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Carl Rowan shot a teenager, Racist, or just stupid? Virtually identical to Trayvon shooting
3/24/2012 | me

Posted on 03/24/2012 3:44:21 AM PDT by Bulwinkle

no one seems to be using this comparision


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1 posted on 03/24/2012 3:44:35 AM PDT by Bulwinkle
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To: Bulwinkle

Which one is that?


2 posted on 03/24/2012 3:49:10 AM PDT by Safetgiver (I'd rather die under a free American sky than live under a Socialist regime.)
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To: Bulwinkle

These two cases are in no way the same..below is a synopsis of the Rowan case.

Rowan gained public notoriety on June 14, 1988, when he shot a teenage trespasser, Neil Smith, who was on his property illegally. He was charged for firing a gun that he did not legally own. Rowan was arrested and tried. During the trial, he argued that he had the right to use whatever means necessary to protect himself and his family. Critics charged hypocrisy, since Rowan was a strict gun control advocate. In a 1981 column, he advocated “a law that says anyone found in possession of a handgun except a legitimate officer of the law goes to jail—period.” In 1985, he called for “A complete and universal federal ban on the sale, manufacture, importation and possession of handguns (except for authorized police and military personnel).” [4][5]


3 posted on 03/24/2012 4:00:14 AM PDT by Recon Dad (Gas & Petroleum Junkie)
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To: Recon Dad

Rowan’s a liberal, “down fr the struggle.” ‘nuff said.


4 posted on 03/24/2012 4:29:57 AM PDT by Daveinyork
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To: Recon Dad

... it was a group teenagers pool hopping in Rowan’s back yard... Rowan thought one of them was approaching him and shot him. The Trayvon shooting is very similar... Zimmerman said Trayvon attacked him then shot him.


5 posted on 03/24/2012 4:34:22 AM PDT by Bulwinkle (Alec, a.k.a. Daffy Duck)
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To: Bulwinkle

The thing is Bulwinkle, we need a race riot right now in 2012, not in 1988.

And when you don’t have a race riot when you need a race riot, what do you do? You manufacture a race riot.

Gonna be an interesting summer I expect :(


6 posted on 03/24/2012 4:38:13 AM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: Bulwinkle

How come we don’t hear about the BLACK kids who poured gasoline on a WHITE kid and lit him up?


7 posted on 03/24/2012 4:44:21 AM PDT by Renegade
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To: Bulwinkle

Thus creating the saying “A conservative is a liberal who has been mugged”.


8 posted on 03/24/2012 4:46:17 AM PDT by Past Your Eyes (Suffering fools is hard work and there's no end to it.)
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To: Bulwinkle
... it was a group teenagers pool hopping in Rowan’s back yard... Rowan thought one of them was approaching him and shot him. The Trayvon shooting is very similar... Zimmerman said Trayvon attacked him then shot him.

The only similarity is that both Rowan and Zimmerman shot an unarmed teenager. Rowan was on his own private property when he pulled the trigger; Zimmerman was on public property whan he killed the kid. Rowan's victim was actually commiting a crime; Zimmerman's victim medrely "looked suspiscious." Rowan did not chase his victim to initiate a confrontation after the police told him to back down; Zimmerman apparently pursued Trayvon AFTER THE POLICE TOLD ZIMMERMAN TO BACK DOWN as Trayvon was running away from Zimmerman towards the rear exit to the the neighborhood.

9 posted on 03/24/2012 4:46:48 AM PDT by Labyrinthos
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To: Bulwinkle

There is no use trying to make Zimmerman look in any way noble. From everything I have read he is a hot head, cop wannabe who provoked this episode.Evidently the kid got involved in physical fight with Zimmerman and got shot. I believe it should have been investigated properly. What the real issue in this case is, is that all the race baiters have come out of mothballs looking to make headlines. That is what is disgusting. They led the public to believe that Zimmerman was white and that this was a white on black crime. Every person of color is moaning that whites are looking to kill black males. The fact that zimmerman is hispanic and visibly so has made no difference. It remains a “white” crime.


10 posted on 03/24/2012 5:12:55 AM PDT by sueuprising (The best of it is, God is with us-John Wesley)
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To: Bulwinkle
He didn't shoot Saint Trayvon the Martyr...
11 posted on 03/24/2012 5:13:08 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: sueuprising
You have to remember we are only hearing one side of the story. That part that plays into the theme of white racism. The real story may be much different as is often the case.

As to the two black teenagers who set a 13 year old white boy on fire for no reason other than racism I did not hear Obama say if I had two sons they would have looked like that.

He is trying to set off nation wide race riots for obvious reasons.

12 posted on 03/24/2012 5:26:28 AM PDT by AHWilde
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To: Labyrinthos
Zimmerman's victim medrely "looked suspicious."

Zimmerman's perp was beating the sh** out of him when he got shot. The other guy shot someone simply for being on his property. You're right there is a difference, the 1988 liberal is guilty of murder Zimmerman isn't.

BTW, assaulting someone simply because you don't like them following you is a crime and at the time he was assaulted by the kid Zimmerman was no longer following him, but on his way back to his truck. An eyewitness saw the whole thing and the kid started the fight and was assaulting Zimmerman. Try keeping up with the facts.

13 posted on 03/24/2012 5:29:54 AM PDT by calex59
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To: Bulwinkle

The difference was Carl was arrested and tried.

THAT is what is pissing everyone off. They let this guy go with his weapon. I know in most places the gun would have been taken as evidence until the end of the investigation.

These yahoos screwed up big time—but it appears they are doing it correctly now. But the mobs don’t care.


14 posted on 03/24/2012 5:44:18 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (I just don't like anything about the President. And I don't think he's a nice guy.)
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To: calex59
"Facts" have no bearing on whether the White House Racist wants to provoke a race riot.

Lord Obama wants a bloody shirt to wave.

15 posted on 03/24/2012 5:44:30 AM PDT by jonascord (Ask any Democrat. He's firmly convinced that he's brighter than you.)
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To: calex59

Zimmerman was acting like a fool.

Had he done as he was told, the kid would be alive and he would confine driving around the neighborhood thinking he was the protector of the world.

The fact that he was following this guy and not backing off as told, could have been perceived as intimidating to Travis. It could be perceived that HE was acting in self defense.

Zimmerman gets no pass in this thing. I hate how this is blowing up. But it is his fault.


16 posted on 03/24/2012 5:58:59 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (I just don't like anything about the President. And I don't think he's a nice guy.)
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To: Labyrinthos
chase his victim to initiate a confrontation after the police told him to back down

The police did not tell him to "back down".
They told him that they did not need him to follow the suspicious individual.
I can't for the life of me think of any situation in which the police
would advise a concerned citizen to follow a suspicious individual, can you?
Even though the concerned citizen keeping the suspicious person in view would help the police locate him
they would leave themselves liable if, as it appears May have happened here,
the suspicious person was to attack the concerned citizen.
In other words it is the standard response to a concerned citizen.
Some say they detect a change in Z's breathing after receiving the police suggestion
indicating that he had stopped following M.
I haven't reviewed that part and can't give an opinion.

There is no evidence that Z chased down M to initiated a confrontation. None.
There is evidence that M approached Z and asked why Z was following him.
Z's response was to ask what M was doing in the area.
At that point the sounds of a scuffle were heard.
(Z's recorded call and M's gf's report of her call with M)

We can speculate who initiated the confrontation.

Was it the wannabe cop, the neighborhood Nazi, Zimmerman.

Was it the concerned citizen Zimmerman assuming some responsibility for neighbor safety.
Zimmerman, who had initiated many others calls to police regarding suspicious behavior
and who in one of his previous calls is heard saying he doesn't want to approach a suspicious individual?

Was was it the innocent 'young boy' who appears to be no more than 13
and no threat whatsoever to a hulking Zimmerman,
only out for skittles and on his was back to his Dad's?

Or was it the 6ft football player with a ghetto attitude who took offense to the 'white' Zimmerman disrespecting him by asking him why he was there?

...end speculation

What we do know from an eyewitness is that M is seen on top of Z and is beating on him.
We know from eye and ear witnesses and from 911 calls that Z is screaming for help.

We know that after a police investigation no charges where filed on Z.

17 posted on 03/24/2012 6:14:39 AM PDT by kanawa
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To: Labyrinthos

Rowan still should have been convicted. Even if Zimmerman went further out of his way to get into trouble. So where does that leave Zimmerman?


18 posted on 03/24/2012 6:19:36 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (This world is a comedy to those that think, a tragedy to those that feel - Horace Walpole)
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To: Vermont Lt

Carl was arrested on a gun charge. Not the shooting. No gun charge for Zimmerman. Differant states differant laws.


19 posted on 03/24/2012 6:46:20 AM PDT by riverrunner
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To: Bulwinkle; All
That would be Carl T. Rowan to you, racist lackey.

Seriously, that's a great one. For those who don't recall, and assuming I can recall correctly, Carl was a famous (to himself anyway) media figure in Chicago; a writer for the Trib, I think. Anyway, he was a huge anti-2A voice always raving about ‘Saturday night specials’ and the usual malarkey. So, one dark night, a youth jumps the fence in Carl's swanky backyard and takes a swim in his private pool. Carl comes out and pops the kid with an unregistered (aka: illegal) handgun. Now, here's the best part: in the ensuing furor as the media sought to ignore and minimize the sh*t all over their faces, Carl holds a press conference and stridently declares (something to this effect): ‘While my political enemies crow, let it be known that as long as our streets are awash in guns I will protect my family!’ This was declared in his best MLK rolling gate cadence. That was truly priceless and should be broadcast from NY to LA hourly for the next 30 days.

20 posted on 03/24/2012 6:54:30 AM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (I'm for Churchill in 1940!)
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To: sueuprising

“From everything I have read he is a hot head, cop wannabe who provoked this episode”.
What makes you think you’ve read everything? You’ve read what has been put out there, by those who control the flow of info, so that you would arrive at that exact conclusion. Looks like it’s working.


21 posted on 03/24/2012 7:09:58 AM PDT by weeder
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To: Labyrinthos

Please note the crime in the Rowan case was trespass. Rowan was also committing a crime. The facts, which are irrelevant, to most, will come out.


22 posted on 03/24/2012 7:33:20 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Labyrinthos

You live a rich fantasy life.

Grow up.


23 posted on 03/24/2012 7:43:36 AM PDT by Eldon Tyrell
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To: Labyrinthos
Wow according to the 911 police tape Martin had given up pursuit of St Trayvee when the little 6'2" man/boy football player ambush tackled and assaulted him.

That is FACT.

24 posted on 03/24/2012 7:47:11 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Mohammedan law every woman must belong to a man will delay the end of slavery until Islam has ceased)
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To: Renegade
How come we don’t hear about the BLACK kids who poured gasoline on a WHITE kid and lit him up?

"They" are already saying that this story is a fabrication by a white kid who stupidly but accidentally set himself on fire.

25 posted on 03/24/2012 7:56:58 AM PDT by JimRed (Excising a cancer before it kills us waters the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: Labyrinthos
Rowan's victim was actually commiting a crime; Zimmerman's victim medrely "looked suspiscious."

Zimmerman's "victim" was commiting the crime of assault and battery. Had he not been shot it could have escalated to maiming or manslaughter.

26 posted on 03/24/2012 8:00:20 AM PDT by JimRed (Excising a cancer before it kills us waters the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: Labyrinthos
Zimmerman's victim medrely "looked suspiscious." Rowan did not chase his victim to initiate a confrontation after the police told him to back down; Zimmerman apparently pursued Trayvon AFTER THE POLICE TOLD ZIMMERMAN TO BACK DOWN as Trayvon was running away from Zimmerman towards the rear exit to the the neighborhood.

An eyewitness reported that Trayvon was on top of Zimmerman and punching him in the face. The background noise on the eyewitness' 911 call to the police support this claim.

I suppose you'd rather believe everything Sharpton, Jackson, The New Black Pampers and the eneMedia claim.

27 posted on 03/24/2012 8:04:55 AM PDT by Grizzled Bear (No More RINOS!)
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To: weeder

I have not read everything,but from everything i HAVE read, it seemed that Zimmerman had a history of being hot headed. The point is that the media latched onto this story because they assumed it was a white on black killing. Since Zimmerman is obviously not your average looking “white guy” and indeed is hispanic, they are concentrating on the black males are target stories. What is just horrible is that the President of the U.S. actually made a public speech about this case. I can only hope they all walk away with egg on their face.


28 posted on 03/24/2012 8:28:17 AM PDT by sueuprising (The best of it is, God is with us-John Wesley)
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To: Vermont Lt

You are spreading misinformation, please stop. The weapon was secured into evidence, read the report.

I really expect more from Freepers. You should know better than to take press reports as accurate, they are notoriously wrong.


29 posted on 03/24/2012 8:33:15 AM PDT by Marie Antoinette (Newt Gingrich 2012 - The Man With a Plan)
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To: WorkingClassFilth

Carl Rowan, IIRC, was a longtime Washington Post columnist. He may have been carried in one of the Chicago fishwrappers, but he didn’t live in town.


30 posted on 03/24/2012 10:51:59 AM PDT by M1903A1 ("We shed all that is good and virtuous for that which is shoddy and sleazy... and call it progress")
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To: sueuprising

I couldn’t agree more. Regards.


31 posted on 03/24/2012 12:22:55 PM PDT by weeder
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To: Recon Dad

And Rowan’s son was an FBI agent at the time and he had given his father the “illegal” firearm, which he used to defend his life and property.


32 posted on 03/24/2012 12:25:54 PM PDT by rabidralph
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To: Bulwinkle

I remember that incident and Rowan was a big anti 2nd amendment guy. Except he didn’t mean it for himself, just other people....


33 posted on 03/24/2012 4:26:21 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: M1903A1

You are correct, Sir. He did live in DC and, for some reason, I thought he lived in a burb of Chicago. He wrote a syndicated column for the Sun-Times and that maybe where that idea came from. One caution: don’t read the Wikipedia entry for him - you’ll hurl yer innards clear across the barnyard.

P.S. Wiki says he was one of the most “highly decorated” journalists. I recently heard an ad talking about somebody as being “highly decorated’, too. Do you suppose people are just getting lazy and stupid about the meaning of decorations, or do you suspect some darker purpose like stolen valor?


34 posted on 03/24/2012 6:36:26 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (I'm for Churchill in 1940!)
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To: Marie Antoinette

I did read the report. On the one I read there was no mention of securing the weapon. In several interviews with town officials, specifically asked about the gun, indicated Zimmerman had it. I guess they are all part of the dis-information conspiracy.

This guy was a dope. No need for a lynch mob— but he is a dope.


35 posted on 03/25/2012 6:16:19 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (I just don't like anything about the President. And I don't think he's a nice guy.)
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To: Marie Antoinette

I did read the report. On the one I read there was no mention of securing the weapon. In several interviews with town officials, specifically asked about the gun, indicated Zimmerman had it. I guess they are all part of the dis-information conspiracy.

This guy was a dope. No need for a lynch mob— but he is a dope.


36 posted on 03/25/2012 6:17:55 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (I just don't like anything about the President. And I don't think he's a nice guy.)
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