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America's poorest county: Proud Appalachians ... in region where 40% fall below poverty line
DailyMail ^ | 23 April 2012 | Daily Mail Reporter

Posted on 04/24/2012 6:36:46 AM PDT by Daffynition

It was a county formed 19 years before the Civil War.

But in the towns lying between borders in Owsley, in the coal fields of eastern Kentucky, a portrait of Americans shows a community that appears frozen in time, where many still live without water or electricity.

According to the 2010 U.S. Census, the Appalachian county has the lowest median household income in the states - a staggering 41.5 per cent of residents falling below the poverty line.

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Abbreviated title: America's poorest county: Proud Appalachians who live without running water or power in region where 40% fall below poverty line

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Rich in the things that matter.

1 posted on 04/24/2012 6:36:51 AM PDT by Daffynition
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To: Daffynition

Right on, Daffy.


2 posted on 04/24/2012 6:38:29 AM PDT by Silentgypsy
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To: Daffynition
I can drive within an hour's time anywhere in New England and find families in similar situations. Pride, God, family and helping each other. Who is to say that the *American Dream* is so great?


3 posted on 04/24/2012 6:41:23 AM PDT by Daffynition (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: Daffynition

How’s that Great Society working? Not Tooooo Good!!!


4 posted on 04/24/2012 6:43:16 AM PDT by personalaccts (Is George W going to protect the border?)
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To: Daffynition
--Rich in the things that matter.--

I moved from my 45 year home of Seattle to a small farm in central KY last August. I am living the phrase "I gave up a high standard of living for a high quality of life." I LOVE it here. And you can live below the poverty line and still live very well indeed.

And then there is this:


5 posted on 04/24/2012 6:44:26 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Daffynition
America's poorest county

Then according to leftist/Marxist ideology crime should be rampant.

6 posted on 04/24/2012 6:45:22 AM PDT by Altura Ct.
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To: Daffynition

I joke with my friends in Seattle about my move to central KY thusly: “It is just like Washington. You have some very beautiful homes and wonderful people and you have single wides with cars on blocks in the yard. Oh, and if you hear banjo music, you DO want to paddle faster.”


7 posted on 04/24/2012 6:46:30 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Silentgypsy
I love photos that show American's grit.


8 posted on 04/24/2012 6:47:03 AM PDT by Daffynition (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: Daffynition

I didn’t like the article. While I don’t have a romantic view of Appalachia, the article goes out of its way to make the people look dirty and lazy — the captions under the first two pictures are “filthy” and “slovenly.” Then, of course, the comments portray a degree of prejudice that is disgusting. If they were comments about a black ghetto, they would be removed or reported as abusive but hey, we’re talking poor whites so its OK to say things like “why are these people allowed to breed” or “I bet you won’t get a full set of teeth among them.”


9 posted on 04/24/2012 6:47:26 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: Daffynition
Lots of pretty pics.

I didn't notice anywhere in the story where it mentions what the poverty line is?

Nor did I notice where it mentioned how many of these people are government dependents or how long they've been government dependents.

10 posted on 04/24/2012 6:51:55 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: Daffynition

HOLY COW! I just went to the article. The first and third images are VERY much what the interior of my nearest neighbor’s single wide looks like, only my neighbors is MORE messy.

He keeps his lawn meticulous, though.

The guy that built the house we bought (It’s about four years old now), placed it on the property so he could not see the trailer. We’re on a plateau and the single wide is in the valley about 80 feet below, about 400 yards away. His kids are really nice. We do bike rides together.


11 posted on 04/24/2012 6:52:09 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Opinionated Blowhard

bttt


12 posted on 04/24/2012 6:53:34 AM PDT by Matchett-PI ("Andrew loved the battle and he knew the stakes." ~ Mark Levin 3/2/12)
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To: cuban leaf

There are communities like this in every state.


13 posted on 04/24/2012 6:57:50 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Daffynition

This country grows half of all pot and 90% of all Moonshine made in the USA. It pays no taxes on that income. Recently, charity clinics have closed their doors, because of how well the people of the region were doing financially.


14 posted on 04/24/2012 6:57:58 AM PDT by STD ([You must help] people in the communityÂ…feel so frustrated, so defeated, so lost, so futureless)
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To: Daffynition

IMO, even if you don’t have much money or an education, you still don’t have to live like a filthy slob.

There were times in my youth when my family was struggling & my dad out of work. But the house & yard was always spotless.

I have been to Appalachia several times. It amazes me that people would live like this.

It’s almost like there is some generational malaise that govern the lives of people who live there. People there seem not to give a damn about much of anything.


15 posted on 04/24/2012 7:02:28 AM PDT by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

—There are communities like this in every state.—

You’re preachin’ to the choir on this one. But to use an analogy, every state has at least one city, but NYC is bigger than Sioux Falls.

I’ve seen this stuff in Washington state, but there is a LOT more of it here in KY, relative to the size of the population. Heck, one of my new best friends here is 15 years younger than me and when he was a kid they used an outhouse.

When I was a kid we lived in Washington, California, Texas, Oklahoma, and Wyoming. I thought back then that outhouses were something from the 19th century.


16 posted on 04/24/2012 7:03:26 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: cuban leaf
I traveled KY quite a bit when I was in the coal business. Kentucky really is two or three states rolled into one. Tennessee is similar.
17 posted on 04/24/2012 7:13:10 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

—Kentucky really is two or three states rolled into one.—

I think that is true of a lot of states. Washington is even more stark in that there is even a significant climate difference. California, likewise.


18 posted on 04/24/2012 7:19:17 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: cuban leaf

I’m gonna guess the film poster alludes to the fact that in rural Appalachia, there are places you DO NOT GO, & people you DO NOT MESS WITH, if you know what I mean.

I saw a sign in rural KY that said, “Be shot or be gone”. Never saw a Welcome sign.


19 posted on 04/24/2012 7:21:16 AM PDT by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: Daffynition

Heck, those of us who live in cities, can drive to the ghetto and find similar situations also.

What exactly is the point of this article? The south side of Chicago is not its own county, so it can’t be cited as the “poorest” county in America based on the criteria used here. I have a feeling that the south side has more crime, in addition to the poverty cited in this article. But it wouldn’t be politically correct to do an article about life in the ghetto.


20 posted on 04/24/2012 7:22:17 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Daffynition

As it happens, I am right this minute reading “The Grapes of Wrath” and while some of it might be hyperbole, I don’t believe that any of the “Okies” (and I don’t mean that perjoratively)would romanticize the Dust Bowl or their migration to California where they were met with hostility, lack of jobs, and violence. Those people would trade their lives for ours in a heartbeat.

If nothing else, reading the book makes me profoundly grateful for what I have.


21 posted on 04/24/2012 7:24:34 AM PDT by Student0165 ("If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun." Barack Hussein Obama)
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To: Daffynition

So, what’s the difference between this, and any of a dozen Democrat-Run, inner-city hell holes I can name?

OH YEAH, no random drive-by’s. The welfare culture is damning to both blacks AND whites, folks.


22 posted on 04/24/2012 7:27:33 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Election 2012: THE RAPTURE OF THE DEMOCRATS)
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To: Mister Da

The movie is highly recommended by Fred Reed (fredoneverything.net) because it is in Boone county, where he grew up. He said it is very, VERY real and accurately portrays what goes on there. I have yet to see it but I’m trying to find a copy.


23 posted on 04/24/2012 7:29:18 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Daffynition
One would hope they would notice that no one pictured is starving, they are all active and for the most part seem happy, no drive by shootings, gang paraphernalia, or mug shots with the subject giving obscure hand gestures. Better place to live and grow up in than any American urban center I can think of. And it is the Pot growing (mostly in D. Boone National Forest) and Moonshine capital of Kentucky. In the former case it has been that way since my dad grew up on the family farm near Traveler's Rest, Owsley County Kentucky in the 19 teens, 20's, and 30's. The local accent is pure mountain honey and so's the 'shine.
24 posted on 04/24/2012 7:30:29 AM PDT by katana (Just my opinions)
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To: Daffynition

Second in an article by a UK paper. I’d like to see a US paper do a couple of articles on poverty and trashed cities in the UK.


25 posted on 04/24/2012 7:31:57 AM PDT by SkyDancer ("Talent Without Ambition Is Sad - Ambition Without Talent Is Worse")
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To: Mister Da
even if you don’t have much money or an education, you still don’t have to live like a filthy slob.

Bingo. Perusing the pics, the only poverty I see there is in cleanliness - something not cured by money. Sure they don't have much cash (that's apparent), but they have no less in essentials than I grew up with. Wood stove? yup, that was our heat source (and backup for cooking) in cold NY winters. Pots & pans? obviously far more than they need, enough to make a buck off selling or re-purposing most. Shelter? yup, and some labor & free supplies (see pic of donated lumber) will keep it functional & pleasant. Clothes? keep 'em maintained & tucked in. Care for what you have, riches will follow.

Almost funny how, in comparison, tinyhouseblog.com and minimalissimo.com depict struggles to get down to that same level of simple living.

"Generational malaise". Perfect term. It's not lack of money or opportunity, it's the systemic "don't care" of a region.

26 posted on 04/24/2012 7:35:20 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com/)
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To: Opinionated Blowhard
Consider the source...article from the UK...so the perspective will be different, I assume. They have their Liverpool, Middlesbrough, Manchester, Knowsley, etc. with high crime and extreme poverty and generally more socialist than here. While 4 more years of Hussein and that's what more of America will look like.

I've had opportunity to see a lot of the world, and been to places where there is a common well for a village, no electricity, families living in mud-brick huts with dirt floors, children running barefoot [giggling] chasing metal hoops with sticks. I would not dare to judge who is happier....them or me.


27 posted on 04/24/2012 7:39:22 AM PDT by Daffynition (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: cuban leaf
Seems that's a sequel to The Dancing Outlaw, which is highly recommended (if you can find it).
28 posted on 04/24/2012 7:41:52 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com/)
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To: Mister Da

**“Be shot or be gone”. Never saw a Welcome sign.**

A dear friend has this sign on all his doors:

**There is nothing on these premises that is worth dying for.**


29 posted on 04/24/2012 7:44:21 AM PDT by Daffynition (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: katana

**no one pictured is starving**

Nor did I see anyone morbidly obese, like I do here, in the checkout lane with their Cheetos and chips, soda and food stamps.

Makes me stop to think when the SHTF, what life will be like, in our tony little town, with these people who can not fend for themselves. Least these families in the hollow that are depicted can fend for themselves....here, affluence of any kind will be stolen by the have-nots.


30 posted on 04/24/2012 7:52:55 AM PDT by Daffynition (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: Daffynition
This is appropriate for this thread:

Summer Rooftop Rukus

originally an invite to a 2005 Corporate Party.

31 posted on 04/24/2012 7:55:47 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: ctdonath2

**Almost funny how, in comparison, tinyhouseblog.com and minimalissimo.com depict struggles to get down to that same level of simple living.**

So long as you are still within driving distance of a Whole Foods.


32 posted on 04/24/2012 7:57:55 AM PDT by Daffynition (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: Daffynition

Obviously waiting to be drafted into L B Johnson’s WAR ON POVERTY while still drawing a gov’t check.


33 posted on 04/24/2012 7:58:14 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: Daffynition

Proud Georgia hillbilly here.

Thanks for posting.


34 posted on 04/24/2012 7:58:33 AM PDT by Vigilantcitizen (Dave Mustaine for president.)
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To: central_va
That's SUPER!

Toast to you!


35 posted on 04/24/2012 8:00:47 AM PDT by Daffynition (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: Mister Da

I’m absolutely convinced that Poverty is all a state-of-mind.


36 posted on 04/24/2012 8:02:17 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: Daffynition

Corn liquor?


37 posted on 04/24/2012 8:02:30 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Daffynition

My gosh, I thought the War on Poverty (1968) and all the billions spent since then were suppose to solve this. /sarc.

FUBO and the DemocRAT party.


38 posted on 04/24/2012 8:10:09 AM PDT by wetgundog (" Extremism in the Defense of Liberty is no Vice")
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To: Daffynition

“Abbreviated title: America’s poorest county: Proud Appalachians who live without running water or power in region where 40% fall below poverty line
...Rich in the things that matter.”

Indeed.

What’s the crime rate here, vis-a-vis places like Detroit or Baltimore?
Why is that?

If this is truly “America’s poorest county”, shouldn’t the crime rate also be the highest, because (as we all know, right?) “poverty causes crime”?

In any case, a good video by Darrell Scott:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69BwNVtyCKs
You’ll never leave Harlan alive...


39 posted on 04/24/2012 8:14:21 AM PDT by Road Glide
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To: cuban leaf
*American Hollow* ...The Bollings

**"I've never been nowhere in my life where you can live any easier than right here in this part of the country." Neial Bowling**

Do you have running water? When I am *off-the-grid*, that's the hardest part.

The rainwater washtub...pretty much useless in the winter. Heh. :)


40 posted on 04/24/2012 8:15:56 AM PDT by Daffynition (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: Daffynition

The poverty line is just a number. If your cost of living is less than your income, you will be OK.


41 posted on 04/24/2012 8:41:18 AM PDT by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class!)
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To: cuban leaf

“And then there is this: “

Indeed. Truly awesome documentary. Which is what makes me wonder if the families depicted in the UK article are as drug-riddled and dependent upon government handouts as the “Wild and Wonderful Whites of West Virginia”. I can guarantee you that all those “proud and independent” “Appalachian” folks depicted are 100% supported by a gazillion government programs paid for by taxes on those who actually work. I’d give it a 90% probability that drug abuse is epidemic there as well.

There’s no such thing as pride and self-sufficiency among the poor anymore. The poor, no matter where they live or the color of their skin, are now all wards of the state. The UK article is nothing more than romantic bullshit.


42 posted on 04/24/2012 8:44:00 AM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: Mister Da
"Appalachia"

I remember watching some documentary or news story on the tv many years ago about poverty in Appalachia. They interviewed a number of people and many them complained that there were few to no jobs where they lived. Prompting the question: why don't they pull up stakes and get out then? Which is basically the history of the world. From the dawn of human civilization, when things got bad, people pulled up stakes and moved on to greener pastures. If the job prospects are poor where you live, and you don't want to relocate to where the jobs are, I have little sympathy for you.

43 posted on 04/24/2012 8:53:04 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: catnipman

Remember that guy I said lives below me in a single wide? He’s 15 years younger than me and looks 10 years older. He is also very excited that after failing in court many times, he finally got his disability approved. That’s right. The family is supported on his disability. He is also the brother of the local sheriff, who (fortunately) sees him for what he is)

On a side note, he mows the lawn at the base of my driveway for me. :-) People love to mow lawns around here. It is the local pastime. Beautiful, too.


44 posted on 04/24/2012 8:54:40 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Daffynition

Jed Clampett: What do you think Pearl? You think I oughta move?
Cousin Pearl Bodine: Jed, how can you even ask? Look around you. You live eight miles from your nearest neighbor. You’re overrun with skunks, possums, coyotes, and bobcats. You use kerosene lamps for light. You cook on a wood stove, summer and winter. You’re drinkin’ homemade moonshine, and washin’ with homemade lye soap. And your bathroom is fifty feet from the house. And you ask should you move!?
Jed Clampett: [ponders all this] Yeah, I reckon you’re right. Man’d be a dang fool to leave all this.


45 posted on 04/24/2012 9:06:44 AM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: Daffynition

I have visited eastern Kentucky for many years and while this piece may have been correct 30 years ago, it seems wrong now

There has been dramatic change in the hollows off the roads. The roads them selves are much much different.
there are good 4 lane roads into the heart of the country.

Hazard was squeezed between the ridges in a narrow valley. Today a good road by passes the town and there is major, prosperous expansion.

Up US 23, the little towns have expanded up the 4 lane, very good road to the point they almost come together.

I have been up several hollows for quite a long way and find good solidly built and well maintained homes. There are of course trailers but they are in far better condition than years ago.

I’ve traveled about 15 miles off the hiway up a steadily narrowing hollow and up a ridge to a shop that rebuilds and exports Cat front end loaders. He gets his customers off the internet.

I’m certain there are still poor folks, but the change in my life time is truly remarkable.


46 posted on 04/24/2012 9:10:51 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ..... Crucifixion is coming)
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To: Road Glide

Home viewing bookmark.


47 posted on 04/24/2012 9:17:24 AM PDT by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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To: wetgundog

I am from Appalachia and want to go back. Most of the people there have a broad independent streak bordered by a deep distrust of the government. Ronald Reagan spoke for us when he said the 9 most frightening words are “I’m from the government and I’m here to help”. We’ve been the recipients of their “help” in the past. ;)


48 posted on 04/24/2012 9:21:35 AM PDT by kalee (The offenses we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we engrave in marble. J Huett 1658)
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To: Daffynition

49 posted on 04/24/2012 9:33:01 AM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas gerit ;-{)
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To: bert
I respect your observations.We all know how stats can be manipulated.


50 posted on 04/24/2012 9:59:31 AM PDT by Daffynition (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.)
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