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Posted on 03/25/2012 11:24:31 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler
What should you say, or what should you NOT say if youre involved in a shooting? Massad Ayoob shares the 5-points to cover when the police arrive.
(Excerpt) Read more at gunsandammo.com ...
Ayoob is always worth paying attention to.
Tell the cops that they can get your side of the story from your lawyer, then clam up.
I feel so sorry for Ayoob —imagine how many times per year his job requires him to travel around the country by air with GUNS....?!?!
He’s a GREAT guy, but imagine you’re some TSA flunky and an Ayoob Masaad shows up wanting to fly with like 2 Glocks and a Sig...?!
I shudder to contemplate it.
thanks so much for posting!!!
thanks so much for posting!!!
Many, many thanks for posting this. I was just thinking about this situation while (carrying) on my walk this morning.
Sorry you got suspended
If he is still a deputized police officer, I would imagine things being a little easier for him
Self-defense shooting (Massad Ayoob)
1. Make the call to 911. Law presumes who made the call to be the victim.
2. Holster your pistol so you dont appear threatening when the cops show up. Keep one hand on the pistol, keep your eyes on the attacker, and hold your other hand up so the cops can see it.
3. Tell the cops who arrive on-scene:
A. Im the one who called.
B. Thats the man who attacked me.
C. He may still have a weapon.
D. I dont know if there are any more.
4. The five things to say as the scene is being secured::
A. This man attacked me.
B. I will sign the complaint.
C. Evidence is here.
D. The witnesses are there.
E. I will cooperate fully with you 24 hours after contacting counsel.
5. Make no further statements to anyone, especially the media. If you must talk to the media, make sure any statements are made through your attorney.
For anyone that hasn’t read it: get “In the Gravest Extreme” by Massad Ayoob. It remains the single best book on what it -really- means to use a gun in self defense. It’s not all sunshine and lollypops. Even in the most justified of circumstances it is a life-changing event.
I keep several copies on hand and give them out to friends like they were gospel tracts.
“Make the call to 911. Law presumes who made the call to be the victim.”
No, they don’t. They assume whoever did the shooting and in possession of a firearm to be the aggressor. I know, after multiple times at that rodeo I have seen that pattern of prejudice. Also, NEVER place a hand near your weapon. They will want to see BOTH hands. They will remove the wepaon from its holster.
Best advice: Have a good attorney on speed dial. They are worth their weight in gold. Shut up. Nothing but the most basic statement that you are the vicitm and that your attorney is on his way and you will give a statement after speaking to the attorney.
good info, but dont forget, at least as a last resort, to complain of “shortness of breath/chest pain” to buy some *alone* time at the hospital to await counsel...
I'll do you one better.
After my first defensive use of a firearm, I spent a lot of time in legal offices discussing my case and buttressing it. The very best advice I ever took was to contact your local LEO precinct and ask who they retain for counsel on LEO-involved shootings. Get their card and if you're ever involved in a self-defense shooting, hand his/her card to the responding LEOs and explain that they are your counsel.
I, thank God, never saw the inside of a court room for either of my defensive firearm uses, but having that attorney's card in my wallet the second time it happened really set my heart and mind at ease.
If you are looking to pick a fight with anyone, pick your fight with Massad Ayoob.
If you don't like the message or you think it is incorrect, talk to Massad Ayoob.
Don't argue fine points with me; I passed this information pretty much verbatim from the interview. Argue with Massad Ayoob.
I am not a lawyer and I don't play one on TV.
Absolutely. Great advice. I use a guy that was the DA and current LEO counsel. He knows the ins and outs of such situations and advised me on proper procedures both for a shoot and what to do afterwards. I couldn’t argue or disagree with a single piece of advice he had to offer. His fees were very reasonable; about $500 for the retainer and good advice, and he settled my last shoot for $1,500. Best money I ever spent, next to an engagement ring for the now wife.
Well, once you “lawyer up” by stating you’ll be waiting for an attorney the police are supposed to let you be until that time as anything they demand from you after that can be dismissed from evidence. I only answer questions that help them direct their on-scene investigation or control, such as pointing out witnesses or where the involved weapons may be found, my name and where my ID is, etc. Helpful but only factual and direct. Descriptions of the scene, events, players, etc are strictly off limits.
that *supposed to* is where i really meant for the call to the EMTs to come in...when they press beyond the bounds...
some say that immediately 'lawyering' is sometimes seen as a defacto admission of something, as *only* the guilty party calls for counsel...
if, immediately after the event, you feel lightheaded, short of breath, and chest tightness, *they* will want to give you room and not risk being considered at fault if you were denied medical treatment, giving time to let the adrenaline come down, and get that counsel, w/o specifically challenging them to *allow* it...
just extra food for thought on the thread...
Is that the content of the video that I can’t find at the link?
I don't think lying to the cops is the best idea I've seen on the thread. Once you've said enough to clear the emergency (IE, could there be another assailant?), they have to respect your wishes to clam up until you get counsel.
Your follow up comments clarify a lot. Sorry....
hehehe...most of my comments need clarification...8^}
Yeah, me too...as evidenced by #25 & 26. LOL
Preach it brother! I keep an extra around too, and recommend it online to others frequently.
Flying with guns is easy. You check them. Usually the line is shorter than if you are checking luggage.
The YouTube link was through Guns and Ammo as I recall. It featured Tom Gresham and Massad Ayoob. i don’t have the link any more and I didn’t find it with a quick search. The link was embedded in a posting as a reply in a FR article. That’s about all I can tell you.
I spoke to Mr Attoryney last night. His advice was not to play that short of breath gambit becuase it can be used against you in that you are admitting to not being of good health. Imagine getting grilled on just when your health was having problems and did it contribute to your lack of good judgement in the shoot. What “lack of good judgement?” Well, you did admit immediately after the shoot that you needed medical care.
I suspect that if you were afraid for your life and had to shoot someone, you might really be short of breath or lightheaded. Adrenaline dumps are really something else.
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