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Analysis: More US drilling didn't drop gas price
Minnesota Public Radio ^ | March 22, 2012 | By SETH BORENSTEIN and JACK GILLUM

Posted on 03/28/2012 2:38:26 PM PDT by 1010RD

It's the political cure-all for high gas prices: Drill here, drill now. But more U.S. drilling has not changed how deeply the gas pump drills into your wallet, math and history show.

A statistical analysis of 36 years of monthly, inflation-adjusted gasoline prices and U.S. domestic oil production by The Associated Press shows no statistical correlation between how much oil comes out of U.S. wells and the price at the pump.

If more domestic oil drilling worked as politicians say, you'd now be paying about $2 a gallon for gasoline. Instead, you're paying the highest prices ever for March.

Political rhetoric about the blame over gas prices and the power to change them - whether Republican claims now or Democrats' charges four years ago - is not supported by cold, hard figures. And that's especially true about oil drilling in the U.S. More oil production in the United States does not mean consistently lower prices at the pump. [more at the site]

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The Left wants to oversimplify the Drill Here, Drill Now argument. It isn't just about prices, but liberty, jobs and national security.
1 posted on 03/28/2012 2:38:29 PM PDT by 1010RD
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To: thackney

Any comments?


2 posted on 03/28/2012 2:39:38 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: 1010RD

Brought to you by”

“Minnesota Public Radio”

Fair and balanced, no doubt.


3 posted on 03/28/2012 2:42:19 PM PDT by A_Former_Democrat (Hey "Unifier" and MSM: Demand Spike Lee apologize.)
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To: 1010RD

The laws of supply and demand do not obtain where King Obama is involved.


4 posted on 03/28/2012 2:42:19 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: 1010RD
A statistical analysis of 36 years of monthly, inflation-adjusted gasoline prices and U.S. domestic oil production by The Associated Press shows...

Wait. Stop. Hold it right there. If it's by the Associated Press and Minnesota Public Radio is broadcasting it, the needle on my suspicion meter just flopped all the way over to the right.

Considering the source, I'm going to wait for someone to look into the matter without Marxist rose-tinted glasses.

5 posted on 03/28/2012 2:43:21 PM PDT by Standing Wolf
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To: 1010RD

Supply and demand works every time it is tried.

http://www.easttexasoilmuseum.com/Pages/morehistory.html

Production of East Texas’ newest commodity increased rapidly from seven wells every other week, to seven wells daily, to more than 100 wells put into production each day. The first oil discovered sold for $1.10 a barrel, but prices plummeted to 15 cents as supply flooded the market and drilling activity spread to Upshur, Smith and Cherokee counties.

Production swelled to more than 1,000,000 barrels daily and in August 1931, National Guardsmen were ordered into the area to keep peace between roughnecks, lease hounds, oil speculators and camp followers. These actions finally culminated in legislative action – a market-demand law, confiscation law, truck-tender law, the refinery control and felony bill, and the Connolly Hot Oil Act of 1935, which restored order and stability.


6 posted on 03/28/2012 2:43:34 PM PDT by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: 1010RD

comments from MPR.......liberal states mouthpiece. How about we drop carbon sequestration because our efforts to date have not made a dent. No effect on price? How about we express path refinery locations in the USA so we have greater refinery capacity and greater flexibility for our pipelines? Why not build more plants? Why not more nuclear in the US? Let the market drive down prices and give consumers the final say in how they want to spend their hard earned money for the products and processes they want to pay for. Minnesota......Ventura country.


7 posted on 03/28/2012 2:43:34 PM PDT by Michigan Bowhunter
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To: 1010RD

And yet we are told we may have to wait up to 20 YRS... give or take...for wind and solar power to kick in.


8 posted on 03/28/2012 2:43:46 PM PDT by capt. norm (Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves for they shall never run out of material. c)
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The Laws of Supply and Demand has not been revoked.

How much oil had the drilling produced, that is the issue, not the amount of drilling done per se.

9 posted on 03/28/2012 2:44:47 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (How strangely will the Tools of a Tyrant pervert the plain Meaning of Words!-Sam Adams)
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To: 1010RD

The devaluation of the dollar.

About 75% of the cost of gasoline is the cost of the oil necessary to produce it. Oil is traded in U.S. dollars. The Obama/Bernanke printing press has been working overtime not only printing money, but devaluing the dollar for quite awhile now. The cost of oil goes up as the value of the dollar goes down.

Same thing with all your groceries. The devalued dollar is a participant in that crime as well.


10 posted on 03/28/2012 2:45:42 PM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: 1010RD

It’s about drilling here rather than importing. It means jobs...good jobs....and more income for the government who, if they were nice, could take off the Federal Tax at the pump. So could the states...We can lower prices here....if we stop importing.


11 posted on 03/28/2012 2:45:51 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: 1010RD

By that same logic , no drilling in the US would leave the prices the same.

Of course china and India were not competing for oil for many of those 36 years, and having drilling here means the jobs, economy and taxes stay here.


12 posted on 03/28/2012 2:46:54 PM PDT by hecht (Murray use your coaster)
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To: 1010RD

comments from MPR.......liberal states mouthpiece. How about we drop carbon sequestration because our efforts to date have not made a dent. No effect on price? How about we express path refinery locations in the USA so we have greater refinery capacity and greater flexibility for our pipelines? Why not build more plants? Why not more nuclear in the US? Let the market drive down prices and give consumers the final say in how they want to spend their hard earned money for the products and processes they want to pay for. Minnesota......Ventura country.


13 posted on 03/28/2012 2:47:15 PM PDT by Michigan Bowhunter
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More US drilling didn't drop gas price

Any comments?

Yes, virtually no drilling has occurred yet, compared to what needs to happen. The oil is there to be had.

14 posted on 03/28/2012 2:47:18 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER ( Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month.)
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To: 1010RD

There is a lag time, between the commencement of drilling, and the delivery of the first barrel of crude, or the first collection of natural gas. Then, there is the problem of transporting the product, whether by pipeline, that may have to still be built, or by surface transportation, railroad or tank trucks, needing tracks or raodways to the site.

Because the flow of oil did not start with the first turn of the drill rig, the Nellie Negatives point and say, it will be YEARS before this is up and producing.

Which is no argument at all, because we must start NOW to have the supply flowing three to five years out, and if we DON’T get started, where will we be in three to five years?


15 posted on 03/28/2012 2:47:46 PM PDT by alloysteel (College "education" may be the worst mischief to be inflicted upon the next generation.)
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To: 1010RD

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connally_Hot_Oil_Act_of_1935

The Connally Hot Oil Act of 1935

Ostensibly enacted to protect the industry from “contraband oil”, it was mainly a way of cartelizing the industry to stabilize falling prices.


16 posted on 03/28/2012 2:48:26 PM PDT by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: 1010RD

MPR is just regurtitating a liberal think-tank report that came out a week and a half ago.

When crude oil prices drop for an extended period, certain domestic wells become un-economical to operate and they are capped. And not much new drilling happens under those conditions.

It’s an Egg before the Chicken proposition and not the other way around.


17 posted on 03/28/2012 2:51:59 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: 1010RD
This simplistic “analysis” has no relationship to reality. It is just political disinformation. More drilling and more production causes lower prices when other factors such as demand, imports, the value of the dollar relative to other currencies and other factors are taken into account.

If it were as simplistic as the author implies an 8th grade graduate or a Democrat could be an respected analyst who's opinions are taken seriously.

The law of supply and demand is not irrelevant. We are not living in an alternate universe.

The simple answer is, all other things being equal, more supply will cause prices to be lower and less supply will cause prices to be higher.

18 posted on 03/28/2012 2:52:02 PM PDT by detective
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To: 1010RD

HERE WE HAVE IT: Christopher Knittel, a professor of energy economics at MIT says “American oil production is about 11 percent of the world’s output, so even if the U.S. were to increase its oil production by 50 percent - that is more than drilling in the Arctic, increased public-lands and offshore drilling, and the Canadian pipeline would provide - it would at most cut gas prices by 10 percent.”

ACCORDING TO THIS BRAINIAC’s logic the US could cut its production BY HALF and gas prices would only rise 10%. AND IF THE US just packed it in and stopped 100% of its production, then the price would only rise 20%. Gosh, it looks like Obama and Chu are right and we should start growing algae in our our swimming pools ASAP.


19 posted on 03/28/2012 2:52:45 PM PDT by CreviceTool ( Obama is standing above the country above above the world, he is sort of a God = Evan Thomas)
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To: 1010RD
A statistical analysis of 36 years of monthly, inflation-adjusted gasoline prices and U.S. domestic oil production by The Associated Press shows no statistical correlation between how much oil comes out of U.S. wells and the price at the pump.

This is the biggest load of crapola I've seen since the Trayvon Martin non-story broke. What these folks conveniently ignore is that the enviroweenies have virtually prevented ALL refinery production since the 70s and they celebrate everytime an American refinery closes or has to shut down for repairs or upgrades. The more oil we can produce here and the more refineries we have to produce the gas, the lower the price. It's a simple economic formula that the left tries to obfuscate at every opportunity.

When we are all back to commuting by horse and buggy, the very same people who hate oil, gas and automobiles will be screaming the loudest about not being able to get oil, buy gas or drive their automobile!!

I'm REALLY beginning to hate leftists!!

20 posted on 03/28/2012 2:53:00 PM PDT by DustyMoment (Congress - Another name for white collar criminals!!)
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To: 1010RD

NPR would be glad for all the extra domestic oil producing capacity when the lid blows off the Persian Gulf as it is sure to do when Israel goes after Iran. Or maybe not, since NPR affiliates are uniformly anti-American, anti-capitalist, anti-western, anti-fossil fuels & anti-Israeli.


21 posted on 03/28/2012 2:53:15 PM PDT by Tallguy (It's all 'Fun and Games' until somebody loses an eye!)
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To: 1010RD
If more domestic oil drilling worked as politicians say, you'd now be paying about $2 a gallon for gasoline. Instead, you're paying the highest prices ever for March.

Since when have we been actively drilling domestically?

We stifled growth of that decades ago and it has been capped by Washington since.

These people say whatever they want and they actually believe their lies themselves after a while, I'm convinced.

22 posted on 03/28/2012 2:56:39 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: 1010RD

Trillions of dollars spending did not raise employment or create enough energy to run the country.


23 posted on 03/28/2012 2:57:58 PM PDT by mountainlion (I am voting for Sarah after getting screwed again by the DC Thugs.)
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To: 1010RD
Any comments?
Read the note on ...

page 14

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24 posted on 03/28/2012 2:58:51 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: 1010RD

Seems that no one remembers that before the mid 70’s oil embargo (about 36 years ago) there were GAS PRICE WARS everywhere.

Gas was .28 to .30 CENTS a gallon. The oil companies quit using our oil for the “light, sweet” crude of the middle east, which, IMHO, allowed the allowed the Arabs not only to embargo and rise prices, but to cause American money to be sent overseas.

Our next big SNAFU was NAFTA. Another government mistake that still sticks in my craw.


25 posted on 03/28/2012 2:59:21 PM PDT by wizr (Keep the Faith!)
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To: 1010RD
Active wells / Refining capacity / Monetary policy

The cØmmunists have f'd up the lot.

When it's $5/gal and up, the maggots may well find themselves increasingly 'unwelcome' when out amongst the serfs.

26 posted on 03/28/2012 2:59:36 PM PDT by tomkat (FU.baraq !)
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To: Tallguy

” NPR affiliates are uniformly anti-American, anti-capitalist, anti-western, anti-fossil fuels & anti-Israeli.”

So please explain why this article is written By SETH BORENSTEIN and JACK GILLUM? How is it that these guys can be anti-Israeli? Or are they simply “Justice Ginzberg’s People” (JINOs)

By SETH BORENSTEIN and JACK GILLUM


27 posted on 03/28/2012 3:00:32 PM PDT by vette6387
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To: mountainlion

Here is the problem in a nutshell.

If we remember the 80’s the excuse was the car and oil companies were buying the patents and killing the projects.

If Exxon bought a few of those windmill and solar panel companies and buried it, it would be game over.


28 posted on 03/28/2012 3:00:53 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Solyent Pink is Sheeple!!!!)
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To: 1010RD

The same study, though, showed that when drilling increased worldwide, it resulted in a lowering of the pump price. We can also see that when a political initiative is launched, such as GW Bush’s proposal to open up all sorts of places to drilling, it can cause the world per barrel price to plummet over the course of six months by more than two thirds. That also resulted in lower pump prices.


29 posted on 03/28/2012 3:01:28 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: vette6387

Borensteen is a total marxist turd; even his brother John says so (John is OK)


30 posted on 03/28/2012 3:03:46 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: 1010RD
The US is now, and has been for some time, heavily dependent on foreign oil to make gasoline. Oil is a global commodity and the price is set in the world market. We are price takers dependent on OPEC. Our modest increases in domestic production, constrained by Democrats I might add, have not been enough to shift that balance of power. We cannot meet our own needs at current production levels and must compete with increasing foreign demand, hence the price rises as world demand rises. We will only be able to effect the price when we produce enough to meet most of our own demand, become free of OPEC, so to speak. We can do it with the reserves we have but only if we drill, baby, drill. The NPR study proves nothing except the obvious, oil prices are not set in the US. And please, somebody explain this to Bill O’Rielly.
31 posted on 03/28/2012 3:04:01 PM PDT by Old North State (Don't blame me, I voted for Pedro)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

Last time gas prices were high EXON made $4B profit and paid $35B in taxes. The government always has its hand in your pocket.


32 posted on 03/28/2012 3:09:09 PM PDT by mountainlion (I am voting for Sarah after getting screwed again by the DC Thugs.)
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To: 1010RD
In August of 2008 gas was at $4.00 a gallon and then Sarah Palin demanded that we Drill Here Drill Now, and gas prices immediately dropped to $1.95 a gallon.

Once Obama took power in 2009 domestic drilling was halted and gas is now $4.00.

33 posted on 03/28/2012 3:10:22 PM PDT by Uncle Slayton
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To: EQAndyBuzz

Windmills are good for oil companies.

Both BP and Exxon manyfacture windmills, and when the wind dies down (which it does frequently at the most inopportune times) then the power companies have to substitute with (you guessed it) oil, coal or natural gas fired plants on the spur od the moment.

They truly love those windmills!
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34 posted on 03/28/2012 3:11:46 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: 1010RD

A lot of wells get capped here until the OPEC target price gets raised during heavy demand. I think OPEC keeps the price down so they don’t go into production. When prices rise to the point where it is sufficiently profitable for some of the independents to start producing, they bring their wells into production. I saw this capping going on years ago working oil & gas loans in southern banks.

One question is, “How high would prices go if OPEC was not constrained by this contingent supply?” If we did not drill, and had no supply waiting to come to production, OPEC could pick our pockets and devastate our economy with high prices which the economies of developing nations kicked into high gear.

Got to go.


35 posted on 03/28/2012 3:12:47 PM PDT by RatRipper (I'll ride a turtle to work every day before I buy anything from Government Motors.)
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To: rockinqsranch

You’re absolutely correct.


36 posted on 03/28/2012 3:20:03 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: rockinqsranch
The devaluation of the dollar.

About 75% of the cost of gasoline is the cost of the oil necessary to produce it. Oil is traded in U.S. dollars. The Obama/Bernanke printing press has been working overtime not only printing money, but devaluing the dollar for quite awhile now. The cost of oil goes up as the value of the dollar goes down.

Same thing with all your groceries. The devalued dollar is a participant in that crime as well.


The analysis was done in constant dollars.
37 posted on 03/28/2012 3:23:02 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: EGPWS
Since when have we been actively drilling domestically?

Since the 1800s.
38 posted on 03/28/2012 3:24:26 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: 1010RD

I chanced to listen to a few minutes of MN NPR a few summers ago while driving to Northern MN. Pharmaceutical grade, industrial strength moonbattery..


39 posted on 03/28/2012 3:24:45 PM PDT by cardinal4 (Bolton/Arpaio 2012 "Kick the UN across the border!")
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To: 1010RD
Lies. Damned lies. And statistics ...

And public radio ...

40 posted on 03/28/2012 3:25:01 PM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: wizr

Try a search on Nixon and the gold standard. A lot of the price appreciation is dollar inflation.


41 posted on 03/28/2012 3:32:53 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: 1010RD

Public Radio always speaks the truth (/S)


42 posted on 03/28/2012 3:33:42 PM PDT by TYVets (Pure-Gas.org ..... ethanol free gasoline by state and city)
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To: 1010RD

With everything Obama has done to decrease the production of oil on federal lands and in the Gulf and off both coasts, the overall market does not see any future increase in production. The current drilling and production is in spite of Obama’s efforts not because of. Prices dropped when President Bush cut restrictions and encouraged drilling, because that meant more future production. And today we have the continued decline of the dollar in purchasing power, Thus the less value of the dollar, the higher prices go on the international market.


43 posted on 03/28/2012 3:43:09 PM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: 1010RD
Here are two very funny consecutive paragraphs:
When Bush and running mate Dick Cheney campaigned in 2000, they argued that as oil executives they could get oil prices down, with Bush saying, "I would work with our friends in OPEC to convince them to open up the spigot, to increase the supply."

Yet it was during the last few months of Bush's term in 2008 that gas prices hit their highest: $4.27 when adjusted for inflation.
Note the two sneaky things the writers did:

1. They left out how oil had risen to almost $145 per barrel in 2008 and that within six months of Bush announcing that he was opening up new areas for exploration and drilling the per barrel price fell to $32 by the summer of 2009, but before Obama could screw things up.

2. The result of his announcement was gas at $1.60/gallon in the summer of 2009 from which it has climbed relentlessly, with minor fluctuations, ever since and coincident with Barry's anti-U.S. energy policy.
44 posted on 03/28/2012 3:48:11 PM PDT by aruanan
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Every barrel produced here is a barrel not bought from abroad. Its a hundred dollar bill that is spent here instead of deposited into some other country’s treasury. Its an American employed instead of some other country’s workers.

Oil producers buy cars and houses and spend money at the mall, putting everyone else to work. They can do it here, or they can do it in the Persian Gulf. The oil companies make their money either way, drilling here, or drilling over there. Do you want your friends and family to go back to work, or do you want to see millions of unemployed people with no hope of finding a decent job.

Energy is, along with food, water and air, the basic component to national wealth. To refuse to produce energy is to voluntarily choose poverty.


45 posted on 03/28/2012 3:48:31 PM PDT by marron
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

When the price is going up and is expected to keep rising, there’s a lot of drilling.

Then the price comes down as a consequence of greater supply, and drilling stops.

But thanks anyway, Minnesota Public [sic] Radio.

Thanks 1010RD.


46 posted on 03/28/2012 3:51:39 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (I come to bury Caesar, not to praise him)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

And, it’ll be on FactCheck.org, MediaMatters, Kos, Huffin’, Snopes, Wikipedia, the MSM, and every other partisan shill site in no time.


47 posted on 03/28/2012 3:54:01 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (I come to bury Caesar, not to praise him)
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NPR just ask DeBeers Company they only release enough Diamonds to keep prices where they want.


48 posted on 03/28/2012 3:55:13 PM PDT by scooby321
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To: 1010RD

“Any comments?”

Questions:

What is the price of gas in saudi arabia? According to this arguement, it should be the same as in the US.

Why then does every president go begging for saudi arabia to pump more oil every time prices rise?


49 posted on 03/28/2012 3:56:29 PM PDT by Owl558 ("Those who remember George Satayana are doomed to repeat him")
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To: rockinqsranch
Debase your currency and commodity prices increase. The market knows.
50 posted on 03/28/2012 4:01:18 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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