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Fatal Addiction: Ted Bundy's Final Interview
Pure Intimacy ^ | 1/24/89 | Dr James Dobson

Posted on 03/21/2012 8:05:22 PM PDT by Linda Frances

Ted: I’m no social scientist, and I don’t pretend to believe what John Q. Citizen thinks about this, but I’ve lived in prison for a long time now, and I’ve met a lot of men who were motivated to commit violence. Without exception, every one of them was deeply involved in pornography - deeply consumed by the addiction. The F.B.I.’s own study on serial homicide shows that the most common interest among serial killers is pornographers. It’s true.

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TOPICS: Miscellaneous; Society
KEYWORDS: enforcepornlaws; jamesdobson; pornography; serialkiller; tedbundy
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To: riri
I don’t think Bundy is talking about run of the mill porn here.

Not to be adversarial here but..

Bundy was born in 1946. He claims to have gotten into Grandpa's porn collection.

In the 1950's, with no Internet, chat rooms, P2P networking, etc, the US postal service was the only way Grandpa would have been able to get his porn. And the postal service was watching for stuff like child porn and other bizarre stuff. So how would Bundy have been able to get his grubby little hands on non-run of the mill porn.

He couldn't. Th whole porn thing was a smoke screen. Bundy, and other killers like him, want attention. What got him attention - "Oh, porn made me do it."

51 posted on 03/22/2012 5:39:55 AM PDT by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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To: Shery
Normal men don’t.

Normal men don't want to look at porn??

Then they aren't normal men.

Whether they look or not is an individual decision but God instilled in all of us sexual desire. Without, the human race would die out.

Bundy's sin wasn't looking at porn, it was rape, torture mutilation, necrophilia - the really gross stuff he did never came out. I've talked to a couple of former FBI agents about Bundy. He wasn't human, he was rabid dog in human form that needed to be put down for the good of humanity

52 posted on 03/22/2012 5:47:11 AM PDT by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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To: mountainbunny
Frankly, and in plain language, Dr. Dobson was wrong to give Bundy the platform. He was flat out wrong to give him publicity. Bundy never before or after said that pornography was an issue, and flat out denied that it was a factor in interviews after the fact.

Unholy monsters like Ted Bundy deserve a bullet through the skull, and not one thing more.


I forgot to mention something else. All the years he was in prison he never gave an interview. This is the only one, 17 hours before he was executed. ABC, CBS, NBC, national and worldwide media asked for an interview throughout the years, but he refused; and he gave it to Dr. Dobson.(Focus on the Family) who never asked for an interview. Dobson said Bundy did not trust the media to tell the story about how terrible illegal porn is and what it can lead to. Dobson agreed to share the interview with all media, provided they give the whole interview, because the point of the interview was the effect of this kind of porn (illegal) on people. After they agreed to only print the whole interview; they lied. They selected the sensational exerts and did not mention the reason for the interview; the effects of violent porn on people. The media never changes.

53 posted on 03/22/2012 5:51:10 AM PDT by Linda Frances (Only God can change a heart, but we can pray for hearts to be changed)
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To: KosmicKitty
Ted and all criminals...most people actually, was possessed by evil that made his compulsion seem inevitable to him. Porn was a symptom of his built up rage that began long ago for him; not the actual cause. I think he saw that it was a fuel for his monster, but he may not have seen that it was unforgiveness for people that was the real cause. At the fhu.com, they teach people a wonderful Be Still and know exercise that is freeing many people including criminals in jail.
54 posted on 03/22/2012 5:53:45 AM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter")
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To: freebilly
The point of my posting was to show people the difference in the legal porn out there and the kind of porn Rick Santorum was talking about; illegal. Everyone keeps saying Rick wants to ban porn; he does not. He does not want to make any new laws. He just wants the illegal porn laws enforced.
55 posted on 03/22/2012 5:55:06 AM PDT by Linda Frances (Only God can change a heart, but we can pray for hearts to be changed)
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To: fredhead
Are VW drivers (like me) violent murderers?

There is a strong link between Hitler and the Volkswagen. I'm resisting an urge to send a SWAT team to your house.

Then again, is that rust or blood next to the handle on the trunk of that VW?

Off, OFF Damned Sarcasm!!!

56 posted on 03/22/2012 5:55:15 AM PDT by Night Hides Not (My dream ticket for 2012 is John Galt & Dagny Taggart!)
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To: Linda Frances

Bundy was a manipulator and a liar. He was evil personified. This interview is not a window into his soul. It’s simply another deception from a psychopath. I cannot imagine why it would hold anyone’s attention after all of these years.

The monster is dead. Leave him to rot.


57 posted on 03/22/2012 5:55:24 AM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife ("For the sake of our party we must stand united, whoever our nominee is."-Sarah Palin)
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To: zeestephen
Today, American serial killers rarely get past three or four victims before they are caught.

If only that were true.

The arrest rate for murder in general is hovering around 62% - that means almost 40% of the time, no one gets arrested for the crime. That's not even looking at what happens when the case gets into the court system.

Despite what you see on TV, stranger murders are extremely rare and often, with no connection, no one gets arrested.

58 posted on 03/22/2012 5:58:33 AM PDT by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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To: bigbob
Ted Bundy, walking the green mile, and having a little last minute fun with old Rev. Dobson. Walking the mile while having blaming it on porn instead of his own mental disease.
Sittin’ in Ole Sparky thinking of his last little joke...

Bundy was a lying, manipulating sociopath, during this interview, and to the final jolt.


This interview was given 17 hours before he was executed. Over the years all the media asked for an interview but he would never give one. Dr. Dobson never asked for his interview. This might have been a last ditch effort to do one thing right. Warn people about the effects of “illegal porn” on people, especially kids. He came from a good home, but when he found this porn, that his parent did not know he had, it started his path down hell.
You can try to hid stuff from kids, but as much as a parent tries, sometimes they get it anyway.

Dr Dobson is not a member of the clergy. He started Focus on the Family.
Dr. Dobson completed his Ph.D. in child development at the University of Southern California. He joined the faculty of Children's Hospital in Los Angeles and, in 1970, became associate clinical professor of pediatrics at the USC School of Medicine. Over the next several years as Dr. Dobson authored his first several books, he became increasingly concerned about the breakdown of the traditional family and its negative effects on the culture at large.

If this a ploy God knows it and will judge him the way he deserves to be judged. He knows the heart of everyone, even if they don't speak a word.
God will make sure justice is done.

59 posted on 03/22/2012 6:13:11 AM PDT by Linda Frances (Only God can change a heart, but we can pray for hearts to be changed)
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To: Linda Frances

Yeah, fine, but he needs to stop talking about it. The social issues need to take a back burner. The Republic is being dismantled brick by brick, our economy’s being willfully destroyed, and Rick is in the backroom talking about porn....

C’mon, we need leaders focused on the real tasks at hand....


60 posted on 03/22/2012 6:33:25 AM PDT by freebilly (Obama Sings While America Sinks....)
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To: Secret Agent Man
Regular porn is nothing like porn that has violence in it. And there is no “natural”progression from one to the other, someone has to have been damaged by a woman or had terrible relationships with women, plus a lot of other things wrong with them to even consider that to be what they would want to do to someone else.

Your right, regular porn, legal, is nothing like “illegal porn’ . I was making the point that Rick Santorum does not want to ban legal porn; he wants the laws enforced on “illegal porn” . As I mentioned to others, this interview was done 17 hours before he was executed and this is his only interview. He never asked Dobson for the interview that all the media wanted. Bundy wanted people to know the effects illegal porn has on people and what it did to him. He apparently thought Dr. Dobson was the only one who would give the facts that this man came from a good home, had everything going for him until this violent porn came into his life. It's all in the interview. In the end, God will judge him. That is what we all want, to see justice done.

61 posted on 03/22/2012 6:45:59 AM PDT by Linda Frances (Only God can change a heart, but we can pray for hearts to be changed)
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To: berdie
Con man. Nothing more..nothing less.

They all have some kind of excuse to exonerate themselves.


He was executed 17 hours after this interview. He will be judged by the ultimate judge, who knows every heart. Justice will be done.

62 posted on 03/22/2012 6:49:49 AM PDT by Linda Frances (Only God can change a heart, but we can pray for hearts to be changed)
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To: Strategerist

Yes, and one could use that data to form a hypothesis that people with tendencies toward these violent acts are using the porn, violent video games, movies, etc, as proxies, to satisfy their urges without resorting to crime. Serial killers are the terminal end of a psychological spectrum of sadistic sexual criminals, where their violent urges are tied to their sexual impulses. Normal men often redirect their healthy sexual urges in various ways, such as exercise, sports, hobbies, and, horror of horrors, masturbation and pornography. There’s certainly good reason to suspect that sexual sadists can redirect their abnormal urges in the same ways. It would explain why most serial killers collect trophies, return to the scenes of their previous crimes, watch pornography, and often try to get jobs where they are in some position of authority. Many serial killers have flat out said that they use these substitutes to postpone their urge to kill again.


63 posted on 03/22/2012 6:50:40 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

Ted: I’m no social scientist

Nope, he wasn’t. What he was, was a manipulative, calculating serial killer. Ted Bundy’s endorsement does not help any viewpoint.


He wasn’t endorsing anything. He just told Dr. Dobson what illegal porn did to him. In the end, he was judged, just 17 hours later, by a God who knows every person’s heart and sees all. Justice was done.


64 posted on 03/22/2012 6:58:38 AM PDT by Linda Frances (Only God can change a heart, but we can pray for hearts to be changed)
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To: donna

Donna, I was trying to help people understand that Rick Santorum doesn’t want to make new porn laws, he just wants the current laws on “illegal porn” enforced, because this is what it can led to.


65 posted on 03/22/2012 7:01:23 AM PDT by Linda Frances (Only God can change a heart, but we can pray for hearts to be changed)
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To: nathanbedford

“believe that social conservatives, of whom I count myself one on many issues, do a great disservice to our cause and to their own cause when they seek to legislate in areas best left to the grace of God.”/

But what if those same issues(”left to the grace of God”) grow into the very cancers that liberals are using to destroy our country?

For our country and others in the world, it has become a “who is on the Lord’s side” issue not just a freedom issue...there is very little time left. You can sense it in the fear of judgment that has pervaded the fashionable “2012 apocalypse” or the the “planet Nibiru” believing sects. Whether or not these issues have anything thing true about them or not is not the issue, it is the palpable fear of judgment that has been affecting many of late.
Perhaps the alien space people will save us or a “one world government with a new world order”? Who shall lead us out our dull perplexities and our nameless dread?

Speaking of Issues “best left to the grace of God”, Revelation speaks of the “woman giving Birth to a child” who is taken up into Heaven to later rule the Earth “with a rod of Iron”? Could you live in such a world where drunkeness, pornography, fornication, abortion, contraception ect ( all the “bad” various behaviours and thought patterns that “free men” make their own choices about, which should be left to God’s grace, as you’ve stated) are ruthlessly forbidden?

It is why even in America, there was always going to be at some point a breaking away from its founding Christian moorings (and that those of righteous faith will come into conflict with our own systems of governing). For the suceeding generations of peoples have forgotten their Christian roots, even scoffing at the simple faith of our forefathers and scoffing at notions of patriotism and singular nationalism. Washington said that it was “Morality and Faith” that were the “twin props” of our freedoms and when we lost those, we lost the country in that we lost the Judeao-Christian consensus of the population that was in operation when the Constituion was forged.
Thus our constitution and is principles have become twisted and mangled, its contexts misintepreted deliberately by ruthless men governed by that spirit of Lawlessness and by even more shadowy men and forces who hate the Christ because he is Lord, God in the flesh! It is he, by the Spirit,that writes his Laws of Love and righteousness in the inward parts of those who still love him and desire to see his Glory manifested in this nation and in the world!

Thus as our Country darkens, those who are in the Light will shine brighter and shame those darkened “elites” who will, “in the name of the Constituion” ,will behave unconstitutionally against the righteous of this nation!


66 posted on 03/22/2012 8:21:51 AM PDT by mdmathis6 (Christ came not to make man into God but to restore fellowship of the Godhead with man.)
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To: MacMattico

I know wikipedia isn’t all that great, but there was a lot more going on in his household then it being a “good Christian home”, with signs of insanity from an early age. Take a look at the wiki page.


There are so many different stories about his growing up years out their. If you look at wiki, they have different stories about his family life. During trial he tried the “It’s not my fault, it was my family life” excuse. He lied and kept saying he did not do it, up until just before he was executed. In the end I think he was terrified about facing God and finally said he was guilty of all the deaths and that it wasn’t his families fault. He did think when he found the violent porn, it changed him.

This is one of the Wiki pages on him.
Ted Bundy was born Theodore Robert Cowell to Louise Cowell on November 24, 1946, at the Elizabeth Lund Home for Unwed Mothers in Burlington, Vermont. After eight weeks at the home Louise returned to her parents’ house in Philadelphia to raise her new son. For the first several years of his life Ted thought his grandparents were his parents and his mother was his sister. In 1951 Louise and Ted moved to Tacoma, Washington and Louise married Johnnie Bundy, a military cook.
Bundy’s Teenage Years:

Despite his parental circumstances and meager surroundings Bundy was well behaved and grew into an attractive teen who was generally liked and who performed well in school. After high school he entered the University of Puget Sound and continued to do well academically, but felt uncomfortable around his fellow peers who were predominantly wealthy. In his sophomore year Bundy transferred to the University of Washington to escape the uncomfortable feeling of his financial inadequacy.


67 posted on 03/22/2012 8:31:52 AM PDT by Linda Frances (Only God can change a heart, but we can pray for hearts to be changed)
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To: Linda Frances

Linda, thank you for posting this interview. As expected, many FReepers ignored the message and denied the dangers of porn.

Many more attacked Bundy as self serving. But this one quote caught my attention:

“What I hope will come of our discussion is that I think society deserves to be protected from itself.”

Ted Bundy was correct about this. And unfortunately our society has failed to learn much of anything about the depravities of men like Bundy.

We do not have enough jails to hold those convicted of sex crimes against our children. And so we let them loose on our societies only to be appalled that they rape, molest and even murder more children again and again.

And if you follow the logic of many FReepers, there is no ban against pornography in the Constitution, so you are a Nanny Stater go-gooder tyring to impose your views on others if you dare to even support a ban on porn.

In the mean time... the raping of our children continues.


68 posted on 03/22/2012 9:04:04 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: dadfly

I was trying to point out the kind of illegal porn that Rick Santorum wants laws enforced on. A lot of people out there are saying Rick wants to ban all porn. He will not make new porn laws, only enforce what is already on the books.


69 posted on 03/22/2012 9:51:26 AM PDT by Linda Frances (Only God can change a heart, but we can pray for hearts to be changed)
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To: Ken H

Your right. There is strong evidence that porn is harmful. The illegal porn collates with higher rates of violent crime.


70 posted on 03/22/2012 9:56:44 AM PDT by Linda Frances (Only God can change a heart, but we can pray for hearts to be changed)
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To: Linda Frances

Thank you for posting.

“Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is just, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is commendable, if there is any excellence, if there is anything worthy of praise, think about these things.”


71 posted on 03/22/2012 10:03:43 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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To: Cheburashka

Remind me again - how many times has Hugh Hefner been convicted of murder, manslaughter, assault and battery, any violence?
Not saying that Hefner is a model citizen living a model lifestyle, but somehow he seems to have avoided violent crime, and how much porn has he looked at anyway?

Accepting Ted Bundy’s excuses for his murders just makes the people accepting the excuses look like dingbats of the first order.

Alternative hypothesis: Ted was bored on death row, so he came up with various attention-getting cons, this being one of them. Give the marks what they want.

Ted Bundy ate food, therefore eating is a gateway to violent murders.


Hugh Hefner sells “legal” porn. Bundy found some “illegal porn” in some boxes in an alley. Rick does not want to ban porn, he just wants the laws against “illegal porn” enforced.

At trial he tried to lie first saying he didn’t do it. Then he tried “it’s my families fault, the way I was raised.” Then he’s crazy. His lawyers were looking for ways to get him off.

What Bundy did was unexcusable and horrific. Justice was served through his execution. I think for probably the first time in his life he realized he was going to face God and was scared. He should be. Everyone wanted his interview and he did not give it 17 hours before his execution. He called Dr. Dobson to interview him. The media was ticked that Dr. Dobson got it and not them.

Again, a lot of people were saying that Rick Santorum wants to ban porn and he doesn’t. He wants laws enforced on Illegal porn.


72 posted on 03/22/2012 10:22:02 AM PDT by Linda Frances (Only God can change a heart, but we can pray for hearts to be changed)
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To: donna

——Billy Graham:
Pornography treats people as mere objects to be used for our own selfish gratification. Pornography also destroys the meaning of true love. The Bible is clear: “But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality,

or of any kind of impurity” (Ephesians 5:3).——

Pornography has destroyed countless marriages. The causal relationship hardly needs proof, except for those who will accept none.

http://www.recoveryranch.com/articles/sex-addiction/more-attorneys-say-internet-pornography-a-factor-in-divorce/

A personal testimony, for the hard-hearted (http://www.squidoo.com/herheart):

How has this effected my marriage? It has stolen my husband from me. In result of his addiction, he has become incredibly irritated, moody, & angry, His behavior toward the children and I are unfavorable. He becomes depressed and has low self esteem. My husband the man I believed could hang the moon. My hero. He’s fallen into a black hole. I know I can’t change him, but I thought if I could some how love more, pray more, forgive more he would change. I have discovered that there is nothing I can do to help him. In fact I have hurt him by becoming his enabler. Although I believed otherwise all these years.

t has been difficult to find resources that deal with a sexual addition. I’ve bought material from the bible book store & from pure life ministries that has given me insight into the addiction, but I needed a resource for me, a wife of a porn addict. What am I suppose to do? What are the steps I have to take?... I do not want to give another minute of my life to an addict. I love him but he needs help. And that’s where I am today... He either gets the help he needs and deserves or I am leaving (this time I am). I’ve said it hundreds of times before so I know he doesn’t believe me. By staying I am hurting him by enabling him, I am hurting myself and my children.

Yeah. Harmless. Right.


73 posted on 03/22/2012 10:22:31 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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To: Pan_Yans Wife

Everyone is saying Rick Santorum wants to ban porn. He does not want any new laws. He wants laws enforced on Illegal porn, like what Bundy had. Many people actually believe that Rick wants to ban all porn and that is not true.


74 posted on 03/22/2012 10:24:46 AM PDT by Linda Frances (Only God can change a heart, but we can pray for hearts to be changed)
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To: Linda Frances

Another testimonial (they’re not hard to find):

back again

Mar 6, 2012 @ 11:22

amwell I had commented back in December about my husbands porn problem. Since then, we have gotten rid of the internet in the house, neither one of us has a smart phone or tablet or anyway of accessing internet. I threw away the 40+ DVDs that was collected before our marriage.

After, the last time i caught him I told him that one more incident and that was it, I couldn’t handle another lie, another fight. He refused therapy. And just last week, we were at his parents house while a pretty bad storm was going through. He had made a comment about downloading a movie for us to watch, which raised my concern. So, I checked his parents computer and surprise, surprise more porn.

What man gets so desperate that he downloads porn on his parents computer and then puts it on a thumbdrive to watch...wtf? So, I’ve kicked him out and I am contemplating divorce. This is just a really crappy situation because now this will leave me a single mother with 2 kids from 2 different men. Who could ever want to be with me again with all that baggage.

I never intended my husband and I to divorce and wanted more children with him. We have only been fighting about this for about 4 months, with about 5 different occurances and him saying he would stop. So, I guess my problem is how early is too early to give up? If he considers therapy, do I stay? I honestly don’t think I can. The trust is gone! My self esteem is ruined! Any suggestions?


75 posted on 03/22/2012 10:30:12 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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To: Linda Frances
What Bundy did was unexcusable and horrific. Justice was served through his execution. I think for probably the first time in his life he realized he was going to face God and was scared. He should be. Everyone wanted his interview and he did not give it 17 hours before his execution. He called Dr. Dobson to interview him. The media was ticked that Dr. Dobson got it and not them.

One explanation is that at the end he tried to make right with God. Another is that he was screwing around with people whom he was able to screw around with for his own entertainment. You believe one, I believe the other. Since he's now dead, it doesn't make much difference, but I remain suspicious of the “Bad pictures turned me evil” defense.
76 posted on 03/22/2012 10:34:13 AM PDT by Cheburashka (It's legal to be out at night in spacesuits, even carrying a rag dolly. Cops hauled us in anyway.)
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To: Linda Frances

The men of FR think America was founded on freedom to use porn. They refuse to think about what will/has happened to our culture.


77 posted on 03/22/2012 10:35:45 AM PDT by donna (Republicans won't change their ways until conservatives draw the line.)
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To: freebilly

Rick is not the one talking about this all the time. The media, romney and fox wants you to believe that is all he is talking about. That are the ones always talking about, because they want Rick to look bad and because they want romney to win. I don’t believe what the media says about Newt. I think he is a good guy and would be a good president, but I think we have to stop believing everything the media says about our candidates. We are not democrats who are so gulliable that they take the media says for fact. We look closer and for the truth.


78 posted on 03/22/2012 10:36:48 AM PDT by Linda Frances (Only God can change a heart, but we can pray for hearts to be changed)
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To: mountainbunny

I don’t disagree with your conclusion, but question your factual premise. This interview having beeen given less than a day before his execution, just when and how did Bundy “recant” it?


79 posted on 03/22/2012 10:36:48 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

And look at how young girls are dressing and acting now days - all learned at their father’s knee.

It isn’t a victimless crime. We can certainly see the resistance to the truth on this thread.


80 posted on 03/22/2012 10:43:19 AM PDT by donna (Republicans won't change their ways until conservatives draw the line.)
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To: donna

——It isn’t a victimless crime.——

That’s the central lie.

The anonymity of the internet now allows us to bypass this media-reinforced lie, and read the tales of family destruction written by the victims themselves.


81 posted on 03/22/2012 11:02:40 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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To: donna

I know.


82 posted on 03/22/2012 11:03:21 AM PDT by Linda Frances (Only God can change a heart, but we can pray for hearts to be changed)
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To: Cheburashka

Then why is TV full of ads?


83 posted on 03/22/2012 11:07:22 AM PDT by donna (Republicans won't change their ways until conservatives draw the line.)
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To: donna

You often see ads for “bad” porn on TV? I don’t, but I only have over OTA Broadcast TV. Perhaps cable TV is different.


84 posted on 03/22/2012 11:13:56 AM PDT by Cheburashka (It's legal to be out at night in spacesuits, even carrying a rag dolly. Cops hauled us in anyway.)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

Here is a site that might help you. It sounds like you have a good marriage outside of this problem. Don’t give up, he apparently is addiction and probably hates himself for not being able to stop, probably laughs about it and says it’s not a big deal, when he really is miserable. I’ll pray for you both. Something to think about, over 50% of men in this county have this problem. I think Hollywood has been slowly pushing us, including our kids, into this, always trying to go further and futher, not caring about the effects on people or children. They say turn off your tv...you can’t be with your kids 100% of the time. Ever see the move “Fireproof”? That is what part of the movie is about. It’s really good. Have tissues, it makes you cry.

http://www.focusonthefamily.com/marriage/divorce_and_infidelity/pornography_and_virtual_infidelity.aspx

and

http://www.focusonthefamily.com/marriage/divorce_and_infidelity/dealing_with_pornography.aspx


85 posted on 03/22/2012 11:44:11 AM PDT by Linda Frances (Only God can change a heart, but we can pray for hearts to be changed)
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To: mdmathis6

Post 66 -Great analysis. Wish I could write that well.


86 posted on 03/22/2012 11:51:44 AM PDT by Linda Frances (Only God can change a heart, but we can pray for hearts to be changed)
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To: Linda Frances
Your right. There is strong evidence that porn is harmful.

I think you misinterpreted what I wrote. I said there was a strong negative correlation between the availability of porn, and rape and murder.

These crimes have plunged since Ted Bundy's day. You need to explain how porn causes violent crime when its increasing availability is associated with a decrease in rape and murder.

http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm

87 posted on 03/22/2012 12:10:21 PM PDT by Ken H (Austerity is the irresistible force. Entitlements are the immovable object.)
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To: Ken H

I’m not talking legal porn, but illegal. The violent...kind. To be honest, I don’t know what all is in the illegal porn, and I don’t want to know. We all know that porn is a b$g business. I can’t help wonder who controls these numbers and why after 1990’s they suddenly change. I found this on FR

thttp://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2658135/postshread :

Dobson was one of the 11 liberal and conservative members of the U.S. Attorney General’s 1986 Commission on Pornography. They couldn’t agree on anything, said Dobson, except when it came to the link of violence in pornography and violence against women and children. The vote was 11 to 0; everyone saw it.

Bundy said, “I’ve lived in prison for a long time now, and I’ve known a lot of men motivated to commit violence just like me, and without exception, everyone of them was deeply involved in pornography.”

The FBI’s own study on serial homicides shows that the most common interest among serial killers is pornography. Of the 36 convicted serial murderers who had killed multiple numbers of people, 29 of them, or 81 percent, listed pornography as their predominant interest, to the level of compulsion.


88 posted on 03/22/2012 12:35:29 PM PDT by Linda Frances (Only God can change a heart, but we can pray for hearts to be changed)
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To: Cheburashka

All porn is bad. There is no good porn.

Ask yourself why you are pretending that I said porn is advertized on TV when you know what my point really was.


89 posted on 03/22/2012 12:37:22 PM PDT by donna (Republicans won't change their ways until conservatives draw the line.)
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To: Linda Frances
If any of that were true, there should have been a dramatic increase in rape and murder to go along with the dramatic increase in porn availability. You're left to explain why that didn't happen.
90 posted on 03/22/2012 12:49:30 PM PDT by Ken H (Austerity is the irresistible force. Entitlements are the immovable object.)
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To: Linda Frances

thank you for your courage. don’t let them get you down. the’re looking for a fight with a straw man of their own making. no one wants to ban all porn and no one could ban *all* porn even if they wanted to.

certainly porn on the internet needs to be policed. kids need to be protected. there are pedophiles, violence, slavery and prostitution going on. there is also a terrorism angle.

you and i know that without the moral foundation, conservatism must fail. porn in all it’s forms is right there, eating away the foundation of our republic. there is no other option at this point as 100 years of evil needs to be reversed. i think i know what rick is doing and it’s going to rile them all. it’s a campaign like Lincoln ran. he’s going to talk to the immoral elites exactly like you and i would. he’s going to answer their gottcha questions with blunt honesty. he is not going to “finesse” anything as all the fearful republicans would advise.

he’s going to give them a much needed dose of un-varnished conservatism (the kind our founders would have no problem with).

and he’s going to lock in our support as conservatives. he is going to lead the conservative movement and see if he can make the republican elite follow.

i agree with his strategy. it’s the only way he can beat romney.

God bless you and advance Liberty in every small way we can.
fight tyranny. God will decide the outcome.


91 posted on 03/22/2012 1:20:09 PM PDT by dadfly
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To: Ken H

uh speaking as an engineer. you would be wise to remember that their are “lies, damn lies and then there are statistics.”

it would be incredibly hard to create an unflawed statistical correlation of the phenomena you are conflating.


92 posted on 03/22/2012 1:28:30 PM PDT by dadfly
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To: Linda Frances
He wasn’t endorsing anything. He just told Dr. Dobson what illegal porn did to him.

Without reading Bundy's mind, we have no way of knowing if Bundy even believed what he told Dobson, let alone if it was the correct reason. Bundy told Dobson what Dobson wanted to hear. He was a smart, manipulative monster who spent the years between his capture and his death telling conflicting stories and blaming everything but himself for his crimes.
93 posted on 03/22/2012 1:33:32 PM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: KosmicKitty
Re: “.....stranger murders are extremely rare.....”

Yes, I agree.

My point was that in the era of Bundy, law enforcement often failed to connect multiple stranger murders to the same killer.

Today, every stranger murder of a woman, and every suspicious disappearance, is profiled immediately against similar crimes nationally.

And the local news media immediately alert the public to any “serial killer” evidence.

I really do believe that luck is the only way a modern serial killer can escape capture for more than a couple years.

94 posted on 03/22/2012 1:37:13 PM PDT by zeestephen
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To: donna
Ah, an proponent of the "Bad porn made me evil" school of thought.

Tell me, is Michelangelo's David porn? I mean, he's naked. Doesn't that make it porn? If not, why not?

95 posted on 03/22/2012 1:48:58 PM PDT by Cheburashka (It's legal to be out at night in spacesuits, even carrying a rag dolly. Cops hauled us in anyway.)
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To: dadfly
it would be incredibly hard to create an unflawed statistical correlation of the phenomena you are conflating.

Are you saying that there is not a negative correlation between increasing availability of porn and decreased murder and rape?

96 posted on 03/22/2012 2:12:34 PM PDT by Ken H (Austerity is the irresistible force. Entitlements are the immovable object.)
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To: Ken H
should read... Are you saying that there is not a strong correlation between increasing availability of porn and decreased murder and rape?
97 posted on 03/22/2012 2:19:55 PM PDT by Ken H (Austerity is the irresistible force. Entitlements are the immovable object.)
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To: Ken H

i’m saying that *any* correlation (negative or postive) would be suspect because of difficulty and out right bias that riddle the basic methodology and misuse of statistics in so called “social science.” if i were going to site such a study, i’d have to be confident of the integrity of the person conducting the study and the effort and skill made to stratify the sample.

so how did the study sample the use of porn amongst confirmed rapists and/or murderers? by interview.

did the study just take an average over the whole country for crime and invent some number for “availablity of porn?”

what i’m saying is that most of social science is junk science. the people undertaking such studies are looking to confirm their own apriori conclusions.


98 posted on 03/22/2012 2:26:53 PM PDT by dadfly
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

That was the point. In the past he denied everything, then tried to say it was poor family life, then he was crazy, using every excuse he could. This interview he did not blame anyone or thing. He made it a point to say no one or nothing was to blame but himself. He knew this was his last day full day on earth. If he wanted to manipulate someone, why not everyone & let the media interview him, he could manipulate more people. He contacted Dr. Dobson, so he did not want to get headlines. In the interview he finally admitted everything and said only he was to blame. He was issuing a warning about what could happen when kids/lpeople get into soft porn then, violent porn. He said he was obsessed with it and how it controlled him. He said he knew he had little time to live and wanted to be fruitful with what he had left. I think he did so much damage and destruction in his life, he wanted to do one thing right, tell the truth finally.


99 posted on 03/22/2012 2:32:26 PM PDT by Linda Frances (Only God can change a heart, but we can pray for hearts to be changed)
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To: Cheburashka

Do you think of sex when you see it?


100 posted on 03/22/2012 2:37:29 PM PDT by donna (Republicans won't change their ways until conservatives draw the line.)
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