Skip to comments.Neanderthal: New Images of an Ancient Enemy
Posted on 03/18/2012 5:24:33 PM PDT by varmintman
Danny Venderamini's main site.
Vendramini thesis on Youtube.
All Neanderthal images here courtesy of www.themandus.org
This thing starts off with Danny Vendramini figuring out something which should have been figured out 100 years ago i.e.. that (other than for the larger brain area) a Neanderthal skull is a near perfect match for ape profiles and a very bad match for one of ours:
That is consistent with what we know about Neanderthal DNA i.e. that it's no closer to ours than to an ape's. The funny thing is that Vendramini did not tell his artist to produce the world's scariest monster, the basic order was to start with Neanderthal skulls and skeletal bones and try to flesh them out using the assumption that what you had was a bipedal, carniverous ape with an 8" fur coat (like every other ice-age animal) and the big eyes which Neanderthal eye sockets suggest for nocturnal hunting, and possibly a slightly mean look on the thing's face. The fact that what turns up looks as bad as it does to us is probably, as Vendramini suggests, due to past bad experiences with it, sort of like the instinctive human reaction to spiders and snakes:
The 8" fur coat also explains why no Neanderthal needles have ever been found...
Without the fur coat:
Given the recent human population bottleneck, there is no way to believe that any modern human is related to this creature in any way other than for the possible re-use of low-level genetic components by an original designer or designers (the bottleneck says that if any human had any of this guy's genes we all would, not just Caucasians and East Asians), and likewise there is zero way to believe that any modern humans ever interbred with something like that. The image of the Neanderthal in popular culture and science turns out to be rubbish.
This thing was wiped out in some sort of a stone age world war and whoever wiped it out did the world a giant favor. Other than that, Danny Vendramini subscribes to a variant of the Gould/Eldredge flavor of evolutionism, nonetheless the scholarship involved in reconstructing what Neanderthals actually amounted to does not suffer from that.
Neanderthal rib cages just keep flaring outwards as you get lower and they apparently really did stand and walk hunched over a bit.
BTW, no stainless steel needles, no high civilization. Just not possible.
The test is very simple ~ there've been plenty of discoveries long since 2004 where you get your quote (repeated endlessly in numerous blogs) ~ it's just a matter of time and someone will find a needle that enabled the earliest Neanderthals to live in Ice Age Europe ~ but for the moment they do have needles found with the latest Neanderthals.
What would have really been cool? If the artist had any concept of human anatomy before hooking up with someone who didn’t understand evolution. As if the anthropologists who study Neanderthals don’t know the correct orientation of the skull based upon the position of the hole in the base of the skull.
Then you shouldn't have that much trouble posting a link to such a story...
(1. Gorilla 2. Australopithecus 3. Homo erectus 4. Neanderthal (La Chapelle aux Saints) 5. Steinheim Skull 6. Euhominid)
Just compare the skulls of 1., 4. and 6.
Why should I post any links at all. You have links that have no sources.
Yeah well just go right ahead and whip out that line drawing while Neanderthal is spearing you with a bone spear and eating your flesh while you’re still alive!
All that shows us, is that Neanderthals are not only scary looking, but that they also were intravenous drug users.
So yer walking down the alley, and THAT thing asks you for spare change. WONDERful.
Good eye. The fur bikini is all about utility.
WHICH MEANS that Neanderthals would have tended to have a base-8 numbering system.
Perfect for computers.
Neanderthals would have dominated computer tech in our age. GLAD THEIR DEAD!!!!
Yeah...they were tough and strong...but Cro magnon was smarter and had better weapons. The academics say we “out-competed” the Neanderthals. Yeah...if by out-competing you mean chasing, killing and (perhaps even) eating them.
Here's a picture of a caveman commander using a touchscreen computer to deploy troops.
Beats the heck out of base twelve, but giants likely wouldn’t have concerned themselves with advanced computation. They had the little people for that, lol.
Well, if he’s using UNIX, he’s got better tools...
I think Gary Larson summed it up succinctly. A group of hominids, clothed in skins & holding torches & spears are taunting a group of Neanderthal passersby:
“Nyahh, nyahh—can’t make fire, can’t make spear.”
And can’t abstract animal images on to cave walls.
FYI Laz, there should a bull figure shown on a large stalactite doing something in conjunction with the lower half of a female figure.
30,000 years ago, what kind of man reads Caveboy? A suave, self-assured, assisted-spear chucking, fairly hairless man with an eye for the finer things below the glacier.
“The academics say we out-competed the Neanderthals. Yeah...if by out-competing you mean chasing, killing and (perhaps even) eating them.”
If they actually had 8” long hair it would be simple to kill one, tan the hide, and have a nice fur coat and pants with no sewing required.
The ability to send dogs in to kill Neanderthals AND act as warning systems probably helped in any inter-species war.
The dogs likely would have been too valuable to risk attacking the Neanderthals at close quarters. Mainly fire and casting weapons, but particularly the atlatl. The dogs’ job was keeping humans safe at night and in the dark.
I’m sure the reaction comes from decades of horror movies, which frankly have more credibility than this Australian free-form fantasy based on bad sci-fi.
Not a Neanderthal.
Thanks for the pings though.
Thanks all. This Aussie stuff is entirely invented by the author, and isn’t based on morphology. It’s more like something Virchow would have come up with if he were still alive. He kept getting crazier with his denials and finally reached the point where he said the Neander fossils were of a 17th century Cossack with rickets who’d stripped naked and hid in a cave where he’d died.
From the depictions down through the decades, Neandertal in a suit:
muawiyah, not needles, but I came across Neandert-awls while looking for the suit pic:
sadponies, another “wilma” pic:
And interbreeding with them! Or not, as that little scientific debate always seems go back and forth every few years.
The fur coat business is a major assumption for which there is no evidence.
One obvious problem, every adult Neanderthal who ever lived had some sort of a little bag of tools which he or she carried around at all times and if any of them had needles, they all would have and the exhaustive searches of tools in the main caves in which Neanderthal remains are found would have turned up lots and lots and lots of them since for any creature which needed clothing at that time, a needle would have been a main tool. One needle in this case simply would not cut it.
"But which specific traits gave us such an advantage that we were propelled to global glory at the expense of the Neanderthals? In the suite of behaviours that we evolved in Africa 150,000 years ago, what were the characteristics that really made a difference and can therefore be considered as defining human attributes? There are many candidates complex language and superior memory, for example. However, among many scientists there appears to be consensus that imagination and opportunism were critical attributes.
"This meant, says Fagan, that we learned to use local materials antler, bone and ivory in ways Neanderthals simply could not imagine. In one case, this resulted in "one of the most revolutionary inventions in history: the eyed needle, fashioned from a sliver of bone or ivory," he adds. While Neanderthals shivered in rags in winter, humans used vegetable fibres and needles created by using stone awls to make close-fitting, layered clothing and parkas: the survival of the snuggest, in short.
The author of course is simply assuming the Neanderthals were "shivering in rags" since nobody has ever found a Neanderthal needle or the numerous such which you WOULD find if they'd ever had them. He was unaware of Vendramini's thesis.
I can understand the pain you must be experiencing with the loss of the cute little humans-from-hominids fairytale, but I can’t really feel it (the pain), possibly cause I’m laughing too hard....
as a sort of a more refined and mature individual or "business executive Neanderthal", that is, a Neanderthal of wealth and taste, and the others (with the mean looks):
as just redneck Neanderthals. That might help you make the whole thing go down a bit easier...
of course is a traitor to the evolutionite cause and clearly needs to be found and re-educated...
That was settled by the DNA evidence: the data show that non-African modern humans share 1-4% of their DNA with Neanderthals, so there was indeed some hanky-panky going on.
The only conclusion which is tenable is that there has never been any mixing of humans and Neanderthals, and that any similar genes anybody finds are just artifacts of same or similar low-level components being used by an original designer or designers.
Facts are stubborn things. Sorry.
There is terribly little genetic variation in the human race compared to all but one or two other mammals and that is due to some fairly recent genetic bottleneck which reduced the human population to a very small number of individuals, possibly less than fifty or a hundred.
If there ever had been any human/Neanderthal crossbreeding, it would have happened either before or after the bottleneck.
If it happened before the bottleneck, you'd not read these claims of whites and East Asians having Neanderthal genes but Africans not having it; we'd all have them.
If any human group had mixed with Neanderthals AFTER that bottleneck, the variation between that group and all others (humans) would be gigantic, and not minuscule as it actually is.
In other words, the claim of human/Neanderthal crossbreeding cannot pass a test for basic, simple logic. That's just one example of people with PHD degrees who can't deal with logic, there are others.
The basic reality is that whatever may have turned up is just some low-level genetic component which gets switched on and off here and there in the human genome and which Neanderthals may have had as well from original design, it's not anything we ever got FROM Neanderthals.
Again the thing Vendramini first noticed. You'd figure this was so obvious that somebody had to have seen it early on i.e. in the 1800s when people first started studying Neanderthals but, apparently, nobody did:
The sort of outlandish thing you get trying to draw a more humanistic Neanderthal WITH the eyes and nose the size which the bones say they'd have to be:
Neanderthal and human body proportions, comparison:
Hominid (Neanderthal) with a spear:
With and without the ice-age fur coat:
Funny thing is, in the case of earlier hominids for which there is no libtard myth for scientists to think they need to protect, the reconstructions they come up with don't look that much different from what Vendramini came up with, at least as far as general features:
That would be "Tumai" a sweet-natured and friendly little African hominid, supposedly from 6M years or so back, minus the huge nocturnal eyes and huge muscularity of the Neanderthal. Notice also that apes and hominids (bipedal apes) do not have the cute S curve in their lower backs which lets humans stand bolt upright comfortably, and thus all appear to be lurching forwards somewhat when on two feet.
As Vendramini notes, seeing something like that walking around with a spear in its hand must have impressed early humans about the way a monkey with a gun would impress us...
It doesn't really get much better than this one. Basically, the Neanderthal, one of the classic libtard/evolutionite icons and poster children, turns out to be an ice-age ape with a spear in his hand. Isn't that just fabulous?
They all look like Obama’s son, if he had one.
I don’t think there were ever enough Neanderthals walking around in one place for dems to see them as a new voting block, otherwise you could count on it...
There’s a ‘Squatch in them woods...
I'm also not impressed with the full-body reconstruction. With skeletal data, the musculature can be reconstructed reasonably accurately. There is an intact skeleton pictured at Wikipedia, which does not look compatible with the artist's reconstruction of the body shown in your post. The one detail that possibly resists reconstruction from the fossil data would be the skin. Unless soft tissues have been preserved (I don't know of any, but perhaps they have been), it's hard to guess what color the skin was, or how hairy they were. It's almost certain that they did not have shiny dark grey skin like that artist gave them in the pictures you posted--I've never seen skin like that on any living creature.
A reconstruction of what Neanderthals might have looked like would be a little more believable if the person doing the reconstruction demonstrated some knowledge of anatomy. Plenty of people familiar with anatomy have reconstructed Neanderthals, and several examples can be seen on Google.
I know that anthropomorphic global warming is leftist propaganda at best...
the leftist science types also want you to believe that the Neanderthals were not our immediate ancestors.
that is because they want to convince you that we are all Out of Africa in geologically recent times.
I do not know where you got those pictures but they are funny at best....the last picture is a cartoon character as he only has 4 toes on each foot.
using forensic reconstruction here are some pix of what Neanderthals look like
The third one is Steve Wozniak, right?
-—This thing was wiped out in some sort of a stone age world war-—
The fact that there seem to be Big Foot sightings makes the statement implausible.
As to toes, this is what a Neanderthal footprint looks like:
That (prehensile feet) is the sort of thing which just drives shoe salesmen crazy...
The fact that there seem to be Big Foot sightings makes the statement implausible.
There ARE claims of remnant hominids, including one which was probably based originally on the Neanderthal and that would be the "basajaun" of the Spanish Basque, and the Neanderthal made his last European stand in southern Spain.
There is a very remote possibility I could be wrong on this one, but I don't see how such a thing could have persisted into recent times; you'd think there would be remains of people and farm animals lying around all over the place or so many people and animals going missing that at some point something would happen.
I think your being fooled.
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