Skip to comments.Public outrage builds over police officer who fatally shot dog (Austin, Texas)
Posted on 04/17/2012 8:27:51 AM PDT by Timber Rattler
AUSTIN The fatal shooting of a pet dog by an Austin Police Department officer over the weekend is sparking outrage near and far.
As of Monday evening, close to 22,000 people had hit the "Like" button on a Facebook page called Justice for Cisco, the name of Austinite Michael Paxton's dog, which was killed by an officer.
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It seems to me, more cops should be taking “sensitivity training,” rather than using their idiotic fear of everything to govern and justify shooting at anything that moves.
Unfortunately us guys can say some off-the-wall, crass, crude, and rude things that can really chap the hides of other FReepers.
Owning a dog is a bit of an insurance policy against being shot by police. Police everywhere are developing or have developed the expectation that if they are called to any sort of disturbance at a home they are entitled to fire their weapons at some living creature. A dog is the designated first choice of target and the only legitimate target if the citizens at the call are unarmed. If there is no dog, however...Very, very sick. Sick and sad.
And most likely... true.
There is confusion at that house because the resident assumed he was a free citizen and the cop assumes he's the ultimate dictator on a power trip. Hence the confusion.Yup.
Listen to the dialog. After the shot, the cop is basically yelling at the guy for not doing the right thing when some stranger (albeit in uniform) rushes onto to his property, gun drawn, excitedly issuing contradictory orders to a free citizen on his own private property.
Listen to how the cop tries to turn it around like why didn't the citizen do this or that differently.
My little Yorkie would run to the officer to kiss him - I guess he would shoot her, too, like maybe she might kiss him to death? She loves everybody.
In an urban or village setting, I believe that every dog-owner should be required to train his/her/their dog to instantly obey the command to "heel," as well as never to advance on another human without a direct order. And I believe if that animal can not be thus trained, or if the owner will not train it, that animal should be summarily put down.
If such a dog animal attacks me while I am on publicly-accessible property, I will kill it, if it is not under your control and you will not or cannot control it. And if you unlawfully, emotionally, and irrationally try to come for me to "get even" for doing that, I will likewise treat you as an even greater danger, man or woman.
I expect an officer of the law to do likewise, and you ought to respect his person and authority likewise. In this case under discussion, whether the LEO was mistaken in the address or not, if the owner did not, would not, or could not control his animal with intent to harm the officer, the animal should be put down. I further contend that the owner ought to be arrested as possessing a deadly weapon with intent to use.
That said, all rural environments are a completely different issue. Rural property should be treated with great respect as regarding privacy and trespassing, and its animal inhabitants likewise.
I am not at all sympathetic with a dog-owner who will not train his/her "pet" (to him/her but not to others); and who is so emotionally involved with the object of affection that he loses the sense of proportion that it is an animal.
I believe he that allows his/her sense of responsibility to place its welfare of any dog above that of a law-abiding citizen (let alone that of a LEO performing his duties), himself needs firm discipline.
The LEO responded to the call, and instead of knocking on the poor guy's front door like he should have, he walked around back into the yard, startled both the guy and his dog, and then started shooting. After killing the dog and threatening the guy, it suddenly dawns on the LEO that he may have the wrong address and he then panics----"Do you have a girl friend?!?!?!?"
After the coming to the ugly realization that he has screwed up big time, the LEO then tries to cover his arse, first by berating the homeowner about leashes and "controlling your dog," and then accusing the dog of threatening him. The LEO then tried to lie about it when his buddy arrived on the scene. I would like to see the rest of the cam footage to see what was said once the supervisor finally arrived.
Yeah, this story needed to go viral and the Austin police department deserves every bit of criticism that is being heaped upon it this week.
Dogs don't shoot back.
You gotta be kidding!!! Did you even watch the camvideo of the incident?
I further contend that the owner ought to be arrested as possessing a deadly weapon with intent to use.
Are you crazy???
I think this officer should be shot for stupidity. The dog was on the owners property not in the public right of way. Take your boot licking holier than thou bs somewhere else. The cop was wrong and you are wrong.
Stuff like this is leading lots of law-abiding Americans, myself included, to develop a deep and abiding mistrust of the police. My driving drill now dictates exiting the roadway as soon as I can when one is behind me. Why take the chance that they will find a pretext to pull me over and harass me? I definitely would not call them for any reason short of mayhem.
Tis is a horrible one where the owner and dog were just playing when the cops showed up at the wrong house and killed a dog ho was in his won yard with his owner.Someone needs to be fired for this one.
You’re an idiot. The LEO was on private property with his gun drawn, yelling at the owner to put his hands up. The owner was not given a chance to control his dog. The cop was out of line and out of control. And, at the wrong address to boot!
I'm already there, based on a couple of personal highway incidents with local county deputies, who approached and treated me like I was a Muslim terrorist in downtown Baghdad during routine traffic stops, and then brazenly lied in court about the driving citations they gave to me at the time. I got a lawyer and won both cases, but my respect and trust of LEOs was destroyed forever because of their behavior.
Mr. famous detective, please read this thread - what is your call on this? What did you experience with dogs, if you did? What was the rule about dogs or was there one?
That said, if you kill my animal on my property-"village" or rural-you will be lucky to live to regret it. You aren't the only one carrying and willing to shoot.
I’m the same way, I avoid any contact. One of the problems is the age factor. In Oakland, four LEOs retire every month and they are replaced by young inexperiened kids. And you’re right, nothing will happen to Griffin. That poor dog. One minute playing frisbee, the next shot in the chest.
I now often transport animals, so I have additional reasons to avoid confrontations with the cops.
Poster said, “In this case under discussion, whether the LEO was mistaken in the address or not, if the owner did not, would not, or could not control his animal with intent to harm the officer, the animal should be put down.”
You said, “You gotta be kidding!!! Did you even watch the camvideo of the incident?”
Poster said, “I further contend that the owner ought to be arrested as possessing a deadly weapon with intent to use.”
You said, “Are you crazy???”
My Yorkie loves the UPS lady just like she loves everyone else. Yorkie watches for the UPS truck every day and goes totally crazy if truck stops and the UPS lady approaches the door. I pick up Yorkie and hand her to UPS lady while I take the package. It makes the UPS lady’s day and Yorkie’s day.
However, some people are afraid of any dog. I think that cop would have shot my Yorkie. I think he is afraid of any dog and he’s going to kill any dog.
Also, remember, Austin is the most liberal city in this state. It is not typical of Texas at all. I doubt there are many bubbas living there. Couldn’t pay me to live in that place.
What a retard.
Or ex-military guys, who can't leave the "us-vs-them" attitude behind in Iraq or Afghanistan or wherever they served, and just can't adjust to "peace officer" work within civilian communities. That's the case around here where I live.
Many of us are completely redoing our every day movements to avoid dealing with cops if at all possible. I simply do not trust them any more and absolutely refuse to be treated in an undignified manner by some steroid-addled punk just out of academy.
Why couldn’t cops carry pepper spray and use that on a dog that scared them? But if one sprayed my Yorkie with it, he would be sorry when I got through with him.
That was then and this is now.
I was being sarcastic. But, think about it. The Humane Society is always having to kill dogs. So, call the cops and let them kill them since they seem to really enjoy killing dogs.
Dig that hole deeper, she is going to get you.
Do you belong to a government union? If so, I have two words that should chill you to the bone - PENSION REFORM
I have been retired for 10 years and I have not looked back, so I am not very famous... LOL
-What is your call on this?
I don’t like making a call on any of these types of cases without ALL of the facts and we never get them on the media and the internet. For example, exactly what information did dispatch give to the officer....? Why did he feel it necessary to jump out of the car with his gun drawn? Did he see the dog running at the car before or after he exited the car? Some would argue with me, but not all emergencies are emergencies.... I used to call it the “911 mentality”.
However, if the officer is found to be within the law and in compliance with dept. policy, the most that will happen to him will be a letter placed in his personnel file. The department may very well be found liable for the dogs death and damages in a civil court. If it were me, I’d sue.
-What did you experience with dogs, if you did?
I dealt with hundreds of dogs over the years. Some were good, some not so friendly. I carried dog treats, just like the UPS guys do and I also carried pepper spray. Unlike most cops, I also carried a dog sleeve in my trunk, although I never found it necessary to use it. The closest I have ever been bitten... was from my own dog. LOL
I have fed a few dogs, tossed them treats, but I never found it necessary to pepper spray a dog. I NEVER found it necessary to shoot a dog. I ran a drug task force for 6 years, executing search warrants and high risk entries was very much part of the job.
-What was the rule about dogs or was there one?
Our department policy was very much like the one in the article. I worked for a Sheriff’s Department and not once in my entire 30 years did ANY Deputy shoot a dog.
What I have seen over the past few years in the ever growing frequency of LEO involved dog shootings is simply ridiculous. Some may very well be justified and I am sure some are, but the numbers speak for themselves.
It actually takes far more than a degree, ability to pass a written test and a gun to be a good cop, it actually takes guts, integrity and commonsense. I didn’t like John Wayne cops and I didn’t like cowards or crooks and those kinds of cops were scared to death to work for me because they knew they were doomed. Every one of them knew that working for me was a career move, up, down or out.
Unfortunately, we are forced to select cops from the human race. Life is like a box of chocolates...some pieces might actually have worms. LOL
NOTE: Any cop hater thinking of arguing with me on any of this is wasting their time... I already know that I am right and you are wrong. LOL
I’m glad you were being sarcastic! No... I won’t think about a cop shooting some poodle in the head so he or she can feel all “warm and fuzzy” inside. Nope.. not going to do it. LOL!
Not according to the preliminary evaluation by APD. They say the same.
The LEO was on private property with his gun drawn, yelling at the owner to put his hands up.
Yes, good for him! For your information, domestic disturbance is one of the most extremely dangerous situations for an LEO that exists. Hence his gun drawn, which is his rightful and safe approach. What do you do when an officer, clearly in uniform, and vested with arrest powers, commands you to stop and put your hands up? If you care for your life at all, you stop and put your hands up and DO NOT ARGUE WITH HIM!
The owner was not given a chance to control his dog.
The dog was not under his control (as it should have been), not trained to refrain from attacking a stranger, and therefore terminated. If a person came furiously and aggressively shouting with apparent intent to harm the officer with a dangerous weapon, would he not have shot that person? Wake up!
The cop was out of line and out of control.
Actually, no, he was not. He was under control of the situation. Of course, he knew the occupant might not expect him and be surprised. He was quite prepared for such an event, any event, and acted accordingly. He was pronounced to have done so by his administration, quite rightly.
And, at the wrong address to boot!
He was at the address to which he was directed by the dispatcher. Please note that the mistake was not his. He was in the pursuit of accomplishing his orders. He was not unlawfully entering a residence, only on a property lawfully. Perhaps he heard commotion at the rear of the house. What would you have done, in his position, without backup? It might well have been a life-threatening altercation in progress, with an aggressive animal coming at you.
Who is the idiot here?
Clearly, we have a population trained during and since the 'late '60s and '70s to despise and defy, rather than respect properly constituted authority, especially in the local law officers. They can be wrong, but you risk your life and well-being in being predisposed to resist an LEO, even if they are.
The dog was in the wrong; the LEO was not. In my book, in this case, he gets an A plus.
The owner was negligent in the dog's attitude. The dog-owner gets an F in the dog-obedience course. He heard his dog's behavior and did not immediately curb it.
To me, the FR responders who are more concerned for the dog's welfare than for that of the responding officer have a greatly misplaced compassion.
“Rural property should be treated with great respect as regarding privacy and trespassing, and its animal inhabitants likewise”.
So... you are saying that people who live on ten acres have more rights than someone living in a townhome? How about a condo or an apartment? I guess those people shouldn’t have any sort of property rights.
“I expect an officer of the law to do likewise, and you ought to respect this person and authority likewise”. Respect is earned. Just because some person went to 22 weeks of rookie school.. doesn’t mean he or she automatically can do whatever they want. Some law enforcement officers are good people. Some aren’t. Some are jack booted, seal team wannabees... getting off on their “authority”.
You have got to be one of the biggest morons I have seen on this site for some time. The officer was wrong he should have waited for backup and he had no reason to have his weapon drawn. Respect is earned not given and just because you have a badge doesn’t give you the right to be an a**hole. I hope the owner sues the crap out of the APD they deserve it and as for the officer he should find another line of work he just isn’t cut out for LE.
I really respect your taking the time to answer this topic with experience and wisdom.
I am simply not tolerant with dog-lovers who get illogically rabid far oftener and sooner than their pooch pals. I love good, well-behaving dogs as friends. But I do not have one myself because of the tremendous responsibility for training and caring for one. Some people won't even train their kids, let alone their dog(s). Both require it to be decent citizens.
With appreciation -- (See Romans 13:1-5, regarding LEOs, who are appointed by God as His ministers. I always hope that all LEOs take this Scriptural commission very seriously.)
The blue line has brought low the reputation and stature of the police because they continue to protect each other more than the citizens they are supposed to protect. Many officers are good but they fail to speak up when an officer is bad or when they make mistakes. In this case the officer at least made a mistake. The shooting of this animal was not a good shoot. Being a LEO is not a license to kill at will. But many LEOs will back up another officer no matter what and that is wrong.
Bubba, the dear old black lab, is 11 also. He has a really scary bark, sounds like he means it.
He would not hurt a soul. He loves everyone and every animal.
But he sounds a little scary. If police come to the door, think I would put him in another room.
I had to beg a cable repair guy to come in...he was from Nigeria and really afraid of Bubba. I had to swear that Bubba wouldn’t hurt him. Bubba was fine but he kept giving nervous glances toward him. Different culture, I guess.
No, what I am saying is that in a village or urban environment you have much greater responsibilities toward those who share the same space with you. Particularly with training your pooch and with his potential dangerous qualities. I've seen too many children whose beauty has been permanently marred by the unpredictable behavior of a dog.
Respect is earned. Just because some person went to 22 weeks of rookie school...
No, one respects the office. That is to be given as a matter of you, representatively, having appointed him/her to the office. What you think of the person is up to you. But 22 months or 22 years, they carry the authority to arrest and/or dispense summary justice on the spot, if so called for. Thinking otherwise would be foolish. Respect is something to be given, say for instance, a 12 gauge shotgun. That gun never needs to earn respect, whether thought to be loaded or unloaded.
Well, I'm not an LEO nor would I ever want to be, with this kind of support. But I'm thinking this a response you might like to try out on the next trooper who stops you for a traffic infraction, or who drags you out of your car after an accident? True respect is not something that ever has to be earned.
With respect --
The whole incident is more or less caught on cam and shown on one of the in-thread links above. Check it out if you have time.
This is almost exactly how I viewed the Troopers after my first run-in with the New York State Police at the age of 11 years old. Not good for a Methodist preacher's son. The Trooper was almost as formidable as my father in the outcome. At least the Trooper did not lay a hand on me --
Have a good day --
TR, it wouldn’t work the first two times I went to the link. Finally it did, but that was after I had already posted. The vid does shed a bit more light on the subject, but from the top of my head, I can think of 20 more questions that I would ask in an internal investigation. Frankly, from what I have seen/read, I do not believe that this dog needed to die....
I decided not to follow up with any new post, because I hate these debates when some folks don’t have a clue about reality and many just shoot from the hip/lip. My primary intent was to answer the questions that I was asked by a single poster-—long winded that I tend to be, LOL, and then get out of the discussion.
This crap has got to stop.
Exactly. One of these days, and it may not be long, some punk LEO is going to shoot the wrong dog and will be promptly blown away by the dog's owner.
After that happens, these punks with a badge will be more circumspect about drawing that gun.
Respect must always be earned it is never giving just because of a badge. If I were to be pulled I would be respectful simple because it is the prudent thing to do anything less is just stupid. All intelligent adults know this. I'm pretty sure you know this but you seem to be oblivious to the sheer number of dogs shot by LEO for no good reason. This has to stop the LEO's in this country have changed and not for the better. It is now more of a paramilitary operation than a peace keeping one. Not all fall into this category I would think that the gung ho types are in the minority at least I hope they are. The cops I meet here are friendly for the most part. The only thing I see is they tend to be a little standoffish. This may be because of the nasty people they deal with. I find that if one is nice that you get that in return. Having said that if a LEO comes one my property and shots one of my dogs for no reason on my property there will be hell to pay.
The APD announced today that there would be a thorough investigation. This is not a closed case. The police officer officer’s behavior after the shooting was despicable. He showed no humanity to the crying owner even after he realized he was at the wrong house. BTW, my brother is a cop (20 years.) He would be the first to tell you that your “blind faith” in cops is misplaced. Why didn’t he wait for back-up if he felt the situation was so dangerous he had to enter the property with his gun drawn?
If I was a city councilman in Austin I’d bring up the motion to have cops kill unwanted dogs just to show how inhumane it is. I’ve never heard of an incident of a cop shooting a dog where the evidence justified the shooting.
This is a city that hired a guy with a bow and arrow to kill feral hogs because they didn’t want anyone shooting them with guns. Yet a cop shoots a dog and gets away with it.
So, if i have this straight, an intruder shot a non-government employee citizen’s dog and the intruder expects to be immune from criminal charges because he is a government employee?
“We’re sorry that the dog owner lost his dog over the incident,” said Sgt. Daniels. “It’s an unfortunate situation, but the officer was basically in retreat, and he fired his weapon in self-defense. “
He has it backwards; the dog was on its property and was where it was supposed to be.
The officer wasn’t at the right address. He was NOT where he was supposed to be.
Therefore, the dog was truly defending, and the officer was truly intruding.
If you think you deserve respect, tell me why.
With respect --
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