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Evangelicals will vote for Mormon Mitt Romney, says Southern Baptist leader
Daily Caller ^ | 4/11/2012 | Carolline May

Posted on 04/11/2012 6:54:38 PM PDT by svxdave

Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney will have little trouble courting the evangelical vote, Southern Baptist Convention leader Richard Land told The Daily Caller during a Wednesday interview.

“I don’t think Romney will have any kind of a problem — unless he picks a non-social conservative running mate — he should be okay,” Land, president of Southern Baptist Convention’s Ethics and Religious Liberty Committee, said about concerns that Romney’s Mormon faith could turn off evangelicals.

According to Land, evangelicals are extremely concerned about the possibility of a second Obama term and are energized to vote against him.

Land cited Obama’s hot mic moment with outgoing Russian President Dmitry Medvedev, in which Obama said he would have “more flexibility” after the election to discuss issues like missile defense, as one reason for evangelical anti-Obama sentiment.

“I cannot tell you how important that Russia comment was because it feeds into the fears that evangelicals have that there is a radical inside Obama that is straining to get out and once he doesn’t have to ever face the voters again — the day after the election they are going to be confronted with a Jekyll and Hyde situation,” he said. “Whatever concerns they have about Romney pale in comparison to their worries about a second Obama term.”

While evangelicals might be okay with voting for a Mormon, Land said that the media will likely make a big deal out of Romney’s faith to draw independents away from the former governor.

“[The Media] are going to trot out every exotic belief of Mormonism you can find. Baptism of the dead, etc., in the hopes that the strangeness of it will drive independents away from Romney,” he said.

Ads by Google In Defense of Mormons Connect With Other Mormons Online. Photos, Testimonials, Email & More! www.LDSsingles.com Land explained that most evangelicals are already well aware of Mormon teachings — pastors often teach about the Book of Mormon as an inoculation against door-to-door Mormon missionaries. Independents, he said, are likely not as aware of certain unorthodox beliefs.

When asked if he believes evangelicals will have a problem voting for Romney, Land responded, “I don’t.” He added, however, that if Romney picks a pro-choice, non-social conservative running mate he will face more difficulties courting that vote.

The potential vice presidential candidate that would give Romney the biggest boost, according to Land, would be noted pro-life Florida Sen. Marco Rubio.

Land also mentioned Virginia Gov. Bob McDonnell, Ohio Sen. Rob Portman, Wisconsin Rep. Paul Ryan, former GOP presidential candidate Rick Santorum and New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie as acceptable running mate options.

Land asserted that a person’s faith does play a role in their decision-making process and that he anticipates Romney’s Mormon faith will inform his decisions if elected. To Land that’s not a problem.

“Most the Mormons I know are decent, God-fearing, honest people,” he said. “I think that Romney, as a serious Mormon is far less likely to have any sexual scandals than a person who wasn’t a person of faith. He is far more likely to keep his word. Far more likely to be a role model than were he a person of no faith. I think most Americans like having a president who is aware and acknowledges he is accountable to a higher authority than himself.”

“If his Mormonism informs his policies he will be pro-life, he’s going to be pro-family, pro-traditional marriage, so far what’s the problem?” Land said.

Land does not endorse political candidates.


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To: RC one; Waryone
I’d rather have Romney picking judges than Obama and control of the senate may ultimately come down to the VP. There’s an extensive list of things I dislike about Romney but the list of things I dislike about Obama is longer so the lesser of two evils is clear to me.

Well, you lose with Romney on that issue as well given Romney's record on judicial appointments.

He appointed 27 left-wing, Progressive Democrats or Independents out of 36 appointments.

Legal analysts say candidate Romney is different from Gov. Romney.

Liberty Counsel Action Vice President Matt Barber said Romney’s appointments were constitutional “living document” poster children.

“Many of Romney’s appointments were not only liberal, not only Democrats, but were radical counter-constitutionalists. How on earth can we expect that, as president, he would be any different?” Barber asked rhetorically.

“Actions speak louder than words, and Mitt Romney’s actions as governor scream from the rooftops that he cannot be trusted with this most important of presidential responsibilities.”

Barber cites two specific examples of Romney’s radical appointments.

“As governor of Massachusetts, Mitt Romney not only failed in this regard, he appointed a number of very liberal, if not radical, ‘living, breathing’-minded judges to the bench,” Barber said.

“Two that come to mind were extreme homosexualists Marianne C. Hinkle and Stephen Abany,” he said. “They both had a long history of pro-gay activism, yet Romney didn’t hesitate to put them on the bench.”

“These are people who outrageously believe the postmodern notion that newfangled ‘gay rights’ trump our constitutionally guaranteed First Amendment rights,” he said.

Baldwin agreed, citing Romney’s statements about the two requirements he actually used when selecting judges.

“Romney did focus on two criteria: their legal experience and whether they would be tough on crime. In other words, the nominee could be a gay activist or a pro-big government, pro-quota, pro-gun control Democrat Party hack who detests every judicial principle treasured by our founding fathers,” Baldwin said. “But if he happens to be tough on crime and have prosecutorial experience, he gets past the Romney filter. Many of Romney’s nominees fit that description.”

Baldwin added that Romney did have some ideological criteria for many of his nominees:

“It was criteria commonly used by the left. For starters, his nominees were mostly pro-abortion. Indeed, while campaigning for governor in 2002, Romney told the National Abortion Rights Action League (NARAL) that his judicial nominees would more likely protect abortion rights than would those of a Democrat Governor, according to notes from a person attending this meeting.”

Another Romney criteria, Baldwin explained, was “diversity.”

“The other criteria consistently emphasized by Gov. Romney in deciding judicial selections was ‘diversity.’ This is the silly notion that judgeships should reflect the population in terms of race and gender and even sexual orientation, regardless of a person’s judicial philosophy,” he said. “Clearly, the use of diversity quotas demonstrates Romney’s lack of a coherent conservative worldview.”

51 posted on 04/11/2012 8:15:54 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: svxdave

I imagine I’ll be an ABO voter, but Gingrich is still in the race, so all this talk is still premature. OK, it’s a long shot, but while there is still hope, we shouldn’t give it up.


52 posted on 04/11/2012 8:19:36 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: RC one
I’d rather have Romney picking judges than Obama and control of the senate may ultimately come down to the VP.

Do you always sort these things out by way of "wishing away" facts of the historical past?

From Worldnetdaily: The Boston Globe confirmed that as a so-called “Republican” governor of Massachusetts, Mitt Romney appointed 14 Democrats, 13 Independents and only 9 Republicans as judges. That’s 27 of 36, or 3 of every 4, Romney judges that are liberal. So if President Romney someday appoints even one Supreme Court Justice, there’s a 75 percent chance they’ll vote with Kagan and Sotomayor 100 percent of the time. If we wouldn’t trust Romney himself on the Supreme Court, why let him appoint more Massachusetts Democrats to the federal bench?

You're crazy to put your trust in this kind of a track record! [Vote third-party]

There’s an extensive list of things I dislike about Romney but the list of things I dislike about Obama is longer so the lesser of two evils is clear to me.

Yeah, we know, we know. You're going to train your kids & your grandkids & everybody around you by your words-and-actions to ALWAYS vote for the (r) guy 'cause he's more conservative than the (d) guy...and that way when your kids & grandkids vote...say in the 2036 election...they'll be voting for a guy to the left of Obama...just 'cause he's an (r) guy and you always stand behind the "establishment."

...lesser of two evils

Does this mean you'd vote for a reincarnated Hitler if he was the (r) guy running vs. THE (d) Anti-Christ???

Do you always go around promoting self-confessed "evil?" Do you normally tell your kids to "ethically" combat "evil" with "evil?"

53 posted on 04/11/2012 8:19:42 PM PDT by Colofornian ( It's not even 'conservative convictions' be damned anymore; they've ALREADY BEEN anathematized.)
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To: SoConPubbie

Wow, how is voting for the lesser of 2 evils giving up my faith? Sorry, your way off base! My “Faith” is Salvation by Grace Alone, Thru Faith Alone, in Christ Alone.

Voting for someone who holds non Christian platforms but is be better for the country amd maintains the Church’s freedom is the least of 2 evils.

We are not voting for a New Pastor! Obviously, i would never vote for a PASTOR who held to gay marriage or pro abortion.

If ALL your allegations are true, I would still vote for him over Obama. Remember, lesser of 2 evils?

You are confused about why your voting. Your argument leads me to believe you can only vote for a born again Christian.


54 posted on 04/11/2012 8:21:19 PM PDT by bkaycee
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To: svxdave

Is this guy uninformed or compromised? I belong to an Evangellical Free church and their is no way Romney is getting my vote.


55 posted on 04/11/2012 8:21:25 PM PDT by Linda Frances (Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness.)
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To: Kansas58; SoConPubbie
There is no mathematical way that anyone else can win this thing.

You'll see poll-wise by October, that there's "no mathematical way" for Romney to win...

Even in polls this week, Romney's losing MA 56-41% in one poll. That's his home!

56 posted on 04/11/2012 8:21:32 PM PDT by Colofornian ( It's not even 'conservative convictions' be damned anymore; they've ALREADY BEEN anathematized.)
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To: bkaycee

Voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil.


57 posted on 04/11/2012 8:23:07 PM PDT by Linda Frances (Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness.)
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To: svxdave

20 percent won’t vote for Willard - just like polls have shown for a decade.


58 posted on 04/11/2012 8:24:33 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (I wouldn’t vote for Romney for dog catcher if he was in a three way race against Lenin and Marx!)
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To: llandres; MtnClimber
Romney can be controlled...

(yeah, by his Mormon "prophet"...and if ya wanna figure where that might lead...review the chart below!)

Lds Leader Chronological 'Prophet' or Fundamental # (or Other Title) Overlap Areas: Could the President of the U.S. become a 'puppet' to an Lds 'Prophet?' (The Lds Prophets -- in their own words)
John Taylor Lds 'Prophet' #3 “The Almighty has established this kingdom with order and laws and every thing pertaining thereto…[so] that when the nations shall be convulsed, we may stand forth as saviours…and finally redeem a ruined world, not only in a religious but in a political point of view.” (Journal of Discourses, vol. 9, p. 342, April 13, 1862)
Orson Hyde President of the Lds Quorum of the 12 Apostles for 28 years (1847-1875) “What the world calls ‘Mormonism’ will rule every nation...God has decreed it, and his own right arm will accomplish it. This will make the heathen rage.” (Journal of Discourses, vol. 7, p. 53)
Heber J. Grant Lds 'Prophet' #7 "Elder Marion G. Romney recalled the counsel of President Heber J. Grant: 'My boy, you always keep your eye on the President of the Church, and if he ever tells you to do anything, and it is wrong, and you do it, the Lord will bless you for it.' Then with a twinkle in his eye, he said, 'But you don't need to worry. The Lord will never let his mouthpiece lead the people astray'" (in Conference Report, Oct. 1960, p. 78)." Cited in Official Lds publication Search the Commandments: Melchizedek Priesthood Personal Study Guide, p. 209 (1984)
Harold B. Lee Lds 'Prophet' #11 ...President Harold B. Lee said: 'We must learn to give heed to the words and commandments that the Lord shall give through his prophet, '...as if from mine own mouth...(D&C 21:4-5)...You may not like what comes from the authority of the Church. It may contradict your political views. It may contradict your social views. It may interfere with some of your social life. But if you listen to these things, as if from the mouth of the Lord himself..." Cited in official Lds publication Remember Me: Relief Society Personal Study Guide I, p. 27 (1989)
Spencer Kimball Lds 'Prophet' #12 "President Spencer W. Kimball said: '...We deal with many things which are thought to be not so spiritual; but all things are spiritual with the Lord, and he expects us to listen, and to obey..." (In Conference Report, Apr. 1977, p. 8; or Ensign, May 1977, p. 7) Cited in official Lds publication Come, Follow Me: Melchizedek Priesthood Personal Study Guide 1983, p.12 (1983)
What about Marion G. Romney, cousin to Mitt's father? Who was he in Lds hierarchy? (Title: 'President' - Top 3 of church as 2nd counselor to both #11 & #12 Lds 'prophets') "Elder Neal A. Maxwell has said: 'Following the living prophets is something that must be done in all seasons and circumstances. We must be like President Marion G. Romney, who humbly said, '..I have never hesitated to follow the counsel of the Authorities of the Church even though it crossed my social, professional, and political life' (Conference Report, April 1941, p. 123). There are, or will be moments when prophetic declarations collide with our pride or our seeming personal interests...Do I believe in the living prophet even when he speaks on matters affecting me and my specialty directly? Or do I stop sustaining the prophet when his words fall in my territory? if the latter, the prophet is without honor in our country! (Things As They Really Are, p. 73). Cited in official Lds publication, Search the Commandments: Melchizedek Priesthood Personal Study Guide, pp. 275-276 (1984)
Ezra Taft Benson Lds 'Prophet' #13 Benson speech given 2/26/80 @BYU. Summary: “…remember, if there is ever a conflict between earthly knowledge and the words of the prophet, you stand with the prophet…” (See excerpts re: 3 of 14 'fundamentals' below) Source: Fourteen Fundamentals in Following the Prophet
Benson (cont'd) Fundamental #5 5. The prophet is not required to have any particular earthly training or credentials to speak on any subject or act on any matter at any time. (My Q: Ya hear that Mitt Romney?)
Benson (cont'd) Fundamental #9 9. The prophet can receive revelation on any matter, temporal or spiritual. (My Q: Still listening, Mitt?)
Benson (cont'd) Fundamental #10 10. The prophet may advise on civic matters. (My Q: What say ye Mitt?)
B.H. Roberts LDS Historian and Seventy. Note: Roberts was an elected Democratic Congressman from Utah in 1898 -- but was NEVER seated by Congress because of grass roots uproar vs. Roberts, who took a THIRD simultaneous wife in the early 1890s. Grass roots America collected 7 MILLION signatures on 28 banners and presented them to Congress...in pre-mass media 1800s! “[T]he kingdom of God... is to be a POLITICAL INSTITUTION THAT SHALL HOLD SWAY OVER ALL THE EARTH; TO WHICH ALL OTHER GOVERNMENTS WILL BE SUBORDINATE AND BY WHICH THEY WILL BE DOMINATED.” The Rise and Fall of Nauvoo, 1900, p. 180
Mitt Romney as POTUS??? Aside from above prophetic impositions, why would Mitt not only honor what these 'prophets' have spoken, but what a future Lds 'prophet' may tell him to do? The Law of Consecration Oath Mitt Romney has sworn in the Mormon temple (done before marriage/sealing in temple): "You and each of you covenant and promise before God, angels, and these witnesses at this altar, that you do accept the law of consecration as contained in this, the book of Doctrine and Covenants [he displays the book], in that you do consecrate yourselves, your time, talents, and EVERYTHING with which the Lord has blessed you, or WITH which he MAY bless you, to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, for the building up of the kingdom of God on the earth and for the establishment of Zion." Source: What is an LDS Church/Mormon temple marriage/sealing? [Q: Please define 'Zion': The LDS PR Web site (lds.org) defines its primary meaning: "membership in the [LDS] church."]

59 posted on 04/11/2012 8:24:40 PM PDT by Colofornian ( It's not even 'conservative convictions' be damned anymore; they've ALREADY BEEN anathematized.)
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To: bkaycee; SoConPubbie
Wow, how is voting for the lesser of 2 evils giving up my faith?

Read the bottom of post #53...applies to you as well...

60 posted on 04/11/2012 8:25:50 PM PDT by Colofornian ( It's not even 'conservative convictions' be damned anymore; they've ALREADY BEEN anathematized.)
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To: bkaycee
You are confused about why your voting. Your argument leads me to believe you can only vote for a born again Christian.

My argument is loud and clear.

I'll leave it to you and other compromisers/cowards to quit and run-up the white flag of surrender before the battle has been finished. There are 46% of the delegates to be won and you are promoting the only candidate who cannot win because of his left-wing record and purporting to be a conservative at the same time.

I don't vote for lying, left-wing Progressive Liberals (Romney) or Crypto-Communists.

I am with Alexander Hamilton:

"If we must have an enemy at the head of Government, let it be one whom we can oppose, and for whom we are not responsible, who will not involve our party in the disgrace of his foolish and bad measures." - Alexander Hamilton
61 posted on 04/11/2012 8:29:07 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: SoConPubbie; Colofornian

Like I said, I don’t like him but I recognize that he was the governor of Massachusetts, probably the most liberal state in the country and the fact remains, I would rather have Romney picking judges than Obama and I would rather have a republican VP in case the senate ends in a tie. You justify your choice however you want but I have been committed to defeating Obama since his primary battle with Hillary Clinton and I remain 100% committed to seeing him defeated. That’s my bottom line- beat Obama. Nothing else matters to me. nothing.


62 posted on 04/11/2012 8:32:16 PM PDT by RC one (committed to defeating Obama since his primary battle with Clinton and I remain committed)
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To: Linda Frances

When Jesus is on the ballot you will have a point. Until then, nobody is perfect.


63 posted on 04/11/2012 8:32:16 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: Linda Frances

So your not voting? Have you ever voted?


64 posted on 04/11/2012 8:33:16 PM PDT by bkaycee
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To: Kansas58
It is your ego speaking, you have no chance of any other person getting the Nomination but Romney, at this point.

Sorry, but there is an equal chance that Romney does not get the nomination as well, and you know it.

Quit pimping Romney on a conservative site dedicated to his defeat when you know there are still 46% of the delegates to be won, either that or quit pretending to be a conservative.

I say that because if you really were a conservative and knowing Romney's left-wing, Progressive Liberal record as you surely do, then the last thing you would do as a sincere conservative is give his cause any aid and comfort when the race was still on, furthermore, a sincere conservative would never vote for him no matter if the Anti-Christ was truly running as the current hyperbole on your side suggests.
65 posted on 04/11/2012 8:34:01 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: Linda Frances

not voting for the lesser of two evils is more evil.


66 posted on 04/11/2012 8:34:29 PM PDT by RC one (committed to defeating Obama since his primary battle with Clinton and I remain committed)
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To: RC one
You justify your choice however you want but I have been committed to defeating Obama...

(yeah & you or your legacy of kids/grandkids will eventually vote for somebody to the left of Obama 'cause they are committed to defeating somebody worse...relativism is straight from hell...and it's sad to see conservatives become hell's pawns)

67 posted on 04/11/2012 8:36:57 PM PDT by Colofornian ( It's not even 'conservative convictions' be damned anymore; they've ALREADY BEEN anathematized.)
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To: bkaycee; Linda Frances
So your not voting? Have you ever voted?

Another mean-spirited, dishonest, deceitful post by the one proclaiming to be a Born-Again Christian.

There are other options available to Born-Again Christians unwilling to sacrifice their obediance to God's commands, mainly voting for an actual conservative or writing in someone.

But why continue the charade bkaycee as to be a conservative: there are still 46% of the delegates to be won and you are posting on a conservative website devoted to the defeat of Romney and supporting a lying, left-wing, Progressive Liberal.

A real Born-Again Christian and/or conservative would not be giving aid and comfort to the enemy when the battle was still in play, instead, they'd be doing everything in their power to defeat the enemy, talking to everyone in their life about the truth about Romney and not giving a hint about any support to Romney.

Why are you here?
68 posted on 04/11/2012 8:38:48 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: RC one; Linda Frances
not voting for the lesser of two evils is more evil.

Translation: It'd be more evil to avoid voting for a reincarnated Hitler if he ran vs. THE anti-Christ than to not vote for either.

(You'd been a handy PR guy for many an evil man)

69 posted on 04/11/2012 8:38:53 PM PDT by Colofornian ( It's not even 'conservative convictions' be damned anymore; they've ALREADY BEEN anathematized.)
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To: SoConPubbie

Who are you voting for? Newt? Ron Paul?


70 posted on 04/11/2012 8:40:27 PM PDT by bkaycee
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To: Kansas58; Linda Frances
When Jesus is on the ballot you will have a point. Until then, nobody is perfect.

Translation: "I can vote for any politician -- no matter their track record -- because ALL of them happen to be less perfect than Jesus!"

(How'd ya like Kansas58's latest justification!)

71 posted on 04/11/2012 8:40:53 PM PDT by Colofornian ( It's not even 'conservative convictions' be damned anymore; they've ALREADY BEEN anathematized.)
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To: bkaycee
Who are you voting for? Newt? Ron Paul?

The only reliable conservative still in the race, Newt.
72 posted on 04/11/2012 8:41:46 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: SoConPubbie
A combat officer, knowing he is facing defeat and the certain death of his ENTIRE Army, is not a coward or a “traitor” to admit this fact, and negotiate terms with the enemy.

Likewise, when the United States faced down Hitler, we made an alliance with Stalin that was uncomfortable and hurt us later on, in many ways, but was STILL absolutely necessary at the time.

Likewise, when we were in a Cold War with the USSR, we supported the Taliban in Afghanistan.

STRATEGY trumps ego.

STRATEGY trumps pride.

SURVIVAL is the most important strategy, the will to live on so that we can FIGHT on another day!

Obama is ruthless.

Obama knows that he must destroy our ability to fight.

Obama wants to destroy the profit motive, and make it impossible to raise money to fight Socialism.

Obama wants to destroy our Religious Liberty.

I do not “pimp” Romney, but the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Our nation might not survive much longer.

Our nation has a better chance at survival, with Romney, than it does with Obama as President.

I am not thrilled at the idea of Romney as the nominee, but he will win Kansas no matter what I do.

I will work on House and Senate and LEGISLATIVE races, where I can help.

I see no positive gain in the Conservative movement by bashing Romney.

However, you are being dishonest when you claim that I have promoted or “pimped” Romney.

I have not done so here, at all.

I simply bash Obama.

Obama is worse, on EVERY issue, than Romney.

73 posted on 04/11/2012 8:48:23 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: Colofornian

and you would make a handy PR guy for a group of fifth column traitors.


74 posted on 04/11/2012 8:50:37 PM PDT by RC one (committed to defeating Obama since his primary battle with Clinton and I remain committed)
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To: Kansas58

“No, I am not happy, but Romney does not hate my country.
Obama DOES hate my country. It is not a hard choice. Our backs are against the wall and our country can not survive another 4 years of Obama!”

That’s the God’s truth, Kansas. The Left’s been winning because, whether they’re pleased with BHO or not, they keep their eye on the prize with the unified goal of throttling us and keeping the Kenyan in power to dismantle our country.

If we put SAVING it ahead of our personal differences, we may have a real shot at ridding America of the evil that is BHO - an extreme radical and Islamist who hates America and is on an obvious mission to destroy us and our allies.


75 posted on 04/11/2012 8:52:20 PM PDT by llandres (Forget the "New America" - restore the original one!!)
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To: Colofornian; All

Ridiculous distortions and you know it.

The fact is, EVERY election is a choice between the lessor of evils.

EVERY election since the first ballot was ever cast!


76 posted on 04/11/2012 8:52:31 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: Diogenesis
Romney has absolutely NO chance. NONE

Another Obama supporter exposed.

77 posted on 04/11/2012 8:53:42 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: SoConPubbie
There are other options available to Born-Again Christians unwilling to sacrifice their obediance to God's commands, mainly voting for an actual conservative or writing in someone.
God cammands us to vote for an actual conservative or a write candidate? Really?? Where is that in the Bible? I am here to help defeat Obama. You?
78 posted on 04/11/2012 8:53:58 PM PDT by bkaycee
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To: Kansas58
Obama is worse, on EVERY issue, than Romney.

I repeat the question I asked earlier of you, which GOP-E associated organization or Romney associated organization are you working with?
79 posted on 04/11/2012 8:54:15 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: svxdave

Milt believes he’s a High Priest int he order which Jesus alone holds. So, no, this Christian is not voting for the LDS inc dead soul lying mormon Rominy. Take your LDS inc kneepads somewhere else.


80 posted on 04/11/2012 8:57:45 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: All

I will never vote for a Spawn of Satan cult member Mormon.


81 posted on 04/11/2012 8:58:16 PM PDT by troy McClure
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To: bkaycee
God cammands us to vote for an actual conservative or a write candidate? Really?? Where is that in the Bible? I am here to help defeat Obama. You?

Twisting my words are you?

Your witness is getting worse by the post.

No where did I say God commanded us to vote for anything, but as the candidate you would have us vote for is continually breaking God's laws, how do you think he feels about you voting for him?

If Jesus were standing in front of you right now, do you think he would be pleased with you supporting someone you know to have thoroughly ignored his commands?

Would he support your "deal with the devil", so to speak, because you believe the world will end tomorrow if Obama is re-elected or you believe that he is the Anti-Christ or whatever reason you are using to justify walking back from God by voting/supporting someone as wrong as Romney is from a Christian perspective?
82 posted on 04/11/2012 8:58:16 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: svxdave
this Catholic, lousy as I am, will also vote for Romney.....

IT'S THAT DANG IMPORTANT!

83 posted on 04/11/2012 9:00:21 PM PDT by cherry
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To: SoConPubbie
The VAST majority of Conservatives agree with me.
The VAST majority of Republican voters agree with me.

Why do you feel the insecure need to attack my motives, or to attack me personally, for simply having the guts to call you out on your silly Jihad against Romney?

It is very easy to find Conservative Republicans who need and want your help. That is how I suggest you deal with your grieving process, at not getting what you want.

EVERY Republican on the ballot will refuse to attack Romney during the general election.

Nobody will have anything to do with you if you don't get over yourself.

I have no problem with Jim telling us not to promote Romney on FR. It is, after all, HIS site.

However, where strategy and the future of Conservatism is concerned, your efforts would be better spent trying to defeat Liberal Democrats and trying to elect Conservative Republicans. Work for candidates that you CAN support.

It is a waste of time and effort, and might cost us the House and the Senate, if your tantrum gains much support.

Mark Levin says it is over, but he is not happy with Romney and feels he is forced to support Romney against Obama.

I agree with Mark Levin, who I believe is a FREEPER as well.

Do you wish to attack his integrity as well?

84 posted on 04/11/2012 9:02:39 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: Hinckley; Diogenesis
Another Obama supporter exposed.

The only Obama supporters exposed are those pimping a lying, left-wing Progressive Liberal that is guaranteed to give Obama re-election exactly because of his lying, left-wing, Progressive Liberal record.

Furthermore, given that this is a conservative website devoted to defeating Mitt Romney, and given that only 46% of the delegates have been won thus far in the Primaries, why are you, whom I assume purports to be a conservative, promoting a lying, left-wing Progressive Liberal?

A sincere conservative would no more be pimping a left-wing candidate for the GOP nomination at this stage of the game, then they would be promoting Obama, so what gives?
85 posted on 04/11/2012 9:03:37 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: troy McClure
The “Good Samaritan” was not Jewish.

Jesus made the point that nonbelievers often put believers to shame.

I suggest a little humility, on your part.

86 posted on 04/11/2012 9:04:21 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: doc1019

So I guess that if you won’t vote for Romney then you are voting for Obama... good job with that one.


87 posted on 04/11/2012 9:06:04 PM PDT by djl_sa (Looking forward to 2012!)
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To: Kansas58
The VAST majority of Conservatives agree with me.
The VAST majority of Republican voters agree with me.


Your problem is that enough of the conservatives and Republicans and Independents don't agree with you and as a result, Obama will win.

Enough of us won't sell our soul to vote for a lying, left-wing, Progressive Liberal that Romney will lose badly.

Factor in the ads that Obama and the Media will be flingly at Romney 24/7 if God frowns on us and allows Romney to be the nominee, ads that will contain nothing but the truth of Romney's lying, left-wing, Progressive Liberal record, and your boy Romney is going to lose in land-slide porportions.

Furthermore, I don't care what appeal to authority you use to justify your failings as a conservative.

I don't care who is supporting that lying, left-wing, Progressive Liberal, if they are supporting him, they've sold their soul.
88 posted on 04/11/2012 9:07:23 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: SoConPubbie

PLEASE Would Jesus vote for Newt Gingrich Liberal!

Grow up. I think Jesus would have a problem with Newt as well.

Again We are not voting for a CHURCH PASTOR, or voting for approval of sin.

http://themoralcollapseofamerica.blogspot.com/2011/12/newt-gingrich-liberal.html

If you plan on voting for Newt Gingrich, please read the rest of the information below first.

The following are 10 reasons why Newt Gingrich is liberal....

#1 Newt Gingrich was promoting the principles of Obamacare before Obamacare was even invented. Republicans are supposed to be against Obamacare, and yet a huge percentage of them are supporting a candidate that was pushing an individual mandate way before Obamacare was ever even invented.

Gingrich says that he will repeal Obamacare, but back in 2008 Gingrich wrote a book entitled “Real Change” in which he endorsed an individual health care mandate.

So should we believe what Gingrich is saying now or should we believe what he has been saying for nearly 20 years?

#2 Before he was running for president, he was running around the country with Al Sharpton promoting the socialist education policies of the Obama administration.

#3 Back in 2008 Gingrich actually did a television commercial with Nancy Pelosi in which he declared that “our country must take action to address climate change”.

#4 Not only that, Gingrich also has promoted the idea of a “cap and trade” carbon trading scheme. Back in 2007, Gingrich said the following....

“I think if you have mandatory carbon caps combined with a trading system, much like we did with sulfur, and if you have a tax-incentive program for investing in the solutions, that there’s a package there that’s very, very good. And frankly, it’s something I would strongly support.”
#5 While he was in Congress, Newt Gingrich co-sponsored 418 bills with Nancy Pelosi.

#6 As we have seen during the recent debates, Gingrich openly supports amnesty for millions of illegal aliens.

#7 In 2008 Newt Gingrich declared that he would have voted for the TARP bailout if he was still a member of Congress.

#8 While Newt Gingrich was the Speaker of the House the amount of taxes collected by the U.S. government soared from $1.001 trillion to $1.511 trillion.

#9 Newt Gingrich is a big time Washington insider that is often paid huge sums of money for doing next to nothing. Gingrich has said that he was paid $300,000 for “work” that he did for Freddie Mac, but according to Bloomberg he actually earned somewhere between $1.6 million and $1.8 million between 1999 and 2008.

#10 The Republican Party is supposed to be the party of “moral values”, but they are getting ready to send someone to the White House that has a track record that would make Bill Clinton blush.

The following is how a recent Business Insider article described the “skeletons in the closet” from his personal life....

Newt’s personal baggage is either weird or scary. He married his high-school geometry teacher. He cheated on her and divorced her while she had cancer. So he married Marianne Ginther six months later. But that wasn’t to last.

Gingrich conducted a tawdry affair behind her back with one of his staffers while making political hay out of Clinton’s affair with a White House intern. He then divorced Marian
ne and married the staffer.

How in the world can Republicans be supporting this guy?


89 posted on 04/11/2012 9:08:37 PM PDT by bkaycee
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To: Kansas58
Mark Levin says it is over, but he is not happy with Romney and feels he is forced to support Romney against Obama.

Let me make it real clear for you:

Mark Levin is a Surrender Monkey.
90 posted on 04/11/2012 9:08:57 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: SoConPubbie

Now now, BKC didn’t say it was a Christian, it said it was a ‘reformed baptist’. Its posts show it is a Rominy sycophant in stealth mode trying desperately to sink Newt’s opposition to the lying socialist momron Rominy it adores.


91 posted on 04/11/2012 9:10:42 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: doc1019
I would expect a better argument from ex-Navy. Unless it is in fact a faith issue.

If not, wait until $416 BILLION in taxes go into effect under Obama next January and the rest of American industry moves offshore. With the top individual rates going from 35% to 42% (federal only) and capital gains set to go from 15% to 24%, we have 16 months before a real tribulation.

I hope you don't own a small business like may on FR.

Romney's mushy social stands are abhorrent to many here, but he is far superior to Obama re:economics. After you stay home, Obama get's in and you say there is no difference between the two, enjoy your new $416 Billion tax increase.

92 posted on 04/11/2012 9:12:03 PM PDT by muleskinner
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To: bkaycee

You are exposing yourself as filth. You are not God and you will not cancel Newt’s confessions to God with your tawdry deceits on FR. I don’t believe a word you post, so I think you’re a lying mormon working to assassinate Newt for your dead soul rominy. Keep posting your filth and expose yourself the more. Are you familiar with the expression ‘accuser of the brethren’? You are showing yourself to be of your father, the father of lies, the accuser of the brethren, a murderer from the start.


93 posted on 04/11/2012 9:15:29 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: djl_sa

Why would I burden the American people with the cost of a moving van when the one moving out is the same as the one moving in?

The only difference between Obama and Romney is their ethnic heritage.

In all good conscience, I can vote for either.


94 posted on 04/11/2012 9:15:47 PM PDT by doc1019 (Romney will never get my vote!)
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To: muleskinner
We are not at the stage of rominy versus little barry bastard. That you are trying to cordon off the races that way tells us a lot about your presence on this thread.
95 posted on 04/11/2012 9:18:10 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: SoConPubbie
You have NEVER had any position of any authority, in any successful political campaign, in your entire life.

Your purpose in politics seems to be warped, as you see politics as a way to affirm yourself, like some kind of “conservative hippie” getting in touch with HIS feelings!

It is not the role of politics to make you feel good, or to allow you to promote ONLY what YOU want.

Frankly, the purpose of elections, in a free society, is to AVOID decisions made at the point of a gun. We must overthrow our bad leaders at the ballot box.

When that fails? We face a brutal world of armed rebellion and bloodshed. Combat is politics by other means.

Politics should be all about AVOIDING civil war.

What can we live with? That is always the most important question.

I can live with Romney, though I am not happy with him.

I can not live with Obama for another 4 years and do very well. I am not advocating armed resistance, but I think OBAMA IS ADVOCATING DISARMING ME! I am also quite sure that Obama and Holder will RELISH armed conflict, with them, as a way to consolidate their own power over us.

Obama and Holder are tyrants.

The purpose of elections, naive Freeper is?

TO DEFEAT PEOPLE WHO ARE A THREAT TO LIBERTY!

Not to affirm your ego!

96 posted on 04/11/2012 9:19:04 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: CharlesWayneCT

“but Gingrich is still in the race, so all this talk is still premature. OK, it’s a long shot, but while there is still hope, we shouldn’t give it up.”

I’m still for Newt as well, and if Santorum’s the complete conservative so many here think he is, he’ll throw his support to Newt to defeat Romney. But I’m betting he won’t do that, that he’ll root for Romney as he did in ‘08.

Newt knows Romney’s not great for the country but, most of all, that he can’t defeat BHO. Does Rick know it? And if so, he certainly shouldn’t support Mittens. Wonder what his fans will say when he does.

Hey, I hope I’m wrong. Newt would have a real shot if he had RS’s delegates and endorsement. He already has Cain, Perry and some other impressive, conservative supporters.

And he’d definitely, fearlessly take the fight to BHO - we can’t depend on Romney to, unfortunately.


97 posted on 04/11/2012 9:26:14 PM PDT by llandres (Forget the "New America" - restore the original one!!)
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To: svxdave
Question: Do you know why Baptists never make love standing up?

Answer: Someone might think they're dancing...

do you know why I left the baptist church....

Too legalistic and full of themselves

I am not a sheep, I will choose whom I will choose.

I ain't voting for Obama (in white face) Romney or the Kenyan.

98 posted on 04/11/2012 9:29:14 PM PDT by SERE_DOC ( “The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it.” TJ.)
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To: bkaycee
PLEASE Would Jesus vote for Newt Gingrich Liberal!

Grow up. I think Jesus would have a problem with Newt as well.

. . . . . .

#10 The Republican Party is supposed to be the party of “moral values”, but they are getting ready to send someone to the White House that has a track record that would make Bill Clinton blush.

The following is how a recent Business Insider article described the “skeletons in the closet” from his personal life....

Newt’s personal baggage is either weird or scary. He married his high-school geometry teacher. He cheated on her and divorced her while she had cancer. So he married Marianne Ginther six months later. But that wasn’t to last.

Gingrich conducted a tawdry affair behind her back with one of his staffers while making political hay out of Clinton’s affair with a White House intern. He then divorced Marian ne and married the staffer.


You've posted crap that we have all been warned against posting, furthermore, Newt has publicly stated that he has repented of this and asked God for forgiveness.

And yet Mitt lied about having a Pro-Life conversion because he then went and nominated an extreme Abortion supporter and still supported stem-cell research.

Mitt has never been honest and has continually lied about his implementing Gay Marriage unconstitutionally in MA.

Mitt has continually lied about his opponents in the Primaries and to this day is still practicing bearing false witness against his neighbor.

Mitt lied when he stated at CPAC that "I have always been Pro-Life."

Mitt lied when he statede at CPAC that "I was a severely conservative governor of MA".



#1 Newt Gingrich was promoting the principles of Obamacare before Obamacare was even invented. Republicans are supposed to be against Obamacare, and yet a huge percentage of them are supporting a candidate that was pushing an individual mandate way before Obamacare was ever even invented.

Gingrich says that he will repeal Obamacare, but back in 2008 Gingrich wrote a book entitled “Real Change” in which he endorsed an individual health care mandate.

So should we believe what Gingrich is saying now or should we believe what he has been saying for nearly 20 years?


Your problem is that your boy Mitt Romney is not backing away from the individual mandate and that his campaign staff is telling everyone that Mitt want's to implement RomneyCare in all 50 States and furthermore, his campaign staff is stating that there are parts of ObamaCare that will not need to be repealed.

Once again, which Romney do we believe?

#9 Newt Gingrich is a big time Washington insider that is often paid huge sums of money for doing next to nothing. Gingrich has said that he was paid $300,000 for “work” that he did for Freddie Mac, but according to Bloomberg he actually earned somewhere between $1.6 million and $1.8 million between 1999 and 2008.

Another Mitt Romney lie debunked by Newt himself. You must be a Romney operative.

Relationship with Freddie Mac

Recent reporting from Bloomberg News on the Gingrich Group’s consulting services for Freddie Mac confirms that Gingrich and his firm were not paid to lobby and that Gingrich never acted as an advocate to stop any legislation or regulation affecting Freddie Mac.

After leaving public office, Newt Gingrich founded a number of very successful small businesses. One of these small businesses, a consulting firm called The Gingrich Group, offered strategic advice on a wide variety of topics to a very wide range of clients. One of these clients was Freddie Mac. At no time did Gingrich lobby for Freddie Mac, or for any client, and neither did anyone in Gingrich’s firm. This prohibition against lobbying was made clear to all Gingrich Group clients. Nor did Gingrich ever advocate against pending legislation affecting Freddie Mac, as some articles have incorrectly alleged. In fact, recent reporting from Bloomberg News on the Gingrich Group’s consulting services for Freddie Mac confirms that Gingrich and his firm were not paid to lobby and that Gingrich never acted as an advocate to stop any legislation or regulation affecting Freddie Mac.

Furthermore, as the New York Times documents, Newt urged House Republicans to vote against the bailout of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. View Newt’s Freddie Mac consulting contract here.


#6 As we have seen during the recent debates, Gingrich openly supports amnesty for millions of illegal aliens.

As we have seen from Romney, he is on record supporting McCain-Kennedy and seperately stating that those here illegally should be legalized (Amnesty). Again, which Mitt are we to believe?

#2 Before he was running for president, he was running around the country with Al Sharpton promoting the socialist education policies of the Obama administration.

Another distortion from the Romney campaign, are you sure you're not Mitt Romney? We're hearing all the decietful, lying crap that Romney has used in his decietful character assasination against Newt. Following is the truth on this issue, the truth you convienently left out.

Education Tour with Al Sharpton and Arnie Duncan

Newt has long been an ardent supporter of empowering parents to choose the best school for their children by removing power from educational bureaucracies and unions.

A critical first step in empowering parents is to vastly expand the number of charter schools, which are now artificially limited by caps set by bureaucrats. Newt will with work with anyone, regardless of political affiliation, who shares his pro-family conviction that it is the parents’ right to send their student to a charter school of their choice. In 2009, Rev. Al Sharpton and Secretary of Education Arne Duncan – two prominent figures on the Left – decided that they agreed with the Gingrich position, and the group appeared in several events together promoting the charter school movement. Newt was not endorsing any other initiatives, including the Obama Administration’s so-called “Race to the Top.”


#8 While Newt Gingrich was the Speaker of the House the amount of taxes collected by the U.S. government soared from $1.001 trillion to $1.511 trillion.

And what does that have to do with anything? Did you forget the Contract with America, he promised and delivered on 9 of the 10 items on that contract.

#4 Not only that, Gingrich also has promoted the idea of a “cap and trade” carbon trading scheme. Back in 2007, Gingrich said the following....

“I think if you have mandatory carbon caps combined with a trading system, much like we did with sulfur, and if you have a tax-incentive program for investing in the solutions, that there’s a package there that’s very, very good. And frankly, it’s something I would strongly support.”


And yet Mitt didn't just mouth support for a Carbon Cap-and-Trade system, he created one.

Once again, given your support for a lying, left-wing, Progressive Liberal, and given the regurgitation of a lot of crap from the Romney campaign, I ask you, who are you working for?

An GOP-E related organization or a Romney related organization?

99 posted on 04/11/2012 9:35:05 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: bkaycee; Jim Robinson; Admin Moderator
#10 The Republican Party is supposed to be the party of “moral values”, but they are getting ready to send someone to the White House that has a track record that would make Bill Clinton blush.

The following is how a recent Business Insider article described the “skeletons in the closet” from his personal life....

Newt’s personal baggage is either weird or scary. He married his high-school geometry teacher. He cheated on her and divorced her while she had cancer. So he married Marianne Ginther six months later. But that wasn’t to last.

Gingrich conducted a tawdry affair behind her back with one of his staffers while making political hay out of Clinton’s affair with a White House intern. He then divorced Marian ne and married the staffer.


I thought we had a moratorium on the posting of this type of low-life gutter garbage?
100 posted on 04/11/2012 9:37:48 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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