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Joe Horn and George Zimmerman

Posted on 03/24/2012 7:19:53 AM PDT by Tahoe3002

Use the FR search engine for Joe Horn. This Houston incident, in 2008, shows strong similarities to the current imbroglio in Florida.

Many community rabble pimps, Sheila J. Lee, et al, called for Mr. Horn's head. The Grand Jury refused to indict Mr. Horn for shooting two black, illegal alien burglars. The burglars broke into a neighbors home, during the day. Horn confronted them and killed both when they made aggressive moves toward him, one even had shotgun wounds in his back.


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; History; Local News
KEYWORDS: florida; georgezimmerman; joehorn; trayvonmartin

1 posted on 03/24/2012 7:19:57 AM PDT by Tahoe3002
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To: Tahoe3002

The problem here is that according to the 911 audio I’ve heard, the kid was walking away and Zimmerman was following him. The 911 operator told him not to pursue but he ignored her, confronted the kid and shot him. That is not the purpose of the ‘stand your ground’ law


2 posted on 03/24/2012 7:26:03 AM PDT by slumber1 (Don't taze me bro!)
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To: Tahoe3002

Well, Joe Horn was unequivocally a hero. He was witnessing an all-out CRIME going on at his neighbor’s house, and took action. I have total admiration for him.

Zimmerman? No actual crime being witnessed? Eh, I can’t quite equate the two incidents.


3 posted on 03/24/2012 7:27:12 AM PDT by greene66
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To: Tahoe3002

If I remember correctly, turned out that the guys weren’t black. They were hispanic, I think Columbian. And after that fact came out and his subsequent ‘no-bill’ from the Grand Jury, the whole thing was forgotten about.

However, if anyone wants entertainment, go this link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2eid45k-Vk

Watch what happens when Quannell X and his friends try to have a press conference in front of Joe Horn’s house.


4 posted on 03/24/2012 7:28:36 AM PDT by qaz123
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To: Tahoe3002

I remeber that case...and it was decided appropriately no matter what color those involved were.

The same may prove here. No one is dicussing the possibility that the one calling for help in the tape may have been Zimmermans.

He testifies that he was attacked after he gabve up the chase and was headed back. His attorney says his nose was broken in the fight with this teenager. And I believe, despite his 17 year old young appearance, that this kid was a fairly good sized kid...like over 6 ft and weighnig a couple of hundred pounds...but that to this point is just hearsay. We have to let the fact come in and see what a grand jury does.

It’s being unbelievably politicized and you have the Nation of Islam and the Black Panthers calling for violence, for vengence, and even putting out a wanted dead or alive poster on Zimmerman.


5 posted on 03/24/2012 7:29:02 AM PDT by Jeff Head (quivalent of our AEGIS and they already have six of them. They need to build 16 f those. Their Ast)
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To: slumber1

“Trayvon said, ‘What, are you following me for?’ and the man said, ‘What are you doing here?’ Next thing I hear is somebody pushing, and somebody pushed Trayvon because the head set just fell. I called him again and he didn’t answer the phone.”

I think it there’s a bit more to it than: he pursued the kid confronted the kid and shot him.


6 posted on 03/24/2012 7:30:41 AM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: greene66
The point I am trying to make is that the media, local and national race pimps, et al, ALL convicted Horn in the ‘court of public opinion’. However, the police did NOT arrest Horn, IIRC, and the Grand Jury did not indict him.

AFTER all the facts were out, Horn was a free man.

Yes, the illegal aliens were from burglars Columbia, but they were very BLACK skinned and the local black rabble rousers (Quannel X) were taking them in a ‘black brothers’ killed by a racist white man.

7 posted on 03/24/2012 7:39:00 AM PDT by Tahoe3002
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To: Tahoe3002

These cases are not at all similar.


8 posted on 03/24/2012 7:40:28 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: slumber1

The 911 operator told him not to pursue but he ignored her, confronted the kid and shot him.

Your version sure makes it sound like cold blooded murder. That isn’t what happened though. You’re as bad as Al Sharpton spreading untruths


9 posted on 03/24/2012 7:43:58 AM PDT by Figment
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To: greene66

The point I am trying to make is that the media and race pimps all convicted Joe Horn in the ‘court of public opinion’. Much like they are doing here.

However, the police did not arrest Horn, at the time of the incident, IIRC, and the Grand Jury certainly did not indict Mr. Horn.

Yes, the illegal aliens were burglars from Colombia, but they were both BLACK skinned so that the local race pimp, Quannel X, came to side with them.


10 posted on 03/24/2012 7:44:21 AM PDT by Tahoe3002
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To: Tahoe3002

What?
What strong similarities?
So far I haven’t heard that Martin was committing burglary or had gone into anyone’s property?

Just stop with this.
The facts will come out.
As of right now the facts do not support any such comparison.


11 posted on 03/24/2012 7:45:32 AM PDT by Lorianne (fedgov, taxporkmoney)
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To: Tahoe3002

Yes, I remember that one. I don’t see the similarities though. What do you see them as being?


12 posted on 03/24/2012 7:46:21 AM PDT by SuzyQue
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To: greene66

No actual crime being witnessed?

According to the police report, he was an eyewitness to assault. Up close and personal, and he stopped it. Looks like a clean kill


13 posted on 03/24/2012 7:46:26 AM PDT by Figment
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To: smokingfrog

BS, Maybe not in the events that took place in each case.

They are similar in the media and race pimps creating a ruckus and demanding “justice” because the dead guys are black.

Subsequent evidence found Horn was legally within his rights. We simply do not know how this will turn out with Zimmerman/Martin.


14 posted on 03/24/2012 7:49:46 AM PDT by Tahoe3002
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To: Irenic

and somebody pushed Trayvon because the head set just fell

Or, just possibly, Treyvon was the one doing the pushing? Kinda hard to tell over the phone


15 posted on 03/24/2012 7:50:23 AM PDT by Figment
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To: Tahoe3002

Joe Horn’s neighbors stood up for him and did not let the race baiters get away with it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2eid45k-Vk


16 posted on 03/24/2012 7:56:03 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Figment

Oh, I agree. I have no proof bu I suspect it was Trayvon who started pushing/fighting. Trayvon was the first to confront and didn’t answer the question asked of him.

I don’t think Zimmerman would have started the pushing/fighting because he knew full well the police were on the way. It would have been stupid for him to fight.

If it was wrong for Zimmerman to be suspicious and follow, it was wrong for Trayvon to be suspicious of Zimmerman following and confront him.

If one must ignore, so must the other. If Trayvon was where he belonged, so was Zimmerman. Trayvon could walk the whole complex and Zimmerman could follow him the whole way.


17 posted on 03/24/2012 7:56:26 AM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: Irenic

I’ll add that if Trayvon was worried about Zimmerman following, he could have called 911, he had a phone.


18 posted on 03/24/2012 8:04:30 AM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: slumber1

Wow. Which MSM outlet do you work for? Given the events, that’s typical of the slant and lack of full information we see from them.


19 posted on 03/24/2012 8:12:45 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: slumber1

Actually, no.

He said “ OK”, after being told not to follow.

The tape ends there. We don’t know if he followed or not. At some point, he says the kid is approaching him.

Need more info to draw conclusions.


20 posted on 03/24/2012 8:17:03 AM PDT by moonhawk (Rush, Mark, Sean: Conservative talkers. Sarah, Newt: Conservative DOers. Mitt: Conservative faker)
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To: slumber1

:: The 911 operator told him not to pursue but he ignored her, confronted the kid and shot him. ::

I think we need to wait on some more information regarding this piece of the puzzle.

It is just as easy to conjecture that Martin hid in a doorway as Zimmerman walked past in the walkway (recall, Z. said he didn’t know where M was...).

Z. could have been following the dispatcher’s recommendation and, upon turning back to return to his vehicle, M could have come out of the shadows and confronted Z.

: That is not the purpose of the ‘stand your ground’ law :

Not under your conjecture. ‘Stand Your Ground’ would be applicable if the scuffle went down as described.


21 posted on 03/24/2012 8:23:12 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alterations - The acronym explains the science.)
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To: Tahoe3002

What if Trayvon Had Been White, and the Shooter Black?

Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/03/what_if_trayvon_had_been_white_and_the_shooter_black.html#ixzz1q31wIN2n


22 posted on 03/24/2012 8:23:21 AM PDT by Hotlanta Mike (TeaNami)
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To: moonhawk

Actually the tape doesn’t end there, just the media’s version. Long version includes him stating he doesn’t know where he went and seems to be returning to his truck to wait for police.


23 posted on 03/24/2012 8:35:40 AM PDT by cport (How can political capital be spent on a bunch of ingrates)
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To: slumber1
The second 911 that has the shot on it was called in by a neighbor that was a witness..the witness states MARTIN was on top of ZIMMERMAN beating him...on that second 911 tape you hear someone (ZIMMERMAN per police and witness) yelling for help ...then you hear the shot
24 posted on 03/24/2012 9:26:55 AM PDT by tophat9000 (American is Barack Oaken)
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To: Tahoe3002

True. I’ll buy that part of the analogy. I was just making the distinction that the Joe Horn situation was tremendously more clear-cut. I do indeed regard Horn an all-out hero, whom I admire for his actions. Zimmerman? A lot of variables need to be hashed out. But even in best of circumstances, I don’t think he’s comparable to the 100% heroic actions of Joe Horn, and that’s where I felt a bit uncomfortable with the analogy.


25 posted on 03/24/2012 9:28:34 AM PDT by greene66
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To: Lorianne

BS to U too, Lorainne.

Reread my post. I am talking about the race baiters, media and much of the public making an issue without out the FACTS being known to all.

And if ‘provoking speech or gestures’ typically resulted in fights or shootings the population of the USA would be significantly reduced.


26 posted on 03/24/2012 9:32:05 AM PDT by Tahoe3002
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To: qaz123; Travis McGee

that little fella at 6:16

i want him at my house next time I have need of help

he’s pretty intimidating


27 posted on 03/24/2012 9:35:52 AM PDT by wardaddy (I am a social conservative. My political party left me(again). They can go to hell in a bucket.)
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To: greene66

Greene66, we are in agreement. I just don’t like the media. They are wrong on so much, so often and are seldom held accountable.

You and I could recite many instances where the media and the race pimps made a bad situation worse.

I am not defending Zimmerman or his actions beyond saying the cops did not arrest him and, to my knowledge, no subsequent information has been presented to require his arrest. This is for the grand jury, NOT grand standing media, politicians (of both parties) and race pimps.


28 posted on 03/24/2012 9:41:43 AM PDT by Tahoe3002
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To: Tahoe3002

Absolutely. The media has been increasingly unethical and intentionally (and even shockingly) incendiary in recent years, stoking fires from the Duke lacrosse case to the attempt to place blame of the Tucson mass-murder onto Palin. The media has genuinely been morphing from simple liberal bias into a threatening Fifth Column.


29 posted on 03/24/2012 9:54:01 AM PDT by greene66
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To: Tahoe3002; Travis McGee; Squantos; Twink

the similarity is the race pimp Bonfire

what I think happened is:

black kid is big for his age...maybe scary in a hoodie just walking around

latino whatever he is kid followed him around as a wannabe cop

he ignored dispatcher advice..big mistake in this case...but not always

he confronted the black kid who looked at whatever Zimmerman is and black kid who is likely far more streetwise than the media portrays sizes him up as a nerdy wannabe with a gun and no nerve to use it...young blacks see most quasi white people in this light

so after some words he smacks him...likely a sucker punch which is what I have found his ilk are prone to

they tussle

unfortunately for him he forgot wardaddy’s basic rule about confronting folks armed with guns

A SCARED MAN WILL SHOOT YOU QUICKER THAN ANYONE

so the black kid gets shot by scared whatever race/religion kid and bleeds out and dies

local cops think wannabe was defending himself and there is rumour the kids dad or stepdad has pals around there...who knows

after a while media gets involved and portrays black kid as though he’s Webster or something cute and puppylike

and the ensuing circus begins

what troubles me most aside from our anti white media is that our radical DOJ has decided repeatedly not to pursue black infractions yet they will step right in when a black kid is killed by someone none black if it suits their anti white agenda

i woulda never thought it but here we are 30 years later and a book as bizarre and condemned as the Turner Diaries was, actually has parts which are unfolding all around us all the time

William Pierce was a White Supremacist nut...no question, he inspired McVeigh...but some of what he feared coming is now here...I woulda never believed it...we now do have an oppressive anti white Dept of Justice ferreting out anti minority instances even on local shootings levels and elsewhere....this all started to some degree with Robert and John Kennedy but they never had this in mind...at least I hope not and I’m no fan of theirs

there will be a tipping point one day...in the real South obviously..and some western and midwesterners but they really lack the racial fault lines

the west coast and northeast simply gave up without a fight...a lot of decent traditional folks but not enough

down the road historians...if there are any...will ponder how did they collapse so fast

from WWII greatness to basically a mirror of Brasil


30 posted on 03/24/2012 9:55:38 AM PDT by wardaddy (I am a social conservative. My political party left me(again). They can go to hell in a bucket.)
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To: cport

OK—thanks for that.

Guess we need a good timeline.


31 posted on 03/24/2012 11:28:37 AM PDT by moonhawk (Rush, Mark, Sean: Conservative talkers. Sarah, Newt: Conservative DOers. Mitt: Conservative faker)
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To: wardaddy
Robert and John Kennedy but they never had this in mind...at least I hope not and I’m no fan of theirs

Me neither, but the American people are JFK and RFK fans and shall remain so.

32 posted on 03/24/2012 12:30:51 PM PDT by Theodore R. (Past is prologue: The American people have again let us down in this election cycle.)
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