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Obama's Citizenship

Posted on 03/21/2012 7:30:25 PM PDT by Advocatus Sancti Sepulchri

Could someone explain the issue of Obama's birth certificate? I've seen Sheriff Joe present findings that it is a forgery along with the selective service card. Then I recall Ann Coulter claiming "her paper," human events has debunked the "birther" nonsense, but I don't really bother reading her columns any longer preferring not to be insulted by "three cheers for Romneycare." I mean, is there really credible evidence that Obama is not a U.S. citizen because that would be huge..


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To: tomkat; Advocatus Sancti Sepulchri

LOL!!! Well, don’t give the guy a break or eve a welcome sign!

LOL

That’s what it’s like to be the FNG.


51 posted on 03/21/2012 9:12:16 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: tomkat; Advocatus Sancti Sepulchri

LOL!!! Well, don’t give the guy a break or eve a welcome sign!

LOL

That’s what it’s like to be the FNG.


52 posted on 03/21/2012 9:12:50 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: AlexW
"Obviously, it would take the SCOTUS to affirm that, thereby confirming that Obumbo is NOT a Natural Born Citizen."

SCOTUS already has 'confirmed' that.

MINOR V. HAPPERSETT IS BINDING PRECEDENT AS TO THE CONSTITUTIONAL DEFINITION OF A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN.

53 posted on 03/21/2012 9:18:05 PM PDT by Godebert (NO PERSON EXCEPT A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN!)
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To: Yosemitest

Thank you for the information. Other than a few WND articles, I haven’t seen this information at NRO or other sites I frequent and I’d like to use this (I will attribute sources). I am amazed that not a single candidate would raise this issue..wait till the debates and just unload..it would be the event of the election year and an unprepared Obama would fumble miserably. From what I’ve read, Sheriff Joe has a lot more.


54 posted on 03/21/2012 9:22:26 PM PDT by Advocatus Sancti Sepulchri
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To: Advocatus Sancti Sepulchri
I understand. But FReepers mostly support FReepers.
You might mention your small business on your homepage, or provide a link.
Conservatives must support conservatives.
It's time we cut liberals where it hurts, in their wallet.
55 posted on 03/21/2012 9:23:56 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die!)
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To: Advocatus Sancti Sepulchri

Ann Coulter and the others who call this nonsense have been threatened into silence - a fact first investigated and reported on by Doug Hagmann and now confirmed by Arpaio’s posse.

I’m going to send you to a post where I give links you can check out, regarding this. It’s at http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2861437/posts?page=58#58 . There’s discussion after that post about how those threats could possibly work.

It’s late now so I won’t do it tonight but I want to address the birth certificate specifically, in a way that’s easy for a beginner to follow.

But until then it would do a lot if you can understand that George Soros was willing to commit extortion on the whole American media in order to keep this issue quiet. And anybody with eyes and ears can see that the media - including “conservative media” - is willfully ignoring this issue. Of all the issues in the run-up to the 2008 election, this is the one that Soros INSISTED be kept quiet. That should tell you a LOT, before we even get into the specifics of Obama’s birth documentation.

I’m not sure what tomorrow looks like so if you get the media threats all absorbed before I get back to you and want to deal with the birth certificate specifically, you could read at my blog at http://www.butterdezillion.wordpress.com .


56 posted on 03/21/2012 9:26:49 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: Advocatus Sancti Sepulchri
Use it as much as you want, but I'm just providing links, and I'm trying to give the originator of the source the credit.
Buy the book. It's worth your time.
57 posted on 03/21/2012 9:31:10 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die!)
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To: tomkat

Look, I think the two of us are both soldiers fightin in the same army. I think we agree on the issues, but I am absolutely opposed to Barack Hussein Obama and I can’t support Romney after looking at his record. This looks like a solid case on Obama’s citizenship’s fraud.


58 posted on 03/21/2012 9:36:24 PM PDT by Advocatus Sancti Sepulchri
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To: null and void

the US Supreme Court in a ruling in 1874 clarified the meaning of NATURAL BORN TO BE BORN OF TWO U.S. CITIZENS. not necessarily on u.s. soil. Remember the military and their spouse being U.S. CITIZENS give birth over seas to children and are NATURAL BORN.


59 posted on 03/21/2012 9:41:46 PM PDT by spookie
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To: PhilosopherStone1000

SORRY IT WAS the newly elected Governor of Hawaii that caused the birth certificate to be posted. He promise upon taking office would make his original publice. Several weeks after taking office a reporter asked him about his promise. He reply was that he could not find it but knew it existed. That in turned increased the DB level on asking for his long form.


60 posted on 03/21/2012 9:45:44 PM PDT by spookie
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To: Yosemitest

I really like the story I read about a small business owner showing his support for Limbaugh after Fluke ploy..he bought a big ad buy. I agree, and I’m paying attention the big companies that get in bed with democrats..not with my dollars! What businesses need are major changes in D.C., Obama’s anti-business policies are killing small businesses while union cronies reap rewards.


61 posted on 03/21/2012 9:49:13 PM PDT by Advocatus Sancti Sepulchri
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To: spookie
Have you read this?
62 posted on 03/21/2012 9:54:08 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die!)
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To: Advocatus Sancti Sepulchri

U.S Supreme Court in 1874 defined the term NATURAL BORN as being a child born of two. u.s. citizens. The 14th amendment states “All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisidiction thereof are citizens of the United States....” It does not state natural born but simply born here.
Thus Obama is not natural born because his father was a British subject at the time. They tried to confuse the issue by reference to 14th amendment and as you see in the quotes is the actual word for word segment concerning born in the united states.


63 posted on 03/21/2012 9:59:59 PM PDT by spookie
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To: Advocatus Sancti Sepulchri

U.S Supreme Court in 1874 defined the term NATURAL BORN as being a child born of two. u.s. citizens. The 14th amendment states “All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisidiction thereof are citizens of the United States....” It does not state natural born but simply born here.
Thus Obama is not natural born because his father was a British subject at the time. They tried to confuse the issue by reference to 14th amendment and as you see in the quotes is the actual word for word segment concerning born in the united states.


64 posted on 03/21/2012 10:00:22 PM PDT by spookie
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To: Advocatus Sancti Sepulchri
Obama's actions are intentional. Search collapse the system.

Also read A guide to using HTML on Free Republic in 5 lines and HTML Sandbox 2008.
If you see a post that you like the format of,
65 posted on 03/21/2012 10:05:31 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die!)
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To: DakotaGator
So what we have is an illegal alien usurping the Office of the Presidency with the complicit treason of the Democrat Party (who certified to all the Several States that Obama was Constitutionally qualified for the office), The Justice Department (which refuses to investigate credible claims of treason), the entire Congress (whose members refused to challenge this treason), the entire Judicial Branch (which refuses to hear court challenges or dismisses them on technicalities), and all of the Several States (who refused to demand proof of Obama's citizenship).

I just posted the following on another thread but it applies to your comment. You forgot the military and its military code of honor and oath to defend the Constitution.

There are really five balances of power. The other two are:

) 1) The military code of honor and oath to defend the Constitution.

)2( The Second Amendment. ( Hopefully, this will never be necessary.)

As for the the military, a few courageous lower level officers questioned Obama’s eligibility. LTC Larkin spent 6 months in prison. Major Cook's career was destroyed, and I haven't heard anything about Capt. Rhodes.

The very highest levels of the military are either brain dead ( not likely) or they are willfully ignoring forgery, identity theft, election fraud, lying under oath, and fraudulent usurpation of a military command ( CIC).

Questions:

** When did ignoring identity theft, forged birth documents, failure to e-verify, social security fraud and identity theft, and usurpation of a military command become part of the military code of honor?

**When did ignoring this become part of defending the Constitution?

**Where is the evidence that our very highest military leaders peacefully and legally sought certifiable clarification that their CIC was legitimate from congress or the courts?

**Have any of the highest officers resigned their commission over this and held a press conference?

** Is this how the highest military officers watch the backs of the brave, honorable, and highly trained troops under their command?

** Is ignoring the oath to defend the Constitution and the military code of honor what is taught now in our military academies? ( Just wondering.)

66 posted on 03/21/2012 10:18:06 PM PDT by wintertime (Reforming a government K-12 school is like reforming an abortion center.)
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To: Godebert

“SCOTUS already has ‘confirmed’ that.”
___________________________________________

OK, so who is going to serve an eviction notice?
Us birthers are still derided as nuts and kooks,
by jerks like O’reilly.


67 posted on 03/21/2012 10:35:36 PM PDT by AlexW
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To: spookie
 Knock knock...
 Who's there?
 Kenya...
 Kenya who?

 Kenya show me a valid birth certificate?

68 posted on 03/21/2012 10:37:30 PM PDT by BobP (The piss-stream media - Never to be watched again in my house)
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To: Advocatus Sancti Sepulchri

Sheriff Joe: ‘Tons’ more shocking Obama info
http://www.wnd.com/2012/03/sheriff-joe-tons-more-shocking-obama-info/?cat_orig=us


69 posted on 03/21/2012 11:16:45 PM PDT by donna (Republicans won't change their ways until conservatives draw the line.)
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To: B4Ranch
Thanks for the link.
It reminds me of a writing from long ago: Yes, we were told that this would happen.of Moab, and the Hagarenes;
70 posted on 03/22/2012 1:12:19 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die!)
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To: Vendome
"NBS ? Natural Bull Shiiter . No Barry Stereo. crab. I can’t think of anything funny."

That was such a nice zinger it bears repeating.

71 posted on 03/22/2012 1:15:22 AM PDT by Flotsam_Jetsome (If not you, who? If not now, when?)
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To: Texas Fossil; tommix2; All
"Why doesn't Obama show us the proof that he is eligible to be president?"

Relevant: If anyone has a link to a statement by anyone credible and in a position of public notoriety ever asking, publicly and directly whether "Obama" is constitutionally qualified to hold office and been answered in the affirmative, said answer being straightforward and public as well, I'd very much appreciate their posting it. I personally cannot recall ever seeing such.

"His past will literally devour him at some point."

From your keyboard to God's inbox.

72 posted on 03/22/2012 1:54:45 AM PDT by Flotsam_Jetsome (If not you, who? If not now, when?)
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To: PhilosopherStone1000

Excellent summary.

“Where there’s smoke, there’s fire” is a reasonable way to sum the history of this affair. His actions, the facts and the circumstances do not yet convict him but they certainly make him suspect.


73 posted on 03/22/2012 1:58:31 AM PDT by Hostage (Be Breitbart!)
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To: Advocatus Sancti Sepulchri

There is a mountain of credible evidences that obozo is NOT constitutionally elig to be the pres.
However, no gov official is willling to address this issue except Sherrif Arpaio.
We the people are powerless to seek justice from the corrupt justice system.
However We the people can keep up the pressure to broadcast this issue, to seek justice in the court of public opinions.
Every level of gov has been infiltrated by the left/socialists/marxists/commie for many years now. ‘Conservative principles’ have been abandoned by most.
It takes them years to carry out this ‘coup’.
It will take us years to reverse course, to salvage our founding conservatism.
This is the wrong time to fight the right battle, OR there is a better way to fight the right battle -
to insist in not voting for a Rino even at the expense of keeping the usurper for 4 more years is NOT WISE, NOT STRATEGIC! Reasons -
- if our ‘not voting’ (i.e principled voting?) allows them to keep their man, we lose instantly!
- if we do whatever it takes to remove their man (e.g. vote him out!), we deal them a gigantic blow instsantly (even if you don’t think we win by getting a Rino)!

With a ‘win’ under our belts, we proceed to shape our destiny - hopefully we have a conservative congress and people, keeping a leash on the Rino president, guiding him along the right path....

Think of these scenarios -
1. Rino president: a real American who after all cares about the Americans, and on whom we can exert some influence
vs
their foreigner/terrorist man: with all his czars, agencies, exec orders, civilian armies, corrupt justice, DEPT OF INJUSTICE HOLDER! filthy rich commie handlers, union thugs, chicago mobs.... rendering Congress irrelevant and squashing us like bugs!

2. With obozo out of power, gov officils (may be the lamestream too)will be set free of their fear and finally ACT to prosecute the criminal obozo! (At least there is a chance even if the Rino pres comes to his rescue)
With obozo in the oval office - NO ONE DARES TO DO ANYTHING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HE CAN BUTCHER US ANY WAY HE WANTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FOR 4 MORE YEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ABSOLUTELY NO CHANCE OR NO USE FOR US TO OPPOSE HIM!!!!!!!

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE
VOTE OBOZO OUT! HE MUST BE OUT BEFORE WE CAN PROSECUTE HIM, OR HOPE TO PROSECUTE HIM!

If obozo stays, we have NO HOPE! We need hope to sustain us.

OBAMA MUST GO BEFORE WE CAN
HOPE FOR THE CHNAGE WE REALLY WANT!

OBAMA STAYS MEANS ‘NO WE CAN’T’
OBAMA GONE MEANS ‘YES WE CAN’!!!

Hope you agree with this message and spread it.


74 posted on 03/22/2012 2:13:00 AM PDT by chrisnj
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To: PhilosopherStone1000

Well your great exhibition of reason in post #7 was just just delivered a self-demotion in your post #13.

Who would one rather vote for? Ahmadinejad or Hugo Chavez?

It is better to take control of the Senate with increased TP influence and add to the TP ranks of the House to stop Obama cold rather than to smear the GOP brand with the likes of RINO Romney.

We need to use the election of 2014 to wipe out any vestiges of the democrat infiltration of the GOP also known as the current GOP establishment/elite or GOP-E.

Do not under any circumstances support the election of Romney.

For 2012, pray for a brokered convention where Newt and Santorum have a chance to tear Romney and the GOP-E some new as*holes.

I personally would like to see Tokyo Rove and his ilk defect to the democrat party.


75 posted on 03/22/2012 2:35:12 AM PDT by Hostage (Be Breitbart!)
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To: PhilosopherStone1000
9) Obama hid his long time association with Bill Ayers (who wrote “Dreams of My Father” for him).

The book is Dreams From My Father, but so many people say "of" that you can probably find it by that title too, LOL!

76 posted on 03/22/2012 2:51:33 AM PDT by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: AlexW
"OK, so who is going to serve an eviction notice? Us birthers are still derided as nuts and kooks, by jerks like O’reilly."

Sherif Joe! He will not back down from threats and ridicule. He will uphold his sworn oath to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of America.

77 posted on 03/22/2012 3:16:10 AM PDT by Godebert (NO PERSON EXCEPT A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN!)
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To: Hostage
"For 2012, pray for a brokered convention where Newt and Santorum have a chance to tear Romney and the GOP-E some new as*holes. I personally would like to see Tokyo Rove and his ilk defect to the democrat party."

Newt should go nuclear and demand an investigation into Obama's elligibility. The republican elite would wet their pants.

78 posted on 03/22/2012 3:24:44 AM PDT by Godebert (NO PERSON EXCEPT A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN!)
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To: TheOldLady


79 posted on 03/22/2012 3:34:04 AM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas gerit ;-{)
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To: Advocatus Sancti Sepulchri

The basic ‘issue’ the sheriff is chasing is a simple one.

Forgery - the criminal creation of a government issued document that is not authentic

Fraud - misrepresentation of such forgeries for the purposes of misleading citizens of his county.

So far the good sheriff has not - and probably will not - bring up issues such as constitutional issues or possible foreign birth or the definition of ‘natural born Citizen’.

He is after forgers who have defrauded his people.


80 posted on 03/22/2012 5:29:48 AM PDT by bluecat6 ( "A non-denial denial. They doubt our heritage, but they don't say the story is not accurate.")
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To: Texas Fossil
I have seen no evidence that makes me think he was born in Kenya, but it is possible.

Actually, there has been released two Kenyan birth certificates (one with footprints; one w/o), but authentication for those is no more or less established than for Barry's version.

With footprints:
http://theobamafile.com/_people/LucasSmith.htm

Without footprints:
http://citizenwells.wordpress.com/2009/08/02/obama-kenyan-kenyan-birth-certificate-orly-taitz-smoking-gun-obama-not-natural-born-citizen-usurper-mombasa-kenya-birth-certificate/

81 posted on 03/22/2012 6:24:01 AM PDT by TexasVoter (No Constitution? No Union!)
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To: Texas Fossil
There is no hospital record of Obozo's birth in HI. None. So there is a legitimate question if he is qualified to hold the office he was elected to.

While I agree with everything else you said, it is this statement to which I have to take exception. How do you KNOW there are no hospital records of Obozo's birth?

I cannot see a hospital either confirming or denying someone's medical records. A Lack of a statement from any hospital doesn't prove anything.

Are there statements from hospitals AFFIRMING that there are no records? If not, we cannot draw conclusions from negative information. We can only draw conclusions from positive affirmations.

I personally suspect he was born in Canada, but Hawaiian Hospitals keeping mum are not proof of this.

82 posted on 03/22/2012 6:52:55 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: Uncle Slayton
He used an Indonesian passport to travel to Pakistan as it would have been illegal for an American.

This is a false meme. Americans were not barred from traveling to Pakistan, they were warned that it might be dangerous. An American COULD travel to Pakistan during this time, but it would have been a foolish thing to do.

That being said, I also suspect he used an Indonesian passport.

83 posted on 03/22/2012 6:56:53 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: PhilosopherStone1000

There was no problem with traveling to Pakistan in 1981 under a U.S. passport. There was a travel advisory. You were advised that it might be dangerous. But there was no prohibition on traveling to Pakistan in 1981 on a U.S. passport.


84 posted on 03/22/2012 6:58:23 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to DC to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: DiogenesLamp

There is a very legitmate looking Kenyan birth certificate online.

People have said it is a forgery because of thi or that, but others have debuinked those objections.

To date it is still 1000% more believable than the FRAUD Obama foisted on the public.

WHO CREATED BARACK OBAMA’S FRAUDLULENT BC AND WHY?
WHO OREDERED THEM TO DO IT?
WHAT “TEAM OF LAWERS” WENT TO HAWAII TO “SIGHN WAIVERS” TO GET HIS BC?
WHY DID HE NEED TO “SIGN WAIVERS”?
WHAT ARE THESE “WAIVERS”?


85 posted on 03/22/2012 6:58:30 AM PDT by Mr. K (If Romney wins the primary, I am writing-in PALIN)
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To: tommix2

Agree! the “prove your eligibility” drumbeat must continue to grow and echo nationwide.


86 posted on 03/22/2012 7:01:42 AM PDT by mcshot (Friends of A. Breitbart concerned by removal of US flags near the Presidential podium.)
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To: DiogenesLamp

If there had been hospital records they would have been released to silence the controversy. They have not been, and that silence is the best indication we have about him. This is also supported by the fact that at different times his birth has been attributed to different Hospitals in HI.

I never used the word, “proof”. Proof implies certainty, there is no certainty concerning Obozo’s history. His past is clearly “conjured”.


87 posted on 03/22/2012 7:13:07 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: wintertime
Your points are correct. Your questions valid but unanswered by the Armed Forces (which is not the Department of Defense).

The Democrat Party has been allowed to gut our Armed Forces, shaping and politicizing its current upper leadership. This has been purposefully done so that the Armed Forces have forgotten their Constitutional obligation, thus tacitly supporting the Democrat Party's un-Constitutional activities.

All should remember that starting with Clinton all Democrat Presidents have overtly wanted control of the Armed Forces to operate within the United States and/or a separate internal Armed Force under their direct control. Obama represents the peak of this desire, coming very close to realizing the Democrat's goal.

The light of Freedom is very close to being extinguished.

88 posted on 03/22/2012 7:22:45 AM PDT by DakotaGator (Weep for the lost Republic! And keep your powder dry!!)
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To: Vendome; Advocatus Sancti Sepulchri
LOL!!! Well, don’t give the guy a break or eve a welcome sign!

LOL

That’s what it’s like to be the FNG.

This is something I have never understood. It seems to be a common practice to immediately look at the signup date of someone whenever they appear here and post a comment. I realize that Liberal trolls show up here to sow dissent and act as agents provocateur, but why the automatic assumption that newbies are always trolls?

I have been posting here for almost a year now, and everything i've written is hard core conservative, yet a few weeks ago, there were those alleging I was a troll. (Because I pooh poohed their theory that Stanley Ann Dunham is not Barry's mother.)

Conservatives may disagree on things, and MANY conservatives do not agree with the "birther" issue in any form. "Ace" of Ace of Spades HQ is a die hard conservative, but he will not accept or tolerate any suggestion that Barack Obama is not legitimate. He is NOT a liberal, he just happens to be a conservative who disagrees with myself and others on this issue.

I would suggest that his is the majority opinion currently among conservatives, especially among those leaning towards the established orthodoxy.

In any case, I urge people to withhold judgement of people until they make it clear that they are a troll, rather than a conservative with which we might disagree.

Advocatus Sancti Sepulchri, I welcome you to Free Republic, and I will grant you the courtesy of presuming you to be one of us until you should conduct yourself in such a way that I should presume otherwise.

89 posted on 03/22/2012 7:34:43 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: Godebert

And a lot of us little peons would rally to his side.

I believe Newt is a patriot. Whether he gets the nomination or not, I hope and pray that he will be the attack dog against Obama. His ability to file a LAWSUIT would depend on being the R candidate, I think. But at this point I don’t even want a lawsuit because the judiciary is fatally corrupted. At this point our best shot is a criminal trial, for which there would be a jury.

So calls by Newt for an independent prosecutor to conduct a criminal investigation would be a FANTASTIC thing.

Get Newt and Donald Trump both demanding this and things could heat up quickly.


90 posted on 03/22/2012 8:26:18 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: DiogenesLamp

Mike Evans said in a radio interview that HI Gov Neil Abercrombie told him he went to both hospitals with a search warrant and was not able to find birth records for Obama.

A search warrant would overrule HIPAA. So would a subpoena.


91 posted on 03/22/2012 8:31:55 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: Yosemitest
I understand. But FReepers mostly support FReepers. You might mention your small business on your homepage, or provide a link. Conservatives must support conservatives. It's time we cut liberals where it hurts, in their wallet.

Amen to this! We need to wage economic war on them. We need to refrain from buying their products or the products of those who associate with them.

I just recently learned that "Progressive Insurance" is a big supporter of liberal groups, and if anyone buys insurance from "Progressive" they need to immediately find another insurance company.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2721677/posts

92 posted on 03/22/2012 8:44:04 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: Godebert
Newt should go nuclear and demand an investigation into Obama's elligibility. The republican elite would wet their pants.

At this point he has nothing else to lose. I doubt he will do it though. He still likes to socialize with those people.

93 posted on 03/22/2012 8:49:53 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: Mr. K
There is a very legitmate looking Kenyan birth certificate online.

People have said it is a forgery because of thi or that, but others have debuinked those objections.

I believe in the veracity of any supposed Kenyan documents to the same extent I believe in the Email from a Nigerian who needs me to help him transfer some money.

I put absolutely no stock in anything which purports to come from the nation of Kenya. I have little doubt you can buy a document from there that will say anything you want it to say.

Apart from that, this article in American Thinker convinces me that the likelihood of a birth in Kenya is virtually impossible.

94 posted on 03/22/2012 8:55:49 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: Texas Fossil
If there had been hospital records they would have been released to silence the controversy.

This is a non sequitur. Just because YOU see that as the best course of action, does not mean that Obama sees it as the best course of action. His reasons for doing or not doing something are not PROOF of anything.

They have not been, and that silence is the best indication we have about him.

He does not legally have to release any of these records, so why should he? The Hospital cannot release them without his permission, even if they exist. The fact that none have been released is not proof that they don't exist.

This is also supported by the fact that at different times his birth has been attributed to different Hospitals in HI.

Proof of a mistake, not proof of non-existance. It is reasonable to think that some people might not know what hospital they are born in.

I never used the word, “proof”. Proof implies certainty, there is no certainty concerning Obozo’s history. His past is clearly “conjured”.

I'm just saying, we should only exhibit certainty about those things of which we can be certain about. At the moment, I put the existence or non-existence of his medical records into the "have no proof one way or the other" category.

Affirmative statements from the Hospitals themselves attesting that they have no records would move it into the "proven" category. Absent that, we have to leave it as a variable.

Again, I THINK he has no hospital records, (not in Hawaii anyway) but I don't KNOW if this is true or not.

95 posted on 03/22/2012 9:06:29 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: Advocatus Sancti Sepulchri
Then I recall Ann Coulter claiming "her paper," human events has debunked the "birther" nonsense, but I don't really bother reading her columns any longer preferring not to be insulted by "three cheers for Romneycare."

With apologies to David Letterman, here are the Top Ten Reasons Ann Coulter is "in the bag for Romney"...

#10--She converted to Mormonism, so being anti-Romney is no longer an option.
#9--She slipped on her loofah in the shower and hit her head on the left side.
#8--She figured it might be a way to get on Rosie O'Donnell's show, before it was cancelled.
#7--She was tired of the cheap CPAC honorariums and veering left was a quick out.
#6--Wanted to boost book sales by appealing to the Dem market for a change....well, for Dems who can read.
#5--Having fun playing "Boys with Benefits" with Romney's five sons.
#4--"Actually, Romney looks much better in private than he does at a Tea Party Rally."
#3--When your temperature hits 108, you'll say almost anything.
#2--"One lousy comment about Obama, and I woke up at the Huffington Post....had to lie my way out, and it got to be a habit!"

And the number one reason Anne Coulter is "in the bag" for Romney....

#1--Too many "Pink Lady's"

96 posted on 03/22/2012 9:07:12 AM PDT by Scooter100 ("Now that the fog has lifted, I still can't find my pipe". --- S. Holmes)
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To: DiogenesLamp

There is a very good reason that Stanley Ann showed up in Washignton State only days after the supposed birthdate of little barry bassturd ... and it has nothing to do with airplane flights from Hawaii.


97 posted on 03/22/2012 9:11:04 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: butterdezillion
Mike Evans said in a radio interview that HI Gov Neil Abercrombie told him he went to both hospitals with a search warrant and was not able to find birth records for Obama.

A search warrant would overrule HIPAA. So would a subpoena.

Now see, THAT is what I would call PROOF, except for one thing. It is "Hearsay." If it could be VERIFIED, then it would be proof, but the statement of someone regarding the actions of another is second hand testimony, and is not really proof.

Is there a way we can verify whether or not a search warrant was actually issued, and that the Hospitals admit to having no records?

We need to be very careful about repeating things which are not proven, but if they are proven, we need to cite the proof which verifies them. If this has been proven, it needs to be circulated widely. However, I don't think Mike Evans saying so is proof. He recanted about what he said regarding Gov Abercrombie not being able to find a birth certificate, so in any arena of public scrutiny, his credibility has been compromised.

I would love for this to be true though.

98 posted on 03/22/2012 9:14:06 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: MHGinTN
There is a very good reason that Stanley Ann showed up in Washignton State only days after the supposed birthdate of little barry bassturd ... and it has nothing to do with airplane flights from Hawaii.

I agree. It is my suspicion that she was there all along. In 1961, I cannot imagine the Family wanting to have her around to give birth to the child of a black man. I think she left Hawaii to stay with relatives (Either Ralph Dunham, or Eleanor Birkebeile, both living in Northwest Washington state at the time) prior to his birth. This was the custom for embarrassing pregnancies of that era.

I have already pointed out how Madelyn Dunham's co-workers were not aware she had a grandchild until they heard he was running for President. Had Madelyn been proud of her grandson (the normal behavior of a grandmother) she would have told her co-workers when he was born, and likely have pictures of him upon her desk. ( I should say most people would.)

The fact that they remained in the dark about his existence implies that Madelyn Dunham was initially uncomfortable with the social stigma attached at this time. She was from Kansas, but lived in Oklahoma and Texas where (at the time) it was a FELONY CRIME to produce mixed race children.

I think Barry was born in White Rock or Vancouver Canada, and only has a weak connection to American citizenship through the actions of his Grandmother back in Hawaii, who filed an at home birth registration with the state.

So far, I know of no evidence which impugns this probability thread.

99 posted on 03/22/2012 9:25:31 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: DiogenesLamp

If I understand it correctly, this is where an actual criminal investigation would have powers that an investigative posse would not have. The posse could ask either Mike Evans or Neil Abercrombie to speak with them but I don’t think it could require them to be deposed. An actual criminal investigation could require depositions, although I’m not sure whether there would first have to be criminal charges filed against somebody.

I don’t know what subpoena powers the posse has, but since there is probable cause for crimes, a criminal investigation should be able to get access to phone records, search warrant records, hospital records, etc, I would think.

The difficult part is that anything that comes from Hawaii is just as likely to be fake as to be genuine - and the posse is aware of that as well. You might remember that Eric Holder is trying (and maybe has succeeded by now) in changing the FOIA rules to allow agencies to lie about the existence of records. Since the OIP aligns their interpretation of HI law to conform to FOIA standards, that could mean that Hawaii can claim that search warrant records don’t exist when they actually do. It could also mean that NARA could say that records for Aug 1-7 don’t exist when they actually do... Etc ad nauseum.

This is why people need to understand that the corruption and crimes WITHIN OUR OWN GOVERNMENT mean that we can never know ANYTHING.

Just looking at the phone records for Mike Evans could be very revealing. I believe when he recanted he claimed that he hadn’t actually spoken with Abercrombie, just somebody in Abercrombie’s office. It would be interesting to see the phone records - for both the time when he would have spoken to Abercrombie AND both phone and e-mail records for the time between his radio claims and the time he recanted. Who all did he speak to before deciding to say that he had never claimed to speak to Abercrombie (which he clearly DID claim in his radio spots).

Evans seems like an honest guy. He came out with these claims all on his own. He would have had the access to Abercrombie that he claimed he had, because of his past dealings with Abercrombie. That he - a man whose livelihood depends upon being credible - would so quickly reverse himself and claim something that is easily disproven by listening to the actual audiotape smacks of pressure and/or threats and actually makes his original claims MORE believable, IMHO.

What Evans said Abercrombie told him fits in well with what Abercrombie told a columnist at the Star-Advertiser (that a month-long investigation had resulted in finding that something was “actually written down” but that this was going to be a real problem for Obama because what they have would not convince doubters - NOT what would be said if the original BC was bound in the book right where it belonged, as Fukino later claimed - and PARTICULARLY not if the BC was also in the security microfilms created in 1961, which is what Arpaio wants to see).


100 posted on 03/22/2012 9:45:09 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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