Skip to comments.Cold Fusion in Italian High School
Posted on 04/28/2012 9:44:57 PM PDT by Kevmo
Cold Fusion in Italian High School
April 23, 2012
A new and very interesting report is coming again out of Italy. The Repubblica Roma web site is reporting about a project carried out by teachers and students at the Leopoldo Pirelli industrial high school in Rome in which students have built cold fusion cells which according to one of the instructors involved have achieved excess heat levels of 400 per cent. A slide show of the devices can be seen here.
Following this report, one of the instructors involved with the project, Ugo Abundo, emailed Daniele Passerini of the 22passi blog and provided more information. Abundo said that the cells used free nanopowders in the cathode which they have patented. Abundo says that in a few days video and technical details will be made available (presumably online). It also appears that Passerini will be working to help publicize the project.
LENR is definitely not a heat pump. COP is general term used in physics to measure the efficiency of an energy conversion process (as in a heat pump). It’s the ratio of input energy to output energy.
As LENR/Cold Fusion etc being a scam. It’s possible. I used to think it was, but I’ve read just about every single piece of data for the last 4 or so years. I think it’s the real deal. For it to be a scam, 100’s of people would have to be in on it now, going all the way back to Pons and Fleishman. With so many people in on it, and based on what I’ve read, I’m inclined to say something is there. Time will tell.
Or, some exothermic change of state of the powdered nickel or other things that are added to the powdered nickel. If nuclear level things are going on, a chemical analysis before and after the reactor has reacted should show the presence of elements afterwards that were not there before (and which didn’t come from the water charge either).
It would be very illuminating to get one of these into the hands of a really competent chemistry lab. Surely someone in mainstream chemistry could make this the subject of a PhD level study?
Reading through that mess, I saw no mention of the identities of any of the chemicals involved. The closest it came was to mention some kind of "mud" that apparently is prone to very exothermic reactions if exposed to air. As I see it, that highly reactive "mud" is sufficient to account for any rise in temperature occurring during that experiment. The energy output of chemical reactions can be incredibly high... explosives are a good example. I know that the "mud" cannot be nickel; to my knowledge, nickel does not react strongly upon contact with air.
The reaction 58Ni + p → 59Cu is a little unlikely; the Coulomb forces required to shove that proton into the nucleus are so high that, as I saw one physicist explain it, that much energy does not exist in the entire universe. If you want to transmute nickel to copper, I think the approach would be to shove a neutron into the nucleus, and wait for a beta decay. It would be quite a wait; the half-life of 59Ni is 75,000 years, and the decay product (from a positive beta emission) is 59Co, not copper.
The standard hot physics refrain, yet always made without examining the evidence.
The researchers I post review articles for are (or were, since many of them have retired) eminently qualified scientists. Storms had a successful career at Los Alamos National Labs, retired from there, and became a "hobby scientist" with his own lab. Hagelstein came out of Lawrence Livermore National Labs, and is now tenured faculty at MIT. Bockris is a scientist of impeccable credentials, with many hundreds of peer reviewed research articles, book authorships, and national and international science awards.
Add to that that I have followed up many of their referenced articles, and, based on forty years of experience, see that those articles follow the accepted rules of "good science". Having written similar articles myself and done "peer review" on other such articles, I think I know good science when I see it. The "hype and scams" you refer to do not exist. The SINGLE proven instance of fraud that exists in the field of cold fusion was perpetrated by the "hot physicists" at MIT.
Simply put, you are a liar, propagandist, intellectually dishonest, and lacking in science ethics. Although given other evidence, perhaps your ethical practices reflect the "new" science ethics practiced with such gusto by the "global warmers" ("scamming" the peer review process, denial of tenure, attempting to get researchers who don't agree with them fired). Unsurprisingly, the practitioners of this "new science ethics" are largely physicists.
I thought nickel was on the wrong side of the curve of binding energy. When did that change?
I can only find references to COP being used as a measure for heat pump efficiency. It's use for LENR appears to be a misapplication, intended to spread manure.
For it to be a scam, 100s of people would have to be in on it now, going all the way back to Pons and Fleishman.
If you want to play the numbers game, there are far more people in the scientific community who say it's a scam, including the USPTO.
All you have is appeals to (questionable) authority, personal attacks, and “Warthog says.” When it comes to putting up quality information, you have nothing.
Yes it will. Many are now looking into it, including CERN, NASA, and MIT. We will all know pretty soon whether this is a revolutionary breakthrough. I think it is.
Why? Because fusing nickel into copper is exothermic?
LOL. What "quality information" have YOU ever provided on ANY of these threads?? None. I know you're a liar because I have followed up on enough CF papers to know that your claim "99% of CF is hype and scams" is a flat-out lie. I don't claim (as one of your other hot physics compadres did) to have read everything published on cold fusion (another obvious lie), but I've read enough to constitute a pretty good random sample, and I have yet to find ONE paper that smacks of "hype".
Your entire history of posting on CF threads has been one constant attack. Dealing with you is like dealing with what sticks to the bottom of ones shoes after a walk in an "off-leash" dog park, annoying, smelly, and difficult to remove.
We will all know pretty soon whether this is a revolutionary breakthrough. I think it is.
Why? Because fusing nickel into copper is exothermic?++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Yes! That’s exactly why. It’s nearly free energy. It has the benefits of existing nuclear energy systems with none of the negatives. Cold fusion requires no radioactive fuel or byproducts, no storage problems, no containment, and uses cheap fuel.
I know it sounds crazy, but if CF/LENR/E-Cat works (and I’m thinking it will), it will pretty much solve the world’s energy problem. It’s THAT big. ;))
Skeptics abound that don’t know much about Cold Fusion. They should watch this video or Professor Brian Josephson , Nobel Prize winning and professor of physics at Cambridge University.
They were fusing D, which is exothermic.
I’m very familiar with that graph. I mean “Free energy” as in very cheap to produce. ;))
This is a totally new “science.” I don’t claim to fully know what’s going on. No one does! What “we” do know is that different combinations of Hydrogen and Nickel are yielding large amounts of energy, transmutation into Copper, and disputed amounts of Beta decay.
While I find it worthwhile to shoot down your nonsense, it's not worthwhile to spend much time doing it, or to trust your bad judgment and follow your links to Ecat blogs, or other compilations of cold fusion fan boy material.
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.