainly less expensive, than the Trex or other composite decking material.


43 posted on 03/15/2012 7:42:59 AM PDT by Tatze (I reject your reality and substitute my own!)
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To: Arlis
Yup, human hair works...but it’s quite a job keeping it fresh (only lasts a few weeks) on a 75’x 75’ garden.......

Anytime I needed more hair, I just dropped by the barber shop or beauty parlor and asked them if I could sweep it up for them and took it with me in a shopping bag or two.

44 posted on 03/15/2012 7:50:21 AM PDT by N. Theknow (Kennedys=Can't drive, can't ski, can't fly, can't skipper a boat, but they know what's best for you.)
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To: elcid1970

We’ve not had luck catching them out where we could use the mini cap method (& we have the means to implement readily available) .... if they do come out, if you try to crack a window or the door, they are so observant, they run immediately & there are plenty of places to duck into close by.

We’re trying some other options .... but it has come to WAR .... they’ve really made a mess around the outbuildings & the barn.


45 posted on 03/15/2012 9:05:10 AM PDT by MissMagnolia (Being powerful is like being a lady. If you have to tell people you are, you aren't. (M.Thatcher))
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To: Arlis

We put dog fur around ours. We have an abundance of it (dog sheds like crazy). It seems to work!


46 posted on 03/15/2012 9:10:58 AM PDT by sneakers (EAT YOUR PEAS!)
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To: nuconvert

Check out “HOW TO HAVE A GREEN THUMB WITHOUT AN ACHING BACK,” by Ruth Stout. An oldie but goodie. She used newspaper covered with straw. Same idea. You can plant through it and as it decomposes you just add more straw. She was in her 80’s and developed this idea so she could keep gardening. I’ve tried it and it will keep down the weeds and enrich the soil.


47 posted on 03/15/2012 12:19:24 PM PDT by WHATNEXT?
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To: orsonwb

Years ago my Dad read that hanging mesh bags of dog fur around your garden fence would keep the deer out.

I honest to gosh brushed the GSD and saved the fur AND mailed it across the country to him.

It didn’t work. ;). But we had a good laugh over it..


48 posted on 03/15/2012 12:37:38 PM PDT by Bradís Gramma (PRAY for this country like your life depends on it......because it DOES!)
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To: Lee'sGhost

Didn’t say it does. :-)


49 posted on 03/15/2012 1:08:02 PM PDT by alnick
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To: orsonwb

Won’t keep the rabbits out.. chewed right through mine last year.


50 posted on 03/15/2012 1:13:43 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (We kneel to no prince but the Prince of Peace)
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