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The Case Against Pangea
NealAdams.com ^ | Unknown | Neal Adams

Posted on 04/22/2012 3:53:17 PM PDT by Windflier

First… it’s important to understand that this is the most profound disagreement in all of science in a century and a half… and, even so, it is the tip of the iceberg, the ramifications of this disagreement will change everything we know in science, top to bottom.

To begin with basic stuff.

All science knows…
The earth has two crusts. One…the mostly basalt lower crust or the oceanic crust which is 2 – 4 miles deeper down than the higher upper continental crust. This lower crust, essentially covers the Earth. It … this crust is being made daily at rift cracks that snake around the earth’s mid- oceans. But how could all these rifts continually spread apart…without the Earth growing? Ah….that is the question….isn’t it?

Secondly,
Sitting on or “in” and “as part of” the oceanic crust is the second higher upper crust or the Continental Crust rising for the most part out of the water. It is made mostly of granitic rock, which is 2.5 times the weight of water.

Some edge area of the Continental Crust or Plate dips into and under the sea level of the ocean. This area is what we call the Continental Shelf. So as you go out into the ocean and the water gets gradually deeper … that is the Continental Shelf. At a given distance out into the ocean the ocean floor suddenly drops off and goes down like a plummet… 2 ½ to 4 miles to the deep ocean floor, where we find the second lower crust, the Oceanic Crust made mostly of basalts which are 3.0 – 3.3 times the weight of water. So to make it visually clear, if you took the water away what you would see as you go out into the ocean a distance is, the Continental Shelf would suddenly drop away and down like a ridge in Arizona., except it would go straight down for two to three miles, as if it was suddenly broken off. The other side of that broken off ridge is across the ocean thousands of miles in Europe, or Africa and west to Australia and Asia.

How did the two sides of this higher crust spread apart?

Rifts or eruptive cracks in the ocean floor provide new material in the form of molten magmic rock that rises up at a rift area and the oceanic plate spreads apart and the two sides move away from each other smoothly and regularly, and so the continents welded within the oceanic plates also move apart as the ocean bottom spreads…. Now if this happens … and it does, all over the world, logically speaking, this Earth must grow.

We … I … argue that, that this outer crust originally covered the whole of a smaller Earth and the Earth sphere grew. The outer crust, therefore, had to crack and spread to accommodate a growing Earth…which…it apparently did.

We further argue that if you were to shrink the sphere of Earth … by letting the oceanic plate re-enter the rifts they erupted from, over time … the continental crust would easily and completely fit back together, and this solution satisfies all questions of tectonics, science, geology, paleontology, theoretical and practical physics, cosmology, and subatomic physics. Pretty simple actually.


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Watch the videos on Neal's site to see his expanding earth theory in action. He shows how all the land masses of the earth fit neatly together when you shrink the ball they're sitting on.

Amazing stuff. Start with video #0.

1 posted on 04/22/2012 3:53:23 PM PDT by Windflier
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And it’s not just Earth. Neal shows how the same theory works on planets and moons throughout our solar system.

Neat stuff, and very profound.


2 posted on 04/22/2012 3:55:15 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier
Amazingly stupid stuff that completely discards the well-documented phenomenon of subduction zones.

He needs to pick up a Geology 101 textbook before he makes a bigger fool of himself.

3 posted on 04/22/2012 3:56:28 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy

Nah. The continents used to cover the whole earth when they were flat. After The Flood, they got all wrinkly and shrunk...


4 posted on 04/22/2012 3:59:12 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1188 of America's ObamaVacation from reality [Heroes aren't made Frank, they're cornered...])
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To: Windflier
Here is an earthquake plot that shows where the ocean crust goes:


5 posted on 04/22/2012 3:59:51 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Windflier

well I gotta say this guy draws one heck of a Batman though


6 posted on 04/22/2012 4:01:24 PM PDT by escapefromboston (manny ortez: mvp)
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To: dirtboy

The world is getting dumber. Its why men like Giorgio Tsoukalos can get rich by ignoring the obvious and feeding people stupid crap about ancient aliens building everything.


7 posted on 04/22/2012 4:02:30 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: dirtboy
Amazingly stupid stuff that completely discards the well-documented phenomenon of subduction zones.

The fact that you replied so quickly tells me that you didn't bother to watch the videos, or read through his site. I'm afraid the case he makes is indisputable.

You'll have to digest the whole thing to see why.

8 posted on 04/22/2012 4:04:51 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: dirtboy

If he plays this as a new age religion, he might get some followers. Other than that, he needs to take a basic geology course as you say. Funny stuff.


9 posted on 04/22/2012 4:05:18 PM PDT by JimSEA
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To: cripplecreek
There are parts of the world that plate tectonics has a hard time explaining, such as the Rocky Mountains. But subduction zones are about as clear-cut as they come. You can plot earthquakes and graphically see the plates descending into the mantle, as I posted on 5.

And hot spots also show clear evidence of plate movement. Plates clearly move across the surface of the Earth. This theory is rank idiocy that ignores solid evidence.

This is deliberate ignorance, which is the hardest kind to counter.

10 posted on 04/22/2012 4:07:05 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Windflier

So, does this bring us any closer to anti gravity boots? NO... what I want, and I want it now, is anti gravity boots... don’t care nuth’n-bout no dumb EARTH CRUSTIES! /sheesh


11 posted on 04/22/2012 4:07:28 PM PDT by dps.inspect (the system is rigged...)
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To: Windflier
Adams has once again completely ignored my equally plausible Plate Teutonic theory that the Germans are moving the continents around.
12 posted on 04/22/2012 4:07:36 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (You only have three billion heartbeats in a lifetime.How many does the government claim as its own?)
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To: Windflier
The fact that you replied so quickly tells me that you didn't bother to watch the videos, or read through his site. I'm afraid the case he makes is indisputable.

I didn't watch his videos because his overview was so utterly stupid. Life is too short to double down on stupidity.

Seriously, do yourself a favor, spend ten minutes reading a Wiki on subduction zones. This is one of the clearest aspects of plate tectonics and anyone who pretends otherwise is seeking a path of deliberate ignorance.

13 posted on 04/22/2012 4:09:47 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Windflier
You'll have to digest the whole thing to see why.

I've seen this expanding earth garbage before and I and anyone else with the slightest comprehension of geology doesn't need to waste their time watching this idiot's videos.

That subduction zones aren't even mentioned in the original screed (which we can easily see through seismic records, and we can actually measure plate movement with GPS) immediately renders his argument a waste of time.

I cannot fathom why some people actively go out of their way to avoid actual scientific knowledge on a quest to believe kooks.

14 posted on 04/22/2012 4:09:53 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: Windflier

Pangean reunification!


15 posted on 04/22/2012 4:10:45 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (This world is a comedy to those that think, a tragedy to those that feel - Horace Walpole)
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To: KarlInOhio
Adams has once again completely ignored my equally plausible Plate Teutonic theory that the Germans are moving the continents around.

"The g****** Germans got nothing to do with it!"

16 posted on 04/22/2012 4:11:37 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: KarlInOhio

He Delft-ly ignored it...


17 posted on 04/22/2012 4:12:44 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1188 of America's ObamaVacation from reality [Heroes aren't made Frank, they're cornered...])
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To: dirtboy

BTW, “How the earth was made” on the history channel tonight. Its a rerun but its a good one about the great lakes.


18 posted on 04/22/2012 4:13:03 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Windflier


and just for good measure...



nuff said...
19 posted on 04/22/2012 4:13:03 PM PDT by battousai (Conservatives are racist? YES, I hate stupid white liberals.)
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To: Windflier; Impy; Clintonfatigued; Perdogg; GOPsterinMA

"Leon's getting larger !"

20 posted on 04/22/2012 4:15:31 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (If you like lying Socialist dirtbags, you'll love Slick Willard)
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To: Oztrich Boy

GONDWANA RULES!!!!!


21 posted on 04/22/2012 4:16:07 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Strategerist
That subduction zones aren't even mentioned in the original screed (which we can easily see through seismic records, and we can actually measure plate movement with GPS) immediately renders his argument a waste of time.

Well, well. Another one who spent less than 60 seconds at the site. The author goes into great detail about the theory of subduction zones, but you'd have to cast off your pre-conceived notions and read a bit to discover it.

Say what you will, but what's at that site is irrefutable logic. I can't, and won't dismiss it.

22 posted on 04/22/2012 4:16:47 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier

23 posted on 04/22/2012 4:19:48 PM PDT by Amagi (I challenge Barack Obama to call this Tea Party Patriot a "tea bagger" to my face.)
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To: Windflier

continental drift it bunk?


24 posted on 04/22/2012 4:19:52 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: fieldmarshaldj
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25 posted on 04/22/2012 4:20:24 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Windflier

But how could all these rifts continually spread apart…without the Earth growing? Ah, that is the question, isn’t it?

I stopped reading there.

During the recent quake in Japan, in some places there was as much as 150 feet of the Pacific plate that was shoved - and shoved hard - under the Asiatic plate.


26 posted on 04/22/2012 4:20:30 PM PDT by djf (Life's a play, we're actors not authors, and nobody even cared to give us the script!)
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To: Windflier
It's the fault of Juan de Fuca.
27 posted on 04/22/2012 4:22:33 PM PDT by Amagi (I challenge Barack Obama to call this Tea Party Patriot a "tea bagger" to my face.)
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To: GeronL
continental drift it bunk?

From the author:

"Against this is the current Pangea theory which insists … that the continents float willy, nilly about the Earth, spinning, sliding, bumping, and crashing like bumper cars in a carnival. (That’s a common description … which some geologists are currently backing away from… in small numbers.)"

http://www.nealadams.com/nmu.html

28 posted on 04/22/2012 4:25:54 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier
Consider: I say this: Earth was progressively smaller as we go back in time over 4 – 5 billion years it grew from a small planetesimal to a planet the size of Mars.

and: An aside….you may fairly ask how this matter can be created. It’s created at the plasma core of all planets, moons, and suns by a process that is so common that science has a name for it, “pair production!” It’s how all matter is made from energy.

The mass of Earth is 5.9742 × 1021 metric tons. The mass of Mars is 6.4191 × 1020 metric tons. If the earth has grown by 5.33 x 1021 metric tons created by pair production that means there are 2.67 sextillion tons of antimatter which is somehow kept separate from 3.31 sextillion metric tons of matter. No wonder Obama hates drilling and fracking gas and oil wells. He is just trying to keep the matter and antimatter separate.

29 posted on 04/22/2012 4:26:20 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (You only have three billion heartbeats in a lifetime.How many does the government claim as its own?)
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During the recent quake in Japan, in some places there was as much as 150 feet of the Pacific plate that was shoved - and shoved hard - under the Asiatic plate.

I can see how that could happen, given the force of the earthquake, though I don't see that it's incompatible with the author's base theory.

30 posted on 04/22/2012 4:28:11 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier

Only a mental midget would buy this. And no, I didn’t waste my time with the videos either.


31 posted on 04/22/2012 4:28:18 PM PDT by CalvaryJohn (What is keeping that damned asteroid?)
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To: Windflier
We … I … argue that, that this outer crust originally covered the whole of a smaller Earth and the Earth sphere grew. The outer crust, therefore, had to crack and spread to accommodate a growing Earth…which…it apparently did.

So I guess the earth must be puffing up like a ballon then.

They'd better be careful when they drill new oil wells. They might pop the bubble and the earth would collapse back down to a sphere the size of the Moon.

32 posted on 04/22/2012 4:28:43 PM PDT by Wissa (Gone Galt)
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To: KarlInOhio

I see you’re at least processing the guy’s theory with some degree of analysis, Karl. Appreciate you trying to keep it light-hearted.


33 posted on 04/22/2012 4:31:42 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: KarlInOhio
It’s created at the plasma core of all planets, moons, and suns by a process that is so common that science has a name for it, “pair production!” It’s how all matter is made from energy.

Well it makes as much sense as the FReeper who tried to tell me that the sun is fueled by all the comets and dust it collects like a vacuum cleaner.
34 posted on 04/22/2012 4:31:56 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: CalvaryJohn
Only a mental midget would buy this. And no, I didn’t waste my time with the videos either.

In other words, "Don't confuse me with facts, my mind's already made up!"

35 posted on 04/22/2012 4:33:30 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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Obama just doesn't want us discovering his true birthplace.

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37 posted on 04/22/2012 4:34:46 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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38 posted on 04/22/2012 4:38:29 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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I had a feeling when I posted this, that I’d be opening myself up to a lot of wisecracks, and that’s ok. I’ve got the hide for it ;-)

I just want to know, though...has anyone taken the time to watch the videos at the site? You can go through all fifteen of them in about half an hour, and trust me, they are compelling.

Anyone?


39 posted on 04/22/2012 4:41:36 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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I understand, Chode. I had the same question, but I also understand that in a system as large as an entire planetary crust, there are going to be forces of all types exerted in various locales.

I don’t think it debunks the guy’s entire theory.

Good observation, though.


40 posted on 04/22/2012 4:46:01 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier
No doubt you will be excoriated soundly for thinking out of the box...

But I found this guy long ago and he raises some pretty good questions (whether he is right or not). It seems self evident that the granitic continental pieces fit together perfectly as he suggests... And if that is not enough, or is discounted, the next question to ask is, "Then where is the rest of the granitic layer?"

No doubt his graphic representation works perfectly... And on it's face is more acceptable than the Pangea demonstrations I have seen. I don't know that he is correct however - and I largely disagree with his reason the earth is growing.

Thanks - food for thought.

41 posted on 04/22/2012 4:48:08 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: Windflier
I just want to know, though...has anyone taken the time to watch the videos at the site? You can go through all fifteen of them in about half an hour, and trust me, they are compelling.

Sorry, but your guy is creating a solution for a problem that does not exist. Plate techtonics does a fine job explaining how oceanic crust is both created and destroyed without expanding the overall average size of the Earth.

I don't waste time on such charlatans. And I recognize the breathless writing style typical of Internet snake oil salesmen.

42 posted on 04/22/2012 4:50:02 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: fieldmarshaldj; Windflier; Impy; Clintonfatigued; Perdogg

“I speak jive.”

Airplane! Great stuff!


43 posted on 04/22/2012 4:53:53 PM PDT by GOPsterinMA (Really?)
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To: dirtboy

I can prove that internal combustion engines actually run on nuclear fusion if you would just open your mind and ignore all that sciencey stuff.


44 posted on 04/22/2012 4:57:53 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Windflier
"I just want to know, though...has anyone taken the time to watch the videos at the site? You can go through all fifteen of them in about half an hour, and trust me, they are compelling."

They are a collection of supposed supporting evidence, are they not? They show all the reasons why this guy is right.

The problem is you can present compelling evidence for almost anything, if you just pick out things that support you. It's called Confirmation Bias, and it's not science. What you have to look at is where it might be proven wrong, not where it's claims are supposedly upheld. A good theory is one that's not falsified.

45 posted on 04/22/2012 4:58:24 PM PDT by mlo
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To: Windflier

How does a planet grow that much? Where is the mass coming from? Where is all the extra water coming from to fill in the gaps between the land masses?

Also, there are problems with his videos. In some places he is showing stretching without stretchmarks. And...when you put a skin of a small sphere on a larger sphere, there are going to be places where the skin puckers or bunches up. He doesnt show any bunching occurring in his animations. That is not very scientific.


46 posted on 04/22/2012 4:59:23 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: Windflier
If the 'science' is 'indisputable', it's not science at all, but religion or scam or both.
47 posted on 04/22/2012 5:07:37 PM PDT by tomkat
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To: cripplecreek
The world is getting dumber. Its why men like Giorgio Tsoukalos can get rich by ignoring the obvious and feeding people stupid crap about ancient aliens building everything.


48 posted on 04/22/2012 5:07:57 PM PDT by Talisker (He who commands, must obey.)
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I saw an ad for the next episode of Ancient aliens.

Georgio says “The ancient Mayan calendar looks remarkably like the large HADRON collider. (They’re both round) Coincidence? I think not.” LOL


49 posted on 04/22/2012 5:13:33 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Windflier
Great article.

The whole time I was reading it I was asking myself why nobody ever thought of this before?

This is literally an earth-shattering insight.

50 posted on 04/22/2012 5:19:58 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Do I really need a sarcasm tag? You're really that dense? Really?)
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