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Test turns to humiliation for kindergartner
KY3 ^ | 4/19/2012 | Sara Forhetz, KY3 News

Posted on 04/19/2012 6:01:35 PM PDT by Morgana

WASHBURN, Mo. -- A mother is upset over over a classroom incident that left her kindergartner embarrassed. A 6-year-old girl had an accident in her classroom, and her parents are pushing for policy changes.

"They told me that the teacher had asked her to go to the restroom before testing time," said mother Lisa Skidmore.

Skidmore says asking a young child to go to the bathroom on demand is next to impossible.

"You can't do that to a 6-year-old." That's why, when her kindergartner told her teacher she had to go to the restroom during the test and wasn't allowed, Skidmore couldn't believe it. Her little girl couldn't hold it.

"They didn't even bother trying to clean her up or anything. She still had poop, diarrhea poop, coming out the back, up her front, down her legs," she said.

Skidmore says her daughter was forced to sit in the class for the remainder of test time, about 15 minutes, then mom was called after the test, and it was a 20-minute drive to school to pick up her daughter.

All the while, the little girl had to sit in the mess. No one bothered to clean her up, although a teacher did give her a trash bag to wrap around herself.

"You don't even treat a dog that way!" Skidmore said.

She says she's hoping policy will change, and common sense will prevail.

"I don't want this to happen to any other kid. That's the point of this: I don't want this ever happening."

School District Superintendent Bob Walker didn't want to go on camera but said he wishes the school would've handled it differently.

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1 posted on 04/19/2012 6:01:41 PM PDT by Morgana
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To: Morgana
The family isn't pressing charges, but likely pressed hard enough for the school to consider changing its ways.

Stupid, stupid, stupid.

Sue the hell out of the teacher and the school. Demand a jury of parents with 6 year olds.

Then agree to forfeit all money, and all damages, and hold everyone harmless, if the teacher, principal and superintendent sit in front of the school, on camera, and shit themselves, and sit in their shit for 15 minutes, and then have the video go to YouTube.

These people are demonic.

2 posted on 04/19/2012 6:11:29 PM PDT by Talisker (He who commands, must obey.)
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To: kalee

hmmm...sounds familiar... but without the benefit of a trash bag to wrap up in.


3 posted on 04/19/2012 6:12:28 PM PDT by Cailleach
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To: Morgana

Why are 6 year olds even taking these kinds of tests?

I hope the parents do not force that child to go back there - kids will taunt her for years...

If not homeschool - then I’d sue for enough for a private school -


4 posted on 04/19/2012 6:12:38 PM PDT by maine-iac7 ("If you bought it - a truck brought it" - and because of the price of gas/it costs more.)
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To: Talisker; Morgana

That sounds like a plan.


5 posted on 04/19/2012 6:13:42 PM PDT by tomkat ( ... shall NOT be abridged)
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To: Morgana

Why do 6 year olds need to take a test anyway? Seriously, what’s the point?


6 posted on 04/19/2012 6:15:05 PM PDT by eclecticEel (Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness: 7/4/1776 - 3/21/2010)
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To: Talisker; Clintonfatigued

More public school fun time.


7 posted on 04/19/2012 6:15:54 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (If you like lying Socialist dirtbags, you'll love Slick Willard)
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To: eclecticEel

Need to make sure they know about global warming and fisting. Can’t be too young to get them started on the road to disordered leftist indoctrination.


8 posted on 04/19/2012 6:17:46 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (If you like lying Socialist dirtbags, you'll love Slick Willard)
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To: Morgana

Try that trick during the SATs.


9 posted on 04/19/2012 6:19:48 PM PDT by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: Morgana

I know parents who refuse to send their children to public schools because of the NCLB testing hysteria.

It’s not worth it, really it isn’t.


10 posted on 04/19/2012 6:23:18 PM PDT by goldi
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To: Morgana

What an unfortunate last name. The incident may be a teasing point for a very long time.


11 posted on 04/19/2012 6:25:50 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (Burning the Quran is a waste of perfectly good fire.)
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To: Morgana

I wet my pants in Kindergarten while standing in front of the class during telling time. I also resisting using the bathroom when requested. That was 60 years ago. I got over the trauma almost immediately. But then my mother did not make a big deal of it.


12 posted on 04/19/2012 6:28:15 PM PDT by w1andsodidwe (Barrak has nowuwon the contest. He is even worse than Jimmah.)
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To: eclecticEel; maine-iac7
The teacher was preparing them for what they would experience down the road in 3rd grade.
13 posted on 04/19/2012 6:30:40 PM PDT by abigailsmybaby ("To understan' the livin', you got ta commune wit' da dead." Minerva)
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To: fieldmarshaldj; metmom; wintertime

As Wintertime observed, some schools are so bad, it’s better to have no education at all than to attend them.


14 posted on 04/19/2012 6:58:08 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (A liberal's compassion is limited to the size of other peoples' paychecks)
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To: Morgana

The publik skoolz keep forgetting who is in charge and pays for this crap!


15 posted on 04/19/2012 7:01:58 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Cailleach

Can you imagine a worse thing for someone named SKIDMORE??

jeesh


16 posted on 04/19/2012 7:04:28 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Morgana

Oh, puleeze. My dog figured out on her own that before getting into the car where she might not get a potty break at the right time, that it’s best to run and do her business before jumping into the car. Never had to tell her. Smart dog, not so smart parent of kindergartener.


17 posted on 04/19/2012 7:12:58 PM PDT by bgill
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To: w1andsodidwe

I remember in nursery school that the nun refused to help me undo my overalls. Mean old biddy (young but biddy none the less) claimed her hands were cold. I ended up messing in my pants so the other nuns made me go the rest of the day in borrowed underwear and nothing else, not even my shirt. I’ll never forgive them for that and some dozen other wrongs.


18 posted on 04/19/2012 7:19:43 PM PDT by bgill
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To: maine-iac7

I wet my pants when I was six because I was waiting for my brother and I didn’t know that I could go back into the school. I was very shy and never, ever wanted to get in trouble. That was 52 years ago and there is someone who remembers and brings it up at every reunion.


19 posted on 04/19/2012 8:06:06 PM PDT by tiki
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To: Morgana
"You can't do that to a 6-year-old." That's why, when her kindergartner told her teacher she had to go to the restroom during the test and wasn't allowed, Skidmore couldn't believe it. Her little girl couldn't hold it.

Actually - yes you can. Every time we leave for any significant drive, we make certain that our two girls go to the bathroom before we leave. It has been quite some time since we have had to make an "unscheduled" stop.

- Now, I realize that not all children have been taught to follow such direction, it IS possible for most children to learn to follow schedules.

And for those who want to lay all the blame on the school - if this was mandated standardized testing, then the school's hands are likely tied. As a former teacher who had to help administer such tests for several years - for many states, the regulations are so strict that if a child is allowed to leave the room for essential any reason, the school can get in big trouble, and the teacher actually lose his/her teacher license.

Any and all "breaks" required all test materials being taken up (ONLY between timed testing periods) and secured (lock and key), all students supervised while going on break/bathroom.

The insanity comes from states (and the Federal Government + the No Child Left Behind Fiasco) trying to "protect the integrity of standardized tests".

BUT - if this was not a state/Federal mandated test with such regulations - and this is actually a school policy - something needs to be investigated.

20 posted on 04/19/2012 8:08:44 PM PDT by TheBattman (Isn't the lesser evil... still evil?)
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To: TheBattman
Actually - yes you can. Every time we leave for any significant drive, we make certain that our two girls go to the bathroom before we leave. It has been quite some time since we have had to make an "unscheduled" stop.

You didn't say if your girls are 6 years old. But no matter their age, you're saying that if they had an accident, you'd make them sit in their shit for a half hour while you kept driving? Great.

And for those who want to lay all the blame on the school - if this was mandated standardized testing, then the school's hands are likely tied. As a former teacher who had to help administer such tests for several years - for many states, the regulations are so strict that if a child is allowed to leave the room for essential any reason, the school can get in big trouble, and the teacher actually lose his/her teacher license.

What bull - an "essential reason" means it's - essential. Which means it's the reason the school would NOT "get into trouble" nor would any teacher "lose their license." Or are you saying that if they did NOT force that little 6 year old girl to sit in her shit for a half hour in front of her classmates, that the school would have "gotten in trouble" and the teacher would have "lost her license"? Good Lord, do you even bother reading what you wrote?

Any and all "breaks" required all test materials being taken up (ONLY between timed testing periods) and secured (lock and key), all students supervised while going on break/bathroom.

So what? I mean really, so what? So in order to avoid that bother, 6 year old girls (or anyone, really, for who the hell are teachers to decide?) should be forced to SIT IN THEIR SHIT?

You're a former teacher? Yeah, I believe it. THANK GOD you're out of the classroom. And now that you have more time - get psychiatric help. Because you're defending the indefensible with lies. And if you think I'm overreacting, if you think I'm being unfair, then do an experiment - sit in front of your family, shit yourself, and then sit there for a half hour. THEN tell me you're rational.

And BTW, your disclaimer is pathetic - it only serves to prove you know exactly how revolting you are.

21 posted on 04/19/2012 8:34:17 PM PDT by Talisker (He who commands, must obey.)
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To: bgill

child abuse!


22 posted on 04/19/2012 9:11:06 PM PDT by Shimmer1 (Every time a liberal gets pissed off an angel gets their wings.)
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To: Talisker

You said just exactly what I wanted to say. Thank you


23 posted on 04/19/2012 9:15:43 PM PDT by Shimmer1 (Every time a liberal gets pissed off an angel gets their wings.)
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To: TheBattman

I quite agree with you but in this case the child was sick. A good teacher/mom/anyone for that matter ought to be tell if a child is just wasting time or really “has to go”.

What is worse is letting the child sit there in human filth. Do you realize what a haz-mat situation that was? Not surprised every kid had what she had by the end of the day. That was just stupid on that teacher’s part. A janitor should have been called right away to clean up the mess and the kid sent home.


24 posted on 04/19/2012 10:03:11 PM PDT by Morgana (I only come here to see what happens next. It normally does.)
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To: Talisker

I agree with you in that a child should not be forced to sit in their own filth.

I have a feeling that teacher was so pressured by her superiors to “make the kids take the tests” that she did what she did. Plus the fact that she is heartless.

If I were the teacher I would not want to smell a kid who just had an accident like that. I’d call for the janitor and send the child to the school nurse or office just to be rid of the smell.

These parents really need to file charges of child abuse against the teacher/school.


25 posted on 04/19/2012 10:09:30 PM PDT by Morgana (I only come here to see what happens next. It normally does.)
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To: Talisker; jimrob; Admin Moderator
Nice personal attacks with absolutely no clue to which you are replying.

You didn't say if your girls are 6 years old. But no matter their age, you're saying that if they had an accident, you'd make them sit in their shit for a half hour while you kept driving? Great.

Our girls are currently 8 and 6 years old. We have never, and would never make one "sit in their sh__ "(why you felt the need to use profanity to illustrate your defective and assumptive view is beyond me, but offensive either way)."

It's quite simple - we have a drill before hitting the road (long or short hop trips) - everyone goes to the bathroom immediately before we head out the door. Same goes for when we leave whatever location we went to (restaurant, friend's house, family, etc.). It just is part of the usual routine. In the last 3 years, we have had to make maybe 2 "emergency unscheduled stops" for potty breaks. We space out schedule breaks around everyone's needs (and when we say "schedule - that isn't a set time on the clock... just a reasonable amount of road progress plus the "needs" of the family at the time). If we have stopped for a meal - we know that a break will be needed sooner.

I left teaching voluntarily to enter full-time ministry. I never had an issue with bathroom troubles (was actually a band director - teaching students from 4th - 12th Grade. Biggest potty issues were not with the younger children, but with the 7th-9th graders who like to test boundaries. Still - was not a regular issue for me or my classes.

And finally - what "LIES" did I post? I assume you are speaking from someone actively engaged in the teaching profession who has read the documents that the test administrators must sign that clearly state ANY AND ALL deviations from the long list of rules are grounds for disciplinary actions up to and including revocation of teaching license. I was required to sign such a document at least 3 times.

Here in Arkansas, there are teams that are sent out by the Arkansas Department of Education to do drop-in monitoring. They just show up at a campus, and walk in like they own the place. If they see any violations (even minor), the sh__ word you apparently have a fascination with (considering you used it multiple times in your psychotic rail against my previous post) hits the fan. Administrators run around paranoid. Teachers walk on egg shells... it is not a pleasant time.

So - next time you decide to falsely accuse me (or anyone else here on FR) of lying, or of needing psychological help, you might ought to check your own pants for the load of sh__ you seem to be obsessed with.

26 posted on 04/19/2012 10:14:23 PM PDT by TheBattman (Isn't the lesser evil... still evil?)
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To: Morgana; 2Jedismom; 6amgelsmama; AAABEST; aberaussie; AccountantMom; Aggie Mama; agrace; ...

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27 posted on 04/19/2012 10:33:34 PM PDT by metmom ( For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: TheBattman; Morgana

Actually - yes you can. Every time we leave for any significant drive, we make certain that our two girls go to the bathroom before we leave. It has been quite some time since we have had to make an “unscheduled” stop.

* * *

I agree with you about kids *in general* of that age. Our five-year-old boys can certainly pee “on demand” and do so all the time, every time we get ready to leave the house. (Though if they’ve drunk a lot of liquid, sometimes even the “preventative peeing” doesn’t prevent a stop halfway to our destination.)

However, the story said the child had diarrhea. Diarrhea does not show up when YOU want it to (i.e., at the kids’ scheduled bathroom time). It shows up at the most inconvenient time possible, in my experience even as an adult. If you’ve picked up some sort of virus or whathaveyou, the diarrhea can come on very suddenly, without warning. So when that poor child told her teacher she had to go . . . she meant she had to GO. NOW.

Teacher’s fault. If the kid says they have to go, they probably really mean it.


28 posted on 04/19/2012 11:09:05 PM PDT by Hetty_Fauxvert (If you back Newt . . . then SEND HIM MONEY!! "Be Breitbart, Baby!")
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To: Morgana

I remember those tests, Minnesota or something.

Every single one of them I never ever wrote the right answer, I just randomly marked the boxes, some could have been right for all I care.

Years later I read that by randomly marking the answers generally gave more correct answers than the average studen was able to give.

And when my son has to take these tests I tell him to just mark at random.

I don’t believe in the big pre-destiny idea of job and career placement based upon testing like this, its reeks of manipulation, culture breeding and harvesting.


29 posted on 04/19/2012 11:19:31 PM PDT by Eye of Unk (Liberals need not reply.)
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To: Morgana

...it’s a public school, why should anyone be surprised?


30 posted on 04/19/2012 11:53:11 PM PDT by BobL
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To: Morgana

Diarrhea sometimes doesn’t give much warning.


31 posted on 04/19/2012 11:57:15 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: TheBattman

Well, I don’t know about the lying part. I certainly do feel you are telling the truth, indeed smugly so...minister!

Control freak much?


32 posted on 04/20/2012 12:44:05 AM PDT by mdmathis6 (Christ came not to make man into God but to restore fellowship of the Godhead with man.)
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To: Morgana

Kindergarten basically lasts all the way through 12th grade anymore, what with the government schools routinely putting the headbangers in with the regular kids (they call this “mainstreaming”) and then requiring an extra teacher in the classroom to deal with the constant disruptions. Yikes. Parents, get your kids out of the government schools if you love them.


33 posted on 04/20/2012 1:13:47 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Lx
Try that trick during the SATs.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Six year old children are not taking the SAT or ACT.

34 posted on 04/20/2012 4:41:10 AM PDT by wintertime (Reforming a government K-12 school is like reforming an abortion center.)
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To: TheBattman; Clintonfatigued
The insanity comes from states (and the Federal Government + the No Child Left Behind Fiasco) trying to "protect the integrity of standardized tests".

Geeze!... Where have we heard this before.? ....( Thinking)....Oh yes! The Nueremberg Trail. " I was just following orders".

Honestly,....There are schools that are soooo emotionally, physically, sexually, and spiritually abusive that it would be better for the child to NEVER attend. Using your argument it now seems that **all** government schools are **that** bad.

35 posted on 04/20/2012 4:53:04 AM PDT by wintertime (Reforming a government K-12 school is like reforming an abortion center.)
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To: TheBattman
The insanity comes from states (and the Federal Government + the No Child Left Behind Fiasco) trying to "protect the integrity of standardized tests".

Let's see? Job or child abuse? Job or child abuse?

So?....From your post, I conclude that teachers are willing to abuse children for a paycheck. Wow!

Parents: WARNING! This seems to be the mentality. Paycheck over child safety and well-being. GET YOUR CHILDREN OUT OF THE GOVERNMENT SCHOOLS! ( Yes, I am shouting, jumping up and down, and having a fit.)

36 posted on 04/20/2012 4:58:30 AM PDT by wintertime (Reforming a government K-12 school is like reforming an abortion center.)
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To: Morgana
This experience will follow that little girl around for the rest of her life. These “educators” are hellbent on destroying our children.
37 posted on 04/20/2012 4:58:38 AM PDT by liberalh8ter (If Barack has a memory like a steel trap, why can't he remember what the Constitution says?)
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To: Eye of Unk
I don’t believe in the big pre-destiny idea of job and career placement based upon testing like this, its reeks of manipulation, culture breeding and harvesting.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Culture Breeding? Harvesting? Hm?....Yes, it does seem like that.

It is for unique insights like this that I read Free Republic. It is very astute of you to make an observation like this.

38 posted on 04/20/2012 5:07:09 AM PDT by wintertime (Reforming a government K-12 school is like reforming an abortion center.)
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To: Morgana
I wet my pant in the 2nd grade because an older boy had tried to molest me in the bathroom earlier. Unfortunately, I didn't report this to the teacher until after I couldn't hold it any more. The incident was passed off as harmless. Ahhh, the '70s
39 posted on 04/20/2012 5:14:03 AM PDT by Jack of all Trades (Hold your face to the light, even though for the moment you do not see.)
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To: Jack of all Trades

Molestation in the bathroom by an older boy seems to be a “big deal” to me.

So?....Please tell me. Why should parents subject second graders to molestation by older boys? How is this preparing them for the real world?


40 posted on 04/20/2012 5:46:45 AM PDT by wintertime (Reforming a government K-12 school is like reforming an abortion center.)
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To: Talisker; TheBattman

I am also a former teacher who administered these tests and if a student (12 & 13 year olds) had to use the bathroom, we allowed them to go with an approved adult (who stood outside of the bathroom, not inside). These were usually parents who volunteered to be proctors who were there as witnesses just in case any ‘funny stuff’ was reported.

The point of the story that everyone who says, “damn straight my kid could have held it” seems to be missing is the child was having diarrhea. Can everyone here claim that they can hold that anytime??? Especially a younger kid who asked to go to the bathroom. What a bunch of maniacs some of you are. I have four kids and expect them to ‘hold it’ on car trips, etc, but diarrhea is sort of an unforeseen problem. Making the child sit there for over a half an hour was horrific.

I told my students at the beginning of every year that they were required to ask to go to the bathroom unless they were about to vomit or have diarrhea, and then they were free to bolt out of the room. Sheesh, even during one of the big tests like this, I would just have the proctor follow them if they were bolting out, and assume it was a real emergency. This teacher should be treated VERY harshly.


41 posted on 04/20/2012 6:04:05 AM PDT by Rutabega (No one reads these anyway, right?)
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To: wintertime

I’m OK with saying “they shouldn’t” and being done with it. I’m not about to parse out all the why’s of my life for you.


42 posted on 04/20/2012 6:11:45 AM PDT by Jack of all Trades (Hold your face to the light, even though for the moment you do not see.)
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To: Morgana

6-year-olds belong with their parents, not in an institution.


43 posted on 04/20/2012 10:54:14 AM PDT by Sopater (...where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. - 2 COR 3:17b)
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To: TheBattman
And for those who want to lay all the blame on the school - if this was mandated standardized testing, then the school's hands are likely tied. As a former teacher who had to help administer such tests for several years - for many states, the regulations are so strict that if a child is allowed to leave the room for essential any reason, the school can get in big trouble, and the teacher actually lose his/her teacher license.

So in other words, schools have their priorities completely mixed up.
44 posted on 04/20/2012 11:00:17 AM PDT by Sopater (...where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. - 2 COR 3:17b)
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To: w1andsodidwe

Exactly. On the one hand, the teacher should’ve sent the child to the school nurse to wait, and six-year-olds shouldn’t be required to sit through tests with strict rules. But, OTOH, these kinds of accidents are not unusual for young children.

When I was in first grade (Catholic school, circa 1970), I remember two different students wetting themselves in class. Another girl threw up all over the nun. I personally felt sorry for the nun. That same year, I myself threw up all over a lunch table after the nun saw that I hadn’t finished my sandwich, picked my lunch bag out of the trash, and ordered me to finish it. (I’m sure she never did that again.) ;-)

I sure am glad none of our parents ran to the news media to tell what happened, or else there would’ve been a record of those events for many years to come.


45 posted on 04/20/2012 6:13:10 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes
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To: Talisker

You are pretty naive (and somewhat illogical in your rant). Yes, the school would have probably gotten into trouble if the teacher had allowed the girl a potty break. The tests are to be handled strictly in accordance with policy - and every school has to treat the policy the same way or the tests are invalid. Teachers in PS have their hands tied when it comes to policy, be it federal, state, or district. I do not defend the establishment, and I believe the teacher in this case was in the wrong, severely so. However, I have been there, done that, got the T-shirt, and burned it. The schools have the teachers between a rock and a hard place because of all the ridiculous testing requirements. There is so much money riding on results that any teacher not upholding policy is dismissed/ or contract not renewed.

6 is pretty young to expect to sit for long periods of time without potty breaks. Any Kindergarten teacher, or school principal for that matter, knows that. It’s not just the teacher who was out of line, it was also the policy. It is unrealistic to apply policy written for older children to the youngest children in the school. If anyone deserves a break it is the younger children because they are still learning how to be students.

I would like to believe I would have handled the situation differently, and been as discretely as possible, but also planning into the testing periodic breaks where, yes, all test booklets have to be taken up and secured, and all children monitored while they potty. Really, the rules they (kids and teachers) have to follow are so severe, it’s amazing there is any sanity left. Did you know that children are expected to have their ‘business’ done well under 2 minutes? During testing times, they, the students, have to all go to the hallway and stand in line waiting their turn to go 1 at a time to the restroom, and do their business silently and be monitored by an adult to ensure there is no passing of information. Heaven forbid a Kinder will *gasp* cheat. Everyone has to have gone before 10 minutes are up. These days, 10 minutes is a whole recess, well at least it is where I live.

You can be outraged all you want, but this will continue to happen as long as there are standardized tests in Kindergarten. The answer is not to barrage a former teacher for telling the truth, but to make a change - for yourself, or for your children. If you have not already, take your kids out of public school. Private schools have their own sets of tests, but they are not under such scrutiny as those public schools administer. Homeschool your kids if you cannot afford private school. Don’t come back and tell me you have to work. I have friends who homeschool their children and work full time. I also have friends who homeschool their children and are attending college themselves because they need to work. If you want it bad enough you will find a way to do it. The school system is broken. I would love to be able to fix it. Short of that, I can teach my children how they need to be taught - which is not how they’d be taught if they went to school.


46 posted on 04/20/2012 9:44:05 PM PDT by Peanut Gallery
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