Skip to comments.It's going to get interesting at FR if Romney is nominated, innit??
Posted on 03/23/2012 8:05:11 AM PDT by Notary Sojac
I've put some heavy wear and tear on my keyboard making the point here that it's OK to loathe Romney, but to underestimate him is the act of a fool.
Those of us who have been on the "no Romney, no how!!" bandwagon here for the last year have had the luxury of believing that someone else would be able to keep Romney from the nomination.
That now appears increasingly unlikely, as we all are forced to face the fact that Freepers (and those out there who think like Freepers) are not a decisive majority in the Republican electorate. Not even close.
There are millions of long-time Republicans who are voting for Romney because he's a dignified, executive-looking gentleman who speaks in soothing patriotic platitudes. You don't have to like this, but it's true. (And no, they are not being operated by mind control rays from Karl Rove!)
So where does this leave us? Frankly I dunno. I would hope that those who advocate holding noses and voting for Romney don't get banned from FR. At the same time, I think it's very unlikely that I will vote for him. (I voted third party in 2008 in preference to McQueeg).
“I expect Romney will get nominated. I will also not vote for him under ANY circumstances. It takes nothing but cowardice and lemming mentality to hold ones nose and vote for the enemy in our camp.”
Well, go ahead. Hold your breath and stamp your foot... and end up with everyone’s worst nightmare being re-elected.
I don’t like Romney, and I’ve grown to like him less and less as time goes by. I feel sick that I voted for someone I disliked even MORE last time around (McCain), and, to tell you the truth, I didn’t have any great love for GWB either.
But the prospect of ending up with Obama, unfettered, for ANOTHER four years of sheer hell is something we should ALL fight against. I, too, was as the point where I didn’t feel I could vote for Romney, no matter what. I’ve changed my mind. You have to put your emotions aside and do what’s best for the country - and wasting your vote on a write-in or not voting at all is tantamount to a vote for Obama.
Like Palin?? Then she must be portrayed as virtue and integrity incarnate. No mention of any flaws is ever to be permitted.
Dislike Romney? Then he must be portrayed as liberalism and corruption incarnate. No mention of any virtues must ever be permitted.
Dislike Gingrich? Then he must be portrayed as liberalism and corruption incarnate. No mention of any virtues must ever be permitted.
Whoops, time to pivot!!
Like Gingrich?? Then he must be portrayed as virtue and integrity incarnate. No mention of any flaws is ever to be permitted.
Hey, they're all politicians, people. All have flaws, some more than others. None are saints, none are demons.
Yes, you will -- for Obama. Hope you can live with that.
I’ve done all I could to affect the nomination: I voted for Santorum in the Primary.
He came in second.
I can do no more but hope and pray for the outcome of the convention, and then vote to defeat Obama in November.
I believe most Americans don’t want BHO - problem is they aren’t informed and swallow the propaganda and media hype that say Romney is the only one who can beat BHO. A tragedy, since Mittens is perhaps the weakest, will put up no fight (like McLame in ‘08) and is SO much like BHO - Obama-Lite.
Afraid most people are ignorant of reality and don’t look below the surface.
Stupid party did this to themselves.
Like I said, it's going to get interesting...............
The Establishment RINO's from now on are NEVER getting my vote.
>>>I admire people with principles, but in this case I cannot fathom how anyone could justify handing the presidency over to Satan/Obama for another four years - period.<<<
It is the traitors who voted for Bishop Willard in the primary who will be “handing the presidency over to Satan/Obama for another four years.”
Also, do you really think the presidence would not be in “Satan’s hands” with Romney as president?
I am not voting for Romney even if he is wins the primary.
I am a conservative, not a republican, I am not going to vote for a false choice.
Either I will vote for a third party or won’t vote at all.
If this means we get 4 more years of Obama, the Republicans made it happen....don’t blame the people.
In my eyes, we have a case of two Obama’s running for President.
Yep, Romneycare is pretty much right of center.
Only to those who put her on a pedestal.
I never did.
Palin doesn't owe me a damn thing.
Put down the bong. It is clear that Romneys core support among Republicans its at most 30%. 70% would rather have someone else. Romney is being crammed down the throats of Republicans, again.
Meh, I went from Perry to Newt myself. Sorry, but Perry demonstrated he was not up to the task of being a national general election candidate. Republicans gave him plenty of chances and Rick had gobs of cash too. Perry led in the polls big time for awhile. He simply does not have the communication skills for the job.
Perry was by far and away the best candidate on paper. But he was a paper tiger and fell apart under the spotlight. I wish it had been different. I was very enthusiastic about Perry when he entered the race, but it became clear pretty quickly that he just wasn't capable of being the nominee.
Liberals will vote for their candidate no matter what he says because they know the candidate is saying what he has to say to get elected. RINOS do the same thing. Therefore, the “etch-a-sketch” comment is just fine with Romney supporters.
Those “republicans” who vill vote for Romney would have voted for Ford if he was running. They like those “moderate” Rockefeller republicans.
See my post 52.
I had no idea until now how many people were running for POTUS.
There has to be at least ONE worth a damn to vote for!
Since McRomney is probably going to be nominated, he’ll need to win this without my vote (Probably will in AZ anyway). I don’t care who he picks for Veep, it’s lost on me.
I will be voting down-ballot. There are many things besides President going on in AZ.
That's really the best motivator to vote for Mitt in the general election. Even that won't be enough for a lot of people.
You see the big picture and hopefully your logic will be contagious. Some would rather cut their nose off to spite their face.
I agree completely, but I don’t think you go far enough. :)
Love your tagline by the way. Don’t have a grandson with a dog collar would work too. :)
One of the candidates running for the nomination of the Constitution Party is Virgil Goode, the great, outspoken former Congressman from VA's 5th District.
Virgil is a strong conservative, who sometimes took flak for his comments about muslims (makes me a fan right there!).
Here's Virgil's policy background:
The Constitution Party's website is:
I live in VA and will be doing the same.
Romney is a blank slate. A shape-shifter. He’ll do or say whatever is expedient at the moment. The Etch-A-Sketch comment was clever and true. If elected, the best we can hope for is that the people pulling his pathetic strings are the good guys. Probably won’t happen, though. He’ll surround himself with the Bushes, John McCain, etc. They endorsed him and will be the recipients of paybacks, and they’ll be the puppet masters. (I wonder what he has promised Ann Coulter.)
“It wont be interesting at all. Just look at this thread from last night and see how many FReepers are comfortable with Romney as the nominee ALREADY.The Primary isnt even close to over and the Convention is 6 months away and people have totally sold out. Very sad.”
Yours’ is one of the few posts that directly answers the question posed in the title of this thread.
But, you may be wrong about the ABO faction being strong enough to make things dull at FR should the party go the way Jeb and Fox are pushing it (drop out, coalesce, end the debate, have pep-rally instead of a real convention). There are so many issues and unknowns that have been simmering for months on the back burner that are about to boil over in the next 6 months - I just can’t see 2012 NOT being like 1968. JMHO.
>You see the big picture and hopefully your logic will be contagious. Some would rather cut their nose off to spite their face.
Indeed. I’m no Romney fan, but let’s be honest here, the alternative (assuming it does come down to Romney vs. Obama) is so much worse as to be night and day.
The consequences of letting Obama back in are far too great.
I didn’t give up on Rick because, as you say, he was the most principled conservative of the bunch, who also had more than a decade’s worth of experience of actually running something. I didn’t doubt that he would hit the ground running the day after the election (if he won). The early debates made me sick, but then, as it was revealed he’d had back surgery and was on pain meds, the reason for his performance became clear. As he healed, he improved steadily, and by the last couple of debates, he was wonderful. But it was too late....and that was just so frustrating.
I’m with Newt now, and I believe he is our best hope. But it seems people are just too stupid to do basic research about their candidate.
It was his own, ‘top’, advisor who said the ‘etch-a-sketch’ thing too. You believe that. It’s not even an ‘open secret’.
We are literally reliving ‘McCain v Obama’ again. It’s amazing.
NoBama, No Way!
For my part, I can't stand the man but I'm a lot more disgusted with the process that has served him up.
The republican party telegraphed Romney as next guy in line during the 2008 primary.
The republican party utterly failed to take a lesson from McPain's embarrassing failure - they pinned it on Sara Palin and assumed that gave them license for more business as usual.
The republican party did just what they'd forecast and jammed Romney up conservatives throats.
They're going down in flames again, but not before anointing Jeb Bush for 2016 (if we get that far).
I plead guilty. I did put her up on a pedestal.
My mistake. Not hers.
I will still vote for the rep nominee but I am in commiefornica and my vote doesn’t count. The commiefornica republican party calls me all the time looking for money and all I do is laugh. Good luck to you all in the swing states and please vote for the rep nominee so we can get a few of them to help win the presidency. Romney is 100 times better than zero I think? LOL
You voters in the swing states please help us all out. Don’t throw your votes away. Good luck.
The Problem as I see it with Romney is that he will be such a mediocre President that even if he does win he will be so middle of the road as to not upset the apple cart that the economy will not bloom and then in 4 years it will assure that the democrats take back power on the whole meme that the economy didnt recover.
Not to mention any GOP president is going to be so damned hated no matter how moderate they are. Mittens will get so damned gun shy that he will be ineffective and the MSM and the Democrat controlled media will smell blood and keep attacking him even as he retreats and this will paralyze him to what needs to be done to restore the economy and defuse all of Obamas horrible regulatory actions.
Newt is going to be hated like hell anyways and HE KNOWS THAT, but he also knows that he will have the people who put him there behind even if the Media doesnt paint it that way every night at 5:00pm.
So therefore, Newt (who thrives on antagonism instead of flinching from it) will take the bold measures to recover the economy despite being thrashed every night on the MSM news channels. In Four years the MSM will be flabbergasted like their were on election night in 1984, because the man on the street will notice the economy improvement.
Mitt is a Flincher, Newt is a Clincher
Definition of a Clincher:
a decisive fact, argument, act, or remark
Definition of a Flincher:
to withdraw or shrink from or as if from pain
We are so SOL if Either Mittens gets in or Barry gets a second term.
Mittens would only slow things down and then in four years the GOP would be blamed so much but with little to show we would still be in an economic malaise the likes of Carters worst dreams. This would GUARANTEE a Democrat Victory over the house the senate and even the presidency in 2016. They would not be pulling any punches as they would run someone that would make Obama look like a middle of the road moderate. Because they know they would have a very good chance of winning. Not to mention the class warfare game that could be played to Bolshevik conclusion during that election if we get Romney and mediocre performance out of him which is very much likely.
Of course Obama winning would be a very much nothing to lose second term that would see him likely either completely destroying the economy so badly that they play the game of Destroy and Support in that they would destroy the economy and then support the people as the great savior thus ensuring either Glorious Revolution or the mass construction project of making millions more so dependent that they will have a permanent grip on power that would only come undone with Blood sweat and tears, but mostly Blood and Tears.
ABO and ABR, because we really need Newt or maybe Santorum if we get desperate, heck I would even take, heaven forbid (I cant believe I am saying this), Ron Paul over Romney for the reasons above.
So I repeat once more: Newt is the Clincher, and Mitt is the Flincher.
No I won’t be voting for Obama.
So you do not understand that there is NO ideological difference between Romney & Obama? None!!! Don’t play that BS with me that by not voting I’m enabling Obama. Wake up....a vote for Romney or Obana is a vote for the progressive agenda.
Hope you can live with that.
In 1993, Republicans twice introduced health care bills that contained an individual health insurance mandate. Advocates for those bills included prominent Republicans who today oppose the mandate including Orrin Hatch (R-UT), Charles Grassley (R-IA), Robert Bennett (R-UT), and Christopher Bond (R-MO).
>>>Dislike Romney? Then he must be portrayed as liberalism and corruption incarnate. No mention of any virtues must ever be permitted.<<<
Okay, Romney has nice hair. Other than that he has no virtues whatsoever to a conservative, none.
Thanks a heap, Sarah. For nothing.
Sarah Palin owes you or anybody else here nothing. In fact, Republicans and some conservatives let her down. None the less, she did an excellent job of promoting and defending Conservative policy and issues while letting us pick the strongest conservative candidate. Again, any failure is on Republicans' part NOT Sarah's.
You outta be apologizing to her, you're the one that doesn't measure up.
See my post #82. I said “My Mistake. Not hers.”
I’m going to wait and see who Romney picks as his running mate, should he get the nomination. I’ll take that as a reasonable indication of how he’d pick the 2 or 3 SCOTUS appointments whoever wins in 2012 will probably get.
Beyond that, his running mate should be seen as pointing to the future direction of the GOP, since that person will be the defacto standard bearer if the ticket loses, or the natural successor if it wins.
I do not believe that Romney will repeal ObamaCare, and that is essential for a candidate to get my vote.
I do not believe that Romney will cut federal spending significantly, and that is essential for a candidate to get my vote.
I do not believe that Romney will protect the Second Amendment, and that is essential for a candidate to get my vote.
I do not believe that Romney will protect the First Amendment guarantee of freedom of religion, and that is essential for a candidate to get my vote.
I do not believe that Romney will prevent the federal government from paying for abortions and from requiring others to provide abortions even if they have a religious objection, and that is essential for a candidate to get my vote.
I do not believe that Romney will govern in a manner significantly different from how Obama would govern, given the same Congress, and that is essential for a candidate to get my vote.
The real difference is with our military, where Romney at least doesn't seem to have that visceral hatred for our military. Unfortunately, I do not believe that Romney is either interested in our military or competent to serve as Commander-in-Chief (i.e., he's too much like Obama there too), and that is very nearly essential for a candidate to get my vote.
The party leadership knows that many of us feel that way. If they insist on Romney and on surrendering to ObamaCare and liberalism, I'm done with them. I will vote as conservative as possible in all the down ticket races, but Romney will need to win without my vote. I'll be voting Palin/Cain, Perry/Palin, or Santorum/Bachmann as write ins. I know that I don't sound very flexible here, but the political absolutes - fundamental God-given rights that are completely non-negotiable - have suddenly become political issues where our party's leadership wants to compromise. They can compromise on their own, but it will be without my support - permanently.
Perry should have stayed out of the debates until his back healed and he got off the medication... and said FU to any critics of that decision.
He’d still be in the race right now.
But the bottom line is, as a group we conservatives are easily led, in some ways much more easily led than is the left.
The left would never have been pinballed from one candidate to another the way we have been.
They are actually more principled than we are. (The problem is, their principles are all evil.)
i will not vote for the white version of fubo... NEVER
the bushes 3 terms did enough damage to this country, i will not vote for the bushes 4th term (santorum).... NEVER
I will not put my name with those that seek to destroy what I love....period
Going to be even more interesting when Palin endorses Romney...
Since the dawn of history.
So What? The qualifications for the nom are prominent Republican flip flopper?
I like your analogy.
Meanwhile, those who would vote for Romney wind up selling their conservative soul.
Tis many "joe the republicans" among us. Who is "Joe the Republican?" ...perhaps, some of you FREEPERS can see "Satan" appearing to "Joe the Republican" here: 'What good would it do to forfeit your convictions & not gain your political world?' [Vanity]
Let us know if you see yourselves in that character!
Umm, you don't have to sell me on Newt. I have supported him since it became clear that Perry didn't have what it takes to be the nominee. The problem is, not enough other GOP primary voters agree with us. At this point one has to admit that the odds Newt wins the nomination are.........miniscule.
I mentioned an observation to someone else on FR recently. I play Newt's speeches for friends and coworkers and most just don't react very positively. The conservatives that really grasp this stuff and are very involved in the debates and arguments tend to get it and like him, but most don't have that kind of deep understanding and end up just commenting to me that Gingrich sounds to strident or angry. /shrug. It just seems to me that Newt is not coming off as likeable enough to be competitive.
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