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TCM Titanic Film: "A Night to Remember"
TCM ^ | April 12, 2012

Posted on 04/12/2012 6:57:39 PM PDT by re_nortex

 
The 1958 film, A Night to Remember is scheduled for a showing this Saturday night, April 14, 2012 at 10:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time.



Because the book was so well written and the facts so compelling, it reads like a suspense novel. [Walter] Lord scrupulously researched all information available at the time, reviewing testimony from boards of inquiry, plus newspaper and eyewitness accounts of survivors from both passengers and crew.

There are a few scenes where slight artistic license is taken, but no wholesale fabrication of characters or fictionalized sub-plots.

In reality, the film is more docudrama, yet never lacks for tension. Costuming was perfectly detailed and accurate, interiors perfect reproductions of the actual grand staircase, dining rooms, and smoking lounges were used. It is the most accurate of all Titanic films, even though exterior modeling shots were a bit weak.

The British production, which took five months to film, added even more authenticity to the film with a cast mostly unfamiliar to American audiences. This film features an incredibly poignant scene with cellist John W. Woodward playing and singing “Nearer My God to Thee” in the more likely Horbury setting.

It is fun to see a young David McCallum as assistant telegraph operator Harold Bride, plus Honor Blackman, and very brief uncredited appearances as crewmen from both Desmond Llewelyn and Sean Connery (the latter three later appearing together in larger roles in Goldfinger.)

Those remarks are from Tennessee Jed of CommentaramaFilms, a source for Conservative film talk.


TOPICS: History; TV/Movies
KEYWORDS: anighttoremember; disaster; history; iceberg; movie; tcm; titanic; walterlord
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If you’re interested in a factual treatment of the RMS Titanic disaster of one-hundred years ago, A Night to Remember is the one film to see. While packed with gripping drama and fascinating character development, this 1958 film is reality-based without a fictional romance as a plot device. The crisp acting and authentic dialog is shot in black and white, adding to the documentary feel of this historically accurate film.

Given that TCM is showing this at 10:00 PM (EDT) on April 14, 2012, it’s all the more fascinating for that was the night precisely a century ago that Titanic struck the iceberg in the North Atlantic. Over 1,500 perished in this disaster.

On a personal note, I was 16 when I first saw A Night to Remember when it was first shown in a local movie theater. It was what led to my interest in Titanic and I make a point to watch it whenever it's on.

1 posted on 04/12/2012 6:57:44 PM PDT by re_nortex
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To: re_nortex

When I first heard the story of the Titanic as a girl being home schooled, I was given a book titled “Wreck Of The Titan” - spooky. Here’s a link:http://www.gettysburgghosts.net/titan.htm


2 posted on 04/12/2012 7:06:19 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("Talent Without Ambition Is Sad - Ambition Without Talent Is Worse")
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To: re_nortex
Just saw a Titanic special on PBS the other day - they profiled the head telegraph operator specifically. Don't know if that was the role that David McCallum played.

Anyway, the telegraph operator continually broadcast distress messages until the very end. SOS was not standard back then, so he was broadcasting CQD.

Last message was interrupted in mid-broadcast. It was C ... Q ..., and never got the D sent.

Telegraph operator did not make it ...

3 posted on 04/12/2012 7:10:15 PM PDT by Lmo56 (If ya wanna run with the big dawgs - ya gotta learn to piss in the tall grass ...)
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To: re_nortex

Excellent movie.
Thanks for posting. I want to see it again.

Another great movie about the Titanic is ‘Titanic’ (1953)
with Barbara Stanwyck and Clifton Webb.
Both are far superior to Cameron’s ‘Titanic’.


4 posted on 04/12/2012 7:10:43 PM PDT by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: re_nortex

An awesome movie. I’ve seen it many times. Have already set the DVR. I watch this movie almost every April because I am a recreational sailor and this story reminds me how fragile we are, how much we are at the whim of nature and the defects of man made creations. An important lesson.


5 posted on 04/12/2012 7:12:20 PM PDT by Captain Jack Aubrey (There's not a moment to lose.)
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To: Vision; DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis; stylecouncilor; the OlLine Rebel; kalee; Vigilanteman; ...
The TCM showing of the classic film, A Night to Remember is about 48 hours away as I post this. Don't forget it -- it really is that good and has held up well some 54 years after its release. If you've never seen it, you'll find it to be the definitive portrayal of what happened. If you've seen it before (as I have numerous times), each viewing reveals something new.

Vision: Feel free to lift whatever you think is apt for the TCM Classic Movie alert ping.

I also have to credit beaversmon who made me aware of Titanic in Real Time from the History Channel. Messages from the captain, crew, engineers and passengers are sent as it would have happened, had Twitter been around a century ago. One message recently posted is:

#officer Received a wireless message from La Touraine warning us of a thick ice-field, shouldn't be a problem according to the captain.

6 posted on 04/12/2012 7:13:11 PM PDT by re_nortex (DP...that's what I like about Texas.)
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To: re_nortex

Kenneth More had an amazing career. He got to sink both the Titanic AND the Bismarck.


7 posted on 04/12/2012 7:14:17 PM PDT by ken5050 (The ONLY reason to support Mitt: The Mormon Tabernacle Choir will appear at the WH each Christmas)
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To: re_nortex

When Titanic debuted, my ten year old daughter fell in love with it and saw it four times. She even scored the theme song so she could play it on the piano. A year later Cablevision picked up TCM. I told my daughter if she wanted to see what Titanic was about, she should watch A Night to Remember. Reluctantly she watched this old B&W flick. She absolutely loved it and now at 26 she still can sit enthralled by this old Brit classic.


8 posted on 04/12/2012 7:17:18 PM PDT by xkaydet65
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To: re_nortex

The best movie on the Titanic.

I hated the 1997 one that they are bringing back. It was geared to teenagers.


9 posted on 04/12/2012 7:17:30 PM PDT by Mears (Alcohol. Tobacco. Firearms. What's not to like?)
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To: re_nortex
Been something of a Titanic buff ever since reading that book in 6th grade. Lord's The Night Lives On isn't quite as engrossing, as it's more subject-oriented than chronological, but still a fascinating book.
10 posted on 04/12/2012 7:19:36 PM PDT by Snake65
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To: SkyDancer
When I first heard the story of the Titanic as a girl being home schooled, I was given a book titled “Wreck Of The Titan” - spooky.

I might have something spookier - I just Googled the title of your book and checked out the refernce to it at Wiki ...

According to Wiki:

"In a strange and eerie coincidence, the original edition of the novella was available for checkout in the Titanic's second-class library.

IF Wiki can be believed ...

11 posted on 04/12/2012 7:20:02 PM PDT by Lmo56 (If ya wanna run with the big dawgs - ya gotta learn to piss in the tall grass ...)
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To: All
If you'd like to join a pretty large group of your FReeper colleagues on the Titanic ping list, just let me know via FReepmail. It's a low-volume, non-spam list comprised of those of us interested in Titanic.

Since the 100th Anniversary of the event is upon is, there are a lot of interesting discussion opportunities. And since we're all Conservatives here, the level of the discourse is highly intelligent and occasionally provocative.

12 posted on 04/12/2012 7:20:49 PM PDT by re_nortex (DP...that's what I like about Texas.)
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To: Mears

Yes, but the costumes were tremendous. Apparently, Cameron’s crew went after whatever vintage clothing they could find to put them in the film.


13 posted on 04/12/2012 7:21:17 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: re_nortex

I’m a high school teacher. A Night to Remember was recently added to the 10th grade English curriculum and I recently received 30 copies of the book to use in the classroom.

Kids are FASCINATED!! (they thought the Titanic didn’t exist and was just a movie!!)


14 posted on 04/12/2012 7:31:47 PM PDT by Bon of Babble (The Road to Ruin is Always Kept in Good Repair)
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To: Mears; combat_boots
The best movie on the Titanic.

It's no surprise that I concur.

I hated the 1997 one that they are bringing back. It was geared to teenager.

I've grown to have a grudging acceptance of Cameron's Titanic, if for no other reason than its technical excellence. I also get a kick out of an early scene where one of the research assistants is wearing a Texas T-shirt with "Home" on it. I have to mentally tune out the Rose and Jack plot device (as well as the not-so-subtle class warfare message) to appreciate the other aspects of the film.

This review from the TCM site echoes my thoughts almost precisely:

The most recent Titanic was technically a better film; ie. the sets were historically accurate, the special effects were better,and more was known about the final minutes of the tragedy. However, for the raw feel of what it must have been like that terrible night,and the added story of the California and the Carpathia, this films tells the story much better.

The British cast and the B&W film, doesn't hurt it either. You get many more sides of the story, not only first class, but crew, steerage, and the rescue attempt. A superior Film, not to be missed by any Titanic enthusiast.

Neil Castellon: 9/20/08

15 posted on 04/12/2012 7:32:38 PM PDT by re_nortex (DP...that's what I like about Texas.)
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To: re_nortex; mickie; flaglady47; Chigirl 26
It's remarkable the grip on the imagination that the Titanic event continues to maintain on people even though a century has passed since the sinking.

I think everyone reading about it or viewing images of it feels a personal imprint on a variety of one's own human emotions.

I also think that the story of the doomed Titanic surpasses even the attack on the Twin Towers, as epic a tragedy as the New York catastrophe was.

Maybe this is because the personal accounts and stories of Titanic survivors plus the actors in films portraying life and death aboard the ship personalized the Titanic saga much more than the accounts and videos of 9/11.

I'd be interested in what other Freepers feel is the reason the Titanic story never seems to lose its appeal to the imagination and to the heart......even after a hundred years have gone by.

Leni

16 posted on 04/12/2012 7:38:53 PM PDT by MinuteGal
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To: Lmo56

Wow! I wonder if anyone did check it out and thought about the possibilities.


17 posted on 04/12/2012 7:45:21 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("Talent Without Ambition Is Sad - Ambition Without Talent Is Worse")
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To: MinuteGal
I'd be interested in what other Freepers feel is the reason the Titanic story never seems to lose its appeal to the imagination and to the heart......even after a hundred years have gone by.

I hope I'm not passing along an urban myth since so many are associated with Titanic, but here goes anyway. I heard back in 1962, during the 50th Anniversary, that the term Titanic was recognized even in the remotest parts of the world. Along with Coca-Cola, that word was just as well known.

I think part of the reason for why it became such a big story a century ago was that mass communications was really starting to reach a global audience. It was the story of that era. Although we rightfully mock what the New York Times has now become, it reputation as the "Newspaper of Record" was cemented by its excellent coverage of the sinking.


18 posted on 04/12/2012 7:49:25 PM PDT by re_nortex (DP...that's what I like about Texas.)
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To: re_nortex

Who plays Jack and Rose in “A Night to Remember?”


19 posted on 04/12/2012 7:51:33 PM PDT by iowamark
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To: re_nortex
Here is a good fairly accurate one. Only problem is those greedy English as opposed to the good German Engineer who warns against plowing into the ice field and honorable German passengers as opposed to panicking English and Americans. This was shown in TCM several years ago.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0036443/

And something else from IMDB...

A Night to Remember (1958) Some of the shots of Titanic sailing at day time and some quick scenes of the interior flooding as the ship sinks, were actually taken from this 1943 version of the disaster.

20 posted on 04/12/2012 7:54:11 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: iowamark; nutmeg
Several weeks ago, FReeper nutmeg shared this story with us:

My mother and grandparents always told the story of "two Irish relatives" of ours who were in the steerage (lowest class) section of the Titanic, and went down with the ship (two young men). Unfortunately we never learned their names, so I can't prove who they were. Anyway, relatives or not, I've always had an interest in the RMS Titanic.

My husband and I happened to be in Nova Scotia in the summer of 1998 and visited the Fairview Cemetery in Halifax, N.S., the final resting place of many victims of the sinking of the Titanic. One of the graves was marked "J. Dawson". There were mountains of flowers, stuffed animals, movie ticket stubs, etc. on top of this grave, which is actually the grave of Joseph Dawson, an Irishman who worked in the Titanic's boiler room.

Several sobbing teenage girls were standing over the grave, absolutely convinced that the grave belonged to Jack Dawson, the fictitious character in the 1997 movie played by Leonardo DiCaprio. My husband and I couldn't stop laughing - the girls' mother looked pretty sheepish, LOL.

That's one of the postings from the FR thread, Titanic mystery over violin 'from band leader who played on'.

21 posted on 04/12/2012 8:07:15 PM PDT by re_nortex (DP...that's what I like about Texas.)
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To: re_nortex

I was able to see the Titanic exhibit several years ago.

Interesting artifacts, etc.

There was an enormous block of ice that everyone was invited to put their hands on for as long as they could stand it, to show what the passengers in the water must have felt. It didn’t take long to take one’s hand away.

A Night To Remember is far superior to Cameron’s “Jack and Rose”..but the special effects were very good.


22 posted on 04/12/2012 8:09:48 PM PDT by berdie
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To: re_nortex

It was the Rose and Jack thing that did it for me. I almost walked out it was so ridiculous.

I had seen “A Night to Remember” and read the book so the “Titanic” was a big disappointment.

I just plain don’t like romantic movies. I love espionage,adventures,war movies,and murder mysteries etc.

I tell my grandchildren it is my dark side.


23 posted on 04/12/2012 8:14:35 PM PDT by Mears (Alcohol. Tobacco. Firearms. What's not to like?)
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To: re_nortex

I first saw it when it was released also. I was on a date with a new guy who later became my husband.

1958 was a good year for me.


24 posted on 04/12/2012 8:17:25 PM PDT by Mears (Alcohol. Tobacco. Firearms. What's not to like?)
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To: re_nortex

“I think part of the reason for why it became such a big story a century ago was that mass communications was really starting to reach a global audience. It was the story of that era.”

News still travelled slow to the hinterlands. My grandfather grew up in Haskell County in west Texas. He was 14 when the Titanic sank, and he told me it took a week before they heard about it.

BTW, I just bought the Blu-Ray version of “A Night to Remember” and the restored print looks fantastic. Some of those old B&W films had great tonality.


25 posted on 04/12/2012 8:20:04 PM PDT by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: re_nortex

I think this was the very first movie I saw as a very young child that I can still remember to this day, it must have been in the early 60’s.


26 posted on 04/12/2012 8:20:23 PM PDT by Eye of Unk (Liberals need not reply.)
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To: combat_boots

“Yes, but the costumes were tremendous.”

I’ll give you that——the costumes were great and of course the scenes of the sinking were terrific.


27 posted on 04/12/2012 8:21:32 PM PDT by Mears (Alcohol. Tobacco. Firearms. What's not to like?)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Amazing. I was not aware of the 1943 German film and I have been a Titanic buff since I first saw the 1953 version. I read A Night to Remember in high school and later learned of the 1929 film which did not even refer to the Titanic by name.

No one on this thread has mentioned the 1978 made for TV film “S.O.S. Titanic”. It wasn’t that bad if you can forget it was filmed on board the Queen Mary in Los Angeles harbor, a vessel launched nearly twenty years after Titanic.

How ironic that the one of Titanic’s sister ships that survived, the Olympic, would wind up being broken up for scrap in 1935, victim not of icebergs or torpedoes, but of the Great Depression. Saw a photo of Olympic being towed to the scrapyard, reduced to a sad rustbucket that was once a great ship. Her interior fittings however, survive in London hotels & pubs to this day.


28 posted on 04/12/2012 8:23:04 PM PDT by elcid1970 ("Deport all Muslims. Nuke Mecca now. Death to Islam means freedom for all mankind.")
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To: re_nortex

Oh yes! A few low moments but the high points are many. Wonderful screenplay.


29 posted on 04/12/2012 8:29:34 PM PDT by Havisham
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To: berdie
I was able to see the Titanic exhibit several years ago.

Where was that? A few months back, a FReeper recommended an RMS Titanic exhibit up in Pigeon Forge, Tennessee.


30 posted on 04/12/2012 8:33:45 PM PDT by re_nortex (DP...that's what I like about Texas.)
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To: ken5050

Kenneth More had an amazing career. He got to sink both the Titanic AND the Bismarck.


Yes, another great World War II movie. Great actors!


31 posted on 04/12/2012 8:39:37 PM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: Havisham
A few low moments but the high points are many. Wonderful screenplay.

The running time for A Night to Remember is 123 minutes. For me at least, it's one of a handful of films that I felt was a tad too short. That probably means it's just about right to really grip everyone's attention.

32 posted on 04/12/2012 8:41:29 PM PDT by re_nortex (DP...that's what I like about Texas.)
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To: re_nortex

So finally I shall watch this movie.

I always have misgivings about UK productions. Europeans love “reality” (i.e., they never had enough money to do more) which tends to be boring and uninspiring.

I also find it ironic it’s based on a book by a man from my own backyard. I read it when in middle school - excellent; the “bible” of Titanic.

Walter Lord also wrote an excellent book “Dawn’s Early Light” about that little British spat in our backyard. Should get more play being it is the 200th anniversary starting this year of the British War.


33 posted on 04/12/2012 8:42:06 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: patriot08

Thanks for mentioning Stanwyck. Some people don’t want any subplots, but if you’re going to have any, this is nice. No sex-crazed voyeur childishness. And nice to have a “romance” based on MATURE people, for a change, for any kind of movie.


34 posted on 04/12/2012 8:44:40 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: Mears

Geared to craven sex-soaked teens.

That angered me. The unreality of it, never mind I’m sick of sex-sex-sex in every goddamn movie. Also the ridiculous idea these 2 fools would “fall in love” so hard in 3 days they’d “care” so much about each other in the sinking. What BS. (And, by her brief “encounter” with this low-life, she’s “free-spirited” now....what gunk.)

The technical aspects of the ‘97 were great - but I was angered how it was wasted on this kind of story.

I was really angered by that jackass in the start of the movie - the bearded bespectacled explorer on the sub who makes such disrespectful and snide remarks. I wanted to smack him - no, PUNCH him. SOB.

Yes, I despise the movie.


35 posted on 04/12/2012 8:49:54 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: re_nortex

It was a traveling exhibit in Dallas.

I’d have to look back to see what year it was...but at least 10 years ago.


36 posted on 04/12/2012 8:51:11 PM PDT by berdie
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To: the OlLine Rebel
So finally I shall watch this movie.

I always have misgivings about UK productions. Europeans love “reality” (i.e., they never had enough money to do more) which tends to be boring and uninspiring.

As one of the more active and erudite Titanic enthusiasts among us, I'll be very interested in your reaction. I think the story stands on its own merit and A Night to Remember captures it well. I want to caution you that special effects are somewhat crude. We oldsters can overlook that but since you're younger, just try to realize the limitations of the late 1950's.

I also find it ironic it’s based on a book by a man from my own backyard. I read it when in middle school - excellent; the “bible” of Titanic.

Yes, Walter Lord is from Ball'mer. Actually several great writers came from there such as Poe and Mencken.

37 posted on 04/12/2012 8:51:21 PM PDT by re_nortex (DP...that's what I like about Texas.)
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To: Mears

I’m sure there are a thousand little known real stories of the Titanic that Cameron could have told. He could have highlighted several. Why choose to make up a couple out of whole cloth? It was ridiculous. I loved the special effects, but the fake story really detracted from the movie for me.


38 posted on 04/12/2012 9:00:49 PM PDT by beaversmom
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To: the OlLine Rebel

I was really angered by that jackass in the start of the movie - the bearded bespectacled explorer on the sub who makes such disrespectful and snide remarks. I wanted to smack him - no, PUNCH him. SOB.


Same here. That was very disgusting and uncalled for. What a Pig. I wanted to smack him, too.

Hollywood can’t avoid the gutter, it seems.


39 posted on 04/12/2012 9:03:36 PM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: unkus; the OlLine Rebel
That bearded guy was Lewis Bodine (played by Lewis Abernathy). His one redeeming quality was the t-shirt he wore in the film:


40 posted on 04/12/2012 9:13:25 PM PDT by re_nortex (DP...that's what I like about Texas.)
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To: re_nortex

LOL Thanks for that. I bet he never wore that T-shirt in Texas or someone would have slapped him.


41 posted on 04/12/2012 9:18:34 PM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: elcid1970

***No one on this thread has mentioned the 1978 made for TV film “S.O.S. Titanic”***

I saw that film at that time. I remember that David Warner was in it and also in the 1997 version of TITANIC.


42 posted on 04/12/2012 10:39:33 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: re_nortex
TITANIC IS THE OLYMPIC..! - Why They Sunk The Titanic (Olympic)
43 posted on 04/12/2012 10:43:08 PM PDT by Talisker (He who commands, must obey.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

this is nice. (Titanic 1953) No sex-crazed voyeur childishness. And nice to have a “romance” based on MATURE people, for a change, for any kind of movie.
________________

Agree
I don’t know why they even bother with a plot in today’s movies..why not just a split screen with graphic sex on one side and blow-ups/violence/murder on the other?


44 posted on 04/12/2012 11:49:24 PM PDT by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: Lmo56

What does CQD stand for?
I always assumed they sent SOS.


45 posted on 04/13/2012 5:22:26 AM PDT by Verbosus (/* No Comment */)
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To: Mears

I thought it a pity to waste the china. That scene affected me the most of the sinking scenes.

But that HAT at the beginning. What an entrance. Any actor would have loved that one.

Too bad real hats are not worn much. Men or women. Too expensive, I guess.


46 posted on 04/13/2012 7:04:50 AM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: elcid1970; Ruy Dias de Bivar
FYI..H2..( History Channel 2) Sat 4/14 9PM EST and Sun 4/15 1 AM EST..."Nazi Titanic"... ENJOY!!!

Goebbels film used significant war material in the making..

47 posted on 04/13/2012 7:29:40 AM PDT by ken5050 (The ONLY reason to support Mitt: The Mormon Tabernacle Choir will appear at the WH each Christmas)
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To: re_nortex
I have a copy of that NY TIMES front page...and I often wonder about the headline...was Ismay that well known that it was assumed that everyone would know who he was?

Hearst knew..he had detested Ismay for over 20 years..and devoted every resources of his papers to hounding the guy for the rest of his life, but I can't believe that less than a few hundred NYers would have any idea that day who Ismay was..

48 posted on 04/13/2012 7:33:41 AM PDT by ken5050 (The ONLY reason to support Mitt: The Mormon Tabernacle Choir will appear at the WH each Christmas)
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To: ken5050
I have a copy of that NY TIMES front page...and I often wonder about the headline...was Ismay that well known that it was assumed that everyone would know who he was?

The Times of that era carried detailed shipping and sailing news. Although I can't find an on-line archive of issues from a few days prior, I recall that the voyage of RMS Titanic was covered extensively in the paper. As chairman of the White Star Line, I would surmise that J. Bruce Ismay was not an unfamiliar name to Times readers. My guess (and it's only that) is that Ismay's name was as well known as, say, Jeffrey Immelt's is today to those who follow business.

The Times of the late 19th and early 20th century still had a heritage of being the Republican paper having been founded by Henry Raymond, a chairman of the RNC. Growing up in East Tennessee, Adolph Ochs, who purchased the paper from Raymond, got his start at Knoxville's Republican paper. Its readership, unlike the mass circulation papers of the city, was targeted to the more upscale business community, those who would better know of J. Bruce Ismay.

Hearst knew..he had detested Ismay for over 20 years..and devoted every resources of his papers to hounding the guy for the rest of his life...

And speaking of William Randolph Hearst, here's his paper's headline coverage:


49 posted on 04/13/2012 9:08:45 AM PDT by re_nortex (DP...that's what I like about Texas.)
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To: re_nortex

Good points..thanks....as a kid in the 50’s, and back then avidly reading the NYT every day cover to cover, I rememebr the list ecah day of ships arriving and departing...and when the cargo ships ( this was before containers) still unloaded at rhe piers in lower Manhattan. It was said that the longshoremen stole 50% of every cargo..


50 posted on 04/13/2012 10:43:12 AM PDT by ken5050 (The ONLY reason to support Mitt: The Mormon Tabernacle Choir will appear at the WH each Christmas)
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