Skip to comments.These Are The Places In America Where Alcohol Is Still Banned (Ghosts Of Prohibition)
Posted on 03/24/2012 8:56:57 AM PDT by DogByte6RER
These are the places in America where alcohol is still banned
The year was 1933. America's fourteen-year experiment in sobriety was over; the federally mandated ban on the sale and manufacture of alcohol had been lifted. All across the U.S., people welcomed the repeal of prohibition with open arms and flowing taps.
Or rather, most of them did. Meet the counties where America's "noble experiment" never died.
When prohibition lifted almost eighty years ago, many communities (particularly in the Bible Belt) voted to keep alcohol bans in place at the local level. Today, there are still more than 200 "dry" counties nationwide with what most would consider excessively stringent liquor laws. There are even more that remain partially dry (or "moist," to those familiar with the particulars of prohibition legislation).
It's interesting to compare the effects of early 20th century prohibition against those of 2012. America's first experiment with alcohol regulation was a failure on many fronts. Alcohol consumption remained rampant. Thousands died from poorly prepared bathtub liquor. But on the other hand, it also fueled a pretty badass culture of back-alley science and innovation. Smugglers looking to bootleg booze had to come up with innovative ways of eluding the law. Sometimes this involved coming up with creative ways to hide cargo; other times all it meant was being able to outrun whoever was chasing you.
In many ways, prohibition was the catalyst for the first (and arguably biggest) large-scale Do-It-Yourself science movement in the nation's history; home-brewing became extremely popular during prohibition, with magazines like Popular Science publishing how-to guides for assembling DIY distilleries, and measuring your alcohol to keep it within the ABV standards outlined by the eighteenth amendment.
Today, however, it seems like the only real benefit to prohibition is the sense of moral superiority that it instills in those who support it and that's a reality many of the country's driest regions are having to face up to. According to the BBC, many communities that have been dry for decades have been forced to re-evaluate their non-alcoholic standards in light of hard economic times. If you look at the map, you'll notice that many of the dry and moist counties are interspersed with wet ones. With establishments in dry communities losing business to those in counties that permit alcohol, there are many who feel that the prohibition model cannot hold.
"I hope that we can move into the 21st Century and take advantage of a lot of the things that other communities have," explained Paul Croley, a local lawyer who recently led a campaign to change the status of Williamsburg Kentucky from dry to moist. (The tiny community voted on Tuesday by a margin of just 14 votes to finally allow the sale of alcohol in restaurants).
"It is time to wake up and realise that our standard of living can be as good as our neighbours."
I recall reading that over half the geographic area of the US had some form of restrictive law controlling alcohol from outright ban to state stores with 9 to 5 hours, five days a week. I think the map posted above is a bit optimistic.
Just don't insult people's intelligence by calling this "freedom".
Pensacola Fla was an odd place when I lived there.
There were open beer and wine bars
and I recall beer barn drive throughs where they would sell a cup of ice they called a “set up” that you could use for your hard booze, while on the road.
Liquor was controlled by state run stores and there were state licensed bars like ABC liquor lounge that served mixed drinks.
And unlicensed bottle clubs were ubiquitous.
In PA, you must buy beer from a licensed distributor, and you cant buy a 6 pack YOU MUST BUY A CASE BY LAW!!
I think you can buy a 6 pack from a bar.
Ohio has State liquor stores and sells 3.2 beer on Sunday.
In Pa you can get 7.0
The weirdest blue law I ever ran across was in some town in west Texas 20 some years ago that would not sell me BREAD on Sunday because it was against the law LOL
I got in trouble in Tyler TX in 1991 during a bicycle race. I was racing for Lone Star Racing Club at the time. The club’s sole sponsor was Katy Schwinn on Mason Road just west of Houston. Did not matter, according to “The Law”, I was advertising for Lone Star Beer. No amount of logic could get around that conclusion.
And I thought that was Grammy Clampett in her youth!
They also sold “set ups” out here in dry bible belt texas at the liquor store
The liquor store would be in the middle of nowhere, where some one started a mobile home park, declared them selves a city and then voted them selves wet. LOL
I would always laugh at the system LOL Now we git us a mobile home city AND a liquor store! Huzzah!
That’s community plannin!
The only places to buy hard booze near here at just like that.
It’s beyond bizarre.
MS13, La Familia, and Sinaloa, are her grand children.
East Texas certainly is odd.
I had a friend that was a life long member of the church beside my house.
Her husband divorced her.
She met another man years later and that church refused to marry her to him.
She didn’t divorce her first hubby, he divorced her!
At any rate, she remained a member even though her marriage was not recognized by her own church.
She contracted cancer some years later and died.
The funeral was at this same church and during the eulogy they gushed and gushed over how the 2nd husband stood beside her during the cancer and what a fine husband he was to her.
Not much rhyme nor reason to the entire thing.
So.....Whats up with Georgia?
This may be of interest. Rockefeller & prohibition. http://weblog.timoregan.com/archive/2008/01/john-d-rockefeller-alcohol-prohibition/
I have lived in East Texas all my life. There are some dry counties, but I grew up in a wet county.
My hometown had a dry zoned triangle that my house was in. When I got “legal” I could not go to the corner 7-11, I had to drive a few miles into the “wet” area.
The DFW metroplex has a town called Hurst that only sells 5.0 beer maximum.
Grapevine a few miles north has imports, malt liquor and wine, but no hard liquor.
You have to go a couple miles south of Hurst into Fort Worth to buy liquor.
I guess allowing 3 different alcohol contents in one area makes sense to someone.
I see that most of South Jersey, where so many beaches are, is partially dry. I remember how nice it was to take children there for vacation, and how quiet it was at night, thanks to partial controls. Some of those beaches are really old resorts, like Cape May and Ocean City NJ and Rehoboth DE, that started out as summer religious retreats.
More accurately, they have choice between more freedom and less freedom. But if liberalism has taught us anything, it's that you should never underestimate the propensity of people to vote themselves less freedom.
This article points out that that is true not only in New York City and Massachusetts, but even so called Red States.
Someone who supports enforcing a dry county doesn't really have a philosophical problem with the government micromanaging peoples' lives and the economic interests of businesses, they just prefer that a local government do the micromanaging. They pretty much have the same basic philosophy that Obama does.
One of the few - perhaps, only - informed, thoughtful posts on this thread.
The town allowed liquor sales in the 1970s, but so far as I know it only applies to restaurants and clubs: they've kept liquor stores out of the town.
Needham is still listed as an officially dry town, as is Dunstable (next door to Groton).
The other Mass dry towns are on Martha's Vineyard or the Berkshires. Most of them are too small to support much business of any sort.
It's a kind of zoning thing nowadays, a way of keeping undesireables out: towns keep out lottery agents or make everyone live on large lots or without a public sewage system for the same reason.
A conservative should also support local freedom however, even if you recognise the authority of local governments to pass ordinances that are anti-freedom.
My great, great grandmother was Annie Durham Methvin, known as the ‘poet laureate’ of the WCTU. Here’s a sample of her poetry:
Till the World Goes Dry
Our own beloved country once made her valiant stand,
And Prohibition was the law in this our native land,
But Ah, the foe was busy, with hatred unconcealed,
And by the hand of traitors was the law repealed.
America, America, our own dear U.S.A.
We’ll see thee once again, dear land, victorious in the fray,
We’ll never yield our righteous cause, nor lay our armor by
And we’ll not give up the struggle till the world goes dry.
Personally, my sweetie & I make home brew. I’m afraid I’d be a terrible disappointment to old Annie.
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He: I'm looking for the beer.
She: We don't sell beer here. This is a dry county.
He: Huh. Seems like we should have had a vote on that.
She: We did.
Gun Barrel City...lol... I love it.
That aint far from here.
I know a gal that lives there LoL
I live in one of the yellow counties in Ohio.No alcohol sales between 12pm Saturday night and 12 noon on Sunday for carryout.I was shocked out west when we tried to buy a 12 pack in a store and was told we’d have to drive about 20 mi away to get it as the store sat on the edge of an Indian reservation.
Yep! The single #1 reason our southern border is so violent.Take the money away and *poof* it goes too.
I thought Topsfield and/or Rockport were or are dry. Rockport had something like you could BYOB if you wanted.
An episode of History Channel’s How the States Got Their Shapes showed a restaruant/bar on the Georgia/Tenn. line.
There was a bit of a city/state boundary line dispute. As it is now, booze can be served in one side of the place but not the other since the other town is “dry” and if the boundary
dispute is settled in favor of one particular state the whole
place may go dry.
Wikipedia for Rockport:
>>Except for a period in the 1930s the town remained one of 15 Massachusetts dry towns. The town did remain dry for many years until recently, when it was voted that alcohol could be served at restaurants, but liquor stores are still illegal.
Some towns like Lincoln and Carlisle, Weston and Westwood, may be effectively dry, but don't advertise the fact. It may be a matter more of not giving out liquor licenses than of outright banning the sale of liquors. Those are the towns that use control of liquor licenses as zoning regulations to keep out the "riff raff."
I imagine imposing your rules on the unsuspecting and unwilling people of the county would be greater freedom?
You have to explain how that works
This is why I thank god that I live in Nevada. I can buy a bottle of Everclear at a gas station at 4AM on Easter Sunday.
I travel for a living and work very irregular and long hours. There is nothing worse in the world than getting back to the hotel at 2 or 3 in the morning after working 16 hours, and not being allowed to wind down at the bar with a beer or two.
Can you please explain what you mean by "imposing your rules"?
Yeah, I’d give up alcohol for that. /s
I like it. While I won’t land in any of the dry places, we have choice and vote with our feet. That promotes freedom, like state’s rights.
It would be interesting to compare auto accident statistics between dry and wet counties to see the actual effects of alcohol and MADD.
And you cant buy beer at the LCB. For that you have to go to a distributor which are few and far between and you can only buy beer by the case.
Interestingly the PA county where I live has some of the biggest rates for DUI arrests in the country.
“Imposing your rules” was a poor choice of words on my part.
What I really meant to say was ‘imposing your morality’ on the people of the county who chose to remain dry and you are trying to force to be wet.
Is that what you call ‘freedom’, to use your choice of words? Go upthread and read your posts.
You need to explain that.
See, there you go again. I'm not sure you read any of my posts, because it's pretty clear I wasn't advocating using force to make anybody do anything.
I think post #70 was quite clear on that.
I'd be happy to explain further, but until you clear up your misconceptions above, I'll just say this:
Local governments and municipalities that use their authority to impose dry county laws are not exercising freedom, they are curtailing freedom.
Yes, local governments CAN ban the sale and serving of alcohol, just like Mayor Bloomberg can ban salt shakers, and San Francisco can ban non-hybrid cars (or whatever new prohibitionist fad comes around).
But that is what leftists do. They think that because 51% or more of the people support a policy of less freedom, that means we all should live with less freedom.
Supporting a dry county policy simply because you don't like alcohol and don't want it served makes you no better than Obama really. You might as well invite Michelle down to give you more pointers on what types of food and beverage items should be legal or illegal. I thought this was still a conservative crowd, but apparently not.
It’s banned in public in many places. It’s sale in stores is restricted by day and hour and it’s sale in open containers is restricted by license and hour and variety.
Additionally MADD is pushing towards 0.03 BAC for drivers and some organizations are pushing for 0.01 BAC for ALL bar workers including performers (strippers and musicians).
Prohibition? Really? Naw...
And tobacco is limited in its use as well.
But dopers think by demonizing alcohol and cigarettes (which are prohibited by some employers even in off hours and don’t have the same lingering effects as dope), they will be able to see all substances “equalized”.
agreed. locals controlling their environs always better than
people in LA, NY, etc..telling me whatfor.
It may not be my brand of freedom but the people there have made a free choice. The people in those dry counties are free to endure it, move away, or try to change it.
Its a beautiful thing and should be celebrated.
The nanny state (whether local or federal) is antithetical to freedom and should never be celebrated. People voting for less freedom for themselves and and imposing it on their neighbors is not beautiful, and should always be opposed by any freedom lover.
Whatever you say comrade.
In dry county where a business is banned from serving alcohol if they choose, Cripplecreek sits in a coffee shop, that only serves decaff (because caffeine has been banned by the local city council), and eating a soy burger because meat has been deemed bad for the environment and digestive system by the local county board. He reaches for the salt but then remembers that has been banned also, and ponders how thankful he is that the government is looking out for his health.
The beautiful sunset is interrupted by the check from the barista, since all restaurants and businesses are ordered to shut their doors at sundown by city ordinance, because well, it's not safe to be out after dark.
He pays the check for his government mandated decaff and government mandated saltless no-meat soy burger, and as he's driving home in his government mandated hybrid car, he says to himself:
"Isn't freedom wonderful?"
You are missing Alaska and HI?
The line of cars from Pine Ridge to White Clay on the day government checks arrive would take your breath away...it is quite a sight.
Geez...do they ALWAYS take pix of this power-mad control freak from the floor?
It’s to protect his self esteem because he is so short.........
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