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These Are The Places In America Where Alcohol Is Still Banned (Ghosts Of Prohibition)
IO9 ^ | March 23, 2012 | Robert T. Gonzalez

Posted on 03/24/2012 8:56:57 AM PDT by DogByte6RER

These are the places in America where alcohol is still banned

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The year was 1933. America's fourteen-year experiment in sobriety was over; the federally mandated ban on the sale and manufacture of alcohol had been lifted. All across the U.S., people welcomed the repeal of prohibition with open arms and flowing taps.

Or rather, most of them did. Meet the counties where America's "noble experiment" never died.

When prohibition lifted almost eighty years ago, many communities (particularly in the Bible Belt) voted to keep alcohol bans in place at the local level. Today, there are still more than 200 "dry" counties nationwide with what most would consider excessively stringent liquor laws. There are even more that remain partially dry (or "moist," to those familiar with the particulars of prohibition legislation).

It's interesting to compare the effects of early 20th century prohibition against those of 2012. America's first experiment with alcohol regulation was a failure on many fronts. Alcohol consumption remained rampant. Thousands died from poorly prepared bathtub liquor. But on the other hand, it also fueled a pretty badass culture of back-alley science and innovation. Smugglers looking to bootleg booze had to come up with innovative ways of eluding the law. Sometimes this involved coming up with creative ways to hide cargo; other times all it meant was being able to outrun whoever was chasing you.

In many ways, prohibition was the catalyst for the first (and arguably biggest) large-scale Do-It-Yourself science movement in the nation's history; home-brewing became extremely popular during prohibition, with magazines like Popular Science publishing how-to guides for assembling DIY distilleries, and measuring your alcohol to keep it within the ABV standards outlined by the eighteenth amendment.

Today, however, it seems like the only real benefit to prohibition is the sense of moral superiority that it instills in those who support it — and that's a reality many of the country's driest regions are having to face up to. According to the BBC, many communities that have been dry for decades have been forced to re-evaluate their non-alcoholic standards in light of hard economic times. If you look at the map, you'll notice that many of the dry and moist counties are interspersed with wet ones. With establishments in dry communities losing business to those in counties that permit alcohol, there are many who feel that the prohibition model cannot hold.

"I hope that we can move into the 21st Century and take advantage of a lot of the things that other communities have," explained Paul Croley, a local lawyer who recently led a campaign to change the status of Williamsburg Kentucky from dry to moist. (The tiny community voted on Tuesday — by a margin of just 14 votes — to finally allow the sale of alcohol in restaurants).

"It is time to wake up and realise that our standard of living can be as good as our neighbours."


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To: GunRunner

Exactly.


51 posted on 03/24/2012 10:16:14 AM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Gandalf_The_Gray
I just noticed Virginia is shown as wet, but they have state liquor stores to control hard booze. Maybe beer and wine aren't controlled.

I recall reading that over half the geographic area of the US had some form of restrictive law controlling alcohol from outright ban to state stores with 9 to 5 hours, five days a week. I think the map posted above is a bit optimistic.

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52 posted on 03/24/2012 10:19:51 AM PDT by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: Vince Ferrer
That's why I am a conservative. I am willing to accept people wanting these kinds of laws if they are done at a local level, where people can choose to escape them if they wish. It is liberals that feel if it is a good idea, it is a great idea if it is mandatory and forced on the whole country, if not the whole world.

That's exactly why I chose to live where I do and not a couple miles east over the county line in Washtenaw Michigan. Taxes in Washtenaw county are higher but the jobs pay better. It made perfect sense for me to live in Jackson county and drive 8 miles to where I worked in Washtenaw for $2 more per hour than I could make here while paying lower taxes.
53 posted on 03/24/2012 10:24:02 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: cripplecreek
You bet. If a county wants to remain a backwoods shithole where it is a crime for a business to sell or serve beer and wine, that's their prerogative. Maybe they can jump right in with Mayor Bloomberg and ban salt shakers and fatty foods too.

Just don't insult people's intelligence by calling this "freedom".

54 posted on 03/24/2012 10:24:14 AM PDT by GunRunner (***Not associated with any criminal actions by the ATF***)
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To: GunRunner
Just don't insult people's intelligence by calling this "freedom".

They have the freedom to change it if they wish. Its not up to you to dictate.
55 posted on 03/24/2012 10:28:42 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Gandalf_The_Gray

Pensacola Fla was an odd place when I lived there.

There were open beer and wine bars
and I recall beer barn drive throughs where they would sell a cup of ice they called a “set up” that you could use for your hard booze, while on the road.

Liquor was controlled by state run stores and there were state licensed bars like ABC liquor lounge that served mixed drinks.

And unlicensed bottle clubs were ubiquitous.

In PA, you must buy beer from a licensed distributor, and you cant buy a 6 pack YOU MUST BUY A CASE BY LAW!!
I think you can buy a 6 pack from a bar.

Ohio has State liquor stores and sells 3.2 beer on Sunday.
In Pa you can get 7.0

Its crazy

The weirdest blue law I ever ran across was in some town in west Texas 20 some years ago that would not sell me BREAD on Sunday because it was against the law LOL

WTF??


56 posted on 03/24/2012 10:33:05 AM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife

I got in trouble in Tyler TX in 1991 during a bicycle race. I was racing for Lone Star Racing Club at the time. The club’s sole sponsor was Katy Schwinn on Mason Road just west of Houston. Did not matter, according to “The Law”, I was advertising for Lone Star Beer. No amount of logic could get around that conclusion.


57 posted on 03/24/2012 10:35:32 AM PDT by Fred Hayek (FUBO, the No Talent Pop Star pResident.)
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To: DogByte6RER

And I thought that was Grammy Clampett in her youth!


58 posted on 03/24/2012 10:38:14 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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They also sold “set ups” out here in dry bible belt texas at the liquor store

The liquor store would be in the middle of nowhere, where some one started a mobile home park, declared them selves a city and then voted them selves wet. LOL

I would always laugh at the system LOL Now we git us a mobile home city AND a liquor store! Huzzah!
That’s community plannin!

The only places to buy hard booze near here at just like that.


59 posted on 03/24/2012 10:43:17 AM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Fred Hayek

LOL!

It’s beyond bizarre.


60 posted on 03/24/2012 10:44:54 AM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: DogByte6RER
Ah the Godmother of the Kennedys and Capones.

MS13, La Familia, and Sinaloa, are her grand children.

61 posted on 03/24/2012 10:57:30 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Mohammedan law every woman must belong to a man will delay the end of slavery until Islam has ceased)
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To: Fred Hayek

East Texas certainly is odd.
I had a friend that was a life long member of the church beside my house.
Her husband divorced her.
She met another man years later and that church refused to marry her to him.
She didn’t divorce her first hubby, he divorced her!
At any rate, she remained a member even though her marriage was not recognized by her own church.

She contracted cancer some years later and died.

The funeral was at this same church and during the eulogy they gushed and gushed over how the 2nd husband stood beside her during the cancer and what a fine husband he was to her.

Not much rhyme nor reason to the entire thing.


62 posted on 03/24/2012 11:00:58 AM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: DogByte6RER

So.....Whats up with Georgia?


63 posted on 03/24/2012 11:02:41 AM PDT by Delta 21 (Oh Crap !! Did I say that out loud ??!??)
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To: Delta 21

This may be of interest. Rockefeller & prohibition. http://weblog.timoregan.com/archive/2008/01/john-d-rockefeller-alcohol-prohibition/


64 posted on 03/24/2012 11:17:22 AM PDT by Digger (If RINO is your selection then failure is your election)
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To: mylife

I have lived in East Texas all my life. There are some dry counties, but I grew up in a wet county.

My hometown had a dry zoned triangle that my house was in. When I got “legal” I could not go to the corner 7-11, I had to drive a few miles into the “wet” area.

The DFW metroplex has a town called Hurst that only sells 5.0 beer maximum.

Grapevine a few miles north has imports, malt liquor and wine, but no hard liquor.

You have to go a couple miles south of Hurst into Fort Worth to buy liquor.

I guess allowing 3 different alcohol contents in one area makes sense to someone.


65 posted on 03/24/2012 11:18:53 AM PDT by MikeSteelBe (Austrian Hitler was, as the Halfrican Hitler does.)
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To: DogByte6RER

I see that most of South Jersey, where so many beaches are, is partially dry. I remember how nice it was to take children there for vacation, and how quiet it was at night, thanks to partial controls. Some of those beaches are really old resorts, like Cape May and Ocean City NJ and Rehoboth DE, that started out as summer religious retreats.


66 posted on 03/24/2012 11:22:38 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("Real men are not threatened by strong women." -- Sarah Palin)
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To: cripplecreek
They have the freedom to change it if they wish. Its not up to you to dictate.

More accurately, they have choice between more freedom and less freedom. But if liberalism has taught us anything, it's that you should never underestimate the propensity of people to vote themselves less freedom.

This article points out that that is true not only in New York City and Massachusetts, but even so called Red States.

Someone who supports enforcing a dry county doesn't really have a philosophical problem with the government micromanaging peoples' lives and the economic interests of businesses, they just prefer that a local government do the micromanaging. They pretty much have the same basic philosophy that Obama does.

67 posted on 03/24/2012 11:38:57 AM PDT by GunRunner (***Not associated with any criminal actions by the ATF***)
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To: shatcher

One of the few - perhaps, only - informed, thoughtful posts on this thread.


68 posted on 03/24/2012 11:42:00 AM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: DogByte6RER; raccoonradio
Wellesley MA was long known as a "dry town." Babson College founder Roger Babson even ran for President on the Prohibition Party ticket.

The town allowed liquor sales in the 1970s, but so far as I know it only applies to restaurants and clubs: they've kept liquor stores out of the town.

Needham is still listed as an officially dry town, as is Dunstable (next door to Groton).

The other Mass dry towns are on Martha's Vineyard or the Berkshires. Most of them are too small to support much business of any sort.

It's a kind of zoning thing nowadays, a way of keeping undesireables out: towns keep out lottery agents or make everyone live on large lots or without a public sewage system for the same reason.

69 posted on 03/24/2012 12:01:51 PM PDT by x
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To: Vince Ferrer

A conservative should also support local freedom however, even if you recognise the authority of local governments to pass ordinances that are anti-freedom.


70 posted on 03/24/2012 12:02:14 PM PDT by GunRunner (***Not associated with any criminal actions by the ATF***)
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To: DogByte6RER

My great, great grandmother was Annie Durham Methvin, known as the ‘poet laureate’ of the WCTU. Here’s a sample of her poetry:

Till the World Goes Dry

Our own beloved country once made her valiant stand,
And Prohibition was the law in this our native land,
But Ah, the foe was busy, with hatred unconcealed,
And by the hand of traitors was the law repealed.
Chorus:
America, America, our own dear U.S.A.
We’ll see thee once again, dear land, victorious in the fray,
We’ll never yield our righteous cause, nor lay our armor by
And we’ll not give up the struggle till the world goes dry.

Personally, my sweetie & I make home brew. I’m afraid I’d be a terrible disappointment to old Annie.


71 posted on 03/24/2012 12:07:34 PM PDT by Twotone (Marte Et Clypeo)
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To: DogByte6RER

Related story: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2863281/posts


72 posted on 03/24/2012 12:07:55 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: DogByte6RER

Related story: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2863281/posts


73 posted on 03/24/2012 12:07:55 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: DogByte6RER
Maybe this has changed; when I was stationed at Ft. Hood, TX in the late 90’s and lived in Killeen (Bell Co), I did some business in neighboring Copperas Cove (Coryell? Co.). While in one of the grocery stores I heard an exchange between a young adult male customer and a female employee.

He: I'm looking for the beer.

She: We don't sell beer here. This is a dry county.

He: Huh. Seems like we should have had a vote on that.

She: We did.

74 posted on 03/24/2012 12:32:20 PM PDT by ExGeeEye (Islam: a transnational fascist government that demands worship.)
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To: mylife

Gun Barrel City...lol... I love it.


75 posted on 03/24/2012 12:32:26 PM PDT by Conservative4Ever (Waiting for the new tagline to download)
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To: Conservative4Ever

That aint far from here.
I know a gal that lives there LoL


76 posted on 03/24/2012 12:40:36 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: DogByte6RER

I live in one of the yellow counties in Ohio.No alcohol sales between 12pm Saturday night and 12 noon on Sunday for carryout.I was shocked out west when we tried to buy a 12 pack in a store and was told we’d have to drive about 20 mi away to get it as the store sat on the edge of an Indian reservation.


77 posted on 03/24/2012 12:46:07 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: Gluteus Maximus

Yep! The single #1 reason our southern border is so violent.Take the money away and *poof* it goes too.


78 posted on 03/24/2012 12:47:35 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: x

I thought Topsfield and/or Rockport were or are dry. Rockport had something like you could BYOB if you wanted.

An episode of History Channel’s How the States Got Their Shapes showed a restaruant/bar on the Georgia/Tenn. line.
There was a bit of a city/state boundary line dispute. As it is now, booze can be served in one side of the place but not the other since the other town is “dry” and if the boundary
dispute is settled in favor of one particular state the whole
place may go dry.

Wikipedia for Rockport:
>>Except for a period in the 1930s the town remained one of 15 Massachusetts dry towns. The town did remain dry for many years until recently, when it was voted that alcohol could be served at restaurants, but liquor stores are still illegal.


79 posted on 03/24/2012 12:49:02 PM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: raccoonradio
Topsfield went wet in 2004, and sold the first bottle of wine in 2007 (I wonder about that delay).

Some towns like Lincoln and Carlisle, Weston and Westwood, may be effectively dry, but don't advertise the fact. It may be a matter more of not giving out liquor licenses than of outright banning the sale of liquors. Those are the towns that use control of liquor licenses as zoning regulations to keep out the "riff raff."

80 posted on 03/24/2012 1:10:41 PM PDT by x
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To: GunRunner

I imagine imposing your rules on the unsuspecting and unwilling people of the county would be greater freedom?

You have to explain how that works


81 posted on 03/24/2012 1:52:32 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Liberals, at their core, are aggressive & dangerous to everyone around them,)
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This is why I thank god that I live in Nevada. I can buy a bottle of Everclear at a gas station at 4AM on Easter Sunday.

I travel for a living and work very irregular and long hours. There is nothing worse in the world than getting back to the hotel at 2 or 3 in the morning after working 16 hours, and not being allowed to wind down at the bar with a beer or two.


82 posted on 03/24/2012 2:03:37 PM PDT by dsrtsage (One half of all people have below average IQ. In the US the number is 54%)
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To: Balding_Eagle
I'm sorry, I don't follow you.

Can you please explain what you mean by "imposing your rules"?

83 posted on 03/24/2012 2:19:16 PM PDT by GunRunner (***Not associated with any criminal actions by the ATF***)
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To: DogByte6RER
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84 posted on 03/24/2012 2:23:58 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

Yeah, I’d give up alcohol for that. /s


85 posted on 03/24/2012 2:25:25 PM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: DogByte6RER

I like it. While I won’t land in any of the dry places, we have choice and vote with our feet. That promotes freedom, like state’s rights.

It would be interesting to compare auto accident statistics between dry and wet counties to see the actual effects of alcohol and MADD.


86 posted on 03/24/2012 2:59:09 PM PDT by MV=PY (The Magic Question: Who's paying for it?)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
Ugggghhhh!!! Look at all of those sourpusses! They have the same expression as that sourpuss on that failed dollar coin that Jimmy Carter promoted some 30+ years ago. I'm gonna now go pour me some Jim Beam and feel better about myself.
87 posted on 03/24/2012 3:50:21 PM PDT by DogByte6RER ("Loose lips sink ships")
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To: DogByte6RER
Here in Pennsylvania you can’t buy wine or liquor except for in the state run “State Stores”, the LCB. It has all the convenience, charm and much the same experience and level of customer satisfaction as going to PennDot to renew your driver’s license.

And you can’t buy beer at the LCB. For that you have to go to a “distributor” which are few and far between and you can only buy beer by the case.

Interestingly the PA county where I live has some of the biggest rates for DUI arrests in the country.

88 posted on 03/24/2012 4:08:24 PM PDT by MD Expat in PA
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To: GunRunner

“Imposing your rules” was a poor choice of words on my part.

What I really meant to say was ‘imposing your morality’ on the people of the county who chose to remain dry and you are trying to force to be wet.

Is that what you call ‘freedom’, to use your choice of words? Go upthread and read your posts.

You need to explain that.


89 posted on 03/24/2012 5:43:04 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Liberals, at their core, are aggressive & dangerous to everyone around them,)
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To: Balding_Eagle
and you are trying to force to be wet.

See, there you go again. I'm not sure you read any of my posts, because it's pretty clear I wasn't advocating using force to make anybody do anything.

I think post #70 was quite clear on that.

I'd be happy to explain further, but until you clear up your misconceptions above, I'll just say this:

Local governments and municipalities that use their authority to impose dry county laws are not exercising freedom, they are curtailing freedom.

Yes, local governments CAN ban the sale and serving of alcohol, just like Mayor Bloomberg can ban salt shakers, and San Francisco can ban non-hybrid cars (or whatever new prohibitionist fad comes around).

But that is what leftists do. They think that because 51% or more of the people support a policy of less freedom, that means we all should live with less freedom.

Supporting a dry county policy simply because you don't like alcohol and don't want it served makes you no better than Obama really. You might as well invite Michelle down to give you more pointers on what types of food and beverage items should be legal or illegal. I thought this was still a conservative crowd, but apparently not.

90 posted on 03/24/2012 6:37:47 PM PDT by GunRunner (***Not associated with any criminal actions by the ATF***)
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To: DogByte6RER

It’s banned in public in many places. It’s sale in stores is restricted by day and hour and it’s sale in open containers is restricted by license and hour and variety.

Additionally MADD is pushing towards 0.03 BAC for drivers and some organizations are pushing for 0.01 BAC for ALL bar workers including performers (strippers and musicians).

Prohibition? Really? Naw...

And tobacco is limited in its use as well.

But dopers think by demonizing alcohol and cigarettes (which are prohibited by some employers even in off hours and don’t have the same lingering effects as dope), they will be able to see all substances “equalized”.


91 posted on 03/24/2012 6:44:37 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Barack Obama continued to sponsor Jeremiah Wright after he said "G.D. AMERIKKA!"Where's the outrage?)
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To: cripplecreek

agreed. locals controlling their environs always better than
people in LA, NY, etc..telling me whatfor.


92 posted on 03/25/2012 8:43:56 AM PDT by urtax$@work (The only kind of memorial is a Burning memorial !)
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To: urtax$@work

It may not be my brand of freedom but the people there have made a free choice. The people in those dry counties are free to endure it, move away, or try to change it.

Its a beautiful thing and should be celebrated.


93 posted on 03/25/2012 8:51:30 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: cripplecreek

The nanny state (whether local or federal) is antithetical to freedom and should never be celebrated. People voting for less freedom for themselves and and imposing it on their neighbors is not beautiful, and should always be opposed by any freedom lover.


94 posted on 03/25/2012 10:53:15 AM PDT by GunRunner (***Not associated with any criminal actions by the ATF***)
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To: GunRunner

Whatever you say comrade.


95 posted on 03/25/2012 10:58:37 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: cripplecreek
Bloomberg called. He wanted to thank you for describing his salt and trans fat bans as "a beautiful thing".

In dry county where a business is banned from serving alcohol if they choose, Cripplecreek sits in a coffee shop, that only serves decaff (because caffeine has been banned by the local city council), and eating a soy burger because meat has been deemed bad for the environment and digestive system by the local county board. He reaches for the salt but then remembers that has been banned also, and ponders how thankful he is that the government is looking out for his health.

The beautiful sunset is interrupted by the check from the barista, since all restaurants and businesses are ordered to shut their doors at sundown by city ordinance, because well, it's not safe to be out after dark.

He pays the check for his government mandated decaff and government mandated saltless no-meat soy burger, and as he's driving home in his government mandated hybrid car, he says to himself:

"Isn't freedom wonderful?"

96 posted on 03/25/2012 11:19:38 AM PDT by GunRunner (***Not associated with any criminal actions by the ATF***)
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To: DogByte6RER

You are missing Alaska and HI?


97 posted on 03/26/2012 7:15:56 AM PDT by Rightly Biased (How do you say Arkanicide in Kenyan?)
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To: bigbob
That red splotch in South Dakota is the Pine Ridge Reservation, where the ban on alcohol is moot since the unincorporated White Clay, Nebraska (pop 14) lies 2 miles south, and sells over 5 million cans of beer each year. Go figure.

The line of cars from Pine Ridge to White Clay on the day government checks arrive would take your breath away...it is quite a sight.

98 posted on 03/26/2012 7:24:43 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: GunRunner

Geez...do they ALWAYS take pix of this power-mad control freak from the floor?


99 posted on 03/26/2012 7:53:45 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: who knows what evil?

It’s to protect his self esteem because he is so short.........


100 posted on 03/26/2012 8:06:01 AM PDT by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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