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Evangelicals will vote for Mormon Mitt Romney, says Southern Baptist leader
Daily Caller ^ | 4/11/2012 | Carolline May

Posted on 04/11/2012 6:54:38 PM PDT by svxdave

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To: grandpa jones
svxdave ream not this evangelica

How do you feel about Newt? Myn dream is Newt prevailing in Tampa. Long shot I know but see my tagline and it has come to pass

41 posted on 04/11/2012 7:49:51 PM PDT by estrogen (don't let the media pick our candidate)
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To: Kansas58

Yeah, making Romney sound worse than Obama is a bit over the top.

The Church will suffer REAL persecution with an Obama not worried about reelection.

What plans does he have with Russia he cant tell AMERICANS?

Romney has plenty of warts, but not recognizing that Romney had to deal with loony toon town (MA - I live here) is not reality. AND pinning ALL MA laws on him when the MA legislature is over 90% wacko lib democrats.


42 posted on 04/11/2012 7:55:36 PM PDT by bkaycee
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To: MtnClimber

“That way Romney or 0bama can go full communist and get stopped in their tracks.”

Romney could be stopped, but not BHO, because Romney is not as radical, audacious, driven AND brazen as BHO (who will be even more so in an unrestrained second term). In case you haven’t noticed, B. Hussein has announced he’ll go around Congress, and he’s already been doing it at an alarming rate (but nothing like what he will with an unaccountable second term). He spits on the Constitution and the Repubs are too wimpy and afraid of being called racist to stand up to him.

Romney can be controlled - BHO cannot. My biggest fear of Romney is that he’s just too wimpy to beat Obama.


43 posted on 04/11/2012 8:00:06 PM PDT by llandres (Forget the "New America" - restore the original one!!)
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To: bkaycee; Kansas58; svxdave
Romney has plenty of warts, but not recognizing that Romney had to deal with loony toon town (MA - I live here) is not reality. AND pinning ALL MA laws on him when the MA legislature is over 90% wacko lib democrats.

The problem you have with that statement is that Romney didn't even try.

He didn't dare them to override a Veto, he simply accepted what he knew to be unconstitutional and pretended he had no choice.

And the reason I know he pretended he had no choice is that many conservatives and conservative Christians confronted him publicly on this matter before he made the decision to implement Gay Marriage all on his own.

Finally, why anyone purporting to be a conservative is supporting Romney when there are still 46% of the available delegates to be won in the remaining primaries is beyond me.

It leaves one with only one, or two inescapable conclusions:

1. You're really not a conservative
2. You're working for an RNC affiliated Organization, or a Mitt Romney affiliated Organization and you are not a conservative.

Real conservatives, knowing Mitt Romney's record of lying and Progressive Liberalism, and knowing there was still a chance to defeat him, would no more be stating support for him then they would be showing any support for Obama.


44 posted on 04/11/2012 8:03:19 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: MtnClimber

Yup. My focus has been on the senate races for many months now-we only need four wins and they have to defend 20+ seats several of which are vulnerable. We have a definite chance of controlling both chambers of the legislature and that will stop the socialist’s legislative agenda in its tracks-no AWBs, no dream acts, no more handouts to bums, etc.


45 posted on 04/11/2012 8:04:26 PM PDT by RC one (may the strongest man win.)
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To: svxdave; All
This is because they are a bunch of stupid Socialists.

Anyone who thinks the "Evangelical Social Conservatives" are actual, real conservatives is just plain stupid.

They are 3 issue voters. Nothing else matters to them, not even the survival of the Republic.

They would vote for Obama over Gingrich, each and every one of them.

46 posted on 04/11/2012 8:08:02 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Waryone

I’d rather have Romney picking judges than Obama and control of the senate may ultimately come down to the VP. There’s an extensive list of things I dislike about Romney but the list of things I dislike about Obama is longer so the lesser of two evils is clear to me.


47 posted on 04/11/2012 8:09:49 PM PDT by RC one (may the strongest man win.)
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To: svxdave
They'll vote for a non-social conservative for president unless he picks a non-social conservative running mate.


48 posted on 04/11/2012 8:11:12 PM PDT by abigailsmybaby ("To understan' the livin', you got ta commune wit' da dead." Minerva)
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To: SoConPubbie
Perhaps this means we know how to count, and that you do not?

Santorum was our ONLY chance, and Santorum quit.

There is no mathematical way that anyone else can win this thing. You only show yourself to be a bit of a neophyte at politics, if you claim otherwise.

Conservatism does not require falling on our swords for the “cause” of YOUR ego!

It is your ego speaking, you have no chance of any other person getting the Nomination but Romney, at this point.

A “3rd Party” attempt will be an absurd joke and help Obama.

Obama wants to destroy my country.

Romney is wrong on some fronts, but Romney does not want to destroy my country.

Not a hard choice.

49 posted on 04/11/2012 8:13:08 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: RC one

Romney is a socialist.


50 posted on 04/11/2012 8:13:28 PM PDT by abigailsmybaby ("To understan' the livin', you got ta commune wit' da dead." Minerva)
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To: RC one; Waryone
I’d rather have Romney picking judges than Obama and control of the senate may ultimately come down to the VP. There’s an extensive list of things I dislike about Romney but the list of things I dislike about Obama is longer so the lesser of two evils is clear to me.

Well, you lose with Romney on that issue as well given Romney's record on judicial appointments.

He appointed 27 left-wing, Progressive Democrats or Independents out of 36 appointments.

Legal analysts say candidate Romney is different from Gov. Romney.

Liberty Counsel Action Vice President Matt Barber said Romney’s appointments were constitutional “living document” poster children.

“Many of Romney’s appointments were not only liberal, not only Democrats, but were radical counter-constitutionalists. How on earth can we expect that, as president, he would be any different?” Barber asked rhetorically.

“Actions speak louder than words, and Mitt Romney’s actions as governor scream from the rooftops that he cannot be trusted with this most important of presidential responsibilities.”

Barber cites two specific examples of Romney’s radical appointments.

“As governor of Massachusetts, Mitt Romney not only failed in this regard, he appointed a number of very liberal, if not radical, ‘living, breathing’-minded judges to the bench,” Barber said.

“Two that come to mind were extreme homosexualists Marianne C. Hinkle and Stephen Abany,” he said. “They both had a long history of pro-gay activism, yet Romney didn’t hesitate to put them on the bench.”

“These are people who outrageously believe the postmodern notion that newfangled ‘gay rights’ trump our constitutionally guaranteed First Amendment rights,” he said.

Baldwin agreed, citing Romney’s statements about the two requirements he actually used when selecting judges.

“Romney did focus on two criteria: their legal experience and whether they would be tough on crime. In other words, the nominee could be a gay activist or a pro-big government, pro-quota, pro-gun control Democrat Party hack who detests every judicial principle treasured by our founding fathers,” Baldwin said. “But if he happens to be tough on crime and have prosecutorial experience, he gets past the Romney filter. Many of Romney’s nominees fit that description.”

Baldwin added that Romney did have some ideological criteria for many of his nominees:

“It was criteria commonly used by the left. For starters, his nominees were mostly pro-abortion. Indeed, while campaigning for governor in 2002, Romney told the National Abortion Rights Action League (NARAL) that his judicial nominees would more likely protect abortion rights than would those of a Democrat Governor, according to notes from a person attending this meeting.”

Another Romney criteria, Baldwin explained, was “diversity.”

“The other criteria consistently emphasized by Gov. Romney in deciding judicial selections was ‘diversity.’ This is the silly notion that judgeships should reflect the population in terms of race and gender and even sexual orientation, regardless of a person’s judicial philosophy,” he said. “Clearly, the use of diversity quotas demonstrates Romney’s lack of a coherent conservative worldview.”

51 posted on 04/11/2012 8:15:54 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: svxdave

I imagine I’ll be an ABO voter, but Gingrich is still in the race, so all this talk is still premature. OK, it’s a long shot, but while there is still hope, we shouldn’t give it up.


52 posted on 04/11/2012 8:19:36 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: RC one
I’d rather have Romney picking judges than Obama and control of the senate may ultimately come down to the VP.

Do you always sort these things out by way of "wishing away" facts of the historical past?

From Worldnetdaily: The Boston Globe confirmed that as a so-called “Republican” governor of Massachusetts, Mitt Romney appointed 14 Democrats, 13 Independents and only 9 Republicans as judges. That’s 27 of 36, or 3 of every 4, Romney judges that are liberal. So if President Romney someday appoints even one Supreme Court Justice, there’s a 75 percent chance they’ll vote with Kagan and Sotomayor 100 percent of the time. If we wouldn’t trust Romney himself on the Supreme Court, why let him appoint more Massachusetts Democrats to the federal bench?

You're crazy to put your trust in this kind of a track record! [Vote third-party]

There’s an extensive list of things I dislike about Romney but the list of things I dislike about Obama is longer so the lesser of two evils is clear to me.

Yeah, we know, we know. You're going to train your kids & your grandkids & everybody around you by your words-and-actions to ALWAYS vote for the (r) guy 'cause he's more conservative than the (d) guy...and that way when your kids & grandkids vote...say in the 2036 election...they'll be voting for a guy to the left of Obama...just 'cause he's an (r) guy and you always stand behind the "establishment."

...lesser of two evils

Does this mean you'd vote for a reincarnated Hitler if he was the (r) guy running vs. THE (d) Anti-Christ???

Do you always go around promoting self-confessed "evil?" Do you normally tell your kids to "ethically" combat "evil" with "evil?"

53 posted on 04/11/2012 8:19:42 PM PDT by Colofornian ( It's not even 'conservative convictions' be damned anymore; they've ALREADY BEEN anathematized.)
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To: SoConPubbie

Wow, how is voting for the lesser of 2 evils giving up my faith? Sorry, your way off base! My “Faith” is Salvation by Grace Alone, Thru Faith Alone, in Christ Alone.

Voting for someone who holds non Christian platforms but is be better for the country amd maintains the Church’s freedom is the least of 2 evils.

We are not voting for a New Pastor! Obviously, i would never vote for a PASTOR who held to gay marriage or pro abortion.

If ALL your allegations are true, I would still vote for him over Obama. Remember, lesser of 2 evils?

You are confused about why your voting. Your argument leads me to believe you can only vote for a born again Christian.


54 posted on 04/11/2012 8:21:19 PM PDT by bkaycee
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To: svxdave

Is this guy uninformed or compromised? I belong to an Evangellical Free church and their is no way Romney is getting my vote.


55 posted on 04/11/2012 8:21:25 PM PDT by Linda Frances (Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness.)
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To: Kansas58; SoConPubbie
There is no mathematical way that anyone else can win this thing.

You'll see poll-wise by October, that there's "no mathematical way" for Romney to win...

Even in polls this week, Romney's losing MA 56-41% in one poll. That's his home!

56 posted on 04/11/2012 8:21:32 PM PDT by Colofornian ( It's not even 'conservative convictions' be damned anymore; they've ALREADY BEEN anathematized.)
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To: bkaycee

Voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil.


57 posted on 04/11/2012 8:23:07 PM PDT by Linda Frances (Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness.)
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To: svxdave

20 percent won’t vote for Willard - just like polls have shown for a decade.


58 posted on 04/11/2012 8:24:33 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (I wouldnÂ’t vote for Romney for dog catcher if he was in a three way race against Lenin and Marx!)
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To: llandres; MtnClimber
Romney can be controlled...

(yeah, by his Mormon "prophet"...and if ya wanna figure where that might lead...review the chart below!)

Lds Leader Chronological 'Prophet' or Fundamental # (or Other Title) Overlap Areas: Could the President of the U.S. become a 'puppet' to an Lds 'Prophet?' (The Lds Prophets -- in their own words)
John Taylor Lds 'Prophet' #3 “The Almighty has established this kingdom with order and laws and every thing pertaining thereto…[so] that when the nations shall be convulsed, we may stand forth as saviours…and finally redeem a ruined world, not only in a religious but in a political point of view.” (Journal of Discourses, vol. 9, p. 342, April 13, 1862)
Orson Hyde President of the Lds Quorum of the 12 Apostles for 28 years (1847-1875) “What the world calls ‘Mormonism’ will rule every nation...God has decreed it, and his own right arm will accomplish it. This will make the heathen rage.” (Journal of Discourses, vol. 7, p. 53)
Heber J. Grant Lds 'Prophet' #7 "Elder Marion G. Romney recalled the counsel of President Heber J. Grant: 'My boy, you always keep your eye on the President of the Church, and if he ever tells you to do anything, and it is wrong, and you do it, the Lord will bless you for it.' Then with a twinkle in his eye, he said, 'But you don't need to worry. The Lord will never let his mouthpiece lead the people astray'" (in Conference Report, Oct. 1960, p. 78)." Cited in Official Lds publication Search the Commandments: Melchizedek Priesthood Personal Study Guide, p. 209 (1984)
Harold B. Lee Lds 'Prophet' #11 ...President Harold B. Lee said: 'We must learn to give heed to the words and commandments that the Lord shall give through his prophet, '...as if from mine own mouth...(D&C 21:4-5)...You may not like what comes from the authority of the Church. It may contradict your political views. It may contradict your social views. It may interfere with some of your social life. But if you listen to these things, as if from the mouth of the Lord himself..." Cited in official Lds publication Remember Me: Relief Society Personal Study Guide I, p. 27 (1989)
Spencer Kimball Lds 'Prophet' #12 "President Spencer W. Kimball said: '...We deal with many things which are thought to be not so spiritual; but all things are spiritual with the Lord, and he expects us to listen, and to obey..." (In Conference Report, Apr. 1977, p. 8; or Ensign, May 1977, p. 7) Cited in official Lds publication Come, Follow Me: Melchizedek Priesthood Personal Study Guide 1983, p.12 (1983)
What about Marion G. Romney, cousin to Mitt's father? Who was he in Lds hierarchy? (Title: 'President' - Top 3 of church as 2nd counselor to both #11 & #12 Lds 'prophets') "Elder Neal A. Maxwell has said: 'Following the living prophets is something that must be done in all seasons and circumstances. We must be like President Marion G. Romney, who humbly said, '..I have never hesitated to follow the counsel of the Authorities of the Church even though it crossed my social, professional, and political life' (Conference Report, April 1941, p. 123). There are, or will be moments when prophetic declarations collide with our pride or our seeming personal interests...Do I believe in the living prophet even when he speaks on matters affecting me and my specialty directly? Or do I stop sustaining the prophet when his words fall in my territory? if the latter, the prophet is without honor in our country! (Things As They Really Are, p. 73). Cited in official Lds publication, Search the Commandments: Melchizedek Priesthood Personal Study Guide, pp. 275-276 (1984)
Ezra Taft Benson Lds 'Prophet' #13 Benson speech given 2/26/80 @BYU. Summary: “…remember, if there is ever a conflict between earthly knowledge and the words of the prophet, you stand with the prophet…” (See excerpts re: 3 of 14 'fundamentals' below) Source: Fourteen Fundamentals in Following the Prophet
Benson (cont'd) Fundamental #5 5. The prophet is not required to have any particular earthly training or credentials to speak on any subject or act on any matter at any time. (My Q: Ya hear that Mitt Romney?)
Benson (cont'd) Fundamental #9 9. The prophet can receive revelation on any matter, temporal or spiritual. (My Q: Still listening, Mitt?)
Benson (cont'd) Fundamental #10 10. The prophet may advise on civic matters. (My Q: What say ye Mitt?)
B.H. Roberts LDS Historian and Seventy. Note: Roberts was an elected Democratic Congressman from Utah in 1898 -- but was NEVER seated by Congress because of grass roots uproar vs. Roberts, who took a THIRD simultaneous wife in the early 1890s. Grass roots America collected 7 MILLION signatures on 28 banners and presented them to Congress...in pre-mass media 1800s! “[T]he kingdom of God... is to be a POLITICAL INSTITUTION THAT SHALL HOLD SWAY OVER ALL THE EARTH; TO WHICH ALL OTHER GOVERNMENTS WILL BE SUBORDINATE AND BY WHICH THEY WILL BE DOMINATED.” The Rise and Fall of Nauvoo, 1900, p. 180
Mitt Romney as POTUS??? Aside from above prophetic impositions, why would Mitt not only honor what these 'prophets' have spoken, but what a future Lds 'prophet' may tell him to do? The Law of Consecration Oath Mitt Romney has sworn in the Mormon temple (done before marriage/sealing in temple): "You and each of you covenant and promise before God, angels, and these witnesses at this altar, that you do accept the law of consecration as contained in this, the book of Doctrine and Covenants [he displays the book], in that you do consecrate yourselves, your time, talents, and EVERYTHING with which the Lord has blessed you, or WITH which he MAY bless you, to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, for the building up of the kingdom of God on the earth and for the establishment of Zion." Source: What is an LDS Church/Mormon temple marriage/sealing? [Q: Please define 'Zion': The LDS PR Web site (lds.org) defines its primary meaning: "membership in the [LDS] church."]

59 posted on 04/11/2012 8:24:40 PM PDT by Colofornian ( It's not even 'conservative convictions' be damned anymore; they've ALREADY BEEN anathematized.)
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To: bkaycee; SoConPubbie
Wow, how is voting for the lesser of 2 evils giving up my faith?

Read the bottom of post #53...applies to you as well...

60 posted on 04/11/2012 8:25:50 PM PDT by Colofornian ( It's not even 'conservative convictions' be damned anymore; they've ALREADY BEEN anathematized.)
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