Posted on 03/15/2012 11:25:43 AM PDT by Graybeard58
I'm so sick of all the fighting and mud slinging between Newt and Rick supporters,, I could puke. Neither one is the enemy. We have a real and immediate enemy in Mitt Romney.
Like many others here, I'll not vote for Romney if he's anywhere on the Republican ticket, I'll not vote for Obama either and for those of you who will tell me that not voting for Romney in the general if he's the nominee, is the same as voting for Obama, I just don't give a rats ass any more. I'm getting way too old to settle for the lesser of two evils anymore, I did that for my very last time with McCain.
I'll vote down ticket as conservatively as possible and when Mitt gets his butt kicked in the general, maybe, just maybe, the GOP elite will learn a lesson to quit foisting liberals on us.
I'd love to see either Santorum or Gingrich as the next POTUS, failing that, I hope and pray for both houses of congress to be dominated by Republicans and dream of dreams, may they all be conservative.
"Newt should drop out, for the good of the party", "Rick should drop out for the good of the party".
What B.S.! Ask yourself the question, What would I do at this point in the campaign if I were either candidate? Look in the mirror and answer it honestly.
For those of you who are "sick and tired" of vanities, look at the heading, it clearly shows it's a vanity - don't click on it to begin with and please note, I did not put this in "breaking news", it's in 'general chat".
I live in Illinois and at this late date, I still am not sure which candidate I’ll vote for in our primary but for certain, it will be Santorum or Gingrich.
I believe that Newt is clearly the better person but I understand your point that we should stop the bickering amongst ourselves.
Maybe you should have sent this to RS and his campaign before they shamelessly piled on top of Newt (behind their leader Mitt) in Iowa, New Hampshire, Florida.....etc.......
When you hear back from them, get back to me, if RS can answer why he ran more anti Newt stuff in Iowa, NH and Florida than anti Mitt stuff. I’ll be standing by.
Maybe you should have sent this to RS and his campaign before they shamelessly piled on top of Newt (behind their leader Mitt) in Iowa, New Hampshire, Florida.....etc.......
When you hear back from them, get back to me, if RS can answer why he ran more anti Newt stuff in Iowa, NH and Florida than anti Mitt stuff. I’ll be standing by.
Agree with the frustration, but not with your refusal to vote for Mitt. Not trying to change your mind, but I don’t see Mitt as the lesser of two evils. Obama is evil, Mitt is RINO, but I don’t think he hates America and what it stands for. I would MUCH rather vote for Newt, and would be OK with Rick, but I WILL be voting in November for the (R) candidate to rid the White House of the loser and his wife.
Newton LeRoy or Rick John. Anyone but Willard or BO works for me.
Go Newt! :)
“I don’t see Mitt as the lesser of two evils...”
I see Obama as a communist. I see Romney as a socialist.
Ergo, Romney is the lessor of 2 evils.
Unless that person just happens to be an “Anybody But Obama” person, then the bickering is back on. The Prime Directive must continue to be, to send that disrespectful America hating A-hole back to Chicago. Romney is not my choice, but if he goes all the way to the convention, then Yes I will be there in November voting Obama out. Sitting at home is NOT an option.
If you are so vain to post a vanity that basically says some body beat you at stick ball, so you are taking your ball home because you are old and don't give a rat's ass, piss off, take your ball and go home.
You gotta graybeard? Shave closer, and I don't give a fat rat's ass that you don't give a rat's ass, if you don't vote you are voting for obama, you nasty old selfish graybearded lout.
Agree.
One of the problems with a spirited campaign is that people begin to look at the smaller differences between the candidates and forget that we are on the same side.
That isn’t to say that some differences aren’t big enough to make a major issue about. Personally, I see Romney as the enemy, simply because he has aided and abetted in the slow but certain gradual erosion of our culture and appears to have no intentions to reverse its course.
But Rick and Newt are on the same side, as are Perry, Bachmann, Cain, and many others.
One last thing: It should be noted that the real flamethrowers on each side are rather limited. There are two or three on this site for Santorum and perhaps six or eight for Gingrich who spew most of the vitriol here. The much more numerous, and quieter, majority don’t typically share those feelings.
I’m for Rick, but I like Newt and like hearing what he has to say.
I think that both Romney and Obama are handbasket drivers heading to the cesspool at the bottom of the slippery slope—at different speeds, perhaps, and with different models of handbaskets—but handbasket drivers nonetheless.
We need people like Rick and Newt at the wheel.
When President Romney embraces, then expands the Obama agenda, the voters will turn on the GOP in 2014, just as they did when Bush 41 broke his tax pledge in 1990. As the Romney presidency wears on, we may increasingly see the Obama years as the good old days.
I’m with you, Graybeard. I refuse to play this stupid Hobson’s Choice game. I will not vote for Commie or Commie-Lite.
Eff both of them.
If Romney becomes the Republican nominee, I’ll write in Sarah Palin and hunker down for Revolution II. We need another one anyway.
This is what happens during primaries. And people here have chosen their candidate for specific reason. I have no idea what Santorum’s ideas for the economy. Both Romney & Newt have talked about their ideas. Santorum gets bogged down in other issues that make him look like he’s not ready for prime time. Like the porn thing from the Daily Caller. Really, “it’s the economy stupid”! He gets way too distracted by this kind of thing which is why I think he’s not ready for prime time. He should be telling them he’d rather talk about his ideas for turning the country around. One of the big issues we have with 0bama is his attempt to turn the government into our nanny. People are not going to vote for another person who wants to do the same kind of thing but with a conservative agenda. Between the 0bama administration and the media, they’ll have Rick so distracted by these social issues he’ll have himself in knots and no one will know where he stands on the economic problems facing the country. Heck, I’m here every single day. I read Santorum threads every day and I still don’t know what his economic policies are.
Cindie
Little Ricky ain't got the chops for the Job.
We need a bit of a B@$tard to fix this mess, no rookies or slicksters, and Newt has that rough edge.
We either get Newt or the Republic is over...
End of Story..
Our real and immediate enemy is BHO. I would vote for a spam sandwich to replace that feckless impersonator.
Not that I’m for it, but the fact is, if the GOPe, media, and pollsters succeed in cramming Romney down our throats, conservatives just won’t show up. I don’t think I could make myself get to the polls simply because I’d be too beaten down and discouraged.
This is our Alamo, folks. We either stop them, all three GOPe, media, AND POLLSTERS, or we lose.
If Gingrich gets elected, Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi will be running the country. You want that?
Graybeard is right, and here’s why. Another 4-year reign by Obama is not the end of the world. It might be just what we need to WAKE UP AMERICA.
Don’t underestimate the intelligence of the voters. Just get them to pay attention, and get them mad.
I heard Romney arrogantly ( and he is very arrogant) declare that conservative would be voting for him in the fall.He is dead wrong. He ruined that for me right then. Do not take me for granted you checkered pants country club Ted Baxter with dyed hair! He says “my wife has two Cadillacs” ( made by communists). He will never beat obama because he cannot attack the Obamacare with his own socialism in Massachusetts .
I want to know if was aware of the bribes by Utah Mormon to international Olympic officials at the winter olympics. That bribery was well documented! Noone went to jail!!! Where is the vetting on Romney. He wants to say he came in and saved the St Lake Olympics but I want to know if he or his money were in on or did he know about the illegal bribing going on
Rick Santorum is sort of like Tim Tebow. He's a likeable, against the odds kind of guy, someone you can root for, and you celebrate when he wins.
But, there's more than just a sense that he's out of his league. Even if he wins the primary and takes the team to the Superbowl in November, he's never been there before and never been up against anything like the well financed Chicago way powered Team obama. But hey, upsets happen...right? Hail, Mary.
Newt, on the other hand, has the experience and the play book to handle Team obama. (Just look at them dance to his $2.50 gas promise!)
Newt is a superbowl level government reformer. He's done it before when the other side had all the advantages and won, turning a long time losing streak into a winning streak.
Btw, a winning streak his detractors have been steadily losing since they intentionally injured their QB and booted him from the game. And are doing it to him once again with their campaign against him via Romney's attack ad blitz this election.
We know what Santorum did in office and what Newt did. Newt could have been a "Senator Santorum" level senator, but Santorum could not have been that historical person Newt Gingrich was nor lead the House to accomplished what he did.
Newt has made mistakes and I fault him for them.
However, I trust a man who has won it all and lost it all, picked up the pieces and come back to the game all the wiser, grounded by his family, his faith and his failures.
I would vote to grant that man temporary power to govern over me and my family and that man is Newt Gingrich.
Good point. By the way, I haven't seen anybody mention what Newt has been doing since he left Congress. He has been writing awesome books and making films about the founding of America by men who believed in God, and how we need to return to God to save our country. His faith is sincere and profound.
Sarah Palin voted for Newt Gingrich in Alaska and said she would have voted for him were she eligible in South Carolina. She has been for him along, IMHO.
Her husband Todd Palin formally endorsed him.
I urge you to support and vote for Newt Gingrich.
Interesting article here, from a fellow Southsider,"PolitiJim to Newt: Please Quit."
take heart Graybeard, none of us here are in charge of this. the Lord is. His will be done. we just have to try to act in a way consistent with His Word and direction, if you are so inclined. let the chips fall where they may. do the right thing. advance Liberty. retard tyranny.
Been watching/commenting on a lot of the Newt/Rick posts and it seems like many of Rick's supporters have the same tone as many Ron Paul supporters - poor at giving honest reasons why Rick should be the guy and ignoring all the gut-instinct troubling directions he's taken. Newt's supporter seem to be more reasoned, but many still get sucked in to the mud fight mentality (me included).
I put it in “chat” ass wipe and it’s still there. Learn your way around.
It was Romney running the anti-Newt stuff in Iowa. Rick had no money at that time and was too busy going to all 99 counties. At least get your facts straight. You seem to have a sore loser attitude. Rick has had FAR less anti-other candidates ads than all the rest put together.
Santorum was within 2 points of Gingrich in rating while in office, and ended his last year above Gingrich’s rating.
Santorum never chased after Global Warming or took money from failing government programs.
Santorum can win in a larger segment of the country, both in the primaries and in the general.
Santorum has much higher favorables and much less baggage; things that matter to many voters.
Santorum pushed medical savings accounts, rather than Federal mandates.
Is that enough for a start?
This is his (Romney's) whole strategy in a nutshell and I still can’t decide whether to admire him or loathe him for it. He doesn’t care if you trust him. He doesn’t care if his rallies leave you flat. He doesn’t care if pulling the lever for him reduces you to dry heaves in the voting booth. He cares about two things: 1,144 and 270, and he’s likely to achieve at least the first thanks to hard work, careful planning, and the great good luck of having extraordinarily weak competition. Those qualities — high energy, fortitude, diligence, not needing to be liked — could be huge assets in a president if he applied them to enacting a worthy policy agenda, starting with entitlement reform. But I don’t think he’d use them to policy ends; he’d use them to position himself for re-election by pandering to centrists, which means no meaningful entitlement reform or anything else. He’s telling you right here why he’d be such a risk in office to the right. When push comes to shove, you’ll always hold your nose and vote against the Democrat, no matter how annoyed at him you might be. And he knows it — and he doesn’t care. He doesn’t need his base to like him. That’s a recipe for squishiness.
Romney: Very conservative voters might not be with me now but they will be in November
Little Ricky ain’t got the chops for the Job.
BS and I don’t appreciate you belittling a great Christian Conservative man who is the most moral and has the most character in the race. Thank God you are in the minority this election with you nastiness. I am so so glad that Santorum is doing extremely well. 10 states and counting. Your guy......snort.
Yes I can be nasty, and I don’t care if he is a Mars, I am going with my gut feel. America is in deep doo-doo and I don’t think he can fix it period. Yes we need to heal our own souls and what he talks about is a big part of it, but they will eat him alive as he runs on it, and you and I know it isn’t fair and it sucks. I am watching this adminstration take chunks out of our liberty daily, The Farmers kids not being able to run the tractor, Lifts in all pools and now Fracking needs to capture non-existant methane which will kill the industry. I am not sure anyone can turn back what this tornado of an admistration has done and is doing as fast as they can up until next January just in case. It maybe above Rick’s and all of our pay grades where the anointed one is taking us....
Yes I can be nasty,
I can be too. I just think people are underestimating Rick Santorum. He is strong on his economic plan. He has learned a lot from his years in Congress. He will not be spending money because we don’t have any. He is for unions because Pennsylvania is a big Union state. Why should he go against the voters? I have no doubt that he will get rid of many regulations that Obama has put on the people crippling my industries. He will put the most conservative judges on the Supreme Court. He is for drilling. He wants a fence and doesn’t care if illegals were here 25 years, he will toss them on their butts as they deserve. I think we will be fine with a President Santorum....much better than a President Romney or President Obama.
“Where is the vetting on Romney?”
You can be sure the dirt on Romney is ready and waiting at DNC headquarters. How on earth could the RNC think of nominating someone who wears magic underwear issued by his church, and who believes God lives on a planet called Kolob?
The mans sounds and looks nuts.
Rick Santorum because he’s up in the polling, if Newt were up I’d say him instead!
The supreme court has 4 libtards, 4 conservatives and 1 swing vote. I’d rather have Romney choose the next Justice than Obama. We already know what type of Justice Obama will give us.
Stand on your principle and watch your grandchildren stuck with the worst justices for a generation to come. Or do what you did last time. To me there isn’t much of an option. Obama is THAT bad.
What makes you think Mitt would appoint anything but liberal judges? That's exactly what he did in Mass.
We KNOW, what Obama will do. I would rather take Mitt at his word that he will be a conservative president. Not my choice as nominee, because I would rather not have to trust him. But if he is the nominee, I’d rather take the chance his conversion is real. In the end, we have everything to gain and nothing to lose if Mitt betrays us.
And if we lose the supreme court, I’m with you that we ditch the republicans. Conservatives can go third party and duke it out with the Republicans for dominance. Screw them to hell if the SHTF.
If we continue to be guaranteed votes for the establishment candidate, it only encourages them to put forward even more liberal candidates in the future. The decision to vote for whoever has an “R” after their name is why we had people like McCain and Romney foisted on us in the first place. Until we stand up and say “No!”, then the establishment will know that they continue to back the typical social liberal/fiscal moderate choices that turn our stomachs.
We have met the enemy and he is us.
Concerning S.C. appointments, we need a conservative majority in the Senate, no matter who the Pres. is and by conservative I don't mean Snowe, Collins and Illinois' very own Mark Kirk, and Mass. Scott Brown. I'm sure you could name some more liberal "republican" senators.
Although I've read that one of the Maine witches is retiring, I don't remember which one but in all likelyhood, she will be replaced by another liberal from whichever party.
All the more reason not to vote for someone just because they have an "R" behind their names.
In the 2010 Illinois election, I and a few more conservatives here fought tooth and nail against Mark Kirk the homo liberal and for our efforts were called every name in the book. I voted for the pro life Libertarian on the ticket, the first time ever for me voting for a Libertarian at that. Kirk won anyway and is constantly showing his pro death, anti conservative, liberalism.
As for this:
I would rather take Mitt at his word that he will be a conservative president.
Mitt's word is useless, he's a known liar and will do or say anything to be President. He truly believes it's his destiny and lying to get there is OK by him.
Hey man I aint saying its pretty. But if BHO Obama is re-elected this country is screwed long term. I’ve heard there will probably be two more SC appointments next term, let alone all the other judges.
And don’t forget national health care. How do you take that away once it gets implemented? I wish this situation didn’t suck out loud, but it does.
Hey man I aint saying its pretty. But if BHO is re-elected this country is screwed long term. I’ve heard there will probably be two more SC appointments next term, let alone all the other judges.
And don’t forget national health care. How do you take that away once it gets implemented? I wish this situation didn’t suck out loud, but it does.
If you haven’t seen the film THE CROSSING, maybe it will help you decide between Newt and Rick.
Vote for Newt.
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