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Does Anyone Here Have The Real Facts On Obama's Chances In Ohio And Pennsylvania?

Posted on 04/14/2012 11:39:17 AM PDT by Reality_News

Never mind the laughable polls coming from MSNBC/ABC and the rest. There must be thousands of residents in the rust belt who can tell us the real deal. The White House must know the real internal polls,obviously thats why they are accusing the GOP of being anti-woman,along with Hillary Rosen displaying her jealous feelings towards the next First Lady. So can any of you give us the real feelings towards Obama coming from Pennsylvania and Ohio? It looks like Obama has already lost the entire south. Obama can't win without Pennsylvania,Ohio and Florida(of course,we all know that).So if you live in any of the tri-fector states, what can you tell us?


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1 posted on 04/14/2012 11:39:24 AM PDT by Reality_News
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To: Reality_News

I think that our nominee has a good chance of carrying every state that W carried in 2000.Unless I’m mistaken that’s enough (I’d have to check the new EV counts resulting from the census to be sure).


2 posted on 04/14/2012 11:45:24 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Unlike Mrs Obama,I've Been Proud Of This Country My *Entire* Life!)
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To: Reality_News

Don’t ever put “real facts” and “Obama” in the same sentence.


3 posted on 04/14/2012 11:45:52 AM PDT by bgill
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To: Reality_News

Pennsylvania has voter id, now.


4 posted on 04/14/2012 11:46:44 AM PDT by sportutegrl
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To: Reality_News

0bama is going to rely on Voter Fraud in every state. Our side’s getting out and voting will counter that, hopefully.


5 posted on 04/14/2012 11:48:04 AM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: Reality_News

The ‘10 election removed generations of Rat politicians in PA. The Fast Eddie machine is gone. Obummer won’t have it here to help him win this state that had a preference for Hitlery to begin with. Shale gas is also big here and the Obummer EPA is trying to shut it down as well. It will not be the easy ride in PA that he had the last time. I would consider PA to be in the toss up column for sure.


6 posted on 04/14/2012 11:49:40 AM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: Reality_News
Ohio can certainly be won for the Republican nominee; but the campaign has not really begun. What happens depends upon what is said; what is done. Another McCain or Bush type campaign would be a major mistake. We need to put all issues on the table; to discuss the realities of life; the realities of the American tradition; to stop walking on eggs to avoid the real nub of the differences between the American vision & the Leftist assault on that American vision.

In short, it is ours to lose, if we continue to mince our words.

William Flax

7 posted on 04/14/2012 11:49:47 AM PDT by Ohioan
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To: Reality_News

As long as the polls are open, Democratic fraud is possible.


8 posted on 04/14/2012 11:51:15 AM PDT by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right..........)
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To: Reality_News

I don’t think there are any “real facts.” The election is something yet to happen, and therefore has not entered the world of facts. If chances were facts, gambling would produce a lot more billionaires.


9 posted on 04/14/2012 11:51:49 AM PDT by Tublecane
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To: Reality_News

obama is still way ahead among Blacks, people depending on government loot and are really pissed off at the working people giving them the loot, dead people, voter’s with no I.D’s, fake I.D.’s and/or multiple I.D.’s, jihadists, those with I.Q.’s under 75, and other morons. I would also list union members, but they are covered by the other categories.


10 posted on 04/14/2012 11:52:55 AM PDT by San Jacinto
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To: Gay State Conservative
I think that our nominee has a good chance of carrying every state that W carried in 2000.

I wouldn't be counting chickens yet.

Romney has a good chance of becoming the nominee.

11 posted on 04/14/2012 11:53:59 AM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: Ohioan
I agree, Obama is not popular here in Ohio. The 'rats suffered massive losses at the state level here, too, in 2010. And Kasich has been a very active, visible governor. The only weak point is the Ohio GOP, which is a divided, corrupt party. I think we can defeat Obama in spite of them however.
12 posted on 04/14/2012 11:55:28 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Reality_News
I live in WPA and more and more ex-demonRATS are switching and becoming pubbies.

I believe the new additions will off set the hard core that refuse to vote for mittens.

I was at a gun shop last week and the owner is a big TEA party guy was having a heated discussion over his buddies not going to vote for romney and the TEA party guy was really upset with his pal {customer} for saying that he was not going to vote for President.

Since they were both over 6'2" and everybody in the store was armed, I just listened {and thought about FR and the nihilists we have here}.

That customer sounded just like any spoiled kid that doesn't get it all his way.

13 posted on 04/14/2012 11:58:47 AM PDT by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorists savages.)
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To: Lazlo in PA

Your analysis makes a lot of sense, and I am glad to hear the state’s “environment” has changed as it has. As you mentioned, shale gas will be a big deal to those people too which would hurt Obama’s chances there as well. Shale gas won’t mean so much to Philadelphia though, (urban, small parcels that won’t see the same royalties, etc.) that little rat hole city that always turns Pennsylvania away from where the state as a whole wants to go. I’m glad I don’t live in PA as I would be so angry every election when 95% of the acreage of PA votes with some sense and then that 5% comes in with all the people there and screws up any common sense they have.

Here’s hoping more of that 95% land mass will come out and overcome that Democratic stronghold in Philadelphia! :)


14 posted on 04/14/2012 12:02:01 PM PDT by casinva
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To: Gay State Conservative
"I think that our nominee has a good chance of carrying every state that W carried in 2000.Unless I’m mistaken that’s enough (I’d have to check the new EV counts resulting from the census to be sure)."

I live in Ohio and I can tell you there are goodly number of people leaving the State. And I've noticed many are heading to Texas.

So I am guessing we are losing Conservative Votes in the process. Columbus used to be a toss up as far as to which party would win the Area. It seems to have swung permanently to the Dems. The Area I live in is about 70% Republican. In the recent past no one would even consider Running as a Democrat (except for one guy who would always get elected because he represented an Area where most of the Teachers and the City Union Workers lived in) for our town council and Mayor. Last Election the Democrats managed to get 4 people Elected to Our Town Council.

Bottom line from what I can gather Ohio is definitely in Play for the Democrats. They can take it on election day even if Gas Prices and the Economy is still shaky. The Taft Debacle hurt the Republican party deep in the Republican strongholds in Ohio. It will take a decade or more from this point to repair the damage.

15 posted on 04/14/2012 12:02:21 PM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: Reality_News

Well, there IS no such thing as real facts on this. But never dismiss polls out of hand. All polls have some value even though polls themselves are of only limited value.

We make the mistake of dismissing some things out of hand just because we don’t like them. It doesn’t mean we should embrace them, but none of the polls you site did badly last cycle.


16 posted on 04/14/2012 12:04:17 PM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: EGPWS
I wouldn't be counting chickens yet.Romney has a good chance of becoming the nominee.

Didn't Rassmussen have Romney up on Osama by a couple of points a day or two ago?

17 posted on 04/14/2012 12:12:01 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Unlike Mrs Obama,I've Been Proud Of This Country My *Entire* Life!)
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To: Gay State Conservative

Rass has Romney up by 5 over Obama today.


18 posted on 04/14/2012 12:20:43 PM PDT by tatown ( FUMD, FUAC, and FUGB)
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To: Bryan24; Reality_News; Tublecane
"As long as the polls are open, Democratic fraud is possible."

When the Spanish online voting company SCYTL bought the largest vote processing corporation in the United States, it also acquired the means of manufacturing the outcome of the 2012 election.
It has also been claimed that SCYTL CEO Pere Valles is a socialist who donated heavily to the 2008 Obama campaign and lived in Chicago during Obama’s time as Illinois State Senator. MORE HERE.

19 posted on 04/14/2012 12:23:42 PM PDT by Baynative (Please check this out - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFIcZkEzc8I)
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I think it depends on how many people have moved away from those states and on how many dead will still vote.


20 posted on 04/14/2012 12:26:51 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: Reality_News
No problem for his imperial majesty Comrade President Barry H. Obama. John Boehner said he would lead the negotiations. Barry is a lock. The only drama in the election will see who can cave first: Boehner or McConnell. Could be a dead heat if they hold a joint news conference. The elitist Republicans establishment wing of the ruling class is more than happy to let Obama rule over the destruction and deconstruction of our nation, our Liberty, and our Freedoms. After all, they have a common enemy: CONSERVATISM. Those old fools actually think there will be more elections in 2 and 4 years and they can “win big”. That means give the Republican progressives the opportunity to kill off what the DemocRat Progressives left over from a scorched earth policy.
21 posted on 04/14/2012 12:29:10 PM PDT by cashless (Unlike Obama and his supporters, I'd rather be a TEA BAGGER than a TEA BAGGEE.)
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To: Reality_News

Obama will win both OH and PA, given all of the FReeper support provided here.


22 posted on 04/14/2012 12:31:57 PM PDT by G Larry (We are NOT obliged to carry the snake in our pocket and then dismiss the bites as natural behavior.)
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To: hinckley buzzard

I see Kevin Dewine giving up leadership of the Republican State Central Committee (I hate that name - sounds Democrapic) as a positive development. He was fighting with Governor Kasich.


23 posted on 04/14/2012 12:33:19 PM PDT by OrioleFan (Republicans believe every day is July 4th, Democrats believe every day is April 15th.)
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To: Reality_News

They haven’t begun to destroy RINOmney yet... Polls now aren’t worth much.


24 posted on 04/14/2012 12:33:26 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ("Of two evils, choose neither." -- Charles Spurgeon)
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To: Reality_News

Pennsylvania’s new Voter ID Law should help keep Philadelphia and the unions honest. If that’s the case, Obama will lose Pennsylvania.


25 posted on 04/14/2012 12:39:13 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Romney and his people seem to be very good at tearing down other candidates. If this transfers to the general election from the primaries, we’ll have quite a battle in that respect if he is the Republican candidate.


26 posted on 04/14/2012 12:46:05 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Mad Dawgg

Also a Buckeye. I think 6 months ago O would lose Ohio, and would trail Sherrod Brown (D) running for Senate. Gov. Kasich really became unpopular last 2 years, but hopefully he has mended fences. He went all out to throw out the Party Chairman (DeWine) who helped win a statewide R sweep. I do not know why Kasich took this internecine tack, but it has been done and I do not know how that will work. It of course split party. Then we have a new insurgency of Conservatives vowing to sit out the presidential race (e.g. FR). If anyone sits out the Prez race, I hope they work to seat a Tea Party Congress to help block O, but as we’ve seen O goes around Congress with impunity (Boehner & McConnell) with czars, recess appointments, agency rules and regs, executive orders, etc. All the Dems have to do is elect ONE guy (O) and they seem focused on doing that. Rs are all over the place - very disorganized and unfocused.


27 posted on 04/14/2012 12:48:11 PM PDT by shalom aleichem
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To: Reality_News

well this so-called rust belt is the heart of this country—that has been under attack for decades-to kill anything-go for the heart! rust-belt is a term of endearment for the left-their shining victory in crushing this great country. If the election is fairly close,we can win in court-if its really close-the fix will be in.


28 posted on 04/14/2012 12:48:45 PM PDT by coalman (survived carter ,disco and clinton,just holding on till 2012)
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To: San Jacinto

Post of the day


29 posted on 04/14/2012 12:56:55 PM PDT by petercooper (The one difference between Obama & Romney: Obama is only half white.)
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To: unkus

Soros purchased the company that counts the votes. It’s already over.


30 posted on 04/14/2012 1:04:58 PM PDT by MattinNJ
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To: USS Alaska

I swore I wouldn’t vote for Romney. That lasted for a week or so. I will hold my nose and do my duty. I think you will see that more and more


31 posted on 04/14/2012 1:07:49 PM PDT by MattinNJ
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To: San Jacinto

Lol, SJ.


32 posted on 04/14/2012 1:08:53 PM PDT by Mountain Mary ("This is OUR country and WE will decide"... Mark Levin)
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To: MattinNJ

“I swore I wouldn’t vote for Romney. That lasted for a week or so. I will hold my nose and do my duty. I think you will see that more and more.”

It’s hard to say. Some like you will cave. Others like me will stand strong and vote on principle. Some of us are done voting for unprincipled liberals who will do anything to win the presidency, including lying and destroying their opponents reputations.

I think that description applies to Romney as well.


33 posted on 04/14/2012 1:14:03 PM PDT by Mountain Mary ("This is OUR country and WE will decide"... Mark Levin)
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To: unkus

Thank goodness for Romney as the nominee. That’s really going to energize the conservative base.

PP Has Ohio at +8 for Obama, and Romney has huge likeability problems right now.


34 posted on 04/14/2012 1:14:40 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge
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To: MattinNJ

Soros purchased the company that counts the votes. It’s already over.


Not to worry. George Bush himself will intervene and stop this treachery./S


35 posted on 04/14/2012 1:19:29 PM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: casinva

PA would be a great state if we could get rid of Philthy and Pittsburgh. They screw it up for the rest of us.


36 posted on 04/14/2012 1:27:00 PM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: smoothsailing
As long as Philadelphia is located within the borders of Pennsylvania, the Keystone state will remain blue. Pennsylvania always show a glimmer of hope of flipping but always disappoints when the votes are counted. Ohio is lost to the unions and redistributionists. For Romney to win the election, he has to win 97 more electoral votes than McCain. I only see Indiana as being a likely EV pickup for the GOP-E at this point in time.
37 posted on 04/14/2012 1:30:46 PM PDT by buckalfa (Nabob of Negativity)
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To: Mountain Mary

I cannot believe that we bright constitutional conservatives cannot find a way to both fight against EVER BEING FORCED TO DRINK GOP KOOLAID and still be able to actively vote against Obama.

I think we can. If we have to vote for Romney as the true lesser evil, we need to start NOW protesting LOUDLY and starting a new party for the future. They got us now because we did not galvanize early enough with the tea party. Political movements take time.

We need to start now for 2016. But I don’t think we need to passively support Obama by not voting. If you are passionate about it, fine, don’t vote for Romney. But he should pick a good conservative as his running mate because he reads FR too and can see he has ZERO CONSERVATIVE SUPPORT. So when he picks someone we like, we can hope that he wins and that maybe the veep will grow to be a future good candidate. Also, if conservatives don’t vote for Pres, they are far less likely to even show up at the polls for the down ticket.

We can do both. I believe in us. We just have to get off our baskets and not waste the 3 years between elections like we did this time. You could smell this coming since 2008 and no one did anything to move a strong, vetted tea party candidate forward. We were counting on Palin and frankly, she is a huge disappointment. She chose the money.


38 posted on 04/14/2012 1:42:28 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: madd dawg

Beyond my comment, I see that Real Clear Politics shows O with a big lead in Ohio from several polls. Not good. Come on, Conservatives. Please go out and vote AGAINST O.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/oh/ohio_romney_vs_obama-1860.html


39 posted on 04/14/2012 1:43:08 PM PDT by shalom aleichem
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To: buckalfa

Philadelphia should belong to New Jersey, but even they don’t want it.


40 posted on 04/14/2012 1:58:28 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: Baynative

See post 19. Also recommend YouTube “Battle of Athens”. Post WWII in GA. PROTECT THE BALLOTS....


41 posted on 04/14/2012 2:23:31 PM PDT by codder too
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To: JCBreckenridge

Thank goodness for Romney as the nominee. That’s really going to energize the conservative base.


Obama is going to energize the conservative base.

I might start spouting support of Romney just to piss off some people. And I do not like Romney.

Go Romney!


42 posted on 04/14/2012 2:28:40 PM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: codder too

I’m very familiar with the Battle of Athens. But, that was an era long gone. People now are more like sheep, I’m afraid. With the help of the media Obama has been tearing down the fabric of our republic with little moves like this transfer of vote counting while everyone is talking about hoodies and stay at home moms.


43 posted on 04/14/2012 2:54:50 PM PDT by Baynative (Please check this out - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFIcZkEzc8I)
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To: Baynative

I hear you and agree. In this age of technology I have no idea how we protect our votes. I trust that my prayer, YOUR WILL BE DONE will lead our ONE NATION, UNDER GOD....


44 posted on 04/14/2012 4:08:11 PM PDT by codder too
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To: Baynative

I hear you and agree. In this age of technology I have no idea how we protect our votes. I trust that my prayer, YOUR WILL BE DONE will lead our ONE NATION, UNDER GOD....


45 posted on 04/14/2012 4:10:24 PM PDT by codder too
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To: Reality_News
At this point, I'd put both states in the swing column, with OH trending GOP, and PA in play, with the potential of trending GOP.

Ask again after Labor Day.

46 posted on 04/15/2012 12:08:08 AM PDT by Prospero
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To: Gay State Conservative

well, don’t count out the hordes of freepers who are going to vote obamey...its a game changer.....


47 posted on 04/15/2012 11:34:23 AM PDT by cherry
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