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Posted on 04/28/2012 9:44:57 PM PDT by Kevmo
Cold Fusion in Italian High School
April 23, 2012
A new and very interesting report is coming again out of Italy. The Repubblica Roma web site is reporting about a project carried out by teachers and students at the Leopoldo Pirelli industrial high school in Rome in which students have built cold fusion cells which according to one of the instructors involved have achieved excess heat levels of 400 per cent. A slide show of the devices can be seen here.
Following this report, one of the instructors involved with the project, Ugo Abundo, emailed Daniele Passerini of the 22passi blog and provided more information. Abundo said that the cells used free nanopowders in the cathode which they have patented. Abundo says that in a few days video and technical details will be made available (presumably online). It also appears that Passerini will be working to help publicize the project.
Why? Because fusing nickel into copper is exothermic?
LOL. What "quality information" have YOU ever provided on ANY of these threads?? None. I know you're a liar because I have followed up on enough CF papers to know that your claim "99% of CF is hype and scams" is a flat-out lie. I don't claim (as one of your other hot physics compadres did) to have read everything published on cold fusion (another obvious lie), but I've read enough to constitute a pretty good random sample, and I have yet to find ONE paper that smacks of "hype".
Your entire history of posting on CF threads has been one constant attack. Dealing with you is like dealing with what sticks to the bottom of ones shoes after a walk in an "off-leash" dog park, annoying, smelly, and difficult to remove.
We will all know pretty soon whether this is a revolutionary breakthrough. I think it is.
Why? Because fusing nickel into copper is exothermic?++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Yes! That’s exactly why. It’s nearly free energy. It has the benefits of existing nuclear energy systems with none of the negatives. Cold fusion requires no radioactive fuel or byproducts, no storage problems, no containment, and uses cheap fuel.
I know it sounds crazy, but if CF/LENR/E-Cat works (and I’m thinking it will), it will pretty much solve the world’s energy problem. It’s THAT big. ;))
Skeptics abound that don’t know much about Cold Fusion. They should watch this video or Professor Brian Josephson , Nobel Prize winning and professor of physics at Cambridge University.
They were fusing D, which is exothermic.
I’m very familiar with that graph. I mean “Free energy” as in very cheap to produce. ;))
This is a totally new “science.” I don’t claim to fully know what’s going on. No one does! What “we” do know is that different combinations of Hydrogen and Nickel are yielding large amounts of energy, transmutation into Copper, and disputed amounts of Beta decay.
While I find it worthwhile to shoot down your nonsense, it's not worthwhile to spend much time doing it, or to trust your bad judgment and follow your links to Ecat blogs, or other compilations of cold fusion fan boy material.
You’re twisting what I said, which was, “It does violate known properties of nuclear physics. That’s partly why Pons and Fleishmann were “laughed off the stage” in 1989. Plus, the big money is in hot fusion. That doesn’t make it a fraud, hoax, or wrong.”
My comment had nothing to do with fusing D, unless you’re a skeptic with the goal of causing mischief. I don’t have time for that. Bye
If hydrogen could fuse with nickel, why doesn't this reaction take place in the Sun?
The fusion of D + D yielding energy does not violate any laws of physics. Fusing elements heavier than iron to yield energy does, at least the last time I checked.
Looks like I called it right. You like to misquote/misinterpret and cause mischief. The “it” and what “violates known laws of nuclear physics” that I referred to in my comment was/is LENR/Cold Fusion, not Deuterium.
Like I said, I don’t have time or interest for your games. Bye
Because our sun is to small and cold. Fusion of elements heavier than Iron only occur in supernovas (and possibly E-Cat processes).
Sure, an Ecat that can barely boil a pot of tea after being hooked up to electrical mains is equivalent to a supernova.
That’s funny! Run away.
That's because it's exothermic.
Laughing too hard. Still.
Agreed. That (new elements present) would be absolute proof of a LENR. As I said, we’ll soon have independent verification either way. And if it is LENR, the world just changed...
Several of us have been round & round with these hyper-sneering skeptics on FR. They don’t contribute much to the discussion.
I've actually been following the Rossi saga for quite a while, so I do know what the cold fusion claims are all about. I based what I said only on the text contained above, and made no assumptions that were not explicitly stated in that text. That "mud" described up there does not behave chemically like nickel; its behavior suggests to me that it may be powdered magnesium (but I do not know for sure).
Of course it violates the *known* properties of the Coulomb barrier. There are some other explanations as well, such as "widom-larsen." . Since no one knows yet, I can't tell you which it is, but as far as your physicist's "energy in the known universe" comment, someone should tell that to all the hot fusion scientists out there, because they could save a lot of money by NOT building billion dollar tokamaks. lol . . . . It happens in every star, so it clearly can happen. The question is, "at what minimum energy level."
I doubt, at this point, that there are "properties" of the Coulomb barrier waiting to be found. In any case, the nuclear fusion process that occurs in stars, and which engineers are attempting to contain within tokamak reactors, occurs strictly among small atoms such as hydrogen (one proton) and helium (two protons). This is documented to occur only in high energy (high temperature) environments. The larger the atom is, the more energy it takes to shove a proton past the Coulomb barrier--hence the comment that there isn't enough energy in the universe to shove a proton past the Coulomb energy barrier of nickel with its 28 protons. As for Widom-Larson, I wasn't able to find anything in the scientific literature about it. And what I found did not look scientific. I'll look for more on that later.
Fortunately, the accepted status is changing, despite all you tokamak fanboys can do to keep it suppressed. I suspect that even the Patent Office will come around.
"You've done nothing to change that.
With you, of course not. I realize that NO information I might come up with would change your opinion. Which is why I don't bother (anymore). I made one attempt to get you to lay out what you considered acceptable proof, and all you could come up with as "acceptable" was a non-peer reviewed internal report from a government lab. And you were unable or unwilling to even say why that report was convincing.
"Your claims of winning awards, professional accomplishments, and other forms of self puffery do nothing to change the image you've built with your delusional posts about cold fusion".
LOL. One of my more recent inventions is gracing the cover of one of the more prestigious PEER REVIEWED journals in my field of endeavor next month.
It ain't puffery if it's true.
"Never in all my years on FR have I seen such a braggart who can't back it up with any quality in his posts.
Look in a mirror. The quality of my posts is at least 100X yours.
"The only FReeper who makes you look normal by comparison is Kevmo."
Thanks for the compliment.
"While I find it worthwhile to shoot down your nonsense, it's not worthwhile to spend much time doing it, or to trust your bad judgment and follow your links to Ecat blogs, or other compilations of cold fusion fan boy material.
IOW, you refuse to examine the evidence. Keep those fingers in your ears, old boy......then you'll never hear anything that displeases you.
Without proof, it's just more "Warthog says."
You and Kevmo do more to expose cold fusion for the fraud it is than I could ever hope to do.
Let’s get some independent chemistry labs doing this in their test tubes, beakers, or flasks. When real science comes across a new intriguing phenomenon, it isn’t left to redneck laboratories.
Seems really weird that an eCat can do something the sun can’t. Science is of course begging to know the reason why. You just don’t get effects on nuclei from things going on in the atoms’ electron clouds. The two are different worlds and the twain don’t meet (except that nuclei can sometimes grab electrons from inner orbitals resulting in spectacular X rays). How are nuclei built? Are they just little balls of nuclonium or something that can have its own hairy, nonspherical characteristic? Trying to solve eCat might shed a lot of light on that.
My sympathy. It’s rather like “reasoning” with a 5 year old. I can only imagine it’s been like that for all scientists investigating revolutionary concepts. “You can’t do that.” “That’s impossible.” “That will never work.” They should tell that to Galileo, the Wright brothers, and Einstein. lol
Hopefully it will work out. If not, that will point in new directions.
Seems really weird that an eCat can do something the sun cant.
I agree. I’d say it’s right up there on the “weirdness scale” with superconduction, quantum uncertainty, and general relativity time dilation.
They should tell that to Galileo, the Wright brothers, and Einstein. lol
Or Lamarck, Lysenko and Velikovsky. LOL!
That’s because it’s exothermic endothermic.
Laughing too hard. Still.
Seems like you’re laughing about making a fool of yourself. Do you know anything about this or just love playing games? Did you do the math? Or do you just like to heckle posters?
Ni62 has the same binding energy as Fe. So everything “lighter” (such as Ni58) is theoretically usable for exothermic fusion reactions.
My calculation for Ni58 + H to Cu59 results in a mass defect (excess mass) of .003784879 and is therefor exothermic.
If true, then why are you on every thread, working your little heart out to promulgate the "holy position of the tokamak fanboys"?
But I learned an interesting thing yesterday. I was doing a search on cold fusion, specifically to get the latest info on George Miley and his results, when I happened to hit another discussion forum with a CF thread. The major "anti" poster (calling himself "johndoe") used EXACTLY the same tactics, talking points, and attitude that you have here. So either that was you under another name, or you guys work from a script. I wonder who wrote the script.
How many more "independent chemistry labs" do you want to work on it?? Storm's book lists FOUR THOUSAND research papers related to various aspects of cold fusion from labs all over the world. Even if Sturgeon's Law applies, that is still four hundred legitimate confirmations.
I’ll add paranoid to your long list of character traits, like conspiracy theorist, braggart, prevaricator, conceited, and gullible.
The applicable law in this case would be Barnum's.
Yup. Tactics identical to "johndoe". Same script. The similarities are truly enlightening.
You got me. I’m part of a vast conspiracy against the gullible.
When cold fusion is a graded, required laboratory exercise for graduate students in chemistry, let me know....
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