Posted on 04/02/2012 11:26:01 PM PDT by yank in the UK
The question of troop involvement in a possible upcoming Martial Law scenario that is being predicted is no imaginary possibility – nor is it a ‘conspiracy theory’. Other tough questions are being discussed such as, “Will the U.S. government confiscate Gold and Silver in an economic collapse?” and “Will there be a round-up of American Citizens to be put into FEMA Camps?” Many believe that the United Nations will be given authority to step in to keep the peace in any civil unrest or economic collapse. This is a strong possibility. Readers should be familiar with the term ‘Hidden In Plain Sight’. How this applies to the United Nations is simple.
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What it even means after all these years, I couldn't say. But there it is, Montana.
What do you mean “will they”....read some history.
Kent State would be a start.
Would the US military fire upon its own citizens?
Not as it is currently comprised.
However, if the US military eventually weeded out those who are loyal to the American Constitution and the America people then it becomes an open question.
“Kent State would be a start.”
or WACO, Texas. But this time, I doubt the armed forces will still follow Klownie the Kenyan and his sasquatch wife. Most hate him.
“They” certainly will. A bundle of empirical evidence to that effect.
” Will they confiscate gold and silver?”
I don’t have any of that. I do have some brass and lead. I don’t expect they will want that.
Can’t believe we’re even contemplating the idea. What year is this? For that matter what country?
whoah nellie! walk that past me again?
What Good Can a Handgun Do Against An Army?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/2312894/posts
The wrong question.
The right one: “Under what circumstances should American soldiers fire on US citizens, and when should they refuse to do so?”
Let us look at a not totally unlikely scenario.
Next November Obama loses the election to Romney. Massive rioting and murder breaks out across the country. Thousands die and the rioting is ongoing and spreading.
Should National Guard and Army troops refuse to fire on the rioters because they are US citizens?
Ping
Federal troops in LA:
The Los Angeles (LA) riots were the most destructive civil disturbance in US history, causing the deaths of at least 54 people and more than $800 million in property damage throughout LA County.[6] More than 10,000 troops from the California National Guard (CANG), 2000 active component soldiers, and 1500 Marines were deployed to the area at the height of operations:
The 1992 Los Angeles Riots
Lessons in Command and Control from the Los Angeles Riots
Lieutenant Colonel Christopher M. Schnaubelt
1st Battalion, 185th Armor Regiment
“Police officers responded to a domestic dispute, accompanied by marines. They had just gone up to the door when two shotgun birdshot rounds were fired through the door, hitting the officers. One yelled `cover me!’ to the marines, who then laid down a heavy base of fire. . . . The police officer had not meant `shoot’ when he yelled `cover me’ to the marines. [He] meant . . . point your weapons and be prepared to respond if necessary. However, the marines responded instantly in the precise way they had been trained, where `cover me’ means provide me with cover using firepower. . . . over two hundred bullets [were] fired into that house.”
http://www.militarymuseum.org/LARiots1.html
> What do you mean “will they”....read some history.
Kent State would be a start.
The troops that fired at Kent State were not experienced combat veterans. They were just as young and just as scared as the students they faced.
Had they been battlefield experienced, they’d have performed differently.
One thing to consider is that the size of the Federal standing army compared to the size of the population is as aout as low as it’s ever been. Active duty army is 700,000 compard to a population of over 300M? The standing army is mostly deployed overseas anyway.
Some will; most won’t.
Most miilitary ammunition will penitrate the “bullet proof” issued vest at any practical range. Only the heaviest vests with added plates will stop the stuff.
I’m not too sure of the latest steel-core stuff in 5.56mm, but it would certainly be worth a try.
It’s a good chance we might find out—soon.
Some will, some won’t. The feds can always hire foreign mercenaries.
Only if you know nothing of American history. The NYC draft riot was much worse, with somewhere between 120 and 2000 killed. Also much greater destruction of property, if you allow for inflation.
Then there was that little thing at the same time called the Civil War, which was quite a disturbance.
OTOH, its firepower compared to that of the civilian population is greater than ever.
Your story is an excellent example of the difference between police and military. Which is why you should never bring military into a law enforcement role. Only use them when it is actually necessary to suppress rebellion, etc. which is a military role. And when you do, expect them to behave as they have been trained.
OTOH, many of the police are becoming increasingly militarized, which is why we have more and more examples of police overkill.
Not trying to turn this into a North vs. South thread. We’ve already got plenty of those. :)
I just find it intensely irritating that morons can pontificate about how “Today America is more divided than ever!”
Hey, a civil war with death toll that would be the equivalent today of 6M dead Americans is pretty divisive!
I guess they are so solipsistic that anything that happened before they were born just isn’t real to them.
Waco, Ruby Ridge. The same boot licking is going on with the political purging of the military. The officers in charge that allow gays, restrictive ROE, and the prosecution of men in combat will gladly "follow orders".
Well, if we all suck so bad, why don’t you join up and show us how it’s done?
>> The troops that fired at Kent State were not experienced combat veterans. They were just as young and just as scared as the students they faced. Had they been battlefield experienced, they’d have performed differentl
> Waco, Ruby Ridge. The same boot licking is going on with the political purging of the military. The officers in charge that allow gays, restrictive ROE, and the prosecution of men in combat will gladly “follow orders”.
Again NOT COMBAT EXPERIENCED MILITARY. Waco and Ruby Ridge were perpetrated by civilian government uniformed thugs. Think TSA, DHS, FBI, etc. types. Little training for crisis and lots of hormones and bravado. You’d never see this from a properly trained military special ops team trained for intense crisis.
Not in Texas or other red states.
““They” certainly will. A bundle of empirical evidence to that effect.”
Yup “They” will accede to authority, every time.
There are no ghettos in major TX cities?
The closest thing in history is Julius Caesars conquest of Gaul (France). Caesars Armies were greatly(overwhelmingly) outnumbered but still won.
You got that picture just about right. Trying to put UN troops in the US would be like pouring gas on a fire. The US is not the Sudan or some other third world hellhole. I’d be suprised if any country would be eager to send their troops over here to be shot at by every citizen who has an assault weapon and is seeing red when they see a blue helmet.
As for the US troops I believe most of them would not turn on their own people. They are not raised for that.
Finally the US cannot even control the primitives in Afghanistan. What do you think the highly educated americans with sophisticated weapons will do to them on the streets of the US?
An Army of 700,000 is not going to subdue a united population of 300,000,000.
Since roughly half of that 300M is on the "other side," and a very large percentage, possibly a majority, of those "on our side" will go along to get along, the force comparison changes pretty dramatically.
Not even close.
The conquistadors of Mexico and Peru were outnumbered to a much greater extent than JC ever was.
Admittedly, their conquests were facilitated greatly by native rivalries, epidemic disease and resultant social collapse. But we're still talking utterly ridiculous disproportions in manpower.
The British conquered India with forces much less than a ratio of 700,000 to 300M.
Nut-job Conspiracy Theory Ping!
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They’ll get me sooner/later, but if/when SHTF it’s my solemn intention to take out as many of the bastards as possible beforehand.
Good thing Americans are all on the same page...
“United”
Exactly. Clearly half this nation are liberals and at least half of the so-called conservatives would do as their “authorities” ask. Toss in a military beholden to liberals ways of homos and they believe they have the upper hand.
Sure is.
That’s Kent state and not a good example of troops firing on civilians. Those National Guard troops were provoked and were in fear for their lives.
They do want it and will take it but not in the way you'd give it.
And much of the civilian population is scared of guns. I’ve read other sites where they’ve said they’d rather die than have anything to do with them even in a hit the fan situation.
That's why it's better left unsaid, isn't it.
There are true ghettos and the ghetto mentality in Dallas, Ft. Worth, Houston, El Paso, Austin, McAllen, Brownsville, Galveston, Killeen and you'd find many anywhere east of I35. There was the "white flight" out of Dallas in the '70s. There are those generation after generation welfare recipients who haven't been off Galveston Island their entire lives.
is a quote by Isoroku Yamamoto, Commander-in-Chief of the Imperial Japanese Navy during World War II. Of course it was originally stated in Japanese, this is the English translation.
1999 all over again, Michael Rivero, is that you?
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