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Did various incarnations of the starship Enterprise make space travel look too easy?
The Space Review ^ | 04/23/12 | Andre Bormanis

Posted on 04/23/2012 5:42:46 PM PDT by KevinDavis

In an interview with a reporter from the Associated Press, Scott Pace, the current director of the Space Policy Institute at The George Washington University and a former NASA associate administrator, was asked to comment on the April 12th failure of the North Korean rocket launch. He noted that sending a vehicle into space is still a significant technical challenge, and added, “In many ways, the worst enemy of NASA is Star Trek… Captain Picard says ‘engage’ and the ship moves. And people think ‘How hard can this be?’” Filmmaker James Cameron supposedly made a similar comment about Star Trek’s depiction of space travel several years ago. This, so the argument goes, leads to unrealistic expectations in the public mind about where we should be these days on the Final Frontier. Reality has fallen far short of the galaxy-hopping future envisioned by Star Trek, and NASA takes the blame.

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TOPICS: Astronomy; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: beammeupscotty; scifi; space
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1 posted on 04/23/2012 5:42:55 PM PDT by KevinDavis
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To: Jack Hydrazine; ELS; ToxicMich; Cronos; A_perfect_lady; Art in Idaho; perplyone; TheOldLady; ...

2 posted on 04/23/2012 5:43:45 PM PDT by KevinDavis (Go Mitt Go!!!)
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To: KevinDavis

It isn’t that the Enterprise moved... its that space moved. Haven’t they seen the latest Star Trek movie? sheesh


3 posted on 04/23/2012 5:44:42 PM PDT by Guyin4Os (A messianic ger-tsedek)
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To: KevinDavis

Thus the term, “science FICTION”.


4 posted on 04/23/2012 5:46:04 PM PDT by dainbramaged (OMG - Obama Must Go)
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To: KevinDavis

Set hundreds of years in the future, the Enterprise had both impulse power and warp drive.

Comparing future, inter-stellar propulsion technologies with current North Korean rocket technology is... illogical.


5 posted on 04/23/2012 5:48:10 PM PDT by Justa
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To: KevinDavis

6 posted on 04/23/2012 5:48:10 PM PDT by iowamark
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To: KevinDavis

“Captain Picard says ‘engage’ and the ship moves.”

Star Trek - TNG “Engage”
Some things can never be repeated enough.
Make it so!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jd1Ih8EUmw


7 posted on 04/23/2012 5:51:22 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: KevinDavis

Well,....yeah. If you’re dumb enough to belive that this is science fact.

Oh. Wait......


8 posted on 04/23/2012 5:52:02 PM PDT by 98ZJ USMC
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To: 98ZJ USMC

This is, after all, the same public mind that believes in Anthropogenic Global Warming.....

yeaaahhhh....


9 posted on 04/23/2012 5:53:58 PM PDT by 98ZJ USMC
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To: KevinDavis
Nonsense!

Everyone knows from Galaxy Quest that it is quite easy!

"Never give up. Never surrender!"

10 posted on 04/23/2012 5:54:12 PM PDT by Prov1322 (Enjoy my wife's incredible artwork at www.watercolorARTwork.com! (This space no longer for rent))
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To: KevinDavis
That's why the ship was built and docked in space. Bigger really is better in space but you can't get them up there so you need to build them there.

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11 posted on 04/23/2012 5:59:31 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: KevinDavis

"Traveling Thru Hyperspace Ain't Like Dustin Crops Boy."

12 posted on 04/23/2012 6:01:48 PM PDT by xp38
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To: KevinDavis

From the Starship Dimensions website.

13 posted on 04/23/2012 6:02:11 PM PDT by Gideon7
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To: KevinDavis
I'm not suprised. There are freepers here who think CSI is a documentary.

/johnny

14 posted on 04/23/2012 6:02:26 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Prov1322
Nonsense! Everyone knows from Galaxy Quest that it is quite easy!

One of my favorite movies, and one of the few with Sigourney Weaver that I actually thought she looked hot.

15 posted on 04/23/2012 6:02:53 PM PDT by calex59
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To: KevinDavis
Reality has fallen far short of the galaxy-hopping future envisioned by Star Trek, and NASA takes the blame

Imagine where we would be if we didn't have government bureaucrats.

16 posted on 04/23/2012 6:11:14 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: mnehring

Space travel is especially tough when you cancel your manned space program.


17 posted on 04/23/2012 6:23:18 PM PDT by xp38
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To: KevinDavis
I don't get hung up on Star Trek. I would be happy with 2001 a Space Odyssey. Who cares what space ships can do 300 years in the future. We were supposed to be able to hop a scheduled run up to the moon 11 years ago.


18 posted on 04/23/2012 6:26:46 PM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: KevinDavis

Did various incarnations of James Bond make getting laid look too easy ???

Geesh...what a stupid premise ...


19 posted on 04/23/2012 6:32:59 PM PDT by Popman (America is squandering its wealth on riotous living, war, and welfare.)
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To: cripplecreek
We can get them up there, but have to give up our rather irrational fear of nuclear propulsion.

But, yes, it's too bad people have gotten the idea we live in a Star Trek universe. In all likelihood, nothing could be further from the truth.

20 posted on 04/23/2012 6:51:53 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: LibWhacker

Even a ship with some kind of nuclear drive is going to be lifted to orbit by conventional rockets.


21 posted on 04/23/2012 6:55:45 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: cripplecreek
That's not how Orion was originally conceived: Takeoff was to be nuclear from the get go. But nukes were getting such a bad rap, it would never fly, literally.

That's too bad because it turns out it is not such a great risk. We could be launching ships as large as the Empire State Building from the surface with crews of thousands on board. But libs once again have done everything in their power to block the advancement of the human race.

22 posted on 04/23/2012 7:04:46 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: cripplecreek

Artist's rendering of an Orion launch.
23 posted on 04/23/2012 7:12:40 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: KevinDavis

Screw NASA. Just find the Star Gate and the technology will come to us.


24 posted on 04/23/2012 7:16:53 PM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: KevinDavis

NASA and Star Trek killed space travel, but not in the way people think. Star Trek got nerd’s expectations way up, and when NASA proved there were no hot green skinned women to be had on the moon or mars, people kind of lost interest in space travel.


25 posted on 04/23/2012 7:21:17 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: Popman
Did various incarnations of James Bond make getting laid look too easy ???

If I looked like Sean Connery his prime (and his toupee), or even Daniel Craig, it would be easy. And if I had a spacecraft with warp drive, artificial gravity, machines that produce delicious foods from random atoms and serve them up on command, and a crew half of whom are gorgeous women in miniskirts space travel would be pretty damn nice. It's called fantasy.

26 posted on 04/23/2012 7:30:17 PM PDT by katana (Just my opinions)
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To: KevinDavis

McCoy,

It’s a TV show, Jim

(as appossed to the classic, He’s dead, Jim)


27 posted on 04/23/2012 7:31:23 PM PDT by Steven Tyler
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To: KevinDavis
I've read NASA projects a cost of 50 Billion to put Men on Mars and return them safely home AFTER they have lived there several months so Mars is in a position for the ship to return to Earth.

However we spent three times that amount bailing out GM so they could build the Chevy Volt.

Star Trek didn't kill space travel, Politicians did.

28 posted on 04/23/2012 7:40:27 PM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: Steven Tyler
It’s a TV show, Jim

"If you're wondering how he eats and breathes / And other science facts / Then repeat to yourself 'It's just a show, / I should really just relax.'"

29 posted on 04/23/2012 7:40:54 PM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: KevinDavis

Easy? Ask Chief Engineer(and miracle worker) Montgomery Scott if it was easy?

That flying bucket of bolts was seconds away from blowing up or burning down each and every time he would leave engineering to take a dump. And there wasn’t a single power conduit that hadn’t been rewired, cross circuited or blown out three times per episode.

Easy? Not by a long shot.


30 posted on 04/23/2012 7:43:07 PM PDT by Dr.Zoidberg (With (R)epublicans like these, who needs (D)emocrats?)
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To: Vince Ferrer

31 posted on 04/23/2012 7:59:50 PM PDT by Morgana (I only come here to see what happens next. It normally does.)
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To: KevinDavis

I think Star Wars wins first prize for unreal-ism in space travel, ect. The ships flew through space similar to air planes. All of them seemed to have their own gravity along with spectacular flaming explosions in the Oxygen free vacuum of outer space. I won’t even mention traveling at light speed. (I wonder what they were supposed to be fueling those things with anyway) lol

Still great fun to watch though.


32 posted on 04/23/2012 8:08:06 PM PDT by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: KevinDavis

I believe there are thousands of civilizations similar to ours in the billions of galaxies out there with the billions of stars in each one. However, we will never know them and they will never know us because it is impossible to break the light barrier.


33 posted on 04/23/2012 8:11:38 PM PDT by SamAdams76 (I am 23 days away from outliving Phil Hartman)
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To: GonzoGOP
"If you're wondering how he eats and breathes / And other science facts / Then repeat to yourself 'It's just a show, / I should really just relax.'"

The RiffTrax guys (Mike and the Bots) did a great riff on Star Trek 5. They have done a bunch of Star Trek films, actually. If you are an MST3k fan, you should check them out.

34 posted on 04/23/2012 8:27:22 PM PDT by America_Right (Why can't anyone tell me why Ron Paul is crazy?)
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To: SamAdams76

It may be... or may not be. We just need the next visionary combined with raw intellect, like Einstein.

I am convinced the light speed barrier can be broken, and when we do it, it’s going to look so simple in retrospect.

A man can dream anyway. I hope to one day not just visit another star, but maybe another galaxy. However, according to statistics, I only have about 37 years to go to see that happen, and that kind of advancement probably won’t take place by then.

Really my only hope is that we build a artificial intelligence that can tackle the problem in just a few small years.


35 posted on 04/23/2012 8:36:30 PM PDT by Aqua225 (Realist)
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To: KevinDavis

yeah and 200-300 years ago...the though of getting into a horseless wagon with heat and music and being able to drive 60 miles in 1 hour was too easy too....

....for THEN


36 posted on 04/24/2012 3:38:24 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Guyin4Os

37 posted on 04/24/2012 3:59:48 AM PDT by JRios1968 (I'm guttery and trashy, with a hint of lemon. - Laz)
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To: KevinDavis
Some of the Star Trek tech is indeed in use today.


38 posted on 04/24/2012 5:38:20 AM PDT by humblegunner
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To: GonzoGOP
We were supposed to be able to hop a scheduled run up to the moon 11 years ago.

And we would be able to do that if the politicians had anything approaching a vision toward the future.

39 posted on 04/24/2012 5:48:04 AM PDT by 6ppc (It's torch and pitchfork time)
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And we would be able to do that if the politicians had anything approaching a vision toward the future.

Instead, we had the "Great Society" chew up trillions while our manned space program languished.

40 posted on 04/24/2012 5:59:42 AM PDT by kosciusko51 (Enough of "Who is John Galt?" Who is Patrick Henry?)
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To: KevinDavis

Yes. But the programs are set far enough in the future that it should be okay.


41 posted on 04/24/2012 6:01:54 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Justa
Star Trek made space travel look too easy?

Easy? compared to how it was in 1997


42 posted on 04/24/2012 9:53:26 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (This world is a comedy to those that think, a tragedy to those that feel - Horace Walpole)
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To: KevinDavis

What idiot’s idea was it in the newer Star Trek movie to build the thing on the surface?


43 posted on 04/24/2012 11:11:53 AM PDT by wastedyears (There can be only one.)
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To: SamAdams76

It’s impossible to break the light barrier now, with the current technology we have. I absolutely believe humans will travel faster than light in the future; how far into the future it will be, I don’t know. But how boring would it be to only achieve say, 30% of the speed of light the way we’re going?

“It can’t be done. It can never be done.”

Seems pretty depressing considering how far we’ve come in a hundred years.


44 posted on 04/24/2012 11:29:31 AM PDT by wastedyears (There can be only one.)
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To: KevinDavis
Reality has fallen far short of the galaxy-hopping future envisioned by Star Trek, and NASA takes the blame.

Reality has fallen far short of the galaxy-hopping future envisioned by Star Trek, and Politics takes the blame.

Had politics not been present, the Air Force's shuttle design would have prevailed and none of the politially correct shuttle accidents would have happened; had politics not been present, the shuttles would not have used eco-friendly foam and not been destroyed; had politics not been present, nuclear powered engines would be common; had politics not been present, Orion might have flown in 1965 to Mars and to Venus in 1974 ... and so on.

As long as Earth politics are present, Picard will never say engage, nor will Enterprise fly.

45 posted on 04/24/2012 5:45:59 PM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: Gideon7

Of course, StarTrek ships are tiny compared to Culture ships which are measured in kilometers - the largest StarTrek ship could be displaced into just one bay of a General Service Vehicle ... StarTrek ships are also much slower using ancient warp tech. Then again, StarTrek ships use obsolete computers to run them, while Culture ships use a self-aware Mind(s).


46 posted on 04/24/2012 5:56:50 PM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: Vince Ferrer

People lost interest when Apollo was canceled and replaced with the shuttle which was designed to go nowhere.


47 posted on 04/24/2012 6:00:33 PM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: SamAdams76
it is impossible to break the light barrier.

Only if you think like Einstein, James Clerk Maxwell had other ideas but Heavyside threw them out since they were field equations which he said were impossible ... the four Heavyside kept and converted to vector equations gave us the electromagnetic spectrum and, incidentally, Einstein ...

Maxwell's equations posited instantaneous travel from anyplace to anywhere, energy without end, communications without radio ... which is likely why SETI is a vain search - the “aliens” do not use it.

48 posted on 04/24/2012 6:08:21 PM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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