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SIMMONS: Bill Cosby weighs in on Trayvon Martin case
The Washington Times ^ | April 7, 2012 | Deborah Simmons

Posted on 04/07/2012 12:30:01 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY

“The gun.”

Those two simple words flowed easily from the mouth of social commentator Bill Cosby during an exclusive interview Friday regarding the Trayvon Martin case, arguably the most high-profile, citizen-on-citizen U.S. slaying facing the Obama administration.

Trayvon was killed Feb. 26 in Sanford, Fla., by neighborhood watchman George Zimmerman, who told police that a “confrontation” with the unarmed 17-year-old led him to shoot in self-defense.

Mr. Cosby, a Navy veteran, said “the gun” empowered Mr. Zimmerman, whose actions have stirred a firestorm of debate, protests and remarks from President Obama.

“We’ve got to get the gun out of the hands of people who are supposed to be on neighborhood watch,” said Mr. Cosby, whose remarks were the first he has made publicly about the case.

“Without a gun, I don’t see Mr. Zimmerman approaching Trayvon by himself,” Mr. Cosby explained. “The power-of-the-gun mentality had him unafraid to confront someone. Even police call for backup in similar situations.

“When you carry a gun, you mean to harm somebody, kill somebody,” he said.

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To: alloysteel
It is not like Zimmerman was carrying the weapon, cocked and loaded, at the ready while stalking Martin.

Zimmerman's mistake. No situational awareness, and had he displayed the firearm Martin would have run off, and would still be alive.

51 posted on 04/07/2012 1:16:38 PM PDT by JimRed (Excising a cancer before it kills us waters the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: mylife

“I used to respect you Bill.”

I still do. He’s wrong this time, but he’s been right a lot of the time. I’ve seen his stand up routine, the one on Tv, and I saw him live, once. He had the audience in stitches, without once getting crude. No F word, and no N word.


52 posted on 04/07/2012 1:16:38 PM PDT by Daveinyork
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To: RoadTest

Cosby’s always been a liberal. He doesn’t like thug culture, but that doesn’t make him a conservative.


53 posted on 04/07/2012 1:18:10 PM PDT by Darren McCarty (Time for brokered convention)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

STFU, Bill Cosby.


54 posted on 04/07/2012 1:21:17 PM PDT by WashingtonSource
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I can’t remember the details but I am certain that Cosby was caught in some kind of sex scandal a few years back.

Of course what would ruin a Conservative white guy has just about no effect on a Black leader.


55 posted on 04/07/2012 1:21:46 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: eastforker

pink, is that you Floyd?


56 posted on 04/07/2012 1:22:53 PM PDT by brivette
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To: backwoods-engineer

There a few token, Leftist FReepers that want to accuse Zimmerman that he murdered Martin and disarming the public is the solution!


57 posted on 04/07/2012 1:23:36 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Senile old man who never came off the plantation.

Cosby’s liberal wife has poisoned his aging mind.


58 posted on 04/07/2012 1:26:04 PM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (The TEA Party is my cup of tea.)
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To: melsec

Didn’t the Australian government take the guns away from most Australian citizens some years ago like they did in the UK?


59 posted on 04/07/2012 1:26:43 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: brivette

They say there is a STAIRWAY TO HEAVEN if you just WALK THIS WAY along the BLUE BAYOU but don’t stop of at the HOTEL CALIFORNIA, I hear you will never leave. I also heard you can WALTZ ACROSS TEXAS with ernie to get there


60 posted on 04/07/2012 1:27:12 PM PDT by eastforker (Don't be ornery for Romney, instead Root for Newt!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
It seems to me that if not for his gun it very possibly could have been Zimmerman who would have been killed.. Why do so many insist on weighing in on this without knowing the facts?
61 posted on 04/07/2012 1:28:14 PM PDT by Radix ("..Democrats are holding a meeting today to decide whether to overturn the results of the election.")
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To: Free ThinkerNY; All
While the Zimmerman/Martin ‘white’ on black killing is covered 24/7 on the MSM with an outpouring of rage and charges of a racial hate crime, where is the concern- where is the rage about the home invasion, torture, beating, rape and murder of the elderly white couple by a gang of feral blacks in Oklahoma just a few weeks ago?

The 90 year old war veteran husband was beaten and his jaw broken. He was shot in the face numerous times with a BB gun and sent to the hospital in critical condition.

The 85 year old partially blind wife was RAPED and then BEATEN TO DEATH.

Can you just imagine the pain, the humiliation, the horror that dear old lady experienced being gang raped by that pack of feral animals?

(the autopsy states she was raped. Don’t think all of these animals didn’t all participate)

And can you imagine the pain, the horror of that dear old husband having to witness this?

There’s a lot more involved here than a home invasion and robbery.

WHERE ARE THE CHARGES OF A RACIAL HATE CRIME??

90 year old husband’s jaw broken and shot in face with a BB gun numerous times?

85 wife year old semi blind wife RAPED and BEATEN to death??

Why does it take a foreign press to enlighten America as to this henious crime?

Where is the outrage?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2117695/Brutal-home-invasion-Oklahoma-couple-ends-65-year-romance-meeting-blind-date.html


62 posted on 04/07/2012 1:28:49 PM PDT by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine
disarming the public is the solution!

Well, these interlopers--and the Left--need to understand one thing: if they attempt to disarm us, we will kill them. It is as simple as that.

That is what our Founders did when the British regulars attempted to disarm their community on April 19, 1775, and while I draw a breath, my miserable life will be spent to emulate their courage. I will never be up to their level, but I will not surrender to disarmament, either.

63 posted on 04/07/2012 1:30:00 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (I will vote against ANY presidential candidate who had non-citizen parents.)
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To: GreatOne

If I remember correctly, Cosby’s son was killed by a car jacker who came to this country from Russia (I believe).

After the murder, Cosby’s wife made the comment about the killer, “America taught him to hate.”


64 posted on 04/07/2012 1:31:07 PM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (The TEA Party is my cup of tea.)
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To: umgud
Martin later approached Zimmerman.

According to Zimmerman.

65 posted on 04/07/2012 1:31:17 PM PDT by Thunderballer
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Mr. Cosby explained. “The power-of-the-gun mentality had him unafraid to confront someone."

That was the original rationale for gun control laws in America. Keep guns out of the hands of blacks so they wouldn't have the confidence to "confront" white people. Especially white people with hoods on.

66 posted on 04/07/2012 1:32:31 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: al baby

I remember when his son was killed.


67 posted on 04/07/2012 1:34:15 PM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife ("For the sake of our party we must stand united, whoever our nominee is."-Sarah Palin)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

From Mr. Cosby: “When you carry a gun, you mean to harm somebody, kill somebody,” he said.

Uh...Nope, Bill. When I carry, it’s because I believe there may be some situation that requires me to defend my family, my property, my own life, or the life or safety of someone else. Even when I WAS a cop, I never carried ANY weapon with the intention of hurting or killing someone else.
The same goes for my friends and acquaintances who choose to carry.

Mr. Cosby has let his academic and theatrical elitism take over his formerly clear thinking mind.


68 posted on 04/07/2012 1:36:07 PM PDT by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2013: Change we can look forward to.)
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To: backwoods-engineer

Even Leftist FReepers?


69 posted on 04/07/2012 1:37:46 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine
Even Leftist FReepers?

Even Leftist FReepers.

You with me?

70 posted on 04/07/2012 1:40:27 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (I will vote against ANY presidential candidate who had non-citizen parents.)
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To: backwoods-engineer

I’m with ya! Live free or die!


71 posted on 04/07/2012 1:42:32 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: WakeUpAndVote
“When you carry a gun, you mean to harm somebody, kill somebody,” he said.

I'm sorry folks, but I must agree with Bill Cosby on this. Zimmerman did not need to be carrying a gun.

72 posted on 04/07/2012 1:44:26 PM PDT by tommix2 (,)
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To: tommix2
I'm sorry folks, but I must agree with Bill Cosby on this. Zimmerman did not need to be carrying a gun.

It was his right, If he felt a need then it was his call. NOT YOURS.

73 posted on 04/07/2012 1:46:14 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Raycpa

If people could always be in teams of two, maybe such things wouldn’t happen. Zimmerman did call for backup but was attacked before the cops could arrive - something Cosby doesn’t seem to realize. If Z had stayed in his vehicle he might have been safe but he might not have been able to tell the cops exactly where he was either.

Pretty sad, though, if the best the people calling for Zimmerman dead or alive can offer is that Zimmerman would have been safe if he always had somebody else with him. It’s sort of like saying that an old lady walking out alone at night is asking to be raped because the black gangstas just can’t help themselves, any more than feral animals can help themselves...

The argument that an unarmed person wouldn’t have the bravado to confront somebody else is interesting in light of the fact that Trayvon was unarmed and still attacked Zimmerman. If it wasn’t a gun that gave him the bravado then what was it? Drugs? If so, then it probably didn’t matter what Zimmerman did, because he was attacked by somebody stoned who was gonna do whatever he was gonna do anyway.


74 posted on 04/07/2012 1:48:18 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: yarddog
With me and I have learned, with others one tends to be much more polite because an armed individual doesn’t want to get involved in a situation where he has to use the weapon."

Bingo!!

75 posted on 04/07/2012 1:49:07 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: backwoods-engineer
Neighborhood Watch is a Federal program, and is NOT YOUR FRIEND. If you are forming a neighborhood defense group, do NOT call it Neighborhood Watch.

Really?

Boy, ya learn something new everyday.

76 posted on 04/07/2012 1:51:25 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: WakeUpAndVote
Next, I'll be a racist for disagreeing with him.

No, your being White automatically makes you racist. Your viewpoint only affects the degree of your racism.

77 posted on 04/07/2012 1:52:24 PM PDT by Repeal 16-17 (Let me know when the Shooting starts.)
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To: backwoods-engineer
Neighborhood Watch is a Federal program, and is NOT YOUR FRIEND. If you are forming a neighborhood defense group, do NOT call it Neighborhood Watch.

Really?

Boy, ya learn something new everyday.

78 posted on 04/07/2012 1:53:21 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Repeal 16-17
No, your being White Republican automatically makes you racist. Your viewpoint only affects the degree of your racism.

Fixed.

79 posted on 04/07/2012 1:55:53 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: mylife

Where did all these anti gun, pro Trayvon people come from?

They must have some secret handshake or signal so they will all start posting at the same time with virtually the same nonsense.


80 posted on 04/07/2012 1:56:35 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Cosby has a point, but is still wrong.

His point is that for some people, guns are equated with machismo. They think that a gun empowers them, and makes them dominant in a confrontation. This is not true, and can get you in a lot of trouble.

Ask any police officer, and they will say that a gun does no such thing. You can only do three things with a gun: keep it in its holster, brandish it, and shoot someone with it. But most situations are far more complex than that.

This is why many police *adore* Tasers. They fill the huge gap between the three “gun modes”, and as such are an invaluable tool in confrontations.

But at the same time, Cosby is wrong, because he is *assuming* that Zimmerman confronted Martin. Evidence points to just the opposite, that Zimmerman backed away from confrontation, and Martin returned to confront him, attacked him, and finally, on seeing Zimmerman’s gun, tried to grab it, making Martin entirely at fault for getting shot.

In a typical situation, *especially* if you are armed, in almost all cases, it is best if you act like you did not have a gun. A concealed carry weapon is an excellent “reactive” and “thoughtful” weapon. It can give you the grace to think first and plan its use, or decide to not use it.

And you lose a huge advantage if you draw it early and brandish it. If it stays hidden, you *do* have a lot of control in a situation, even if it doesn’t appear so.

According to accounts, Zimmerman’s worst failure was that he lost “situational awareness” of Martin, that allowed Martin to “close the gap” and punch Zimmerman on the face.

This makes sense, because Martin’s football training used rushing for both defense and offense. When in such a situation, it is common for them to charge. The “knock ‘em down and start punching them”, technique.

The forensic evidence in this case will likely be conclusive. If Martin was shot on the level, while standing up, with little residue on his clothing, Zimmerman is guilty of voluntary homicide. If Martin was straddling Zimmerman and the bullet hit him vertically, with considerable residue on his clothes, Zimmerman was defending himself.


81 posted on 04/07/2012 1:59:22 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("It is already like a government job," he said, "but with goats." -- Iranian goat smuggler)
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To: yarddog

A lot of people are scared of guns, but don’t understand that just about anything can be a lethal weapon.


82 posted on 04/07/2012 2:01:55 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: patriot08
The 90 year old war veteran husband was beaten and his jaw broken. He was shot in the face numerous times with a BB gun and sent to the hospital in critical condition.

This man should have had a gun handy for self defense before the home invasion. I recently visited an old man in his home and he showed me that he had a loaded gun in every room for self defense. Home invasions would cease if more people protcted themselves like this.

83 posted on 04/07/2012 2:02:11 PM PDT by tommix2 (,)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

“When you carry a gun, you mean to harm somebody, kill somebody,” he said.” - Bill Cosby, black comedian

Americans carry guns because they know “it is their right and duty to be at all times armed” - Thomas Jefferson, Founder

Easy choice, IMHO.


84 posted on 04/07/2012 2:02:29 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."...the public interest)
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To: Yorktownpatriot
Mr. Cosby and many other gun-grabbing hypocrites, can afford bodyguards and armed security at their rsidence and workplace. While doing armed security with a company that also has PPO's (Personal Protection Officers aka bodyguards) in Dallas, I saw many anti-gun celebrities, including hip-hop stars paying our firm to keep the riff-raff away from them and protect them. The Hunger Games is more documentary than science fiction.
85 posted on 04/07/2012 2:03:43 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Ich habe keinen Konig aber Gott)
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To: mylife

He’s come out as a lefty racist before. I’m not surprised.


86 posted on 04/07/2012 2:05:06 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Free ThinkerNY

“When you carry a gun, you mean to harm somebody, kill somebody,” he said.”

Of course. I intend to kill attackers. So, what?


87 posted on 04/07/2012 2:05:32 PM PDT by CodeToad (I'm so right-wing if I lifted my left leg I'd go into a spin.)
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To: melsec

“we do not carry guns in Australia”

Too right! You gave them up, willingly.

Not meaning to harsh, but Aussies came from a different cultural history than Americans.

We are citizens, and you are subjects, until a moment ago.


88 posted on 04/07/2012 2:06:32 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."...the public interest)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
“When you carry a gun, you mean to harm somebody, kill somebody,” he said.

Bull****! When you carry a gun, you prevent someone else from harming, killing you. Sorry Billy.

89 posted on 04/07/2012 2:07:59 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (The libs don't want to save da planit. If they did, they'd boycott BIG oil and petroleum products.)
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To: mylife

Bill Cosby changed his stance on gun control after his son was killed by a thug wielding a gun. Personally I give the guy a lot of respect to have gone through what he has. Just like the Brady Bill, Bill Cosby’s opinion came because of being a victim of a thug who illegally shot another.


90 posted on 04/07/2012 2:22:21 PM PDT by zaxtres
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To: GladesGuru; melsec
Australia and Canada are among the 15 independent nations of the Commonwealth Realm. That means we all recognize Queen Elizabeth II as our Head of State.

In the time since the American Revolution, the powers of the Monarch have steadily decreased. It's largely a ceremonial and symbolic position now. Parliament is supreme.

OTOH, in the last few years, your Head of State (and Head of Government) has increasingly taken on the trappings of an absolute ruler. Congress has been diminished. The SCOTUS was recently attacked.

91 posted on 04/07/2012 2:41:40 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: zaxtres

The logic is extremely flawed though. Taking guns away from law abiding citizens just puts more power in the hands of criminals. It’s hard to respect muddled thinking like that.


92 posted on 04/07/2012 2:42:16 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: Darren McCarty

I guess I misread him all along.


93 posted on 04/07/2012 2:43:23 PM PDT by RoadTest (There is one god, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.)
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To: Roccus
"Did you ever see a white male portrayed as anything but a criminal or an idiot on the Cosby Show?"

Even the little fat kid was a joke.

94 posted on 04/07/2012 2:44:12 PM PDT by CatherineofAragon (I can haz Romney's defeat?)
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To: Roccus
Did you ever see a white male portrayed as anything but a criminal or an idiot on the Cosby Show?

Hey, now, Adam Sandler was on the Cosby Show, and....oh...wait...

95 posted on 04/07/2012 2:51:16 PM PDT by Future Snake Eater (If we had a President, he'd look like Newt.)
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To: zaxtres

How do you know what Cosby’s views on gun control prior to his Son’s murder?

Are you and Cosby close friends?


96 posted on 04/07/2012 2:54:37 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: zaxtres

How do you know what Cosby’s views on gun control prior to his Son’s murder?

Are you and Cosby close friends?


97 posted on 04/07/2012 2:54:52 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Let's suppose that Zimmerman didn't have a gun and Martin beat his brains out on the pavement. Would we have ever heard of this at all? Similar events occur every day. Judging by the number of states that now allow concealed carry and the growing number of citizens choosing to arm themselves, many of us are tired of being victimized by thugs.
One has to wonder how many gangsta's may have been deterred by what happened to Martin.
98 posted on 04/07/2012 3:04:03 PM PDT by Malone LaVeigh
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Mr. Cosby: “When you carry a gun, you mean to harm somebody, kill somebody,” he said.
Yup... If you try to hurt, maim, rape, or kill me or my family.... You’re room temp.


99 posted on 04/07/2012 3:06:32 PM PDT by baddog 219
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To: mylife

In only reading the snip..Cosby has a point. Fair enough that maybe Mr Zimmerman may not been brave enough to approach Trayvon Martin. But the bottom line here is that Trayvon had chosen the path of a drug dealer...that he is dead is not unexpected. It is just the shooter and the location. Had he been in ‘da hood, there wouldn’t have been a peep from the media


100 posted on 04/07/2012 3:07:08 PM PDT by Ouderkirk (Democrats...the party of Slavery, Segregation, Sodomy, and Sedition)
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