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53% of New Graduates are Jobless or Underemployed; Rude Awakening for Class of 2012
MISH's Global Economic Analysis ^ | 04/25/2012 | Mike Shedlock

Posted on 04/25/2012 9:41:33 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

The USA Today reports graduating class of 2012 is in for a rude awakening as Half of new graduates are jobless or underemployed.

A weak labor market already has left half of young college graduates either jobless or underemployed in positions that don't fully use their skills and knowledge.

Young adults with bachelor's degrees are increasingly scraping by in lower-wage jobs — waiter or waitress, bartender, retail clerk or receptionist, for example — and that's confounding their hopes a degree would pay off despite higher tuition and mounting student loans.

Median wages for those with bachelor's degrees are down from 2000, hit by technological changes that are eliminating midlevel jobs such as bank tellers. Most future job openings are projected to be in lower-skilled positions such as home health aides, who can provide personalized attention as the U.S. population ages.

Taking underemployment into consideration, the job prospects for bachelor's degree holders fell last year to the lowest level in more than a decade.

"I don't even know what I'm looking for," says Michael Bledsoe, who described months of fruitless job searches as he served customers at a Seattle coffeehouse. The 23-year-old graduated in 2010 with a creative writing degree.

About 1.5 million, or 53.6%, of bachelor's degree-holders under the age of 25 last year were jobless or underemployed, the highest share in at least 11 years. In 2000, the share was at a low of 41%, before the dot-com bust erased job gains for college graduates in the telecommunications and IT fields.

Out of the 1.5 million who languished in the job market, about half were underemployed, an increase from the previous year. Broken down by occupation, young college graduates were heavily represented in jobs that require a high school diploma or less.

In the last year, they were more likely to be employed as waiters, waitresses, bartenders and food-service helpers than as engineers, physicists, chemists and mathematicians combined (100,000 versus 90,000). There were more working in office-related jobs such as receptionist or payroll clerk than in all computer professional jobs (163,000 versus 100,000). More also were employed as cashiers, retail clerks and customer representatives than engineers (125,000 versus 80,000).

According to government projections released last month, only three of the 30 occupations with the largest projected number of job openings by 2020 will require a bachelor's degree or higher to fill the position — teachers, college professors and accountants. Most job openings are in professions such as retail sales, fast food and truck driving, jobs which aren't easily replaced by computers.

Useless Degrees

The USA Today talks about the "underemployed". Is that really what's going on?

Just what job does someone majoring in Political Science, English, History, Social Studies, Creative Writing, Art, etc., etc., etc., expect to get?

Arguably, graduates in those majors (and many more) should be thankful to get any job. Therefore, those who do land a job should therefore be considered fully employed, not underemployed.

In turn, this means a college education now has a negative payback for most degrees. 
Bledsoe, currently making just above minimum wage, says he has received financial help from his parents to help pay off student loans. He is now mulling whether to go to graduate school, seeing few other options to advance his career. "There is not much out there, it seems," he said.
There is nothing out there for many degrees which means that going to graduate school will do nothing but waste more money. Nurses are still in demand, but technology and engineering majors are crapshoots. If you can land a technology or engineering job it is likely to be high paying, but if not, the next step is retail sales.


Who Benefits From Student Aid?  

Students get no benefit from "student aid". Rather, teachers, administrators, and corrupt for-profit schools like the University of Phoenix do.


Obama wants to throw more money at education, and that is exactly the wrong thing to do. Instead, I propose stopping student aid programs and accrediting more online schools to lower the cost of education so that degrees do not have negative payback.
  
Sadly, there is a trillion dollar student loan bubble, and that debt overhang will negatively impact the economy for years to come. Let's not make the problem worse. It's time to kill the inappropriately named "student aid" program.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Education; Society
KEYWORDS: 2012; bhoeconomy; democrats; elections; jobless; jobs; nobama2012; obama; remembernovember; unemployment

1 posted on 04/25/2012 9:41:38 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

I believe the so called youth vote/millenials will not turn out in high numbers for obama. They really like being able to buy things and than only happens if they, or their parents, have jobs. You know..jobs...that three letter word according to Joe Biden.


2 posted on 04/25/2012 9:45:42 AM PDT by Josa
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To: SeekAndFind

I have no problem with this because a majority of the little dopes vote democrat, just like in 1980. Stupid ass, Che loving marxist retards can go on welfare. It’s BO’s pleasure.


3 posted on 04/25/2012 9:46:13 AM PDT by albie
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To: SeekAndFind

What we need to do is forgive their student loans and immediately offer them unemployment benefits because unemployment compensation creates jobs per Nancy Pelosi. / SAR


4 posted on 04/25/2012 9:46:14 AM PDT by TSgt (The only reason I have one in the chamber at all times, is because it is impossible to have two in.)
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To: albie

5 posted on 04/25/2012 9:48:18 AM PDT by TSgt (The only reason I have one in the chamber at all times, is because it is impossible to have two in.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Bledsoe, currently making just above minimum wage, says he has received financial help from his parents to help pay off student loans. He is now mulling whether to go to graduate school, seeing few other options to advance his career. "There is not much out there, it seems," he said.

Here's a thought, Mr. Bledsoe...rather than blow another $75,000 on a graduate degree, when you're "not even sure what you're looking for..." is throwing good money after bad. If you want to get out from under that undergrad debt, go to a community college and pick up a trade or license as a plumber or electrician. Then, you'll be able to use your creative writing degree to draft up proposals and bids for jobs.

6 posted on 04/25/2012 9:48:47 AM PDT by Lou L (The Senate without a filibuster is just a 100-member version of the House.)
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To: Josa

Younger voters shift from Obama
http://dailycaller.com/2012/04/25/younger-voters-shift-from-obama/
Once thought to be solidly behind President Barack Obama, younger voters burdened by a bleak employment picture, high gas prices and student loan debt are being aggressively wooed by the Democrat and his likely Republican challenger, Mitt Romney.

In 2008, Obama had a 34-point advantage over Republican Sen. John McCain among voters under age 30. He won about two-thirds of the vote in that age group.

But a new Harvard poll suggests the president may face a harder sales job with younger voters this time around. Obama led Romney by 12 points among those ages 18-24, according to the survey. Among those in the 25-29 age group, Obama held a 23-point advantage.

It’s an opening Republicans hope to exploit by focusing on young people’s disillusionment with the candidate who promised “hope” and “change.”

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/04/25/younger-voters-shift-from-obama/#ixzz1t4Vd3LmF


7 posted on 04/25/2012 9:49:58 AM PDT by TSgt (The only reason I have one in the chamber at all times, is because it is impossible to have two in.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Obama picks up his chances of another 4 years...
8 posted on 04/25/2012 9:51:48 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: SeekAndFind

I’m waiting for the first poster to say something along the lines of “The only decent major to have in college is engineering.”

C’mon I know you’re out there.


9 posted on 04/25/2012 9:53:00 AM PDT by OldPossum
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To: Lou L
"I don't even know what I'm looking for," says Michael Bledsoe, who described months of fruitless job searches as he served customers at a Seattle coffeehouse. The 23-year-old graduated in 2010 with a creative writing degree.

One can get a degree in creative writing? Wow, talk about money down the crapper. I'll have a non-fat latte please.
10 posted on 04/25/2012 9:53:00 AM PDT by TSgt (The only reason I have one in the chamber at all times, is because it is impossible to have two in.)
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To: Lou L

Excellent suggestion with zero chance of implementation.

Your plan would make sense to him if, instead of going to college, he had worked in any job for a couple of years.

College delays maturity.


11 posted on 04/25/2012 9:57:32 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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To: OldPossum
I’m waiting for the first poster to say something along the lines of “The only decent major to have in college is engineering.”

With off-shoring, H1-B Visas and sending our technical projects to China/India/Singapore where the labor is cheaper - the days of the "Engineer" are pretty much gone. I can't say I'd recommend an engineering degree to anyone.

If I had been smart, I'd have pursued a degree in Healthcare Administration. I'd have a much higher salary, job security and expanded opportunties. Plus, no Theoretical Physics, Differential Equations, Advanced Calculus, Number Theory, Thermo/Dynamics/Statics, Materials Science, Antenna theory - the classwork would have been exponentially easier.

12 posted on 04/25/2012 10:02:39 AM PDT by Hodar ( Who needs laws; when this FEELS so right?)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas; TSgt
College delays maturity.

I saw the same article earlier in the week, over on the Yahoo Finance section--complete with a picture. It seems that Mr. Bledsoe also has a nose ring--the kind that goes through the septum--and some gaudy "ear lobe" rings (rivets?)

His "creative writing" degree may not be the ONLY thing, keeping him from a minimum-wage job.

13 posted on 04/25/2012 10:05:55 AM PDT by Lou L (The Senate without a filibuster is just a 100-member version of the House.)
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To: TSgt

I don’t remember Shakespeare, the Bronte sisters, Dickens, etc earning Creative Writing degrees from Oxford.


14 posted on 04/25/2012 10:08:11 AM PDT by C19fan
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To: SeekAndFind

I guess Zero can’t expect much enthusiasm from Millenials this time given that so many are broke.


15 posted on 04/25/2012 10:10:20 AM PDT by Crucial
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To: Hodar
With off-shoring, H1-B Visas and sending our technical projects to China/India/Singapore where the labor is cheaper - the days of the "Engineer" are pretty much gone.

While it might not be exactly what they signed up for when they persued an engineering degree, there are still plenty of jobs out there for those with the degrees. There are jobs for project managers, quality managers, requirements' analysts, customer liasons, sales reps, etc. that are highly dependent on engineering backgrounds, and that are not nearly as outsourced as the actual engineer work.

Again, that might not be what they wanted to do, but they can continue to work in an engineering-related company or project.

16 posted on 04/25/2012 10:10:41 AM PDT by Lou L (The Senate without a filibuster is just a 100-member version of the House.)
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To: SeekAndFind

That first lesson in the reality of Democrat economics, and it’s cause/effect relationship can be very harsh, and karmic.

It’s a damned shame this generation is having to learn, the hard way, that Democrat Rhetoric and Reality never match, like we did under Carter.


17 posted on 04/25/2012 10:13:58 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Election 2012: THE RAPTURE OF THE DEMOCRATS)
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To: Lou L

I believe the earrings are called “gauges”.


18 posted on 04/25/2012 10:15:02 AM PDT by Crucial
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To: Crucial

Oh, but, man...Obama is so “coooooool!”

Tell it to Jimmy Fallon. Maybe he can “slow jam” this news to all our nation’s little commie Obama lovin’ yufs.


19 posted on 04/25/2012 10:19:01 AM PDT by LibsRJerks
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To: Crucial
I believe the earrings are called “gauges”.

Thanks for the information, I had no idea. I believe some hiring managers call them "job interview killers."

20 posted on 04/25/2012 10:21:14 AM PDT by Lou L (The Senate without a filibuster is just a 100-member version of the House.)
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To: SeekAndFind

If the purpose of an education is to make you employable, then you should go to a trade school.

If the purpose of an education is to be educated, then get your degree in Poli Sci, and then go to work where ever you can find work and work your way up. If you’re smart and you work hard, you’ll be running the place eventually.

A Poli Sci degree is probably a great degree to have if you’re planning to enlist in the military. And a few years of military experience under your belt, along with your degree in Whatever, is probably good preparation for lots of stuff.

The problem isn’t the degree in Creative Writing. The problem is the idea that it guarantees you a job, and ought to guarantee you a job. Get your degree in Creative Writing, go to work selling shoes, and write. Get your degree in Art, go to work at the supermarket, and paint in your studio in the garage. If you’re good, someone will buy your screenplay, or your sculpture, and if they don’t, still, you did what you loved.


21 posted on 04/25/2012 10:21:57 AM PDT by marron (qua)
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To: marron

Well said.


22 posted on 04/25/2012 10:25:38 AM PDT by Lou L (The Senate without a filibuster is just a 100-member version of the House.)
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To: Lou L

—— His “creative writing” degree may not be the ONLY thing, keeping him from a minimum-wage job.——

LOL, yeah. Reminds me of the scene in Life of Brian, where the crowd chants in unison, “yes, we are all individuals!”


23 posted on 04/25/2012 10:25:38 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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To: SeekAndFind

I’m amazed the other 47% have managed to find jobs.


24 posted on 04/25/2012 10:27:51 AM PDT by Churchillspirit (9/11/2001. NEVER FORGET.)
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To: TSgt

Those are fascinating stats. Those who can be assumed to BE in college 18 to 24 year olds) are 50% LESS supportive of Obama than those recently out of college (25 to 29 year olds). I would have thought the opposite to be more true, since life sucks for recent grads.


25 posted on 04/25/2012 10:44:24 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: TSgt

Interesting map. This is what happens when we let Democrats educate our kids. Its a wonder, after 12 or 16 years of miseducation, if any of them vote conservative at all.


26 posted on 04/25/2012 10:48:56 AM PDT by marron (qua)
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To: SeekAndFind
.................and corrupt for-profit schools like the University of Phoenix do.

What does the writer think....big time Universities don't make money??????? My gosh....Education is BIG-BUSINESS...and FOR PROFIT.

What a dumb ass statement..........

27 posted on 04/25/2012 10:55:46 AM PDT by Osage Orange (The MSM is the most dangerous entity in the United States of America.)
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To: marron
This is what happens when we let Democrats educate our kids. Its a wonder, after 12 or 16 years of miseducation, if any of them vote conservative at all.

Who was it that said:

If you're 18 and not liberal, you haven't got a heart; if you're 40 and not conservative, you haven't got a brain.

Part of capturing the youth vote is tapping into their idealism. Many of them want to "change the world," and probably many of them are completely onboard with "fundamentally changing the Unite States," without really knowing what it is they want to change.

I give them a partial pass--one, because they have not seen enough of the world to know how it works; two, our education system and popular culture does not show both sides--it shows conservatism as evil, cruel, and un-hip; and three, I was a little like that in my youth.

28 posted on 04/25/2012 10:59:59 AM PDT by Lou L (The Senate without a filibuster is just a 100-member version of the House.)
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To: SeekAndFind

They got what they voted for,no whining allowed.


29 posted on 04/25/2012 11:46:50 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: OldPossum

The only major worth having in our current economy is any major that requires a ton of math.

I’m talking Diff Eq, Statistics, Calculus, Linear Algebra, and their applications.

Otherwise you’re just filling your head with mush.


30 posted on 04/25/2012 1:18:21 PM PDT by Black_Shark
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To: TSgt

Generalize much? I’m 27 and as staunch and informed a conservative as you older folks.


31 posted on 04/25/2012 1:33:53 PM PDT by libdestroyer
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To: marron
Interesting map. This is what happens when we let Democrats educate our kids. Its a wonder, after 12 or 16 years of miseducation, if any of them vote conservative at all.

I'm laughing at folks pointing the finger at the Millennials like myself (I'm 27) when the worst generation in this country's history was the Baby Boomer generation. Why not focus the ire on the folks who RAISED US? The burned-out hippies who had it so good (because of their Builder parents) that they became spoiled brats.

In my opinion, it's a miracle the Millenium generation turned out as well as it did. Free access to information has helped...

But let's stop the agist bashing please.
32 posted on 04/25/2012 1:39:26 PM PDT by libdestroyer
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To: Black_Shark
The only major worth having in our current economy is any major that requires a ton of math.

Say, aren't you the young man who had a long thread the other day complaining about your inability to get a good job despite your substantial background in mathematics?

33 posted on 04/25/2012 2:18:07 PM PDT by OldPossum
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To: OldPossum

And I would have been better off with a degree with no math? Perhaps you can enlighten me to which major that isn’t math intensive is currently a booming commodity?

Exactly.


34 posted on 04/25/2012 2:43:53 PM PDT by Black_Shark
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To: OldPossum

And I would have been better off with a degree with no math? Perhaps you can enlighten me to which major that isn’t math intensive is currently a booming commodity?

Exactly.


35 posted on 04/25/2012 2:45:51 PM PDT by Black_Shark
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To: Black_Shark

Law Enforcement and Psychological Counseling have lots of openings.


36 posted on 04/25/2012 2:50:05 PM PDT by AnTiw1 (If the King is Corrupt, then let Your Revolution be Pure.)
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To: AnTiw1

One thing I’ve noticed about FR since I started lurking here in ‘06 is the near obsession with A) Trade jobs B) jobs that don’t require a college degree.

While I applaud those who enter these fields and succeed not everyone is cut for those jobs. I’m interested in jobs that require a high level of math.

If they are gone from the USA than so am I. I’ll follow the supply.


37 posted on 04/25/2012 2:58:21 PM PDT by Black_Shark ( Who)
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To: libdestroyer

Older? LOL! I’m 35!

The point of the factual graphic is that most young folks are very liberal.

There are the exceptions, like us! ;)


38 posted on 04/25/2012 3:03:09 PM PDT by TSgt (The only reason I have one in the chamber at all times, is because it is impossible to have two in.)
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To: Black_Shark

Understood.

Math is my weakness.


39 posted on 04/25/2012 3:05:44 PM PDT by AnTiw1 (If the King is Corrupt, then let Your Revolution be Pure.)
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To: libdestroyer
the worst generation in this country's history was the Baby Boomer generation.

That would be my generation and I agree with you. (With some obvious exceptions like yours truly).

Mainstreaming drugs wrecked this generation like a nuclear bomb.

As you say, with that considered its amazing subsequent generations have come out as well as they did.

I still maintain my original point, which I have made on other occasions in more detail. You can't win the war of ideas when you abdicate the logistics of that war, when you abdicate the very field where the battle takes place. That would be (1) schools and universities, (2) news media, (3) entertainment media. All of these are mostly in the hands of our ideological opposites.

Conservatives are the true independent thinkers of whatever generation. They (we) are the real counterculture. But we do need to understand the cost of abdicating the field of battle and work to establish our own media, and take control of the education of our kids. What you may have understood as an "agist" slam was just me beating my favorite drum; to win the war of ideas we have to engage on those three levels. Schools, news media, entertainment media. Build our own if the originals are too far gone.

40 posted on 04/25/2012 3:29:11 PM PDT by marron
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To: libdestroyer

Are you saying that your parents were “burned out hippies”?


41 posted on 04/25/2012 3:39:13 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Black_Shark

I didn’t say that. I am, though, suspicious of anyone who promotes only one way to salvation in the world of work. There are those—and you are one of them—who accent but one way to fame and riches. Many of them tend to be oriented toward engineering (hell, they seem to worship the discipline to the exclusion of all others).

Fine, if you think that mathematics is the One True Path, well, that tells me that you are young and very inexperienced.

P.S. There are hordes of people working on the floor at Wall Street and other trading exchanges who are liberal arts graduates making bundles of money and they probably would look quizzically at you if you mentioned differential equations.


42 posted on 04/25/2012 5:27:23 PM PDT by OldPossum
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To: OldPossum

Don’t assume what I say are my own thoughts on the matter. I try to defer to the wise among us and the wise ain’t the young.

The wise have told me to learn as much math as I can therefore I listen. At least I have a marketable skill and not some “creative writing” degree.


43 posted on 04/25/2012 7:05:03 PM PDT by Black_Shark ( Who)
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To: Lou L

That and neck tatoos.


44 posted on 04/25/2012 9:01:44 PM PDT by Crucial
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To: trisham

That the exact opposite of what I’m saying. My parents weren’t a part of that selfish culture and bred well-adjusted conservative children. Liberalism is a sickness that’s affected generations far earlier than my own.


45 posted on 04/26/2012 5:20:06 AM PDT by libdestroyer
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To: marron

Agreed. I also want to point out that (while I can’t stand him) Obama actively went after the youth vote. The Republican party has been pathetic in regards to reaching out to my age group. Fortunately the new media has picked up the slack somewhat...

I won’t disagree that many in my generation are idealistic and misinformed/uninformed, but that’s not a characteristic unique to the Millenium Generation.


46 posted on 04/26/2012 5:25:11 AM PDT by libdestroyer
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